#Ace Attorney discourse

[alynnl]

Ace Attorney: Investigations 2 and Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney spoilers under the cut.  I found a contradiction!

Let me get this straight.

Raymond Shields was Gregory Edgeworth’s understudy.

At first he was being vague when meeting Miles Edgeworth the first time in a while in Investigations 2.  He speaks in cryptic language and implies that he’s going to “report to ‘that person’ about Miles’s betrayal, following the Von Karma ways.”  Presuming “That Person” is referring to Gregory then we assume at first, that Ray has no idea Gregory is dead.

We dive further into the case, we meet Ray again.

He clearly states that he inherited Gregory’s practice, the Edgeworth Law Offices.  Him and Miles talk about his late father when he mentions this.  Ray actually knows that his mentor is dead after all and has been carrying on his work with the Edgeworth name on the line.

If Raymond Shields knows Gregory Edgeworth is dead...

Does he not know about the DL-6 Incident at all?

Is he not aware that after he was orphaned, Miles was legally adopted by Manfred von Karma and didn’t really have a choice but to become his student?

Adding to that, this was done on purpose to erase any traces of Gregory’s legacy

Where was Raymond at the time Miles was orphaned, and why didn’t he take him in and raise him as a defense attorney to follow closer in Gregory’s footsteps?

Did Raymond not hear about the events of Turnabout Goodbyes, where Manfred von Karma framed Miles for two murders and came very close to getting away with it?

And then there’s the events of Farewell, My Turnabout where Miles says, under oath that his only aim is to find the truth.  (And you can’t tell me that the trial of a celebrity like Matt Engarde didn’t make national, or even worldwide news.)

I suppose my Watsonian (in-universe) question is this: Has Raymond Shields been living under a rock for the past year and then some?

You would have to be, to miss all that!

And my Doylist (meta, out of universe writing) question is this: Why are the writers of later AA games almost allergic to making direct connections to the previous ones?

I don’t speak for every AA player, but I would love to see incidents and events referred to by name and not just “a case I worked on previously.”  Capcom.  You have the power to do this.  You own all the games.  Step up your continuity!

... All this being said, I’m willing to be patient and see if these contradictions are answered for in the narrative of AA: I2.  Despite my long sessions in the game (I think my latest one was an hour and a half today) - I’m still only on the second case, The Imprisoned Turnabout.  This game will be a long runner, a bit like reading a brick of a novel.  But I’ve come too far not to piece together all the lore to see if it fits.

#Ace Attorney: Investigations 2 ~ Prosecutor's Path #Lynn plays video games #Lynn ponders about video games #contradiction found! #Raymond Shields #Miles Edgeworth #Gregory Edgeworth #Manfred von Karma #The DL-6 Incident #The Imprisoned Turnabout #Also #AA characters stop guilt tripping others challenge #Y'all I'm about to lose my mind #Ace Attorney discourse #I guess #This is based off my first impression #my opinions are subject to change as I make progress

[attorneys-against-court-violence]

Ace Attorney peeps who have played both games

How do we feel about Trials & Tribulations being in non-linear order vs Dual Destinies being non-linear?

#ace attorney #dual destinies #trials and tribulations #i ask because i wanted to get a clearer picture on the execution differences that makes dd more prone to discourse in this area #poking the ace attorney fandom with a stick to see what noise it makes

[the-bar-sinister]

I saw a post expressing some frustration with the state of f/f shipping in the Ace Attorney fandom, and there are definitely some elements they discussed that I agree with.

While I don't feel that FranMaya is exactly a "crackship" per se, I do agree that it's overly represented given the amount of time that the characters actually spend with one another in canon (which is next to nothing.) The pairing is largely speculative and results from Maya and Franziska being considered as sidekicks to or subcategorized to to their male counterparts, Phoenix and Miles.

It definitely comes off as very "pair the spares" to me– specifically in I feel like the pairing got started more because people ship narumitsu rather than finding Maya and Franiziska as having any chemistry in their own right.

The post I read was unfortunate also correct that a large subsection of the fandom will go off if you do pair either of them with anyone else.  There tends to be a low tolerance in the Ace Attorney fandom in some ways for shipping outside of the main top pairings-- this isn't unique to femlash, people will come at you for the wrong slash pairings, or het pairings also.

Franziska and Adrian Andrews was brought up, which is a pairing that I personally find very compelling, and plan to write more of in the future.

I feel like if Adrian was less of a "one case wonder" and got more screen time that this could have developed into a fairly common pairing.

Another pairing discussed was another favorite of mine, Trucy and Pearl. This particular pairing I think suffers from the heavy infantilization of both the characters.

While in the last game, Trucy is 17 and Pearl is 18, both of them are introduced to the series as children, which I think makes many fans hesitant to write them in any romantic or shippy material.

However, I feel like the best way to combat all of this is the same as combating most fandom problems simply to keep putting the material out there that you want to see, in whatever capacity you enjoy, be that fic, art, edits, meta or just talking about the pairings.

#ace attorney #ace attorney meta #femslash #femslash discourse #fandom wank #shipping #shipping wank #maya fey #trucy wright #pearl fey #franziska von karma

[ennaakat]

#miraculous les aventures de ladybug et chat noir #miraculous ladybug #steven universe #danganronpa #persona series #persona 5 #p5 #ace attorney #aa4 #discourse #meme

[lawyest]

curious since ive seen opinions and evidence on both. this isn’t necesarily about which one you ship or think is better, just which one is (in your opinion) more intended by the creators!

#please dont bring pro anti discourse to me i wanna get an opinion from both sides #aced this #ace attorney #narumitsu #wrightworth #narumayo #phoenix wright #miles edgeworth #maya fey

[slident]

I made a bunch of memes for because I was bored, :)

#ace attorney #miles edgeworth #meme #funny #i made this #fandom discourse

[someoneintheshadow456]

MXTX in basically all her books: The CCP's idea of what it is to be a man - an emotionless machine who only serves the government, is utter rubbish and completely out of touch with traditional Chinese culture. Men throughout our history expressed their emotions and did things the CCP now consider "feminine" and it was and still is completely natural and doesn't make you less of a man.

Shu Takumi when making AA: I have experiences with being accused of things I didn't do from childhood. I wished that I had people who vouched for me and stood by my side when I needed it the most and I wanted to reflect that in the relationship between Phoenix and Miles.

The OP of this poll: So your characters are basically women. Gotcha.

#mxtx #ace attorney #mdzs #discourse

[midgardianqueenreturns]

One of the annoying things about being in a fandom for something that was originally in a foreign language is the amount of fans who just REFUSE to listen when it’s pointed out right in front of them that there was a mistranslation that either explains something or changes context, mostly because the more accurate translation doesn’t support their personal interpretations.

#Anime fandom #video game fandom #Fire Emblem #Ace Attorney #mha #my hero academia #Ace Attorney fandom #fe fandom #Mha fandom #phoenix wright ace attorney #fandom bs #fandom discourse #jrpg games #jrpg fandom #Fire emblem fandom

[alexis-royce]

This is one of those classic mysteries.

#Raincode #raincode spoilers #ace attorney #classic stepladder discourse #Yuma begins a career in law

[lacystar]

Ace attorney is like if a game introduced the most interesting character dynamics and beats of a relationship you’ve ever seen and then just refused to elaborate on them

#ace attorney #this is about miles and Franziska #and all of AA3 #remind me to elaborate on this later #discourse <- said by a woman who loves ace attorney

[catgirl-catboy]

A surprising lack of legal understanding in the law fandom.

(disclaimer: you don't have to like the ship, or the people that ship it. But calling it an illegal ship or a pedo ship is just plain inaccurate.)

#fandom wank #fandom discourse #narumayo #narumayo discourse #ace attorney

[average-hua-cheng-fan]

my thoughts on why the mdzs fandom is Like That

#mdzs fans will see ANY post of any level of effort or context and try to start shit or complain in the tags/comments #not on my ace attorney sprites actually 😇 but on every other mdzs thing ive posted theres SOMEONE #somehow mdzs is *uniquely* prone to discourse. i think because of the above opinions #I NEED TO MAKE CLEAR ive not actually been inconvenienced. its just annoying #especially for a guy that blocks fandom discourse on sight #lmao #mdzs #i speak

[trlvsn]

tiktok users are fucking killing me im sorry. just saw that one "if _ was a crime" trend with "if being gay was a crime"... you are aware that. it still is. a crime. in a lot of countries. people get the death penalty. you are aware of that right

and i'm sure that if i scrolled a couple of times after that video i would see some guy with one slightly feminine feature and the comments calling him "zesty" and asking him if "his gun is pink" as if that's normal and friendly behavior?? honestly it might be a reach but if someone shouted "gay!" at me in the street i would assume it wasn't an allyship moment, i would assume they meant it as something homophobic. you are ridiculing people for femininity and that's just not cool no matter how trendy the terms and copy-pasted comments are. sigh

#sorry it's not ace attorney related but i have fucking had enough #stop calling real people fruity for no reason!!! it's weird!!!! #and on the topic of that: touch of the tism is also not a cool phrase #tiktok #tw homophobia #tw tiktok users #cw homophobia #gay #queer discourse #queer discussions #raysidk

[stararise]

thinking about DGS set in the modern day AU again

susato gets to be recognized for her lawyer skills (!!!)

gina with access to the internet...

ryuunosuke speedrunning phoenix's life story is so much funnier when phoenix is also alive at the same time

imagining barok van zieks doing literally anything modern like. sitting in traffic listening to pop songs on the radio or something. is cracking me up

21th century herlock sholmes and iris watson. iris with access to DNA testing...?!

you would have to change so many aspects of DGS to make it function in the modern day BUT you CANNOT change everyone's outfits. i think it should just be a Thing that European Prosecutors Dress Like Vampires

the thought of 1-2 taking place in like, an airport or something hsjdfhsh

okay AA doesn't perfectly follow irl law BUT the UK has abolished capital punishment and i think it'd be funny if the parallels between athena and kazuma got just that bit more pronounced

speaking of athena cykes remember how she's studying in europe during the 7YG? you know how the study tour in DGS would probably be some kind of exchange student program? you see where i'm going here?

athena spilling her life story to amnesiac kazuma during a 2am study session like. Does He Know?

equally great outcomes between "ryuunosuke introduces athena to phoenix" and "athena drops the fact that she knows phoenix's cousin casually a few months into working at the WAA"

i'd love to see ryuunosuke go to khura'in. not only is he afraid of ghosts but he's also unafraid to say fuck the government

i think the funniest possible ship here is genklint bc. given the existence of airplanes a lot more people would know each other. given the existence of modern medicine a lot less people die. i'm saying world's worst family reunion since the feys on the 7th of february 2019

#star says #ace attorney #the great ace attorney #dgs spoilers #ryunosuke naruhodo #kazuma asogi #athena cykes #im not tagging everyone lmao #ryuunosuke gets medicated for his ADHD and becomes more powerful than you could ever imagine #also if dgs happened in modern day there would be SO much discourse around the professor like holy shit

[squipdop]

no but the potential for klavier gavin rpf is so vast. and i dont mean soft and nice in universe klapollo fics. i mean endless gavinners self insert shipping fics. i mean out of 14k works in Gavinners (RPF) on ao3 8453 fics are tagged Klavier Gavin/Daryan Crescend with an e rating (of which a good 17% are omegaverse). the tobaye trial only makes this number explode even more while it also simultaneously produces the most insane discourse imaginable. im talking about "klavier gavin got your mother convicted for your attempted murder and now fosters you because he is so kind and sweet and also teaching you to play the guitar". im talking about trucy with way too many bookmarks of stuff she legally shouldnt be allowed to read and who cringes visibly everytime someone mentions some random word because it references this universes equivalent of the hat fic.

#ace attorney #klavier gavin #im rotating this in my brain so fast. #also thank u to the ppl who linked me the 'pollo writes a klav/YN fic' fic it was real cute! unfortunately not what my broken mind desires #i want the True Fandom Experience #anyways thats for this weeks ace attorney posting. tune in next week to hear my thoughts on the Klavier Gavin Queerbaiting Discourse

[miles-edgewords]

*bangs hands on table*

tHE ACE ATTORNEY ANIME AND THE ACE ATTORNEY GAMES ARE TWO SEPARATE CANONS. YOU CANNOT CANONICALLY STATE THINGS ABOUT A CHARACTER FROM THE GAMES AND THEN CITE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN THE ANIME AS “PROOF”.

If you wanna make headcanons based on the anime, go on ahead by all means!!! It’s a fun show with some really great takes!! But the amount of arguments I’ve seen that have started because of characters acting different in the game vs the anime (primarily regarding Manfred von Karma and his interactions with young Miles Edgeworth) are really frustrating. They are DIFFERENT PIECES OF MEDIA and while it is 100% okay to enjoy both and to use both canons when making fanworks, it gets really frustrating when the game fans start fighting the anime fans over what’s canon and what’s not. Everything is canon, because they are separate. (And also because they are fictional but I won’t get into that right now)

(All of this is lighthearted I’m not actually angry at anyone but. Please stop fighting guys I just wanna write fics in peace)

TL;DR can we all just chill pls

#im thinking about making a post about manfred von karma specifically #but im kinda scared of the discourse #we can all view characters differently #and we should #thats the point of fandoms #if we all thought the same way we would not ever do anything #anyways #ace attorney #miles edgeworth #manfred von karma #phoenix wright #milesrambles