#JOHNLOCK WASN'T FUCKING QUEERBAITING

[k-chips]

You guys use the word "queerbaiting" for every fucking thing and it's annoying.

Two guys with a cool relationship and good chemistry that could be seen as a ship but aren't canon, aren't "queerbaiting".

Two guys that are hinted to be in a relationship but aren't verbally and officially confirmed, aren't "queerbaiting".

When other characters joke about two guys being in a relationship even if they're not, it's not "queerbaiting".

#JOHNLOCK WASN'T FUCKING QUEERBAITING #destiel wasn't fucking queerbaiting #you know what is queerbaiting? #the shitty loki series #which PROMISED to have genderfluid and bisexual rep in it and then it DIDN'T #this is queerbaiting #ships #fandom #ship #fanon ship #otp #Johnlock #destiel #loki #gay ships #gay ship #queerbaiting

[lionheartedmusings]

"richarlyson #1 4halo hater" you don't understand, my boy had the same reaction that johnlock shippers did when it wasn't canon. they queerbaited this egg too much, he turned into a hater. an anti. it's fucking hilarious.

#qsmp #qsmp richas #qsmp richarlyson

[therehavebeenstranger]

BBC Sherlock might be completely unwatchable to me now and also I may rag on it and call it irrelevant and I've forgotten 80% of it but I WILL still fight tooth and nail with anyone who says johnlock wasn't queerbait as fuck in that show. I remember what they did to those ugly british men. I remember what they put those fujoshis through. the gaslighting. the zigzagging. the same string cords played over and over (<- just a general gripe) and I wont let anyone say different. Arthur Conan Doyle wrote queerbait too but he gets a pass because he really did do it on accident

bbc sherlock is only completely unwatchable to you bc it mostly sucks but you're literally right. there are scenes in that show that literally do not make any sense if they're not supposed to be gay/queerbaiting. somebody explain why they put the scene with john and irene in the power station where she's like "you love him" "im not gay" "well i am" like............TELL ME WHY THATS THERE

[inevitably-johnlocked]

Hi!

In the latest update about frustration™ about canon (subtextual) Johnlock:

JOHN DIDN'T HAVE TO GRAB SHERLOCK'S NAPE SO SOFTLY IN THE SIGN OF THREE AND THAT TOO RIGHT IN FRONT OF MARY WHEN EVERYONE ELSE WAS DANCING AFTER THE RECEPTION!!!

*exhales* I'm fine now! (Really not.)

(I mean, he might as well touch his forehead with Sherlock in that scene, why didn't he? I've yet to see a nape grab happen in fiction outside of the romantic context, that too if the grabber has been recently married, with the wife standing right there, but whatever.)

Bye bye!

LISTEN I haven't been okay since that episode aired. I mean it wasn't just that one either...

Like this whole episode fucked me up so much. Like, this is the episode that MADE TJLC a THING. This was a wedding episode that SHOWED NO WEDDING.

It showed a "best man ask" that looked like a proposal.

It showed the groom and the best man DRESSED EXACTLY ALIKE LOOKING LIKE A COUPLE greeting guests.

It showed Sherlock being the one shown giving vows.

Every time they cut back to wide shots of the head table, John and Sherlock are ALWAYS front and centre, and contrasted SO MUCH against the background that the bride and maid of honour are washed into it.

This whole episode Mary was a bloody afterthought. A wedding is traditionally thought of as "the bride's day" but like... The whole reception is about John and Sherlock.

Like, what did Mofftiss THINK the audience would think??? Why WOULDN'T we think S4 was queerbaiting after THIS being a midpoint episode in the entire series and NOT have these two TOGETHER at the end AS the couple?

It's frustrating because TSo3 is one of my fave episodes, but it's hard to not see it as one giant "gay joke" after S4. I'm glad I love this episode to bits that it overrides that thought.

#steph replies #shitposting steph #tso3 #my thoughts #tso3 meta #sherlock and john's relationship arc

[69-toojay]

I used to love BBC Sherlock so fucking much when I was like fourteen or something and it kinda got me into the Sherlock Holmes universe so when I watched the finale I was actually legitimately overjoyed because omigod fucking god they're living together no wives or girlfriends and raising a baby together and the whole finale was about Sherlock rescuing John. I thought everyone perceived it as canon Johnlock but then I found out how violently homophobic the actors and everyone involved in the production of the show were post finale. And how derisive the straight fans were, it was a specific brand of potent hostility I'd never encountered before up until then and have never seen since in such intensity. The thing is I still maintain bbc johnlock was not even queerbait, it was just textbook gaslighting at that point. They made a pair canonically queer then called us every name under the sun for seeing that it was queer. Anyway that was just one facet of it that made the show age badly to me.

I also hate shows with a white male protagonist who uses his " neurodivergent genius intellect" as an excuse to be an absolutely garbage person, because it attracts a specific kind of male demographic that try to emulate this condescend whilst completely missing the irony of the purposeful character flaw.

Despite everything I did love that show with my whole heart as a kid, and I missed it so much, I loved Andrew Scott's camp as fuck Moriarty, Lara Pulvers Irene made me go wELL fuCk If I wasn't Gay BeFoRe. But after everything that particular adaptation has perhaps permanently soured for me. I hoped one day I could go back to it without wincing at the scene where John hits Sherlock because he blames him for Mary's death because I read some sort of meta internalised homophobia into it. But I realised even though I'm grateful to bbc johnlock for making me fall in love with the ship it's just an adaptation. There's millions of better ones out there, bbc doesn't have be an end all be all and I've also only read one acd canon book. So not all is lost and maybe I will go back to Johnlock just not through that door.

#bbc sherlock #Moftiss #tjlc #sherlock fandom #sherlockbbc #mary morstan #jim moriarty #sherlock holmes #john watson #irene adler #acd sherlock holmes

[izzymeadows]

Okay some of you NEED to read this.

Johnlock wasn't queerbaiting. The show never tried to make them look romantic, even if they did look romantic sometimes, and the showrunners made a fucking point of saying they weren't gonna be a pairing. If anything, the show made a point of mocking the fans for shipping the characters. Remember that there's an episode where the characters spend like 15 minutes reading theories about what happened to Sherlock and Moriarty and mocking them. It's a very obvious, very clumsy way to make fun of the fans of the show and their theories and fanfics, and honestly, i don't know how they got away with it to the point of still having enough audience to make another season after that.

Klance was only partially queerbaiting. Netflix totally used the interest of the fans on the ship for marketing purposes, which is a way of queerbaiting, and iirc some of the voice actors said they shipped it as well, but here's the thing: the show itself never treated them as anything remotely romantic. They were rivals that became friendly rivals. Lance was consistently written as annoyingly heterosexual and spent a big part of the show openly interested in Allura. And Keith's most important relationship through the whole show was with Shiro. Most of the disappointment was on the fans themselves, not on the show, because Klance is very obviously written as platonic.

Byler would absolutely be queerbaiting. They would have used Will's feelings to help a straight pairing and he, the only male gay character of the show, would be the only one not only to not get his happy ending, but also to not have had a romantic relationship in the whole show. They also made a bunch of merch of his painting, an expression of his feelings for Mike. It would be a total queerbait because it would be inside and outside the show. Byler is undoubtedly written in the show and not going on with it would be deceiving the whole audience, not only the Byler shippers.

It is indeed not the same. Byler would be way worse than anything you might have felt with the other pairings, because the other cases ARE cases of fanon ships that people took more seriously than they were. None of them were written as romantic in their respective stories. Byler is, to the point that not making it endgame would make the whole show objectively worse.

#byler #let's be serious #this would probably be the biggest queerbait ever #stop saying it would be like johnlock or klance it would be way worse #it would be fucking up the writing of the show to make something that's been built up to since s1 not happen

[will80sbyers]

You said you were involved in the Sherlock conspiracy.

Out of everyone, you should know that Bylers basically are doing the same thing as the Johnlock fandom. It is important to recognize that this behavior has its roots in a legitimate concern - lack of representation. However, it is important to realize that both of these fandom places are coming from the same mentality.

It creates myths in terms of analyzing media - such as believing showrunners would use a character's sexuality as a plot twist to catch most of the audience by surprise, and this would be progressive somehow.

we already talked about this a lot in the past in this fandom...

I was only lurking and reading stuff/ watching the videos about it for sherlock but I never 100% believed it would happen, I was still not sure because it wasn't as obvious as byler, it was a bunch of stuff you could explain differently and the writers explicitly were making fun of it

byler is not the same as johnlock or any other queerbaiting ship... the writers are not hiding it at all and there is no conspiracy like for tjlc where the writers TOLD US that it was not happening many times but WE REFUSED TO LISTEN

the situation with byler is very different

it's never taken as a joke, the actors talk about it as a real possibility, the writers have avoided commenting on it even when BYLER SCRIPT was trending on twitter!

the show NEVER makes fun of Will's feelings for Mike

in sherlock there were TONS of awful offensive jokes about it and we thought it was all because it was happening but in reality it was fucking Moffat and Gatiss two idiots assholes making fun of us for hoping it would happen!!!!

this is not the same situation

and most of all Byler makes sense for the narrative!

Mike is shown on screen acting in a way that does not make sense if he doesn't have feelings for Will too

There are parallels that can't be a coincidence, the Vickie and Robin parallel is INTENTIONAL

johnlock was very different under every way and it was on a fucking awful network the BBC when being gay was still heavily censored in TV

now stranger things is on NETFLIX in 2024

byler is happening, prepare yourself.

#byler #will byers #mike wheeler #ask

[worstqueerbaittournament]

For the last time, people (not you, mod, you haven't submitted them after all) Aziraphale and Crowley's story is not queerbait.

Not labeling a relationship doesn't make it queerbait...

They're canonically genderless, for fucks' sake and we're free to pick an interpretation wherever we're in favor of a qpr relationship, an unlabeled one, a romantic one etc.

It was only ever said that it's not a gay story in the sense that Aziraphale and Crowley aren't male, they're genderless celestial beings.

It's not that deep and I think it disheartening to see such a beautifully written relationship -that can bring together romance-repulsed and shippers together- been deemed queerbait.

(Also, do you need all the love stories you read precising THIS IS A LOVE STORY in bold letters ?? Understated romances are a thing and can be just as great as explicited ones)

It's not like Pratchett and Gaiman have never written great openly queer characters before... Have never of you submitters read Discworld or Sandman before ??? You're aware these works are older than many of you and were -and still are- especially meaningful to queer people when they came out, right ?

Seeing those on a list with Merthur and BBC Johnlock is sad. (Again, this is not against you, mod). Fuck it, Azi and Crowley don't get unnecessary feminine-presenting love interests or something so heteronormative.

I used to scorn at the 'tumblr ppl have bad reading comprehension' stuff but I'm starting to be incredibly concerned when people can't distinct between well-meaning and supportive allies and guys like. fucking Moff*t

Also wanting to make queer stories looking all the same and limited to a restrictive frame is even more deeply concerning when variety and diversity are the heart of the queer community and it contributes to the pressure to come out to be "a true queer" since only relationships who tick all the cases made up by cishet ppl are recognized

You know how we say that straight relationships in media are all the same ? Do you want that for our relationships too ?

This would be laughable if it wasn't so damn sad.

- A quite upset queer person (I'll bite the first imbecile who'll tell me I shouldn't use a slur to describe myself, this whole text is about your kind of people, pal)

Hey anon, I understand how you feel, but like I said before, I won't decide what does and doesn't count as a queerbait. (Unless the ship is actually canon.) I know Ineffable Husbands is controversial (hence the tag lol), and while I would agree with you and am personally also on the Crowley and Aziraphal are queerplatonic/genderqueer and canonly queer side, I understand people who wanted more confirmartion of it (and no, comfirmation doesn't have to be a kiss. It could be them talking more about their gender). Because yes, a lot of cishet people don't read Az and Crowley are queer, so I understand why people wanted more. But again, I'm just the mod and I would appriciate people staying kind and not yelling (especially not at me preferably). Like always, I'm gonna let you guys decide.

#other polls #i can see both sides #pls dont yell at me #ineffable husbands #good omens #answered

[ladyofthelake]

this is the worst fucking take I've ever seen on this hellsite xD

I have watched neither of these so I am a neutral party but I do have to say it’s a little funny to see so many Merlin stans in the notes so incensed over the idea of losing to an anime as if a 2008 bbc queerbait show completely overshadowed by its contemporaries superwholock is really that much more of a high brow piece of media

Overshadowed by what? Johnlock? yikes lmaoo and you do know that superwholock was peak cringe era?

also Merlin wasn't queerbait *sigh* platonic love exists

#sigh #weebs are assholes #okay Im done posting about these people they've annoyed me lol #and I just wanna bask in merlin again #no offence to johnlock but yeah

[mrsmarymorstan]

I couldn't agree more with your tags about "queerbaiting" in Loki, having two male characters who aren't related to each other, and are within 10~ years of each others ages (actor-wise) interact in a mostly friendly way isn't queerbaiting.

Like I understand people being sad about lack of interaction between these characters or whatever, but I feel like there was barely even subtext.

I'm not beyond admitting that I was a defiant johnlock and destiel shipper back in the day, but this really wasn't that. To be clear, I am queer, but really? Was Disney gonna have Loki and a 52 year old comedy actor kiss? To be their first ever queer couple in over 10 years of producing movies?

Sorry for ranting about something that's not even a problem lmao I haven't slept in 2 days and I need to scream about this to SOMEONE

Please find time to at least rest! Close your eyes and breathe and that will help!

Yeah, I keep hearing about "Queerbaiting in the MCU" and maybe I'd agree to that with Steve/Bucky or Peggy/Angie.... but Loki/Mobius just felt like you had two characters with good chemistry. There were no romantic dinners, no long lingering gazes, no implication of soul mates or references to historical queer media. No interview highlights where they implied that Loki and Mobius were going to get together!

(And I don't ever take prying interview questions into account as acknowledgement of Queer Baiting because nobody can be expected to give a nuanced answer in a 2 minute improvised soundbite.)

What we DID get, however, was a canonically Bisexual Loki!! Which I imagine was very hard to get SAID ALOUD! Combined with Bisexual lighting so there could be no doubt about it.

Did it end up with Selfcest? Yeah, it did. Which might not be great, but Loki has also fucked a horse so this is just baby stuff. Plus "Would You Fuck A Clone Of Yourself?" is an ongoing meme and debate.

I saw someone calling it incest? That she was RELATED to him??? No. She IS him. They are the same person. That's not incest, that's multiversal-masturbation.

Whether you think that's okay or not, is your personal decision.

I think that we are likely to get more queer content on Disney+ in the future, especially since we now have 3 Openly Queer Young Avengers as confirmed in the MCU (4 if you include Eli/Patri-not).

We saw that Marvel are willing to put queer characters into their TV Series as proved by Runaways, which was cancelled but DID exist.

I would say we've not had any Queerbaiting as of yet, but be prepared because we might just be about to be given the biggest amount of bait to ever exist!

Confirmation of Queer Characters, who are never allowed to state that they're Queer.

Dr Strange... the pressure is on.

EDIT:

For clarification, I do not think that Loki was an example of GOOD queer representation. It was an example of a show with queer characters though, who were said to be queer, and so it is not Queerbait. And Mobius not having a defined sexuality and not being in a relationship with Loki also does not make it Queerbait, because at no point in the series was them being a couple implied to be a canon outcome beyond the viewer's personal interpretation.

#MCU #Young Avengers #Loki (TV) #Loki Spoilers #replies #anon #marvel

[thesharondefenseleague]

Yesss thank you for bringing up the Sam Bucky queerbaiting like the moment they ended up on top of each other?

They knew absolutely what they were doing how it could be seen and that there was an audience out there that would love that indication that they were appealing to with that content. But of course its just to get their money and views and they never intend to follow through on that indication and loose their homophobic fans.

So ya absolute queer bait. Steve and Bucky never had moments like that. Ya they had dramatic maybe slightly cheesy heartfelt dialogue but thats not the same thing.

I so often see SteveBucky on the same list as Destiel or Johnlock for like examples of queerbaited couples and it seems like fans just see queerbaiting as any duo that could have had romantic potential that they liked and wasn't made canon. And like i get it you feel strongly for your otp.

But don't call it queerbaiting when its not. Especially next to those more insidious queerbaiting examples. That makes people think its a shipping thing rather than a minipulative marketing tactic that is often at the expense of minority group that craves representation.

There is that joke about straight girls being the ones who ship these gay ships and get salty about not seeing their favs make out. But there are alot of lgbt people who ( no suprise) gravitate towards these non straight ships too.

So many times ive seen teen girls get shit on for shipping gay ships calling it them fetishizing gay men just for having gay ships and later see that they were actually either not straight or not girls or both. They were just struggling with their sexuality not ready to come out and gravitated towards reprentations of things that were less heteronormative but wasn't associated exclusively with gay people.

And while im sure there were straight people out there who really wanted their gay otp to be canon its the young lgbt people who gonna get screwed over the most by this queerbaiting. They were young and hopeful and thought this mainstream thing they loved was validating them when it was really just leading them on for views. This isnt exclusive to lgbt people either.

Ive seen this happen with black characters too where the promise of them being important and relevant is used to draw in a black people get them watching to drive up viewership and then sideline them ( like say in Star Wars).

Its one thing if you want to put in representation and arent allowed to so you imply as much as possible. You see that often with childrens television for example. But this is almost the opposite of that. Its more insidious and often despite purposely baiting in show they will gaslight in interviews and say fans are reading too much into it. And sometimes there will later be evidence that baiting was discussed in the writers room.

Its all a huge dick move that people are complaining about and putting in say Stucky ,which didnt do that, on the same queerbaiting list of Johnlock or Destiel, which did, kinda makes that level of queerbaiting into just fan favorite gay ships that didn't become canon and people are salty.

Yeah, one of those ships is not like the others. There are a few video essays online about how queerbaiting was used to get fans while the creators simultaneously (for J/L, we all know what happened on 5 November) denied it would be canon. Steve and Bucky on the other hand haven’t been given the J/L treatment. Queerbaiting has to be on the J/L levels of insidious or the Betty and Veronica kissing in the trailer and going right into nowhere levels of baiting for views.

But Sam and Bucky. Is this why we don’t see Sam paired with anyone? Is Sam closeted?? Seriously, let’s run with this. What if Sam is closeted, because it’s hard enough to be a black man who is in the army, then a superhero who is an extremely public figure (because forget secret identities), who is then Captain America and probably the most famous person in the world, and here’s this guy who he wants to be friends with and also kind of prove his worth to, and he’s fun to mess around with, but fuck he’s kind of cute, with that face he makes when he’s messed with, and then you roll around in a field like that...

I would like to point out that in these past few years, we have collectively grown out of a time where m/m ships had a lot of fetishization in fandom. I don’t think we realize it, but I remember how much there used to be (and especially trans fetishization, I haven’t seen that in years when that used to be a huge thing). It’s nice that now we can see these characters as more human and less thing to get off to. And it does have a lot to do with LGBTQ+ fans given more of a voice in fandom. That being said, you can’t just say Steve and Bucky are queerbaited. The writers and directors have never once used that idea to sell you on their films. Their actors have never once played it up for the camera to mess with their fans. The only character that has that is Peggy. (Someone else remembers those being a thing with Agent Carter, right??) And in a time where Marvel is going to have canon queer relationships on-screen, we need to show support of them and stand for the characters who risk having their identities erased, especially when teams like the Young Avengers come around.

But also there is a lot of subtext to support that Sam could have a coming out narrative that I don’t think will ever happen, but would be a plot twist conclusion to the #givecapaboyfriend movement from way back. I mean, Sam has deliberately not been given a romantic story. This could be why. (But don’t hold out for it. Oh god, what if Sam and Bucky are the queerbaited ship??? Another plot twist.)

~Mod R

[love-y-o-u-3000]

I was a johnlocker but not a tjlcer because I thought they were just queerbaiting, so I wasn't expecting an explicit canon johnlock but I can say that I was expecting a GOOD season 4 and we didn't get it. It was so horrible and confusing that even my casual friends hated it. Why can't those people of the cast and crew accept that they fucked up? Why blame the audience if s4 was not well received? Honestly, I've never come accross a cast (exception for Andrew) so hateful towards their fans.

Well, Martin is usually, 99.99% of time, very kind and lovely towards his fans, it’s just that, sometimes when you mention Ben or johnlock, he comes off sounding a little, well, harsh

#Anonymous

[mstandsformoon]

Reading my old diary from January 2017 is an experience tbh

#the day shermit happened #pages and pages of me rambling about how scared i was that they wouldn't go through with it and queerbait us #pages and pages going on about how that wasn't possible because it's either johnlock or absolute trash and that can't be right #pages i fucking ripped out and glued together again just being salty and heartbroken about a fucking show #one breakdown after the next like honestly i don't even remember that it was that bad omh #*omg #sherlock #wow i'm so pathetic #my txt. #when i watched the russian leak omg #also there's like 6 pages just covered in the words i want to break free over and over again lol #the turkish leak w the subtitles omg #haha i'm laughing at myself even tho this was literal hell

[sherlock]

I'm surprised you are still about Sherlock considering that major queerbaiting they did. The trailer showed a scene where Sherlock told John he loved him yet this scene wasn't in any of the episodes

Alright, I keep getting messages like this so I’m just going to answer one and have that be it. I’m upset about what’s happened, too. This show has been the most central focus of my life for five years. I love this show more than anything else I’ve ever been interested in and Johnlock was the largest factor in that. I’ve been openly part of the TJLC community for years. I love this show. I painted the wallpaper on my wall, it stares me right in the face every time I walk in the fucking room. I love this show. This show has helped me through so many hard times and been there for me when I needed it most. This show and the people I’ve met because of it are what played the largest factor in me coming to learn more about myself and my own sexuality. This show has made me so inexplicably happy for so long, and Johnlock specifically. I am hurt and disappointed and upset by things that have happened with the most recent season and I’m extremely let down by what we didn’t get. 

That being said, everything that happened up until season four still happened and I still love all of that. I still stand by the belief that Johnlock is real, that Sherlock is gay, that him and John love one another and are in love. This is one of the biggest things in my life that brings me happiness. If that means ignoring shit I hate about Season 4 for the sake of my mental health and wellbeing then I’m going to continue to enjoy that about the show that I loved. 

As a final note in response to your last comment: The ‘I love you scene’ was in the trailer, as well as the episode. It was bait and as much as we all wanted it to be for John it was taken out of context and unfortunately it was essentially nothing. I’m just as upset and hurt about all of this, but I’m doing what I can to stay positive. You’re not the only one coming to my inbox insinuating that I should be dropping this show altogether. But if I did that my mental health and wellbeing would plummet and I just can’t afford that. I’m going to focus on what has always made me happy about this show as I go forward with it. Johnlock. TJLC. The people I’ve met. The community I know. It’s the only thing I know how to do.

#if you want to call it denial or coping or whatever then go ahead #I'm doing what I can to stay positive right now because real life is shit #and it's been that way for years #and this show has always been there for me #so i'm doing the only thing i know to do #and that's turn to the things in sherlock that make me happy #hey nonny nonny #Step into the Light

[inevitably-johnlocked]

That's kind of a weird question, but : when watching TFP for the first time, when in the episode did you understand that Johnlock wasn't gonna happen, that it was all just queerbaiting ?

Hey Nonny!

I actually had my suspicions by the end of T6T, to be honest, but decided to give TLD a chance since historically the second episode is usually the one where their relationship status with each other changes. When Sherlock was on drugs for the whole episode (which felt out of character for me if Sherlock was trying to keep John in his life) and then “The Scene” happened at the morgue and I was really angry. The Hug was just sort of... a bandaid over a gaping wound in my heart. I still love the hug with my life, but it just... doesn’t make up for the characterizations of Sherlock and John in the entirety of what we had see up until then. Then the first 5 minutes of TFP solidified it with me, especially since I watched the leak, because I was JUST WAITING for the episode to “fuzz out” like a poor reception, and it kept going. 

I was pretty upset, NOT initially because of the lack of Johnlock, but because THE STORY MADE NO FUCKING SENSE, and then they just DRAGGED all the characters. It was ridiculous. Honestly I didn’t really think we would get confirmation until S5 early on in my blogging career (then TAB sort of changed my mind), so it wasn’t until after I sat on the episode and thought: HOLY FUCK that was queerbaiting garbage. Sandy and I we really annoyed and pissed.

So yeah, S4 made all the characters SO OOC, destroyed all the progress they made in TAB, and then just... did a 180˚ on the narrative. There are things I do genuinely like about S4, but I am a creature who needs cohesive storytelling to enjoy a thing, and this had a GREAT story until the backpedalling and inconsistencies of S4.

#steph replies #shitposting steph #s4 shitposting #my thoughts #queerbaiting #chatting with nonnies #Anonymous

[sophiehattcr]

did something happen in the sherlock fandom yesterday with the bbc? I wasn't on yesterday and now I see these text posts about BBC and I'm just trying to play catch up with the latest shitstorm

I’m not really a hugely involved with the Sherlock fandom anymore, but as far as I can tell, all that has happened is that people have been complaining directly to the BBC about what a shitshow series 4 was - in terms of writing, plot, characters, and yes - the glaring queerbaiting. But even complaints not even remotely related to the queerbaiting or the crash and burn of the Sherlock/John arc (i.e. complaints about the messy writing, the many plot holes, how Molly’s character was pigeonholed into a sexist plot device) have received responses by the BBC about Johnlock, or lack thereof, which is both incredibly amusing and also goes to show that the bulk of complaints they have received must have been about Johnlock for them to be so fixated on it. It just shows how much the writers fucked up by queerbaiting the way that they did.

#bea answers #anonymous