#EVEN WITH VECNA LMAO

[kiirotoao]

Being with Max is Lucas’ happy place, strong enough to render Vecna completely useless to hurt him.

They’re on that movie date they promised to go to.

I’m so normal about this.

I’M SO NORMAL ABOUT THIS

#Lumax #😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 #SHARING POPCORN AND ALL #EVEN WITH VECNA LMAO #THE MOST UNBOTHERED LOVERS FR

[operakings]

happy birthday my precious little wizard

#will byers #will byers art #stranger things #stranger things art #birthdaygate #<- LMAO I AM A TRUTHER but dont worry will i personally would never ever forget ur birthday even if vecna brainwashed me #byler

[laurasbailey]

each critical role party has its weaknesses but i think a lot of bells hells' weaknesses can be boiled down to the simple fact that they've been hurtling towards the main plot non stop since they met. like yeah i do think the group dynamic would be very different if they got to have the luxury of actual downtime or have many days out at sea or travelling between towns or take random sidequests or have entire arcs dedicated to someone's backstory

basically i think it's kind of reductive (and shows a weird lack of empathy) to just brush them off as being "bad" characters who are "incapable" of forming bonds when they're really just a group of traumatised people who have only been able to address that trauma in brief little pockets while the world is falling apart around them

#text #i love this campaign's plot and i love that we've gone back to c1 level villains and stakes #but i also think the persistent time limit hanging over their heads has hindered them #and that's not a criticism of anyone it's just the way the campaign is #vox machina went through tons of trauma too but even they had a year of downtime before vecna reared his ugly head lmao #tldr it's obviously fine to dislike the campaign but you can just say that #without doing backflips with these brainless takes lmao

[reikunrei]

i will always be on my high horse about believing henry equals one equals vecna when i first watched st4, and STILL believing he didn't deserve to be trapped in the lab for decades and getting a genuine pit in my stomach when baby henry was strapped down, branded, and visibly afraid/uncomfortable under brenner's care. like idk man it seems like something went wrong in your life if you saw a child pinned like a bug, no matter their supposed circumstances, and thought they deserved it. sounds like a huge moral failing on your part

#especially when he's not even a real person lmao like damn why are you trying to punish this string of text #like genuinely i will always be a pretentious asshole about this LMAO #even when i truly believed they were all the same person i was still like. damn. this Sucks tho #and obviously he's going to be someone who's meant to be sympathized and empathized with #like. BEFORE i was ever part of the fandom AT ALL i was like. oh yeah this is meant to just be sad and devastating and #we're not meant to actually be mad at him. this is meant to be sad. this is meant to be gut wrenching #but instead 99% of people jumped on the bandwagon of 'evil from birth' like wow y'all really are stupid huh #anyway. bye. #i say things #stranger things #like straight up i wasnt even actually mad at him or thought he deserved a horrible death EVEN AFTER he became vecna #like. even AFTER the massacre and the hawkins teens i was genuinely still there like. wow this is sad. what a tragedy #for everyone involved INCLUDING him. bc he was obviously pushed here.

[harringroveera]

Eddie: Actually it is because look!

Due to popular demand, a Creelson version for @queereldritch & @shieldofiron 🤲

#creelson #i didnt know eddie’s ass was this fat for that i am sorry #henry creel #eddie munson #unfortunately i also didnt think henry’s ass was fat even post-vecna lmao #henry x eddie #henry creel x eddie munson #incorrect creelson quotes #creelson meme #creelson textpost #harringroveera #creelson + text post #eddie munson meme #incorrect eddie munson #henry creel meme #incorrect henry creel quotes #eddie x henry

[hopelessromanfic]

manifesting that in s5 someone gets even slightly snippy with will and mike goes completely s1/s2 style feral on them

#byler #stranger things #the time mike stood up for him he wasn’t there to see it #like picture this: #steve or someone is like losing patience with him while he’s trying to choke out a vecna related explanation #like he gets vecnad or something #and he goes ‘cut the shit byers’ or something along those lines #and will just like stammering even more bc he literally just got done being traumatized #AGAIN #and then mike just absolutely losing his shit #when your tags are longer than your post lmao

[bylertruther]

i was doing my regular rewatch the other day and tbh... lonnie and will's relationship is so unsettling. lonnie literally did not give a single goddamn fuck that his own twelve year old son was missing and later "dead". he just... did not fucking care! at all. couldn't even pretend to. jonathan comes to tell him what happened and we see that...

lonnie got joyce's call and still didn't care to reach out,

when jonathan tells him this is serious and real, he mocks will by saying "he was never very good at taking care of himself" (which is already disturbing considering this is his son he's talking about, but especially so when you remember that lonnie abused will for being gay and tried to get him to like "masculine" things),

he's already talking to jonathan about seeing him more and reconnecting, like will isn't fucking missing, like he's already fucking dead and he's moved on, as if will is some stranger or worse someone that never existed at all,

instead of feeling any kind of shame about jonathan not believing him when he says will isn't there and him looking in the actual fucking trunk of his car, he just makes a joke out of it asking if jonathan's gonna check up his ass too,

his neglect is brought up again when jonathan slams one of the posters to his chest and tells him "in case you forgot what he looks like",

and that's not even touching on the fact that the very first thing we see lonnie do when jonathan enters the house is fucking shove and pin him to the wall, telling him "you got stronger".

like, he is not a good man in the slightest—the complete antithesis of the byers we know.

and then afterward... lonnie finally decides to come back. he's being nice to joyce and pretending like he's the man of the house again. like he's finally come home to fix and save his family.

he goes to will's funeral and treats it like a schmoozing event, like that isn't his youngest son being buried right in front of him, showing less emotion than one of will's classmates that hasn't ever even talked to him.

but... he's not there because he's had a sudden change of heart.

no, he's there because he has something to gain out of this unimaginable tragedy. his own youngest son is dead and he comes back home to collect a fucking check for it. because he's never cared about will, hasn't ever even seen him as a human being, he just... sees his death as something he can benefit from.

it's just so fucked up and so sinister. lonnie isn't a man riddled with vices, beholden to some disease which makes him act in ways most unbecoming. no, he's... just a man. a small, manipulative, and cruel leech of a man that just doesn't fucking care and is in it only for himself.

it's just... it's really tragic to think that will really was dealing with monsters way before that first demogorgon ever came through the gate.

and even then... that demogorgon was an animal acting as animals do / possessed by vecna and you can't really blame it for that. but what's lonnie's excuse, huh?

#like. hashtag felt lmao #a lot of ppl write lonnie as an alcoholic and i feel like ... lonnie just being a bad person because he Is a bad person without the help of #any vices is just... so much more terrifying and painful. #because then it's just lonnie. just a man who doesn't care about his son. a man who views his baby boy as less than a bug. a man who #doesn't care or hold any affection in his heart because he just simply does not fucking want to or care to. he doesn't care if will is in #danger. he doesn't care if will is dead at the bottom of the quarry. he doesn't care not because he's drunk or high but just.. because. #he couldn't turn will into what he thinks is a proper man so in his mind he's thinking well.. if i can't get anything out of him like that #then i'm at least gonna get my money's worth with this wrongful death case. #a man making the choice to be evil. to inflict pain purposely. for no gain whatso-fucking-ever. #bc at least vecna does it to gain more power to achieve world domination. but lonnie is just a piece of shit that abuses kids. #water is wet lmao but... i feel like stranger things manages to be so fucking dark sometimes and yet it just... it's treated so normally #that you almost don't even notice it. bc ur just viewing this story from the perspective of a character and for them it IS normal #i just. yeah. idk. Thinking Thotz Over Here #it's so fucked up when u stop to think abt it lmao like. if will doesn't get his happy ending bro....... #abuse tw #byers #lonnie #mine

[beep-beep-robin]

stranger things as random pictures from my camera roll

eddie:

steve:

robin:

nancy (@ steve):

will:

vecna:

+ bonus:

#pls no one even has to reblog this this was so fun to do lmao #can you tell i‘m autistic by what i have saved in my camera roll?? can you? bahhaa #stranger things #stranger things textposts #steddie #robin buckley #eddie munson #byler #steve harrington #ronance #nancy wheeler #vecna #will byers #stranger things meme #autistic eddie munson #autistic robin buckley #original post

[maddy-ferguson]

controversial opinion but i dont think the duffers set up byler well, lets be real most of the fandom outside of our echo chamber doesn't think byler is going to become canon. and like idk but i agree that they should have at least broken up mlvn and resolved the monologue issue (preferably not include it even) if they were going for the byler route. same for will's importance or even mike's importance for the plot. removing them from the show's main narrative doesn't make a good case for their importance in the story in the penultimate, esp when they received minimum screentime in this season. it's not the audience's fault to think mlvn is endgame or will or mike are unimportant when the way they've been handled were lackluster and when cali plot.... Was Like That. plus they gave it all to el's character lol. ofc ppl gonna think she's the protagonist when she was the one who opened the gate and created vecna and when mike spends the entire season talking about her. redpill but it's not making much sense here when the narrative is criticized in the byler fandom, acting like the writers did a perfect job in terms of setup is just being wilfully blind atp.

i think people not expecting it is the point though. like yeah it's obvious because when they did the same thing on a smaller scale with nancy's love triangle at the end of season 1 (her spending most of the season with jonathan them bonding and her and steve fighting but then still being together in the epilogue) most people could see that jonathan and nancy were gonna be together and not one person was called delusional for thinking that. but i really think the juxtaposition is the point, it's a queer couple so even with a similar storyline people don't expect it because of heteronormativity etc which is kind of depressing but it's also what's gonna make it happening even better...#imho

for the monologue, obviously i don't ENJOY IT but i don't hate it because i think it's interesting for el? whether you think she believed him or not, whether or not you think she was gonna break up with him at sbp, i think having him tell her he loves her makes it so no one can be like "but if mike had said he loved her everything would've been fine!" i like them going all the way in that sense. i think it's good for us as an audience to have that, this way there's no what ifs. it makes it apparent that their relationship couldn't be fixed by mike saying i love you and also that their fight in lenora wasn't only about mike and about their relationship, like mike never thought she was a monster that was all el, and him telling her that she's not a monster won't fix that internal struggle for her. and it also won't help her grow beyond the monster/superhero dichotomy.

i don't like will and mike being away from the supernatural plot either but yk i do think it's because they're important for the resolution of that storyline and that that's also supposed to come as a surprise. for mike well i don't actually know that he is, but i certainly know will is and i think they did set that up pretty well. he's not in episode 7 but they reveal that the upside down is frozen on the day he disappeared, he's in hawkins for five minutes but the season ends with him talking about his connection to vecna and everyone and their mother is reminded of the fact that will is a vital part of the supernatural plot. people don't necessarily think he's gonna be the key to resolving the upside down and vecna thing for good (no matter what that looks like, i'm expecting it to be both el and will because it kind of is the el show + we'll fix it together + lucas and erica (siblings) being the mvps of the basketball game and the dnd game that has a lot of foreshadowing in episode 1 etc) because el's the one who's always done it pretty much by herself...but it's also never worked. not for long anyway. i would say that like byler (but not as shocking because it's not someone assumed to be straight turning out to be gay) it's supposed to make people go oh why have i never thought of that of course will would be an integral part of the ud resolution this makes so much sense!!! when it happens. and characters also always expect el to be the one to fix it just like they don't expect byler to happen. meta.

and again i don't LOVE mike and will's thing being the conversational roadtrip only in season 4, but i get why they did it like i see the vision. i see where you're coming from and i agree that most people not seeing byler coming isn't necessarily their fault (even though i said it's similar to nancy's s1 triangle and everyone expected it then. nancy never gave steve an i love you i've loved you forever i'll love you forever speech, major difference), i really think it's NOT supposed to be that obvious. even though it is kind of. i get wishing they had broken up mlvn in volume 2 and i certainly would've liked not having to see bylers be called delusional 24/7 but i think mlvn breaking up would've made byler endgame wayy too obvious and if they wanted it to be obvious to the girls that get it only i think they've accomplished that. same with will and the supernatural plot. and everyone is free to not like it still, i just don't think that means the set up isn't good.

very last paragraph. i don't think everything they've ever written is perfect. i don't even think every decision that's been made by the st team regarding WILL's queerness is perfect like (this is another conversation) having noah deny the gay allegations on will's behalf a month before having him say oh yeah he is gay it's obvious is crazy to me it's no surprise that people feel like it's an afterthought and like byler is never gonna happen. even though i obviously disagree with them. fin.

#parenthesis inception #obviously i think the monologue is also interesting for mike and for byler and for will depending on how they deal with it in s5 (can you #imagine hearing your bff that you happen to be in love with tell your new sister who saved your life a bunch of times that he's in love #with her that's bad enough but also that his life started the day he met her which also happens to be about 24 hours after your life change #4ever in the worst possible way like you were fighting for your life in the ud and he makes it sound like #he was having a great time and falling in love and yeah he was #looking for you but also finding himself a girlfriend and that's the thing he'll remember for the rest of his life. you're being mean stop #it wouldn't even be enough in this situation like i would have a very hard time believing that my bff i'm in love with loves me back or #even cares about me at all. but yk i'm not the duffer brothers' oc who knows what they'll do) #el fixing it and it not lasting long is also true of everyone trying to fight the ud with guns btw like yeah nancy is very badass and it's #great that she...likes firearms? idk. idk how to say it but i get that it's a positive thing for her character but at the end of the day #vecna literally walked away lmao like that was not a win #ask

[thelostsisters]

max going to vecna’s house and demanding him to possess her when he was quite literally just chilling in his living room, and then trauma dumping to him in his attic before he even had a chance to fully hook himself up to his vines is actually too funny

#like he wasn’t even trying to kill her that night 💀 they probably could have waited for el to get back in town tbh #i mean he even told nancy to tell el about what he showed her so he was probably waiting for her to return anyway lmao #max im sorry baby but the hawkins group was way too overconfident going into that 💀 #stranger things #stranger things 4 #max mayfield #st vecna #vecna stranger things #henry creel

[skythanlmao]

they would have made us ship melvin like we ship lumax but they didn't

#do you understand? #they didn't #it's their choice not us #it's the duffers #if they aren't gonna make byler lmao wtf is even this? #byler #btw i ship lumax with whole heart #they are my second fav ship on st after byler #and so cool of duffers to make byler and lumax suffer #no cuz i'm a beleiver that max will come to life in s5 #she should come #how she can die? #vecna is having her sould idc and i hope someone tooks her soul away from him and put it into her body #idk give me max alive make byler and lumax kiss and give me will byers main character again

[flaringgoosebumps]

It doesn't matter what the context of Mike Wheeler getting Vecna'd would be, to me it's just paralleling the "I know your secret, your dirty little secret" scene from the homophobic clown movie.

#even it was will #thats what its gonna feel like lmao #stranger things spoilers #stranger things s4 #stranger things #mike wheeler #richie tozier #it chapter two #pennywise #vecna #gay parallel #parallel #clown cw #gay #bisexual #pansexual #gay panic #i know your secret #your dirty little secret #byler

[cuethemulti]

Joseph is just mad that Jamie is only at the con for the weekend 😔

#Jamie is not even there yet and Joseph starting to clown him lmao #jamie campbell bower #joseph quinn #stranger things #grace van dien #vecna

[williamscigar]

I could see a conversation between Henry and Eleven in s5 going like this tbh

Considering the fact that she's going to try and enter vecna's mind to find max ? I suppose? She's going to see things from Henry's perspective and what he went though etc. Still, William ( he literally said The devils are here on earth and I must erase all of them ) and Henry are heavily paralleled ( along with Johan ) so it wouldn't come as a suprise for me if Henry chooses to die but ends up being saved ( like William does but Sherlock tells him to make the harder choice for himself and continue to live ).

Still she's been through a lot and i don't know if she'll be that understanding of him.

Anyway,,, irrelevant speculations 😭

#i wouldn't be surprised if he has a similar ending to Johan's even tbh lmao #anyway #just thoughts #I'll be waiting season 5 for pure facts atp #henry creel #stranger things #vecna

[shinebrightlikeanarwhal]

Will trying to paint:

Vecna fresh from a nap: Why is that wheeler boy in the center?

Will: because he’s the heart of the group?

Vecna:

Will:

Vecna: you have to be the most in denial disaster gay I’ve ever known…

Vecna: he’s the YOUR heart but the groups heart is clearly the silly one with no collar bones. Dustin? Ducky? Whatever his name is.

#vecna/henry/one #vecna #henry creel #stranger things season 4 #stranger things #stranger things 4 #will byers #mike wheeler #dustin henderson #Vecna is disappointed in his baby gay #he possessed the worst of them #even Lucas had less emotional drama for one person and he faced blatant racism #Vecna bullying Will in curlers and a robe #i live how i just completely throw out vecnas voice and only use Jamie lmao #byler #will x mike #mike x will

[sennqu]

anyway. if Will were Vecna'd and got saved similarly to Max i.e. remembering good memories that made him feel life was worth living... what memories would he see? because from where I'm standing, most of his happy memories are directly tied to unhappy ones too.

#ku blarghs #will byers #stranger things #stranger things season 4 #i guess we have that DnD scene with the party in S1? #then uh. all the happy Mike scenes #when Jonathan told him it was better to be a freak than to be normal? #mmm. what else #it'll mostly just be #byler #moments huh. lmao #but would that even work if Vecna taunts him about his feelings for Mike? #so in conclusion. it's EXTREMELY likely they'll have to find another way to save him #strangely blogging