#western queer media

[gennianydots]

Overflowing with joy knowing in the next month I’m getting:

1. Red White and Royal Blue the movie 🇬🇧🇺🇸

2. Only Friends the series👨🏻‍❤️‍💋‍👨🏻👨🏻‍❤️‍💋‍👨🏻👨🏻‍❤️‍💋‍👨🏻

3. Ahsoka the series🌌⭐️⚔️

4. Dangerous Romance ❤️📚

5. Man Suang 💃🏽🪘

#my gay star wars heart couldn’t be happier tbh #star wars and bls #asian media #western queer media #star wars #sw ahsoka #star wars ahsoka #red white and royal blue #red white and royal blue movie #ofts #only friends the series #only friends #man suang #dangerous romance

[seance]

Human connections were never easy when I was alive. And now that I'm dead, they seem to bring somehow even more baggage. There are these feelings that I'm not used to. I thought those feelings were never to be spoken of. But once you have them… it's hard to hold them back. And that terrifies me.

#dead boy detectives #dbdedit #deadboydetectivesedit #edwin paine #edwin payne #charles rowland #monty dbd #the cat king #dbd spoilers #edits #don't know why i went with this subdued coloring that i honestly suck at but still!! #gotta catch them all kiddo i believe in you #in all seriousness i think it's maybe one of the first times i see this kind of desire aimed @ a queer character in western media #it was fun and refreshing to see #especially cause it gives the characters a different dimension #AND PINING FOR THE ONE WHO TRULY MATTERS #i love ed very much honestly :( deserves all the love in the world

[unironicallycringe]

something lgbtq was happening in this movie

#this is like when i watched Some Like It Hot and was jumpscared #disclaimer that this is a 1969 movie and it thus has random bursts of Problematic in the flavor of that era obvi #and the polyam stuff seems to be acceptable by way of 'comedic musical' #and they end up monogamous at the end because one is a Wanderer who cant help but Wander #but still damn it was a lot of fun #it does do that thing where it's an old musical and meanders #it's just like a collection of misadventures #hootin and hollerin and slapstick #and polyandry #vintage movies #western movie #clint eastwood #lee marvin #jean seberg #queer media #<- putting it there because although nothing is outright queer as we'd know it today #it's surprisingly queer for the time #paint your wagon #ok bye again logging back off 👋🏾❤️‍🩹

[batfishing]

AND THE BOOT GOES ON...

paper collage on wood, 2023

made with clippings from a weed magazine, a vintage playboy & a local store tag

#collage art #collage #cowboy #queer cowboy #playboy magazine #weed #magazine collage #paper collage #paper art #queer art #queer #lgbtq #art #my stuff #my collage #analog collage #mixed media art #trans artist #cowboys are frequently secretly fond of each other #western #artists on tumblr #queer artist

[pissfizz]

I forgot that ni hao kai lan really is just chinese dora. Whatever she’s cute and I love her and I love all her little animal friends and I love dora so that just makes me like it more

#i LOVED dora as a kid I was obsessed with her #it was dora then hello kitty then mlp. those were my big childhood phases #and then I moved here and I became a book nerd #and also had a massive mythical creature phase. mostly mermaids and unicorns #dragons and fairies were short lived but prevalent #after book nerd was anime phase one then stranger things and it MASSIVE fixation #then queer media and western cartoons #then quarantine hit and I fell back into anime #specifically fixated on Yamaguchi from haikyuu #and now I’m more in my rhythm game era #edit somewhere in between Yamaguchi and games is my avatar and sk8 eras. btw

[dimiclaudeblaigan]

If there is at least one thing I can credit FE for doing better than Tales in localization, it's not trying to actively go out of their way for an entire game to avoid subtext or direct text between two men that is romantic or implied romantic. Funny when it's so present that the attempt doesn't even work; infuriating that it was attempted to begin with.

So as much as I often have issues with some of FE's localizations, at least they have a leg up on loc Tales for that.

#DCB Comments #imagine changing entire sentences and vocal tones just to try to avoid it #if anything I'd say at least in FE the locs just... keep what's there like #they could've toned Soren and Houses Yuri down and they didn't. they just kept their lines or in some cases #especially with Houses Yuri I'd say leaned into them #have to specify bc Houses Yuri got to keep his bi agenda. Vesperia Yuri had the unfortunate issue of #the loc not wanting to keep his gay and trying reeeeally hard to avoid it #including altering entire sentences to avoid any woe is them misunderstandings about men having feelings for each other #meanwhile Houses Yuri is free to call men cute and lo and behold everyone loved that for him #they removed and altered a LOT of Vesperia Yuri's personality traits #(including any ability to express real sadness or fear bc woe is them if he's not a cool edgy man) #but they also really changed his tone toward Flynn PLUS some of what they say to each other #and twisted it to make it sound like Yuri was either angry or wasn't actually emotional abt him #forget the way they brought Grant George in for the DE release and made him sound just completely DEAD with zero personality #like. I can tolerate playing Houses dubbed despite my gripes with it (story based stuff) #it didn't feel like they were trying to alter LBGT+ aspects and they even for some rly leaned into it #basically if you haven't played Vesperia Yuri is... really gay coded. the loc pretended not to notice #in fact he's queer + gay coded bc and doesn't fit male gender norms and the gacha games LOVE that with his hair/outfits #Rays mind you is JP only bc it was shut down very quickly in the west and Vesp Yuri's story in Rays is uh #basically it centers around Flynn he loses his shit to protect Flynn and they do the usual like #don't-admit-it's-gay-outright in fictional media by using the ''Yuri's important person'' shtick #but he activates a special power in the middle of utterly raging to get Flynn back from their enemies #funny thing? that game never made it to that arc. I was told in about five months the western ver would've gotten that #but in some way I'm glad it didn't bc who knows how they would've tried to spin that #It's BAFFLING to me how you can get characters in Tales like JAY but the locs shake in their boots at the idea of queer gays #but given how allergic fictional media is to admitting a male character is gay -gestures to Ike and Vesp Yuri- #I'm not surprised I'm just actually angry that the locs try to censor homosexual relationships as much as possible even when they barely ca #if anyone does know Vesp Yuri and is confused on why I'm calling him gay coded despite what the dub did with Judith feel free to ask #bc I do ship them a little bit myself! but I just recognize that canon wise I really can't see him as anything but gay-demiromantic #but again at least FE locs don't shake in their boots anymore abt same sex pairs including men (side eyes Lucius/Raven)

[goldfyshie927]

Yall talk about gender this and gender that but can’t even respect the canon gender of a character when said gender is extremely important to the characterization, narrative, and time period being depicted in the piece of media. I hate that everyone views everything through a western queer modern lens and gives no thought to what’s actually being shown on screen and why it’s important that the character’s canon gender is the thing that put all the nuance and depth in the story.

#if I see one more bad take on [redacted] I might actually scream #you are allowed to headcanon but the discourse around this character is actually borderline ridiculous #I love a good headcanon! it’s my bread and butter! #but not everything is meant to reflect your personal journey perfectly #and by saying things that fit into modern queer and very western narratives and ignoring the cultural aspect of the piece of media #it’s actually really disrespectful and takes all the interesting aspects of the show away #anyway I hate fandom and 99% of the time this shit is why #OBVIOUSLY IM GENERALIZING I KNOW NOT EVERYONE DOES THIS #BUT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE LOUD AND VOCAL ABOUT IT IS TOO MUCH #delete later

[rotzaprachim]

one of my current most blockable offenses is the vibe that because of the corporatization of queer characters in media - which is not specific to queerness btw but media in general - it’s now very fun and sexy for people to shout things like GIVE ME HOMOPHOBIA AGAIN no more tv gays make it like the 80’s again etc etc

#Like this is from a relatively privileged white western gay who did not live though those periods #This isn’t about not critiquing bubblegum queer media - we absolutely should #It’s the reactionary attitude of people blithely calling for more intensive homophobia than already currently exists under the guise of #*it making better art* or something

[stardustandash]

Night Vale may be ancient af now, but i still love it and find Cecil's voice so soothing. I wish i could find a playlist somewhere without the weather because while i love all the different music, it means i can't use it as a sleepy podcast as that shit jumpscares me every time lol

#wtnv #so old but still good #it holds a special place in my heart as being one of the first explicitly queer western medias i ever interacted with

[aeternallis]

KM Discord Server

As a POC (SE Asian) who was also dogpiled on a much a smaller scale in another discord server, and as one who'd witnessed in real time the events that unfolded in December 2023 in the KM discord server, I think the one thing that's been lost in all this chaos and drama is the human decency of giving people the benefit of the doubt.

Feel free to skip this section!

And for a little background, here's my experience: I reblogged a post on my blog and ranted about a few headcanons that I don't agree with in the tags. Some people read my tags, and concluded from that one post that I'm an outright ableist. Mind you, it was one day, and one post when I had absolutely no filter. Yet still, in which case, the conclusion drawn about me was fair, since in retrospect, I see where I went wrong. Again, I was frustrated for one day in that post and did not think of my tone whatsoever. I face the repercussions of that misjudgment today. For the record, just because I'm a POC, it doesn't mean that I'm immune to hurting other people, no matter the fact that that was never my intention. I did hurt certain individuals with that one damn post and the tags I wrote, and I'll be apologetic and remorseful about it for a long time. But having said that, I'd honestly expected certain people in this fandom to be mature enough to reach out in private first and ask for some clarifications, not to be immediately gossiped about in the discord server we were a part of. On top of that, besides that one incident, I hadn't even realized there was already growing resentment towards the metas I've written for KP/Kimchay, besides one of the few times I brought up personal frustrations I experienced as a POC. Lol

From what I've noticed with this incident in the KM server as well as the small discord server I was a part of, when POC share their own cultural context and understanding of something, not just the piece of media for which is the reason why we were all there in the first place, the knee-jerk reaction for most westerners are almost always to think of those things as "fandom policing."

In fact, in a separate conversation from my experience, one of them even said, "it's not so much about culture!" LOLOL To have that sentiment hurled towards me, while I was speaking of my frustrations of when culture erasure takes place in conversations of certain topics, while the conversation took place in a discord server meant to celebrate an Asian piece of queer media…was quite an experience. XD Goodness, I can only wonder what it's like to be able to have the privilege to say that so easily. That's all I'll say. Ha~

Yet still, from my own point of view, do I call the people who hurt me “individuals with a colonizer mindset” and that other word that’s hanging around right now and unsaid, just because of these few incidents? My knee-jerk reaction is to say yes, considering I wasn't even given a chance to explain myself, but I'll clamp that knee-jerk reaction down as much as I can, because despite everything, I still personally think the KM discord server and that other discord server still did more good than bad (not by much though), in the grand scheme of things. Those servers allowed for some instances of astounding cross-cultural communication (even if it also allowed rampant western ignorance to thrive), and for what it's worth, there are still good people in this community, despite everything.

And at the end of the day, who am I to hurl hurtful labels towards those who'd hurt me, when I hardly even knew them in the first place (two of them I never even talked to, LOL), and I know to myself that they meant no harm at the end of the day. Even if they certainly didn’t hesitate to throw the label “ableist” at me without a second thought.

It's a serious thing to throw a label like that at someone, even if my own experience as a POC who was dogpiled on by a number of westerners...hmm, let's stop that train of thought.

Getting back on track. Even still, these opinions I hold won't erase the experiences of other POC members in this fandom and in the KM discord server, the hurt they've experienced, nor can I speak for any one of them.

I think the bad habit of knee-jerk reactions—specifically the knee-jerk reaction of those wanting to protect the KM discord server in the way that's perceived to result in the least amount of drama, the gut instinct to not want to be caught in the crossfire, the conscious choice to tolerate such things, for the sake of preserving the safe space that one has left—is pretty much what's dominating the behaviors of people responsible right now.

The mods who run such servers like the KM server and others like it—they're not perfect, but I would have at least expected from them to be more open and proactive to the concerns of its POC members. Perhaps it's too much to expect that they would be equipped to handle very sensitive issues as the ones its POC members experienced, but damn...the bar is quite low, even just to meet the minimum.

And that's the most frustrating thing, to be honest. All this time, in all these various situations for those who’ve spoken out, it's the POC members of the community who are ALWAYS the ones who are pressured to having to give people the benefit of the doubt, to have to be careful of what they say, but NOWHERE in these situations is that sentiment even remotely returned to POC.

It was the POC members affected by the incident in December who had to remain patient with the mods, it was the POC members who had to face the backlash of negativity that happened, it’s the POC members of the community who’ve had to face the accusations of fandom policing, it’s the POC members of the community who have to face daily micro aggressions in this fandom, when all we’ve done is express opinions and our viewpoints.

At the end of the day, it’s POC members of the community who face the repercussions of having spoken out, yet the rest of the westerners in this community have the damn luxury to walk away, unscathed, to think to themselves that they did nothing wrong.

So I’ll be blunt this one time: yes, for the most part, there are good people in this fandom, there are. But even so, not a single one of us here is perfect, we’re all human.

And if I do say so myself, there is indeed quite a desperate need for fandom spaces, not just the KP fandom, to decolonize their ways of operating, starting with: giving POC the benefit of the doubt and actually trying to handle our concerns with some effort.

#KinnPorsche #KimChay #kinnporsche the series #KM discord server #yet again #another piece of Asian queer media #being taken over by westerners #and their callous attitude towards POC #what else is freakin’ new

[intertexts-moving]

i hope i am not just a sleepyblogger to u but also an anglerfish in the alleyway into bl & danmei & baihe & other asian queer media.....

#the realization that yaoi & such has such an awful reputation because of a singularity of racism + sexism + homophobia & isn't actually #inferior 2 western queer media in any way was like. one of those moments of recontextualizing YEARS of being a kid online in queer spaces.. #txt

[scarefox]

Not saying names... But some people who came into the BL fandom just in the past year with super biased and false views (still has them) about the whole industry in a generalizing manner. ala “BLs are just from and for the cishet girlies”, “the industry is so bad and toxic 100% of the time” and “BLs have such bad plots but nobody cares it’s only to drool over eyecandy anyways” BUT then demand actors to undress fully or to stop acting even though the actor in question is knowingly uncomfortable with it (and the production does respect that)!! Uhm yea that says more about you than the whole industry that you are constantly dismissing. 

Also imagine being in the fandoms, having watched many good productions by QUEER people, seeing fans in here analyzing and sharing all the quality stuff, (some shows even won awards !!!) and still have those opinions on it??

You criticize how toxic the industry is but then contribute to those bad traits?? (newsflash actors don’t get forced to shit they don’t want, things like nudity and NC & kiss scenes are settled in contracts before they start shooting)

#it is one person on tumblr but also goes for every idiot on twt and youtube who watch BL and profit from BL but still treat it like trash #(reminder that BL counts officially as QUEER asian media just because your western mind can't comprehend that doesn't make it anything less) #blocked that person now they annoyed me for way too long with their dumb know it all comments (while not knowing shit) #vent #salt post

[thatsprettylane]

Usually only women are referred to as wildcats in old westerns, so it’s interesting how often it’s applied to Jess. A bit like old school queer coding.

#queer coding in westerns #queer coding #jess harper #Laramie #laramie tv #he even adopted one when he was a kid #which is such a classic girl thing #girls get cats boys get dogs #so it’s cool to see in old media

[queersouthasian]

I feel like there is suddenly a constant need to label queer characters, a criticism regarding bls not specifically using the terms like gay pan bi etc just proves how everyone is more concerned about a person's sexual identity and gender. A character is bi/pan and that's clear as day but everyone would be like "yeah but this is just fan service they never mentioned they are bi" what?? What you mean is a queer character cannot exist without constantly have to confirm and justify their labels and what baffles me is i have seem queer people say this shit. Let queer characters exist beyond just the labelling, look at the characterisation, the arc.

#create #new bls are creating a space of queer people to peacefully exist #label is not it #bl drama #lgbtq #bad buddy #love in the air #love mechanics #kinnporche the series #vice versa the series #war of y #western media may label characters well but fail to a character

[apollo-cackling]

not trying to be mean but honestly any sentiment that's like "[non-Traditional form/genre of literature*] raised my bar for queer representation so much I can't ever return to Published Books because it's all bad straight stuff/straight people writing queerness/etc" is kind of distasteful to me now. they're there. there's literally plenty** out there now if you just look.

[edit: I want to clarify that I don't think published books are inherently better than any other forms of literature and that I'm not trying to say people should always aspire to have a media diet of only 100% Published Literature (the assumptions inherent in which create a false dichotomy anyway bc plenty of published queer books I've read are fun romps whose themes are incidental to the main goal of being fun)

I just dislike the sentiment I've seen around that mainstream queer stuff is either just subtext or written Inauthentically because it's just. untrue. and it cedes ground to queerphobic people saying the only ground queer stories can occupy is artless smut/popcorn trash with no meaning (which isn't a bad thing to be in and of itself, but it's hardly like queerness can't be artistic)]

The Darkness Outside Us came out last year. Ophelia After All came out this year. The Honeys came out this year. the second book of Burning Kingdoms came out this year. Zachary Ying came out this year. Delilah Green came out this year. This is Why They Hate Us came out this year. And that's just the few on my 'anticipated of 2022' GR shelf (+ The Darkness Outside Us because goddamn that book was good).

it's completely fine to be dissatisfied with how the publishing industry (/mainstream media but I'm mostly read so) is! I also have many gripes with it! but it just feels distasteful to demean Published Books on the whole as if it (/other mainstream media but again see above) is a monolith and diminish the the very queer queer books by queer - gender and sexuality - authors (Ocean Vuong, Akwaeke Emezi, Victoria Lee, CB Lee, Ashley Herring Blake, Shaun David Hutchinson, need I go on?)

it's mostly a massive pet peeve of mine but it just feels kinda. lazy? obviously if something like this's post date was like 2010 or if it was a situation where access not awareness is the problem etc that's a different situation but like. most of the posts/tweets/etc I've seen of this are recent and most of them have the tone of "it's perfectly safe for me to read/watch queer media I just couldn't find any" which

I really started reading queer books in 2020ish. I googled 'queer fantasy' (because I like fantasy) and found a bunch of different booklists, took a few recs and just started there. I found lgbtqreads. I followed a few queer folks on GR (once you look through a certain type of books' reviews a few common names start popping up) and noted down the books they were reading and now I have a bunch of queer books that I need to get around to.

I just. if you're into books there's plenty of queer books literally right there (and recently enough big publishers have started publishing them that they're appearing in libraries too). it's not a dichotomy. you don't have to read Published Books if you don't want to but it's not all straight there goddammit. and this isn't even bringing up self-published books

#*fanfic，d/nmei (chinese bl) etc #<- to avoid maintagging #**still not a lot on a percentage basis of total books published (aside from self pub) yeah publishing industry bad but still plenty #in general I dislike the idea that any category of media is inherently anything #also the phrase 'd/nmei raised the bar for queer stories for me' is a bit funny to me bc. these are webnovels. most of them 80+ chapters #and like from what I've seen most of them are either 100ish or 300ish chapters #I don't think they've really gotten popular until recently either too so I doubt most folks have fully read more than two lol #imagine if I watched bloom into you and said 'anime changed queer stories for me' lol #the specific post I saw that got me to put this into words was this one post on the d/nmei subreddit about how reading western quote 'BL' #feels off compared to d/nmei bc they felt like badly written wattpad fics and unrealistic wrt queerness which I was side-eyeing pretty hard #eh it bothered me for a few reasons. some of them I think are fair - the ones I made this post for #some of them I'm not sure is fair which is why they're in the tags #specifically that the specific post reminded me of the stereotype of the straight girl completely uninterested in the messiness and #complexities of queerness or exploring queerness at all (unless it's aestheticised suffering) and just wants to see pretty boys together #but I'm not sure how fair that is because I'm not transmasc and I'm not mlm lol #anyway yea lol #my rambles #queer stuff #media #10n

[todayisafridaynight]

There seems to be a good chunk of homophobia even in the Asian side. That blatantly gay ship art they shared had some upset people on Twitter and a joke post from a fake RGG account had some people begging the characters not to be gay. The copium would be coming from every angle.

what Blatantly Gay Ship Art hold the phone LMAO

but yeah thats not surprising. and thats why itd be funny if it turned out that way

#snap chats #when i say Filthy Westerners im speaking from A Westerner's Experience on the internet. evidently. #because other westerners get real uppity and like to act mightier than others just for saying Westerners Bad #or acting like lgbt+ topics/people dont exist in japan or that they were Somehow influence by The Filthy West #and now Ew My Japanese Media Is Being Tainted when its like. dawg shut up LMAO #anyway thats what i mean. and there probably are japanese people too that think that #like if the west still struggles with queer shit then asia's worse LMAO but im not talking about that #not today or whatever im a funny man on the internet <- debatable #im just here to make goofy ass posts. not now tho i gtta get ready for class EW bye