#transmascphobia

[sinistersuns]

hey look at this

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#do I like. even need to say anything. #trans #transmasc #I need cis women to stop acting like they’re the only ones who experience gendered oppression #transmascphobia #transandrophobia

[transmascissues]

the cis maternal urge to treat your trans son’s body like an extension of your own body, and to react to said trans son’s physical transition as if they might as well have just started hacking away at your own body with a rusty axe, really is something else.

my mom hasn’t seen my chest post-op at all because the idea of it is so awful to her that the one time we took my bandages off with her present, she ran across the hotel room to hide from it and started crying to my brother about it (yes, with actual tears). she drove an hour and a half with us at 5:30am to my post-op just to sit in the waiting room because she refused to come in and see me after the surgeon took the bandages off. my dad has been the only one helping me with recovery things like changing bandages and monitoring healing because she still won’t look at my chest.

and she says that’s because she loves me and cares about me. love is when you treat the body your child can finally live in comfortably like it’s your worst nightmare. apparently.

#top surgery adventures #transandrophobia #transandromisia #transmisandry #virilmisia #virilphobia #anti transmasculinity #transmascphobia #trans men #transmascs

[transvarmint]

In discussions about transandrophobia, someone who is opposed to the concept will almost inevitably bring up Whipping Girl, or other [trans]feminist texts.

One of the biggest claims about the term transandrophobia, is that its a misuse or misunderstanding of feminist language and/or theory.

What people fail to understand is that the term is not a misunderstanding of feminist theory, it is an intentional critique of it.

Unfortunately, much of feminist theory completely ignores the existence of trans men. When we are acknowledged, we are typically treated as an afterthought. Our oppression is frequently diminished, and we are often treated as "collateral damage" - people are only ever coincidentally harmed in the aftermath of attacks on women. It is almost never recognized that we can be the direct targets of violence.

Our existence and our experience with oppression is treated as an inconvenience, or an exception case - because we challenge the core assumption that men as a class benefit from misogyny more than they are harmed by (i.e., that all men have male privilege).

Many people who are not trans men will make claims about our oppression and experiences, while completely leaving us out of the conversation. The preservation of pre-established academic theory is prioritized over giving us a voice to challenge those preconceptions.

The actual lived experiences of trans men can and should take precedent over currently standing academic frameworks. If trans men's discussions of our lives doesn't fit into feminist theory, than its the theory that should change - not the actual human beings who are speaking up about our experiences.

Feminism, like any other social theory, has always been flawed in some ways, and has historically excluded many oppressed groups. Until eventually members of those groups spoke up, made their voices heard, and didn't stop until those frameworks changed to be inclusive of their experiences.

We are no exception. No matter how uncomfortable it makes you, we are here to challenge people's assumptions about gender-based oppression. We have read the theory people keep citing and we are criticizing it because it leaves us out of the conversation. Telling us over and over that our experiences don't fit those frameworks will not silence us. If our voices don't fit into your understanding of feminism, its time for your understanding to change!

#transandrophobia #transmascphobia

[aintgonnatakethis]

So something I've noticed about the transmascs who argue against the language that has been created to assist us in discussing our oppression or alternatively state that we're not oppressed at all... Well, they're very focused on themselves. Their posts are full of 'I' statements, casting their experience as the universal one.

"I don't think we need more words." "I don't think we're oppressed." "I think the oppression we face is just transphobia." "I think the oppression we face is just misogyny." "I think we all experience male privilege because I pass." "I'm treated better now so what are the rest of you whining about?"

So... what if other people have different needs from you? What if their lived experiences are different? What if they never manage to 'pass'? Are you really going to say with a straight face that because you've made it you're now going to pull the ladder up behind you?

#trans #trans men #trans masc #transmasc #transphobia #transandrophobia #transmascphobia #anti transmasculinity #transmisandry #mine

[t4transsexual]

i think really the reason i have such a strong reaction to people who claim that they "hate men including trans men" is that pretty much all of them still have cis men in their lives. like they have cis male friends or cis male family they still positively associate with and cis male colleagues or theyre dating cis men but they DO NOT associate with trans men, theres not a single transmasc person in their circle or who feels comfortable with them because its obvious that they hold trans men to a higher standard than cis men, and its just like. youre not a misandrist at that point. youre just transphobic. like maybe youre not transmisogynistic and youre "just transmascphobic" but youre still transphobic and the lengths youre willing to go to accommodate the cis men in your life while accusing trans men of transitioning to get privilege over women and being "gender traitors" is disturbing

#also i dont respect the man hating of a woman who dates cis men btw #like if u 'hate all men' #and pull 'gender traitor' terf bullshit to trans men #and then to really drive that point home #you get on your knees to suck a mans dick #like ur not a 'based misandrist femcel' ur a transphobe #trans #transmasc #trans man #transmascphobia

[clem-mp3]

the transandrophobia/transmascphobia discussion would be a lot easier if people could think for a moment that androphobia does not strictly mean the oppression of men and could instead mean the prejudice of men. it’s such a simple concept but so many people are scared to dive into it because of MRA’s but that’s exactly the problem. stereotyping groups is always an issue but especially when it is causing you to think so shallowly about issues that directly affect you. the prejudice of men is such an important conversation when talking about (specifically binary) transphobia and how it affects how trans people are seen / treated, especially in the case of trans men being invisible and trans women being hypervisible. i think the core of binary transphobia for a lot of people boils down to bioessentalism, where trans men are women that need to be protected and trans women are evil men (in the eyes of transphobes). trans women are constantly being called out for any small sign of “aggression” while many trans men aren’t seen as “real men” until they show some sign of “aggression” / the idea that trans men are all aggressive after transitioning. (think of the rumor that testosterone makes you more angry.) this stems from the bioessentialist and MISANDRIST idea that men are naturally aggressive or cruel, instead of seeing aggression as an environmental or situational or etc etc response. this also really affects how mental health is treated and viewed, and can tie into discussions about ableism as well.

if we want to really think deep and have important discussions about transphobia, amongst other forms of oppression and prejudice, we have to be open to the idea that misandry / androphobia can and does exist as a redefined concept.

*many of these ideas are talking about afab trans men and amab trans women, but i recognize that for people outside of these specific labels that transphobia and bioessentialism can look very different. this was also not an attempt to misgender trans women or trans men by either means, but rather to talk about very specific forms of transphobia

#transandrophobia #transmascphobia #transmisogyny #misandry

[hadeantaiga]

So here's the thing:

Transmacs do not need fucking permission from non-transmascs to coin a word.

This is not a committee decision with the people who hate us.

It doesn't actually matter what word we use because the people who hate us don't believe we're oppressed in the first place and therefore don't "deserve" a word in the first place.

Fuck you.

I'm sticking with transandrophobia. But if I see someone using transmisandry, that's ok too. So is anti-transmasculism. And transmascphobia. THEY'RE ALL FINE. They've been fine the whole time.

Don't let people who hate you decide the language you use, because they'd prefer you use NO words.

#transandrophobia #transmascphobia #anti-transmasculinity #transmiandry

[punkeropercyjackson]

Fandoms when you headcanon a canon male character as transmasc and call him 'a malewife/babygirl-coded/a man eldest daughter syndrome/etc',make him be abused by other male characters as 'dark content' and genuinely ship him with the ones who canonically treat him like shit,are too old for him or often even both:😁😁😁😉😉😉🥰🥰🥰😍😍😍😌😌😌🥺🥺🥺

Fandoms when you headcanon a canon male character as a trans woman egg and write her as going through realistic transfem experiences and her transfeminism respectfully,potray her as happier than ever because of finally being allowed to be her true self and ship her with her male friends and/or canon female love interests as wholesome but still interesting relathionships:🤔🤔🤔🤨🤨🤨😐😐😐😒😒😒🙄🙄🙄😵😵😵

#call me crazy but i don't think having egg headcanons for male characters is more problematic than trans men being misgendered and abused #maybe i'm just a faggot with self-worth though idk #transmascphobia #transmisogyny #transmasc #transfem #trans men #trans women #dipper pines #percy jackson #izuku midoriya #dick grayson #dipcifica #antibilldip #cartercy #jercy #margercy #perachel #preyna #antilukercy #anti percy x gods #kirimido #shinmido #izuocha #antibakudeku #antisladick #dickroy #dickkory #💌 #summerposting

[jasontoddssuper]

Sure you say you want to date a punk guy and are always talking about how hot and boyfriend/husband material we are.But would you date a black punk man without being weird about his race or an autistic punk dude without putting him down.Are you including fat and/or physically disabled punks when you talk like that.Do you think you could be a good partner to those of us who're trans,be we femme or butch or inbetween or something else entierly.Are you nice to kids and older folks.Do you want to do activism and fight corruption with us.Would you actually enjoy even just participating in the more lighthearted and 'fun' parts of our culture with us like our music and fashion and inside jokes.You wanna date a punk guy or you want a d*ddy d*m who looks edgy and calls himself a revolutionary with no basis?

#rhetorical question bee tee dubs i and everyone's whole family know the awnser is no.you aren't into us for what we actually are #and it's deeply embarrasing for you because you always not only downgrade us but actively make people misenterpret our history and lives #i'm NEVER going to be nice over it.i'm a black bigender and genderfluid transmasc who's super femme and autistic and THAT'S why i went punk #so it's fucking infuriating to see cisgirls and a lot of the time other gay guys pulling this shit.know your place which is far away from us #punk #pastel punk #< is what i am #genderpunk #punk culture #punk community #black punk #latino punk #trans punk #autipunk #antiblackness cw #ableism #fatphobia #transmisogyny #transmascphobia #exorsexism #summercore #traumapunk #ghostpunk #punkin #💌 #i'm black tag #autistic girl summer #my mutuals can guess this but this was brought on by how fandoms treat jason todd and percy jackson and hobie brown and dabi todoroki #just in case you want context #letters from summer

[lockandkeyhyena]

i think there’s an interesting discussion to be had about how white able bodied straight gender conforming trans men (notice how many caveats i had to add to that) benefit from male privilege, but i feel like a lot of the discussion regarding trans men’s oppression or “lack’” thereof ignores the fact that while passing trans men experience male privilege in day to day life, there’s a systemic bias against us that stems from misogyny and transphobia directed specifically against trans men.

we aren’t viewed strictly as women, but we’re not viewed as men either (in the general societal view, not the day to day interactions). we’re viewed as failed women or ‘things’ and degendered entirely, an experience that a lot of queer people face.

i’m apprehensive about the term ‘transandrophobia’ because while our oppression is intrinsically tied to our manhood, it’s not experienced in the same way transmisogyny is. i don’t think it has to be to warrant its own term but people may misunderstand it as the ‘guy form of transmisogyny’ rather than the unique experience it is itself.

idk. just rambling thoughts on trans men and our oppression. its a really interesting topic to think about with how our manhood intersects with our oppression, given that manhood is usually thought as a privileged class, but in trans men specifically’s case, i think its more complicated.

this is far far far from all my thoughts on the topic, and if anyone has their own feel free to chime in! its something im very passionate about and a topic i find fascinating.

#yeen rambles #transphobia #transmascphobia

[sinistersuns]

its so fucking frustrating to have grown up experiencing misogynistic abuse—including emotional abuse, verbal abuse (which was sexual), and a grooming attempt—from cis men, and now being told “uhhh lol no you don’t understand Women’s Struggles TM because you’re an evil dirty MAN.” like okay i guess the 11 y/o girl seeing porn maliciously drawn of their persona and pregnancy “jokes” thrown at them and having all of the above things done by cis boys/men who were at MINIMUM 5 yrs older than them just doesn’t fucking exist! and while that’s the worst of it that’s not even fucking all.

#i’m so fucking heated my gods #i’m tired of people who aren’t transmasc thinking we’ve never experienced hardship Ever #transmasc #transmasculine #transmascphobia #transandrophobia #yeah fuck it i’m posting in that tag now who gives a shit #trans #trans men #transgender #honestly i meet these kinds of ppl equally online and offline so like. can’t just ignore it anymore #tw abuse

[transmascissues]

pinnochio! 🫵🤣 you will never be a real boy!

i mean pinnochio did become a real boy. that was a pretty significant part of the story. i understand that you’re just being transphobic but pinnochio did very much become a real boy.

#this is so silly to me on so many levels. like how did you expect me to be genuinely hurt by this #anon hate #examples of transandrophobia #transandrophobia #transandromisia #transmisandry #virilmisia #virilphobia #anti transmasculinity #transmascphobia

[blogforpolls]

#poll #polls #transandrophobia #transmascphobia #transmisogny #transgynephobia #transphobia #transmisandry #feminism

[transvarmint]

On Transandrophobia and Related Issues

How we define Transandrophobia:

Transandrophobia describes the intersection of transphobia, misogyny, and the marginalization of non-hegemonic masculinity & manhood (that is primarily targeted at transmasculine individuals).

Anyone, regardless of birth assignment, gender identity, gender presentation, etc, can experience transandrophobia at any point. However, it is primarily targeted as transmasculine people and adjacent groups.

Similarly, transmisogyny is the intersection of transphobia and misogyny that is primarily targeted at transfeminine individuals and adjacent groups. It can be experienced by anyone, but it is largely targeted towards transfems.

The same goes for exorsexism (oppression directed at nonbinary people) and intersexism (oppression directed at intersex people).

[More talking points below the cut].

"How are manhood and masculinity marginalized under the Patriarchy?"

Any expressions of manhood and masculinity that do not strictly adhere to white, Christian, colonialist, abled, cisheteronormative, allonormative, (+etc) standards can be harshly marginalized under the Patriarchy.

This is because for the Patriarchy to function, rigid enforcement of these standards is mandatory. Any sort of subversion of the status quo must be punished to maintain White Christian Hegemony. There is no room for self-expression, because that is a challenge to the Patriarchy, and may allow room for other people to challenge it as well.

Some examples of marginalized masculinity include Black men, whose manhood is demonized. They are often viewed as inherently violent or aggressive, especially if they display masculine qualities. This often results in police violence, which is usually justified with the fear that police felt simply by being in the presence of a Black man.

Disabled men, conversely, often experience having their masculinity entirely diminished. This relates to the phenomenon of "degendering" in which those who do not fit into certain standards will have their ability to access manhood entirely revoked.

As for transgender men and transmasuline people, our entire experiences of manhood and masculinity are marginalized. The fact that we express these things at all is a slight against the patriarchy, and our masculinity is transgressive by default.

"But trans men have male privilege"

Having male privilege means that one benefits from misogyny on both an interpersonal and systemic level. Because trans men are unilaterally oppressed by misogyny, this means that we cannot benefit from male privilege, regardless of how well we pass.

Some trans men who pass may receive interpersonal male privilege (i.e. being treated with more respect by strangers), but this is extremely conditional. It is conditional upon staying closeted and that nobody ever finds out you are trans. Because the moment that happens, the supposed "privilege" evaporates, and he is now immediately subject to potential violence.

This is very similar to the argument about trans women experiencing male privilege. A trans women who stays closeted and attempts to adhere to patriarchal standards of manhood may receive conditional benefits, but she will always be oppressed by misogyny on a systemic level. So she does not actually benefit from male privilege systemically.

"Saying that trans men face misogyny is misgendering / it's only misdirected"

Saying that trans men face misogyny is a demonstrable fact, and it only appears to be misgendering because of the assumption that only women face misogyny.

However, trans men deal with misogyny on a regular basis, both interpersonally and systemically. Having our reproductive rights controlled is a key example of this, as even a trans man who passes is still impacted by anti-abortion laws and other reproductive restrictions.

It cannot be misdirected when we are the direct targets of it. People often see us as failed women who need to be corrected and put into line. They very much see and acknowledge us and are disgusted by us, and wish to use violence to correct us.

"Androphobia isn't real"

It is not "trans + androphobia" it is "transandro + phobia". As described above, it is the intersection of multiple things. Words do not just mean the literal definition of their roots. By the same logic, cissexism would mean sexism against cis people, rather than the assumption that everyone is cis.

And besides, marginalization of some forms of manhood and masculinity is very real, as elaborated above. The hatred and fear of our masculinity is an essential aspect of our oppression.

"Trans men oppress trans women / transandrophobia implies trans women oppress trans men."

Trans people cannot oppress each other (on the basis of being trans) as they do not have the systemic power to do so. There are no (or very, very few) trans people in positions of power that are creating and perpetuating the system structures used to oppress us.

Trans men also do not materially benefit from transmisogyny in any way. We do not gain anything from the oppression of trans women - and in fact, any attack on the trans community harms trans people as a whole.

Lateral aggression is absolutely a real thing within the trans community, but it comes from every part of the community, not just one group to another.

"What trans men face is just transphobia, not some special category"

Every trans person faces unique intersections of oppression based on the demographics they occupy.

The argument frequently made is that trans men only face oppression for being trans, and not for being men. This is false, and is incongruent with the experiences of many trans men. We are targeted specifically for being transmasculine / trans men. People notice our masculinity and manhood and are disgusted by it, and choose to use violence to suppress it. To say that people only hate us for being trans, is an attempt to separate us from our manhood / masculinity (which coincidentally, is exactly what transphobes do as well).

Also, the idea that gendered violence against trans men is "just" transphobia, while other types of transphobia are more specific, wrongly centers men's experiences as the default, and all others as deviations.

By creating a word to describe this specific type of transphobia, it now puts everyone on an equal playing field where no experience is treated as the default. Transphobia now becomes the umbrella term that trans people are unified in our fight against, and all the other more granular terms are useful labels to describe overlapping types of oppression.

#transandrophobia #transmascphobia #transmasculine #trans man #transmisandry

[radioactive-dualist]

its is ... uh *checks notes*

transphobic and misogynistic to say "trans masculinity is treated differently then cis masculinity by society and implying that it is, is transphobic. Stop trying to compare trans men/mascs to people who oppress us and stop trying to ignore how trans masculinity is oppressed." .... yeah.

Apparently saying trans men are treated differently then cis men is transphobic and misogynistic!

#.txt #trans #trans man #anti transmasculinity #transmasc #transmascphobia

[theyfabfag]

I’m seeing a lot of trans men and mascs, and a lot of nonmasc trans/nonbinary people who were AFAB, talking about transandrophobia and the oppression we face. This is good! The more we talk about it, even more people will begin to talk about it. Love seeing newer blogs getting into the conversation, and older blogs joining in.

#transmisandry #transandrophobia #transandromisia #transmascphobia