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snowrassa · 8 months

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currently finding elements of circular storytelling in the media I'm into right now

#this post is made primarily for myself #i'm pushing it by putting camelot and gatsby in here but theyre important to me #so #my edit #web weaving #web weave #camelot #camelot musical #ghost quartet #the great gatsby #f scott fitzgerald #hadestown #toafk #the once and future king #t h white

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igniferrus · 30 days

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My best friend and I are doing a book club of The Once and Future King, just the two of us. Well, today we finished The Sword in the Stone, and I, like always, cried like a baby alongside the Wart when Ector and Kay knelt down before him.

#toafk #sword in the stone #arthur pendragon #king arthur #oh to be 8 and stupid again and read it for the first time and literally not know it's about King Arthur until the last word #that was a gut-punch #I still cry every time but it will never be Like That again.#The Wart is my Son and Boy #and I hate that he now has to face his “glorious doom”

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leorizanzel · 9 months

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I've been hand-wringing over the decision to up the rating of my current WIP and adding Spicier Content to it now that the slow burn's finally come to a conclusion. I think it would work tonally for the piece, but I worry that the people reading it would hate it - some people really enjoy reading less mature works and seek that content out. Would it be a bad thing to switch things up?

Then I remembered that like, ten people tops read this story so y'know. Fuck it, we ball.

#and I appreciate all ten of you <3 #TOAFK

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queer-ragnelle · 6 months

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I’m asking specifically so I know how to mark it on the arthurian retelling flowchart.

#arthurian legend #arthurian legends #arthuriana #the once and future king #toafk #t. h. white #t h white #sir lancelot #lancelot #queer #lgbt #lgbtq #lgbtqia #my post #polls

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badsalmonella · 15 days

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I love the “Camelot” film - mainly because it’s the only film that will probably exist of “TOAFK” (including “Sword in the Stone”) and I think Richard Harris gives the best performance of his career as King Arthur but that said I think it’s flawed (not bad) and that’s because it’s either too long or too badly paced - I can’t decide which.. “My Fair Lady” has similar running time but nobody ever complains about the length. So it’s probably badly paced than actually too long

I actually hard agree! Even though my feelings are mostly positive on the movie I find when the credits start rolling I'm a bit exhausted from the movie. Like I can FEEEELLL I've been sitting for a long time. I've always wondered if they did another round of edits of the film to trim some minor stuff it'd probably fix the pacing. (An example of what I mean is like before Arthur gives his monologue I think they include almost a minute of him walking through the castle and it doesn't have to be that long to visually get the idea across that's he's left the party to be alone and idk it may seem small but when the movie keeps making choices like that I think that's what makes the viewer feel the length of the movie by the end of it. It stacks up).

Actually while we're comparing and contrasting stuff I've always wanted to say I actually felt that's one of the positives of the modern rewrite was the fast pace of the writing alleviates some of the pacing issues that plagues the show, BUT THEY RUN INTO THE PROBLEM where they don't know how to slow down on those really important parts. When I watch the revival I find myself yearning for the patience of the movie's Lancelot resurrection scene siiigh~~ 😔 one can be too slow, one can be too fast but perhaps the perfect in between will come to us one day. A girl can dream!

Also gonna throw in your other ask just to cut down on my postings

ANOTHER HAAAARDDD AGREEE!!!

I saw the 80's stage production first so I was like "I don't think I like him :/ he's clearly a good actor just not a fan of his interpretation" but then I saw the MOVIEEEE AND it was like 😁RICHARD HARRIS! I HAVE NEVER SAID ANYTHING BAD ABOUT YOUR KING ARTHUR EVER!! 🫶🏼🫶🏼🫶🏼 Seriously he's can be fun, he can be warm, he can turn on that !!KING!! presence when he needs to it's awesome. I think with the stage production it's probably just a case of him aging out of the role a bit, but Richard Harris clearly likes playing King Arthur so nobody was gonna tell him that.

#side note: Richard Harris REALLLLYYYY likes playing King Arthur #some of those stories abt him trying to get the role are WILD #Ask #randomnessoffiction #camelot musical #other side note: I would honestly LOVE a mini series that wants to take a true stab at adapting TOAFK #it's not really the same but the BBC did a great radio play adaption of the book would HIGHLY rec it!

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alkalinefrog · 9 months

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Wahhh thank you for the tags @seafoamdew and @vindikaetion!! You guys are so lovely!

People You’d Like to Know Better Tag Game

Last Song: Hoppípolla by Sigur Rós | Gearing up to see them in concert with @twiafom by listening to the set list!! Oh my god I'm so stoked you have no idea, they've been one of my all-time favourite bands for 10+ years, and they're performing SO MANY of my favourite songs with a full orchestra AND debuting a new album!!! I've looked up English translations of all the Icelandic lyrics so I can know what they're saying the whole time, but their new album is too new so there's no reliable translation for the four songs they're performing off of it out there rn :''''D a friend of a friend might get back to me with help with that but if any of you guys happen to know Icelandic...

(the rest of this will be short after that huge opener lmao)

Currently watching: Bungou Stray Dogs bc of @twiafom (lol) and everything Arthuriana-related with @bignostalgias!

Currently reading: The Once and Future King by T.H. White | I'm on book 4/4 and my review of the others: The Sword in the Stone - 10000/10; The Queen of Air and Darkness - 6.5/10; The Ill-Made Knight---made ME ill, 2/10 because the intro and end were really good

Current obsession: researching for my cringe hijack arthuriana au fic accidentally got me hooked on Arthurian Legend, see above examples

Not sure who's been tagged already but throwin' it over to you guys! (no pressure to of course!) @jjackfrost @sboochi @santathegrey @midoristeashop

#back after handling some life stuff! takin' it slow!#@twia it's so funny that u ship me x long distance and quiet when im flying across the continent and going to a loudass concert with u #u're so silly #fuck u too #tag game #TH White I'm mugging you in an alley for the TOAFK copyrights so I can blackout all your rancid vibes in the latter books #EDIT: I FORGOT TO SAY come say hi Kae I don't bite!!

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chimaerakitten · 1 year

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TH White: I don’t think it’s possible to romantically love two people at the same time

Also TH White: [proceeds to write a Lancelot/Guinevere/Arthur trio with polyamory levels second only to the gay space cowboy versions]

#even the QUEER RETELLINGS ANTHOLOGY had less polyamory than TOAFK #as in it didn’t have any polyamory because everyone but the BBC Merlin fanfic with the serial numbers filed off avoided Queer Arthur #Arthur project

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chevaliermalfets · 2 months

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Hello, I am already in love with with Morgan. I'd love to hear more about her, or know where I could read her story?

Also. In a world where men get their heads cut off and are fine, or grow to be as tall as trees, or hold their breath for nine days, I think we deserve some Mary Sue girlies. As a treat. :)

hiiii I haven't written anything for her (or arthuriana in general) but I have many thoughts that I'll put under a readmore

also you're SO right we do deserve some mary sue girlies. as a treat!!

some jumbled thoughts about morgan:

first off im the world's #1 supporter of arthur/guinevere/lancelot polyamory and also of playing with lancelot's gender, so in my version, lancelot is afab (possibly transmasc or nonbinary, I haven't fully decided) but presents as male so only a few people (arthur, guinevere, the lady of the lake (who raised him, let him dress masc and get trained as a knight, etc), maybe one or two others) know that he's not a cis man. also while arthur/guinevere/lancelot is very much a thing, they have to keep it secret, and there's still rumors that lancelot is sleeping with the queen (he is. he's also sleeping with the king. usually at the same time).

so at one point lancelot gets pregnant with arthur's child and they have problems because:

they can't exactly announce that their best knight is going on maternity leave

they want to acknowledge the baby as one of arthur's children

so the solution is to send lancelot "on a quest" where he just goes back to....the lady of the lake?? probably?? and chills with her for a while until he has baby morgan and he then secretly sends her to camelot

at the same time, guinevere fakes a pregnancy, and there's a bunch of rumors that lancelot is the father because of his conveniently timed "quest"

so when baby morgan arrives, arthur announces the baby to the court and the nobles/castle staff/etc are all clambering to see the baby to figure out if lancelot is the father. they all take one look and are like "oh. that's definitely arthur's child" (either through facial features, or im also thinking arthur and morgan have darker skin while both guinevere and lancelot have lighter skin) and some of them are a bit disappointed because they wanted to keep spreading rumors

morgan grows up in the castle and is friends with other nobles' kids, and she's jealous when the boys her age start to get knight training, so she watches the training from her window and tries to teach herself. when she's like 10, one of her friends' (still working on a name, calling her V for now) father (a knight?) dies (V's mother also died several years prior) and she's left destitute, but morgan sneaks her into the castle and hides her in her room and sneaks her food. (morgan's nanny catches on pretty quickly but doesn't say anything, she just makes sure there's always extra food left out in the room and plenty of clothes and toys)

by the time she's like 12, mordred can very clearly tell that his little sister is arthur's favorite and could pose a threat to his guaranteed succession to the throne, so he tries to kill her (poison?? maybe with the help of morgana or morgause?? or an "accident" when she's horseback riding??) and she's very sick for a few weeks. arthur strongly suspects it was mordred, but he doesn't have any evidence so he can't do anything about it.

to keep her safe, arthur decides to send her to a convent. she's upset about this and throws a fit because she doesn't realize she was poisoned, she just thinks she's being punished. she also realizes that she can't keep taking care of V if she's not living in the castle, so they hatch a Scheme™

when the knights come to escort morgan to the convent, she comes out of her room all ready to go with her hood pulled over her face and she's acting very pouty. the knights are all like "ugh why did we have to get stuck escorting the bratty princess" so they don't interact with her much, they just try to get this over with as soon as possible. they take her to the convent and introduce her to the nuns and get out of there. the nuns have never seen the princess so they don't realize that they're raising V instead of morgan

meanwhile morgan runs away, disguised as a boy, and starts training to be a knight for several years (possibly with the help of the lady of the lake)

after four years or so, arthur and guinevere send for morgan to come back to camelot to have a role in the court. when V shows up pretending to be morgan, no one knows the difference because they haven't seen her in four years and she looks close enough. V continues to live at court for several years doing princess things

eventually, lancelot and guinevere get caught, lancelot escapes, and guinevere is sentenced to be burnt at the stake. mordred knows lancelot is going to mount a rescue, so he plants a trap on the outskirts of camelot and captures him. being the dramatic Bitch™ that he is, he waits until the last minute (when they're leading guinevere to the stake) to tell arthur.

(I have this scene so clearly in my head. arthur is staring out the window at guinevere, he doesn't even turn when the big doors slam open, only looks when mordred begins speaking to him and tells him he has good news. his goons lead in a chained up knight with a bag over his head and force him onto his knees, then mordred says something like "I have captured the traitor knight" and pulls the bag off lancelot's head. lancelot and arthur lock eyes and lancelot is very clearly apologizing for failing while arthur just looks heartbroken, because not only does he have to watch guinevere burn now with no hope of her being rescued, but he'll also have to sentence the man he loves to death as well. arthur's forced to let the execution proceed and at the very last moment an army storms the square and a mysterious knight rescues guinevere and rides off with her. arthur and lancelot and relieved but also extremely confused because the knight's insignia is unfamiliar, and they have no idea what he intends to do with guinevere.)

surprise, the mysterious knight is morgan! she sends her army off to keep guinevere safe and goes to camelot under a flag of truce. she gets taken to arthur, but still wearing full armor with her visor down so no one knows who she is. she goes up to mordred and throws her glove down to challenge him to a duel to the death, claiming that he tried to kill her years ago. he doesn't deny it, saying he's tried to kill lots of people. they fight, she wins, while she has her sword to his throat she demands he withdraw the accusations against the queen and lancelot. he does, so she lets him live, but now lancelot and guinevere are free and can return to camelot.

morgan turns to arthur and pledges her loyalty and asks to be a knight of the round table, and he's so grateful that lancelot and guinevere are safe that he accepts. he asks her to stand and asks her name and to remove her helmet. she reveals that she's princess morgan, which V confirms (maybe morgan also shows a distinctive birthmark or something to further prove her identity)

yay! everyone's happy! morgan gets to be a knight and also be princess and also gets gay married to V.

I'm thinking also maybe redemption arc for mordred where he comes around to caring for morgan, maybe throws himself in front of a sword for her and tells her she'll be a good queen or smth as his last words

#these are just thoughts ive had bouncing around my head since i read toafk #i would love to develop her more maybe even write something with her eventually #but for now im just happy to let her run around with a sword #anyway! meet my favorite girl morgan #arthurian ocs #arthuriana #ray.txt #asks #igniferrus

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fecto-forgo · 1 year

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i finished a connecticut yankee in king arthur's court, and iirc you asked me to tell you what happens with agravaine & mordred. they weren't mentioned until near the end but this is basically what happens with them:

agravaine & mordred were affected in a stock crash caused by lancelot. as revenge, they decide to tell king arthur that guinevere has been cheating on him with lancelot. lancelot kills agravaine (among others). arthur tries to have guinevere executed, lancelot intervenes, and a civil war breaks out between arthur & his supporters and lancelot & his supporters. the war was resolved for a short time but sir gawaine restarted it because he was mad about his brothers being killed by lancelot. gawaine got arthur reinvolved in his campaign against lancelot and mordred tried to take the opportunity to become king. arthur & mordred tried to make an agreement that mordred would be arthur's successor, but the meeting ended with them killing each other.

also this civil war results in all of the progress made by the connecticut yankee (hank) being undone, all the main characters either being dead or unhappy, and hank eventually getting back to the 19th century (where he dies too)

ADJSAJDFSADJFJA ITS LITERALLY JUST THE STANDARD LEGEND ENDING BUT CAPITALISTIC.AMAZING.

#ask #still far better than mists of avalon n toafk lol

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mummer · 1 year

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me when i lie

#i love th white because idk if hes making the narrator intentionally unreliable or not #the whole narration schtick in toafk is soooooo crazy i have NOT looked into it enough.....#like the entire ending completely disproves this so i dont think this was white’s actual authorial opinion #but idk he was a complicated guy LOL #Wait. well this quote is in a section that sort of centres around sir ector and HIS thoughts so i feel like it’s possible #that this bit of narration is actually from ector’s perspective? it’s a distant 3rd person with a present narrator #idk if that means that the narrator’s ‘opinion’ moments shift with the character they’re focusing on #or if this is meant to be read simply as an extrapolation of ector’s thoughts #not distant* i meant omniscient i know how pov works it’s just done in a really weird way in this book lol #and the way the narrator refers to you the reader all the time. its so good man #THE ANACHRONISMS!!!!!!! EVERYBODY SAY THANK YOU ANACHRONISMS

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snowrassa · 1 month

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Elements of circular storytelling in 'The Once and Future King' by T.H. White

#this has been in my drafts too long everybody look #toafk #the once and future king #arthuriana #arthurian literature #th white

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pendraegon · 2 years

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i was gonna say imagine if people wrote arthurian novels like the way the i-read-the-odyssey-through-pjo-and-im-writing-about-the-odyssey-in-my-novel author did but they do lol

#every time i see something where a book is like #‘this is based off of toafk’ i die internally.

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povestotrischane · 2 years

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wait holy shit i think i realized why i go so easy on fate's weirdbad adaptational flaws while i drag literally everything else for less..... it's the lack of th white's influence

#like. even when fate and toafk agree on things. they're on complete opposite sides of the same spectrum #romeo.txt

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k1rishiki · 2 years

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how to inform a mutual you don't talk to like ever that they were lied to

#people discourage reading toafk bc it's as bigoted as lovecraft. any other reason is a footnote!!#how could you rec that to someone while acknowledging that a lot of people are vocally opposed to doing so and imply that #it's for any other reason (thus causing the reader to subconsciously dismiss people telling them not to read it) with a clear conscious #esp when it's coming from someone who's been all but disowned by med lit fans for defending toafk as 'objectively good'#romeo.txt

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deep-sea-horror · 2 years

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