#NOT INVOLVING HUNTER OR CALEB OR EVELYN??

[jestercoven]

it's not fully setting in that the show is actually over and i'm probably never gonna see belos animated in any official way ever again and i'm not ready for it all to hit me like a bag of bricks. :(

#hes been my Everything since i started watching the show like a year ago #i have merch of him ive drawn him countless times ive got playlists for him #the only reason my toh oc exists is so they can be happy and married and evil together #and the main thing keeping me going through hiatus was being excited to see him again #so now thats just GONE? and it ends with him being STOMPED ON FOR THE FUNNY? #NOT INVOLVING HUNTER OR CALEB OR EVELYN?? #needless to say i am utterly heartbroken but my brain cannot process just how upset this has made me #like i still enjoyed the finale and im glad i got to see him be cool and vile and gross but. i just wanted more. #and now its over and theres not even a CHANCE of that wittebane spinoff happening that some of us have spoken about fkgbfjbgkf #im just in agony i think

[timemachineyeah]

I think it’s interesting that we learn Philip and Caleb became witch hunters to fit in to the existing culture of Gravesfield.

Because the thing about witch hunts is, there’s a lot of zealotry and tattling involved. If they weren’t a pair of traveling radicals, but rather two side characters in an ongoing town furor? That changes things.

Up until now I’ve been a little curious about the dynamic of having Philip be the younger brother. We are more used to stories where the older person has authority over the younger in a way that allows them to be despotic. Basically when you have two siblings in fiction and one is evil, it’s usually the older one. But Caleb seemed pretty chill? People with chill authority figures usually don’t grow up to do genocide? But Philip is really committed to genocide? And jealousy over your older brother getting a girlfriend is a weird thing to genocide over?

But now we learn, that’s not really the story. Or not the whole story.

This is a JoJo Rabbit situation. This is a Hitler Youth situation.

In a town that’s in a fervor to find the hidden secret evil citizens among them, kids are potentially dangerous. The children you love and care for are also the most likely to be unsavvy and get you killed. Sometimes older relatives under those circumstances have to, or at least feel like they have to, let their younger family members be indoctrinated without openly opposing it, even pretending to support it, because, well. Children talk. Often without filter. Maybe it would be okay, but

Is it worth risking one or both of you being hung in the square to test that theory?

So they get to this town. This town will hang or burn you if you aren’t pious enough. And this town defines piety by its hatred of The Devil. We are all trying to prove we hate the devil the most. And Caleb, older brother, is like, okay then. That’s what’ll keep us fed. That’s what’ll keep us safe. He’s not a zealot so much as he’s just trying to keep him and his kid brother alive and win the town’s favor. Maybe the zealotry even freaks him out a bit, but not enough. Not until he meets Evelyn.

But Philip? Philip believes. Of course he does. His brother has never made any indication to him that there’s room for doubt. No one has ever done that. At least no one whose execution he didn’t later watch with his entire community cheering it on. Because they were dangerous. Everyone knows how this neighbor got sick, how witches caused that terrible accident, how Satan tries to keep us from our eternal salvation. This is literal. This is real. This is eternal souls and cosmic reality. He’s a kid, at first. He gets indoctrinated young. He believes this.

And then they find the actual realm of demons. Actual hell. The source of all evil in the universe. Fucking obviously it is his divine calling to destroy it once and for all. Wouldn’t you? If you could end all suffering? Save everyone for eternity? Surely that is noble. Righteous. Sacred.

And how is he supposed to believe anything else? What is easier to believe: the whole world is a lie and he has been watching innocent people killed for entertainment since he was a child - which goes against everything he was ever taught and also feels fucking bad. Or: the witches used their evil magic to convince my brother they aren’t evil, which proves how evil they are. That lines up perfectly with everything I know, everything everyone around me has always said, and makes it okay that I participated in those public executions, and also gives me some good righteous anger to fuel me on a genocidal rampage for as long as I continue to exist.

In Philip’s head, he’s the center of his dramatic fantasy epic. He’s the lone hero up against the big bad. He’s going to take on the Devil himself.

Idk, I just think it’s cool that The Owl House was like, “hey, Satanic panics, fascism, and genocide are allied ideologies, perhaps even the same ideology, and it’s Bad”

Also, “societal pressure to conform enables and even encourages people to hurt those they love”. Camila tried to send Luz to camp because she didn’t want Luz to be bullied the way she had been, because Luz’s principal told her she had to. It was a gesture born out of a desire to protect her, but one that would ultimately hurt. Caleb let Philip grow up more pious than he was because it seemed safest, to protect him. Philip grew up believing in eternal damnation and righteous cruelty, something that has clearly ultimately hurt him I mean look at what he is now. Philip, meanwhile, hurt Caleb and continues to hurt his family because he thinks there’s a Right and Wrong way to exist. To be. The ultimate call for conformity. For hegemony. But he didn’t spontaneously generate this belief. It was reinforced from a young age from a society that wanted to make sure no one was deviating too much. To centralize and maintain power through manipulation, exploitation, and force.

Anyway I cannot fucking wait for Camila and Eda to meet oh my fucking god

#timemachine wuz here #the owl house spoilers #the owl house #toh spoilers #toh #philip wittebane

[jess-the-vampire]

The Human

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you know it's never been really clarified exactly to be the case, but i did get the impression based on dana's own statements that evelyn was aware of the reputation of the hunters before meeting caleb, at least in a "she's probably had a history with them" kinda way.

so i always liked the idea she always was cautious around humans, the same way caleb and philip would be around witches, with her own biases against them.

only for caleb to change her mind the same way she would change his.

it's not something that goes away overnight, but i think it's sweet

and of course birds are involved, as expected.

#my art #the owl house #toh #caleb wittebane #witteclaw #wittecouple #evelyn clawthorne #a reverse of feathers and mud au #areverseoffeathersandmudau #a reverse of feathers and mud

[sporesgalaxy]

Caleb Wittebane literally keeping me up at night with questions.

And it's all haunting me so much because it seems so realistic that we may never get the answer. These answers just aren't strictly mechanically or thematically necessary to resolve the story, not the way a bit more info on the Titans and Collectors is. What the fuck am I supposed to do if I don't know what the FUCK happened to CALEB WITTEBANE????????

it had to be that he maintained his reputation as a respected witch hunter and faked his own death and/or abduction and went to the Boiling Isles, right??

how else would he...still have a reputation as a respected witch hunter in all those books and the town statue and all that......and he maintained that up until his death because. The portal was at HIS "grave," right? was it? was it there before his grave? The story says he went back and forth....so I guess it was already there?

Why was the town crest on it? Why was it built? On the BI side, When was the Portal Door built and why? How did the witch get to the human realm the first time? Why is the portal door connected to the Wittebane's HOUSE? If Caleb was involved with witches long enough that he and Evelyn were the ones to set all of this up....how did he maintain a reputation as a witch hunter to the point that it was his legacy?

Was it a scam? Was Caleb smuggling persecuted people to the BI???? And lying to Philip about it? Lying that they died? Why would he feed into Philip hating witches? How else would he have THE REPUTATION HE HAS IN PRESENT DAY?

Was it all Philip? Did Philip lie about Caleb in the time between when Caleb left and when Philip chased him, so much that future historians bought into it? Why the fancy gravesite, then? Did Philip lie about Caleb enough to convince the whole town? How?? How much did Philip ever know about Caleb's involvement with witches?

We see him witness Caleb approaching the witch as a teenager, but it seems implied that Caleb didn't leave, or at least that Philip didn't follow him, until they were adults. Which was it, then? Did Philip know, and keep silent? Or was he in denial? Did he hope to change his brother's mind and fail? What was their relationship like while Caleb went back and forth?

Why did Philip know how the human side of the portal functioned? Did he see Caleb using it? Or is it just Philip's magic knowledge he's gained since getting to the BI?

Why did Caleb finally leave for good, if he went back and forth for a while? Was he almost caught? Did he try to bring Philip? What stopped him? Philip's attitude, or some external force like an immediate threat upon Caleb's life? If Caleb left that code under the floorboards of their house, was Philip meant to find it? If so, why didn't Philip ever find it? It sure seems like he never found it, since he didn't know where the Titan's Blood was.

How did he get to the BI originallt then? A naturally occurring water portal? Does it have to do with the graveyard being flooded? Or did he follow Caleb the moment he left, but hide his presence in the BI until later for some reason?????

#adddna #toh #toh discussion

[theanonymouslightbulb]

Luz Noceda, Belos’s Guide to the Modern Day

What if Luz’s offer to Belos wasn’t a ploy to brand him with a sigil, but instead a desperate attempt to save her friends?

When the rest of the Hexsquad (and King) arrive, they’re shocked, but Belos uses the fact that Hunter only has so long (because he has a sigil) as a bargaining chip, and everyone goes through the portal door with Belos. Afterwards he keeps Luz to serve his hero complex and keeps everyone else as proof of the demon realm’s existence. They all live in the shack (he locks them in their rooms every night), Luz has to guide him through being in the modern day.

(Random but important detail: when Luz makes Belos mad she is not directly punished, rather she’s given a choice between punishing or Belos punishing Amity twice as hard)

(Another random detail: Eda and the owl beast start to keep each other company due to being very lonely after the day of unity (most of the Boiling Isles’ population died on the day of unity))

(Yet another detail: Belos doesn’t see modern technology as evil or weird, but rather as an example of human ingenuity)

Belos eventually tells his version of the story in front of the Wittebane statues. He lies a lot (obviously) such as saying that Hunter is the son of Evelyn and Caleb and he claims Evelyn committed date r*** before she murdered Caleb (he also blames all of Hunter’s trauma responses on Evelyn’s actions instead of his own). Jacob Hopkins records Belos’s speeches and puts it on his conspiracy blog. Soon Belos decides to let Jacob record him directly (so Belos doesn’t have to be at risk of someone who knows Luz stepping in). Eventually Jacob decides to interview the witches, demon (everyone makes very sure to not let Belos know King is a titan) and “Corrupted by witches” human. Luz tries to get secret codes out by saying things in Tumblr slang and Spanish. Jacob gets worried when Luz describes Belos’s treatment of them in a way that involves the phrase “Horse Plinko” (Jacob knows Tumblr slang, and yes he gets a redemption arc)

(Also Belos might run for mayor of Gravesfield.)

More to be added.

#Modern Day Guide AU #the owl house #toh #luz toh #luz noceda #toh luz #emperor belos #belos toh #belos #toh belos #the owl house belos #philip wittebane #hunter owl house #toh hunter #hunter toh #hunter noceda #the owl house hunter #flapjack toh #the owl house au

[let-us-cultivate-our-garden]

I know we aren't gonna get one (which is fine. That's why fandom exists), but if we did, what would you like to see in a Wittebros spin off show and what would you not like to see?

The #1 thing I would NOT want to see is the Good Brother/Evil Brother dynamic with Caleb and Philip. Make this a tragic story of miscommunication, religious trauma, conformity and the failure to do so in an unforgiving society, hope, and how sometimes, the monsters win.

Caleb and Philip were orphans who became witch hunters to fit in, what started as fun and games quickly turned into the real deal and they both jumped at the call. Here was their chance after all, to finally prove to Gravesfield of their piety and goodness, that despite their failures they were of the elect, that they too, were the saints of Gravesfield. But after seeing the brutal reality of witch hunting, Caleb begins to have doubts, but he never tells Philip because he needs to fit in more than anyone. That child is too smart for his own good. Too odd and the neighbors are starting to whisper behind his back about his little brother. He has to protect Pip. It's his duty after all, that's what his father told him before---

Philip is a gifted child, studious, adventurous, fearless but struggles getting along with others. He has to remind himself not to stare at others, he doesn't mean to, though, he just spaces out at times and thinks of the millions of hairs on a spider's leg or the playful patterns the sunlight makes through the trees on the forest floor. He is steadfast in his ideals and above all, hopeful.

Caleb is drowning under the pressure of having to raise his brother--despite only being a child himself, of the gnawing doubts in his head, has he been cursed? Is God testing his faith? He feels a darkness grow within him, and for now, he's just going through the motions in life, until by chance a mysterious stranger comes in and reignites a spark of life in his chest...

Philip is unaware of all this, blissfully laboring under the belief that his brother is happy. It's Caleb; strong, wise, loving, faithful, a protecter. his world. Until one day, Caleb disappears...and comes back changed.

Caleb is distant. Still loving and all smiles but there has been a shift. Philip can't quite place it but his brother seems different somehow. He has become less involved in town affairs, not seeking out potential witches, not hanging out with Philip. His excuses are weak. Go find some friends to spend time with, Pip, he says with a vague smile. You know how well that went last time, Philip bitterly thinks.

Caleb disappears again. Philip becomes frantic. He investigates and searches high and low. No one has seen him. The town becomes suspicious. Witnesses are questioned. Philip is interrogated. Where is thy brother Caleb? Where is thy keeper?

It is surely witches, Philip realizes. That strange woman they met. This "Evelyn" if that is her Christian name.

He sets off to find his brother. Caleb has done everything for him. Mentor. Teacher. Friend. Protector. Big brother. Caleb has guided him along the proper path his whole life and now it's Philip's turn. He has to save him. He has to bring him home.

#asks #the owl house #philip wittebane #caleb wittebane #evelyn clawthorne #emperor belos

[flurrywhipdies]

If you ship Huntceda how come you have Huntlow and Lumity stuff on your blog? (And side note, why do you ship huntceda? I don’t mean any hate, I’m just curious)

Jesus this is such an old ask and I never noticed I’m so sorry

Anyway, just cuz I ship Huntceda doesn’t mean I can’t like other ships that involve Luz and Hunter. I’m a multishipper! Lumity brought me into the show in the first place. I’m meh with Huntlow, but I can still enjoy it sometimes. I sometimes reblog art of other ships since I still want to show the artists support

And why I ship Huntceda? A million reasons at this point, but to keep it simple I just found their dynamic incredibly interesting, and a fresh take among the canon ships (no hate, but aside from Raeda I find them bland now). One of the things about the ship that I find intriguing is their parallel to Caleb and Evelyn — a wild witch (Luz, Evelyn) showing the wonders of magic to a witch hunter (Hunter, Caleb). And via Flapjack too! Thanks to Them really sealed the deal for me and Huntceda occupies a large portion of my mind daily now. I can talk about them for hours.

In the end I’m a “ship and let ship” kind of guy. I don’t care what people ship as long as they mind their own business.

#flurry replies #ship wars are overrated! #let’s normalise letting multiple ships involving the same character coexist #lunter #huntceda #goldenlight #the owl house

[platinumgigi]

oh, hey, while i'm talking about Lunter, here's something that i just realized on one of my several rewatches of Thanks to Them that keeps me up at night:

For their Halloween costumes, Luz is dressed as Azura from the Good Witch Azura series, and for Hunter, he's dressed as Chief Engineer O'Bailey from the Cosmic Frontier series.

(It's also super cute that they both based their costumes off of characters from book series' that they like, I just realized that they have that in common.)

But onto my main point:

Earlier in the episode, they present Hunter as intending on going out into the average, everyday human world dressed in that costume, because after reading Cosmic Frontier, it's basically the only concept of "human male fashion" that he knows. Of course it's neither up-to-date nor remotely realistic, but they emphasize that this is what Hunter considers a good human disguise.

So. When you take that into consideration.

Luz and Hunter's Halloween costumes.

ARE A WITCH AND A HUMAN.

I swear to GOD if this show never intended on Luz and Hunter ever being romantically involved then WHY do they keep paralleling Caleb and Evelyn. Like it's so soulmates/destiny/reincarnated lovers that I cannot STAND IT anymore. 😭😭

And it especially gets me too that during the Haunted Hayride, we're constantly given Luz and Hunter's reactions to the story of the Brothers Wittebane.

While yeah, sure, I know they're the only ones who actually know anything about the story and has any sort of importance to them at the time, but when they keep showing us Luz and Hunter between the reveal of Evelyn and how she "enticed" Caleb into joining her in the Boiling Isles? And with a depiction of Flapjack no less?? When Luz was the one who brought Flapjack and Hunter together in Hunting Palismen???

Like, view these two's relationship however you want, you're totally valid. But goddammit there is subtext here and it is driving me insane.

#if they are siblings then why are they the most soulmates ever #like idk man #i feel that there has to be at least ONE lunter shipper in the writing room #either all of this is intentional or the writers are somehow completely oblivious of the parallels that they wrote #and at this point i don't know which would make me feel worse LMAO #lunter #huntceda #goldenlight #goldenluz #luz x hunter #also whoops i was supposed to post this draft a couple days ago but forgot to lol

[divinemiracles]

may i ask why lunter shippers often criticize and/or dislike lumity so much ─ as in, the pairing itself, not the fans? it's extremely frustrating because i'm a multishipper (lumity main, but i very much love lunter too) and i don't understand why the shipping war over which one "should be true canon" isn't just one-sided from biphobes/antis/etc., because i was always under the impression that was the case. i've only ever experienced the fandom mainstream and i'm still new to spaces where shipping luz with boys, especially hunter, is acceptable. i'm curious as to why each side has negative shit to say about the other as if their opinion is absolute. hell, i'm still confused by how much people passionately hate huntlow this bad for being boring and unoriginal at worst; if it's problematic for the age gap then surely lunter is too (rhetorical)? anyway, i hope this ask comes across okay and respectful enough. i read your blog's description and pinned post so i hope i can find some answers through you.

~ bi-ship

Thank you for being so respectful!

There’s many reasons as to why Lunter fans dislike Lumity as a ship. It’s mainly due to a difference in shipping taste or out of spite since a handful of Lumity shippers are toxic (I like Lumity, it’s cute, but I fall under the difference in shipping taste category).

Lumity and Lunter are two completely different ships. One falls under the cutesy, wholesome, loving couple (Lumity) trope and the other falls under the angsty, heartbreak, storyline, and lore-based (Lunter) ship trope.

Many Lunter fans are mainly in the fandom and watch the show for the lore and Wittebane brothers, which is why they ship Lunter (for the Evelyn/Caleb parallels). If Lunter was canon, TOH would be a completely different story and have the Wittebane family as a major key to the story. But with Lumity, the story doesn’t go much into the brothers and just has a cute loving couple.

That’s where most of the criticism comes from. Lumity isn’t a ship that’s there for the lore, it’s just there for sapphic representation and normality. Also, since it was the first Disney sapphic couple involving a protagonist, it would be difficult to add it into lore-based angst since it would probably be passed as “too toxic” or whatever. That’s why they’re so lovey-dovey. Keep in mind this is just a thought. Lumity is not toxic at all, they’re just a normal couple.

With Huntlow, Lunter fans mostly hate it and criticize it for being boring and unoriginal like you said. It was rushed a lot and could have been dropped since it didn’t bring representation or relevance (Willow was never confirmed as Evelyn and they were never in-show confirmed or coded as bi/pan. I headcanon them as such but all they ever had were popular color palettes). It also depends a lot on perspective. It’s toxic to some and not toxic to others. I have a deep hate for it just for the unoriginality (bad boy turns into malewife for the shy girl that turns into a girlboss) and irrelevance but I don’t actually view it as TOXIC toxic since in my viewpoint, it’s just two normal people pushed too hard into a malewife x girlboss ship. I don’t like how Willow does sometimes resemble Belos but she’s far FAR better and healthier than Belos.

To sum this up: Lunter fans often dislike/criticize Lumity and Huntlow for being lovey-dovey, unoriginal, and not relevant to the plot. It all boils down to a difference in shipping interest. None of the ships are actually toxic (it’s mostly just people looking far too deep into them) but some people can view it as such and that’s fine as long as no one gets harassed. We all have different views.

#lunter #huntceda #goldenluz #goldenlight #luz x hunter #hunter x luz #Luz noceda x hunter #luz noceda x hunter deamonne #hunter deamonne x luz noceda #hunter deamonne x Luz

[five-rivers]

I've been thinking about Thanks to Them (TOH s3e1), and it seems to me that Hunter's teleportation/superspeed thing isn't actually his so much as it's Flapjack's. Luz was able to teleport when she had staff!Flapjack.

I don't think there was a chance for Hunter to teach her, and there aren't any sigils involved as far as I can see, so it does seem that Flapjack is the deciding factor here.

Which, in turn, means that teleportation was either Caleb's or Evelyn's thing... Which implies that Belos specifically made that artificial magic staff for Hunter to mimic the magic that Caleb used.

IDK, it isn't as if Belos isn't insane in a lot of other ways, but I think it's kind of interesting that he was putting Hunter in Caleb's mold even when it came to magic.

#the owl house #speculation #ramble

[theprinceandthewitch]

No Im not letting this timeskip bullshit go because there is legitimately NO REASON for everyone not to have discovered the story about Caleb and Evelyn like a day after they came to the human realm.

First of all, even though Luz didn't live in Gravesfield all her life there is no WAY she hasnt heard the story of The Brother's Wittebane as it's a story involving one of the towns founders [which got retconned. The brothers go from town founders to orphans who end up in Gravesfield LMAOOO]

Secondly, Vee knows the story about a witch from another world because of her confrontation with Jacob in Yesterday's Lie.

Flapjack could have said literally ANYTHING about Caleb or Evelyn. We can shoot the shit all day about whether Flapjack keeping quiet about the rebuses and Caleb is in character for him. I don't think this matters because at the end of the day, Flapjack keeping quiet about this information isnt beneficial to Hunter in the slightest. And it's also not beneficial to the other kids who are struggling to get back to the isles.

They could have fucking gone to the library to research Philip's history. If they just did that they would have known about Caleb's and Philip's history with Evelyn. This would have lead them to the museum where the rebuses are kept.

#toh critical #the crew JUST wanted a teehee haha funny little timeskip episode.

[toh-tagteam-au]

The more I hear of belos, the more I see him project onto luz more and more on the tag team au, especially once luz inevitably develops feelings for amity.

Belos would see amity as another Evelyn, or at least similar to Evelyn.

I wonder if belos wanted luz to grow out her hair like his, or changed his mind because…he’s holds racism involving hair curls.

Would tag team belos even imagine or bring himself to dispose of luz once he feels the girl’s fulfilled her purpose? He sees luz as an extension of him, but how disposable is she in his eyes?

Projection is definitely a thing in the au – Belos doesn't police the siblings' looks too much, but I'd like to think he secretly prefers it when both of their hairstyles are longer for Creepy Reasons™.

The "how disposable is TT Luz really" thing is an interesting question, since in canon there's a repeating situation where Belos could kill Luz after she supposedly "lost her use" and he just... continuously decides not to. He does this twice in King's Tide with his offer to bring her home followed by his agreement to her being his guide, and then in Thanks to Them he only swipes at her once before just taunting her. The beautifully animated fight scene is only between him and the witches + Vee.

In Tag Team, Belos has been subjected to the parallels between Luz and himself for 7 years instead of a measly few months. It'd take something pretty big for Luz to be unsalvageable in Belos's eyes, even if her original purpose of replicating Philip and Caleb's relationship fails. If anything, Hunter and Luz breaking apart would probably make him identify with her even more given the circumstances.

As for Amity, we'll have to see how everything plays out.

#ask #not comic #toh spoilers #god i need to update this comic its all ive been able to think about since the episode #once Teenage Abomination arc ends im going to go Super Mode #we WILL get to YBOS

[sergeantsporks]

Off-topic, but who do you think built the portal door in canon?

Evelyn? I know it used to be common in the TOH fandom to assume that she created the door and used it to travel to the human realm, meeting Caleb in the process...

But Thanks To Them seems to have jossed that theory? Kind of? There's no indication that Evelyn ever used the portal door to travel between world’s in that episode, as it's heavily implied that she used Titan's Blood on "natural" entranceways (IE: Arches, found in nature or otherwise) as her method of travel instead.

Unless that vial of Titan's Blood was just intended as an emergency backup, in the event the portal door was broken or otherwise wasn't working.... And the flooded graveyard was just a convenient place to hide it? (The vial was hidden practically in front of a stone archway...)

Then Watching and Dreaming aired and just added more fuel to the fire by revealing that The Titan himself is minus an eye...

And his remaining eye looks coincidentally like the eye present on the portal door.

I don't know. Obviously Evelyn had the door at some point, since it was on the Clawthorne property, but the question is how involved she was with making it. If Evelyn created a door, I think it would have been post Caleb deciding to stay in the demon realm (maybe so that Phillip would have a way to visit) or post Caleb's death. The other possible reason she built it could have been because titan's blood was starting to become scarce, and she and Caleb couldn't be wasting it on 2 second portals

The second thing, I think, is how Collector created that portal. Phillip mentions gathering all the supplies for the door but needing the Collector, which could have just been for the draining spell, but obviously they can make a portal pretty easily, so it would make sense if they were involved in the making of the first portal door, which would make it Phillip's creation for sure. However, we also can't trust anything Phillip wrote in his journal, so that does complicate things.

I'm pretty fond of the "Phillip and Evelyn built it together pre Caleb stabbing and then she ran off with it post stabbing" theory, but that doesn't quite fit in with the Collector helping thought, since Phillip met after. If Evelyn and Phillip built the portal together, there's no reason that Phillip couldn't recreate the door on his own, which he obviously didn't because there's only one door. Unless she kept something important from him?

If I had to make a theory that combined all of these together, I'd say that Evelyn and Phillip started building the portal together, collecting the titan's eye, titan's blood, and anything else they used to make it. Phillip left with the door (or at least the supplies to make it) post stabbing, but it was incomplete, so Phillip needed the Collector. He found the Collector and finished the portal, but at that point, Evelyn (or maybe her kid) caught up with him, stealing the portal back so that Phillip couldn't use it to bring an army of witch hunters into the isles (which I feel like was probably his original plan before he started on the sigils post door stealing), hiding it and building her home around it until later, when Eda found it.

#asks #toh #the owl house #toh theories #evelyn clawthorne #phillip wittebane

[slightecho]

Ooooo boy I got tagged by @childlikegoblinqueen and @fynn-arcana thank y’all 🥰

RULES: make a new post with the names of all the files in your WIP folder, regardless of how non-descriptive or ridiculous. Let people send you an ask with the title that most intrigues them, and then post a little snippet or tell them something about it! and then tag as many people as you have WIPs.

Ashes: just posted chapter 36! We’re coming up on the beginning of the end and I think I’m still on track to have about 45 or 46 chapters total at the end of it all. Also one more major interlude left to go! 👀

The Caleb Files: The prequel story to Ashes. The story of Caleb, Evelyn, growing up too fast, and the lie that burned everything down. There’s only one thing written for this so far and a playlist started

Halloween Pt. 3: lmao I had more ideas of random funny shenanigans after returning to Willow’s sleepover in Ashes that didn’t end up making it into the Final Cut bc it was already such a beast. I might release it as a silly one shot bonus later

Untitled Bungo Stray Dogs Heathers AU: uhhhhh toxic af soukoku fic where Chuuya is Veronica and Dazai is JD. I killed off Kouyou. Probably perpetually unfinished tbh. Wasn’t posted anywhere so it lives in my google docs forever

Ellie/Elowyn AU: my girlfriend and i made up a Grimwalker OC that was accidentally made from Evelyn instead of Caleb, and was one of the unfinished grims left behind in the mud by Belos. Hunter finds her when helping Darius catalogue palistrom wood left behind in the lab and now Huntlow has a grimwalker child! And boy she is FULL Clawthorne 😳

Don’t Form Voltron Under the Bed: (retches) I hate how this ended up. I cringe. I don’t want to look at it. (Markiplier voice) “If i could kill it, I would. But legally I cant.” I never wrote the last chapter and I’m sorry but idk if I ever will because I have a visceral reaction to any mention of Voltron now

The First Golden Guard: concept only. based on the route I thought the Golden Guard and Caleb/Evelyn Lore would take. Involves mindscape and time pool shenanigans and would actually take place post-finale

Tagging other fic writerssss okkkk @silvvergears @oh-cramity-its-amity @moroser @unniebeans @rfswitchart @willowsz-plantsz and if there’s anyone I forgot 😅

#echo writes #echo tags #hooray #toh ashes au

[marisramblings]

Here’s how I’d change The Owl House Finale(s)

(Because everyone cares what I think).

Thanks to Them

I actually like this episode for the most part. I think a slight reprieve from the previous season finale makes sense. I would focus more on developing Gus and Willow as characters. This would be a good time for Willow and Amity to truly talk and create a friendship outside of Luz.

King’s dad should start appearing periodically throughout the episode. Not visibly, but in little hints and glimpses to Luz. He’s trying to get them back home because they have the advantage of not being in the collector’s sights. He comes in her dreams, makes nudges to lead her and the squad to the remaining blood. Something along those lines.

We get a visual glimpse of the Wittebane backstory. Maybe Belos reminisces while possessing Hunter, during the hayride, and Hunter sees the flashback, confused and scared. Hell, for the Lunter shippers, when Hunter comes back to reality have the visage of Evelyn fade into Luz. Parallels ✨

I have no clue what to do with Vee. I love her though.

For the Future

This episode sucks.

King’s dad is still communicating with Luz

First, the Hexside detour should be completely removed.

The focus should be entirely on resolving the collector arc. Whether he’s a capricious cosmic entity or the equivalent of a child, end it here. There’s little time to delve into the archivists, so it can be skipped, I guess. We don’t know what the lore is so I can’t comment on if it could be condensed.

Willow, Amity, and Gus can still continue their arcs. Have Willow still crack and these two resolve it, not Hunter. Hunter doesn’t need to be with Luz but he needs focus on his new powers and discovering Caleb and Belos’ history. If there’s a connection between the Clawthorne’s and them, reveal it here, a little. Sprinkle a bit 🤏🏾

Belos is the devil on the collector’s ear. He sends them to fight Luz and Co. We get a battle which is Kikimora’s original + the games from Waking and Dreaming. We can even add Eda, Lilith, and King can go over to help. Regardless, our kids put up a fight and get thrashed.

At this point things seem grim. Depending on the characterization, the collector is gleeful over suffering or having a change of heart once he realizes his “games” are dangerous. Belos reappears, now reinvigorated/moss powered whatever, and kills the collector.

Waking and Dreaming

It can be here or the tail end of FtF, but Luz is killed by Belos trying to defend Hunter. This is not shipping fodder, I just think Belos really hates Caleb and by extension Hunter. There’s a lovely drama in him killing the parallel of his brother’s wife, if he didn’t kill her originally.

Now she’s in titan ville

We get the detailed and full version of the Wittebane story. If the Clawthorne’s are involved, bring it in. The titan wants Luz to know the full story so she can decide if she’s willing to kill Belos. We don’t get a handed down moral, but we see her earnestly think about this.

Meanwhile, Belos might let somethings slip about Hunter and Caleb. Everyone’s justifiably losing their shit and going ham. There’s no way they can beat him so they retreat.

Since the collector’s dead, everyone is freed from being dolls. Maybe bump brings everyone back to hexside and our group meets them there.

Belos is progressing slowly but he’s coming. This is the time for little character interactions like Amity and Boscha, Eda and her parents. Wrap up as much as possible swiftly. No high school politics.

Time doesn’t progress the same in the in between dimension. The titan and Luz talk. We truly close the collector’s arc. He explains what happened or gives a glimpse into their motives. There isn’t enough time to properly resolve it.

Luz talks about King

Eventually she agrees, gets her super awesome monster form.

Hexside peeps prepare for one final showdown. We have the coven heads including Raine, our main squad, the harpy sisters, and King and Hunter with their strange powers.

They fight and Luz returns

Battle, battle, battle. Little character interactions

Belos dies. I have mixed feeling on whether Hunter needs to confront him. So maybe he tells Belos to choke and Eda and Lilith stomp him out. It shouldn’t be played for laughs

The day is saved!…sigils are gone

Extended epilogue. Amity and Luz talk about things. Willow isn’t a sports player…wtf was that about?

Gus gets to travel the human realm or something besides being the same human club person.

If Hunter is carving palismen, can we learn why?

Eda being a teacher…is debatable at best. Raeda wedding though 😎

We see Luz finish out high school in the human realm while visiting the isles. There’s still the quinceañera.

I clearly didn’t hit every single detail of each episode. There are sections that are fine or not worth the effort to edit. I’m not a hardcore fan of any of the ships. I do like Lunter but I’m not going back to rewrite the whole show. My efforts are more focused on developing Amity as a character so the relationship feels more real. I do love my girls. Huntlow is not my thing. It feels hollow and a waste of Willow’s time.

These are my ideas for the finale episodes only. Some of these would be better if they started in earlier seasons but, like I said, I’m not here to rewrite the show. I hope it’s clear that my criticism come from a place of loving the show. Critical tags kind of annoy me because it seems to imply that this wouldn’t belong in the main tags. Opinions that aren’t attacking people should be able to stay in the main tags.

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[httyddragonfox]

Thoughts on TOH Finale

What I loved and what I disagreed with, because yeah, it wasn't perfect.

What's start with what I loved:

The animation was great, free flowing and felt like an anime, especially with Luz's power-up and the epilogue scene.

Everything was concluded nicely for the most part.

I loved the symbolism of Belos' death, all the people he had hurt and tried to possess and control represented by three people, while Luz, the person he tried to connect to based on their own humanity, rejects him. His own humanity has rejected him, while he's stomped to death by the implied descendant of Caleb, someone who thought for everyone in the isles and the Clawthorne's lover, and a titan. He's also melted by the boiling rain, in the end killed by the place he hated with a passion.

I love how powerful Raine is displayed to be, as soon as they wake up from puppetization they are fighting Belos, aware of what's he's doing and trying to stop him. Raine is amazing!

Subtly whilst frustrating has it's moments, for instance, Darius being the one to reunite with Hunter, implying Hunter has a family now on the Boiling Isles. Huntlow also has it's subtle confirmation, like Hunter staying with Willow until she reunites with her family, Willow pulling on his bow tie at Grom, and them consistently holding hands and each other in the epilouge. I just thought that was all so cute.

Now for what I had problems with...

No Caleb. Yeah, I get it...the group didn't need to know about him and Evelyn to deal with Belos. To be fair, I think they know enough (I'll get to that in another post). Yet, after all the build-up we had with Caleb over season 2 and 3 it was a little disappointing that he didn't have any part to play in the finale. It didn't have to be much, maybe as Luz is glaring at Belos, Belos sees Caleb glaring at him as well, maybe Caleb can turn away as Luz does. Maybe Belos can mutter Caleb's name in horror and then maybe turn his attention back to begging to Luz. We didn't need a flashback, we know the story, but it wouldn't hurt to put Caleb in there for a least a couple of seconds. Make Belos realize that not only humanity, anybody who could care about him, doesn't. He's burned every bridge and he's done for.

Hexsquad demotion. This is more of a personal opinion. Yeah I guess they wanted the finale to focus on the main three characters. It would have been nice though, because these five have already been through so much together, that they shared the final battle together. Raine was invloved, they could have involved the others too. Yeah they were exhausted, and what could they do against Belos fungus (You touch it and you die). Well they could have fought with glyphs, like they were doing in the archives. They didn't even need to fight anybody! It would have been beautiful for Amity to see her girlfriend all powerful, you could have added extra trauma by having them know specifically that Luz died. Amity and the others were exhausted, maybe they all would have gotten a surge of power like King and Eda. Yeah, they didn't want to leave the people in the archives, but maybe they could have gone to go save them with the collector. Yes, they didn't wake up for a while because they were puppets, but if Amity could make a glyph who says the others couldn't? Also, how did they know glyphs would undo the collector's magic?

What about Hunter? Someone did a compilation of all his lines in the episode...it's not much. He speaks the most in the dream sequence. I do like that he was the first to smile at Luz when they woke up for a moment, because he knows what Luz can do. However, Zeno's last line (besides "BYYYEEE") was "the collector?" Seriously?! What was the issue, Gus's character was voiced when everyone was reuniting, as was Amity, Willow and Hunter were silent! Maybe give a few lines between him and Darius like, "Nice shirt" "Thanks, I made it myself. These creatures are called wolves..." then start fading off. That could have been a good last line, him being a dork. They didn't give him any lines in the epilogue. Who had lines from the main cast? Camila, Luz, Vee, Eda, Lillith, Amity, Gus, Willow, King...and no Hunter. They could've given him a line in there! Like, Luz says... "You guys didn't have to do this." and Hunter says something along the lines of, "Of course we were going to do this for you, come on, it's you." But nope, nothing. I know Hunter is not a main character, he came in the second season, but like how Eda and Amity are deurtagonists, I'd like to think he is one too. It's not like they ran out of budget so they decided to cut some of Zeno's lines, they several beautiful animation scenes; It's not Zeno didn't want to do it anymore, he loves voicing Hunter. Hunter could've been further traumatized this episode, as they love doing that to him apparently, but didn't even do that except for the dream. It's almost like they like Zeno to pull off an emotional line instead of traumatizing Hunter. Another thing, everyone was exhausted? Hunter wasn't, at least he wouldn't be, he just got his powers! We only see him use them once in this episode. Why reveal he has powers at all if it's not going to be useful later? We could have seen him use them in the archives to save people from debris, or to jump up to catch Emmaline. I guess they wanted to show the entire Hexsquad using glyphs. They didn't even show if he had these powers in the future, like he could have used his flash step to catch up to Willow. Last note on Hunter, if he was there when Belos died, Belos could have tried begging to him to save him and calling him Caleb, Hunter could turn away from him and tell him that's not who he is. That would be a good conclusion to his arc and a good final line, that is if the Hexsquad went to meet up with Luz when the battle was over. Willow could've comforted him afterwards because it would still be hard for him to deal with. Then they could go meet up with their families. Speaking of, why didn't they all show up at the owl house with Amity and Camilla, they must've all been worried about Luz.

Huntlow? Again, a personal one. You don't need an "I love you," a "will you go out with me?" or a kiss to be canon. They're affectionate enough already. Still, I would like the antis to be quiet, so it would have been nice if they kissed in the epilogue. Maybe after they slid down the hill a kiss on the cheek, maybe seeing the fireworks a kiss on the mouth. Oh well, it's canon in my mind.

That's my little rant, maybe they would throw in some things I missed in the potential spin-offs. Other than those 4 things it was good.

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