#and NOT naming her heir

[daenerysies]

rhaenyra is as much of a girl’s girl as the society she lives in allows her to be.

book wise she has multiple ladies in waiting (not just alicent, which is a grave oversight in the show), one of which is said to have gouged out her own eyes at the sight of rhaenyra’s murder. that doesn’t sound like someone who isn’t capable of inspiring loyalty from the women around them. rhaenys fully and wholeheartedly supported rhaenyra and her cause, even dying in her attempts to make her the first queen regnant of the seven kingdoms. laena betrothed her daughters to rhaenyra’s sons, ensuring that her blood sat both the iron throne and the driftwood throne, all while being a pretty difficult backing to break due to the wealth and naval power of the velaryons (all of this in spite of the bastardy rumors surrounding jace and luke). the agreement also puts forward how politically astute rhaenyra is, and how she didn’t just rely on her father’s word to put her on the throne. she made alliances using her sons hand in marriage; borros baratheon might not have declared for aegon had a proposal taken place the night luke brought rhaenyra’s terms. baela was only held back from partaking in the many battles because of her dragon’s size, otherwise she would have been right beside her betrothed fighting for rhaenyra. there’s even a chance that rhaena would have joined had she had a rideable dragon of her own. she had mysaria, a former sex worker, as her mistress of whisperers, a very esteemed position on her small council. the cases of rosby and stokeworth have no bearing on this, because they were never named as heirs (along with being literal children during a war time) which is what rhaenyra was using as the basis for her rulership. jeyne arryn knew her own position as lady of the eyrie would be challenged (again) if aegon stepped over rhaenyra and subsequently supported her cause. important women like alysanne blackwood and sabitha frey were key players in cregan’s army.

show wise she is shown in the season two trailer to be taking advice from rhaenys and allowing her to be a part of the war efforts. baela and rhaena are explicitly included on her war council, with rhaena as her cupbearer. moondancer is no longer a hardly rideable dragon and baela seems to be taking direct part in the war. rhaenyra is already shown in a set picture to be communicating with mysaria (whether that’s discussing blood and cheese, the aftermath of it, or something entirely different remains to be seen). these are not the acts of someone who hated other women, and using her falling out with alicent and the resulting enmity between them (that is almost completely one-sided due to the difference in power dynamics) as an excuse to otherwise is worse than strange, considering alicent’s canonical goal was to seat her son, a known violent misogynist, on the throne over a woman who was the named heir to the king.

the green’s entire ideological standpoint is that women cannot rule, ever, for it would make the main members of the green’s powerless, and any other lord or heir’s claim would be up for debate if they have an elder sister. if the iron throne had truly been aegon’s by right alicent, otto, and criston would not have left viserys’ body to rot for days AND they would have had the backing of most of the houses. if alicent had cared more for her children’s wellbeing she would have convened a great council before the war began or considered any other effort that would not lead to her children fighting on dragonback. rhaenyra’s (peaceful) ascension would have at least started the necessary changes needed to grant women more authority and (!) autonomy in the seven kingdoms. queen consorts had significantly less influence after her murder, along with the targaryen’s losing their ability to hatch dragons. rhaenyra does not need to be a feminist for her cause to be inherently feminist by proxy.

rhaenyra was not a feminist, but she did have great love for other women. it’s disingenuous at best and downright insulting at worst to try to paint her as anything else. she inspired loyalty even after her murder. if the black’s cause had truly relied on putting rhaenyra on the throne, her armies would have disbanded once she was dead. instead corlys and larys poisoned aegon, with rhaenyra’s son being placed on the throne afterwards. it was ultimately about bloodlines in the end. jaehaera suffered the unfortunate consequences of an ambitious hand because of her status as aegon’s daughter. it plays directly into how alicent outlived her entire family, besides jaehaera, and went mad with grief, learning to hate the color green. how greed and the allure of power can and will corrupt those who choose to make that a priority in their lives, and how the innocent will usually pay the price for those sins.

#house of the dragon #fire and blood #rhaenyra targaryen #pro rhaenyra targaryen #team black #anti team green #anti team green stans #anti alicent hightower #anti aegon ii targaryen #hate rhaenyra all you want #but stop conflating your hatred of her with factually incorrect takes #the only team constantly harping about feminism #is the team who’s been babied by a show that wants to change the core meaning behind #the dance of the dragons #aegon only having a daughter by the end of it all #and NOT naming her heir #is the most telling result that the war happened #because of rhaenyra’s womanhood #btw i don’t care how ‘interesting’ and ‘full of nuance’ your fav characters are so keep it to yourself :)

[lovl3igh]

"according to the law aegon should be the king" according to the law aegon should have been castrated and sent to the wall

#what law are you reffering to #in the book everytime king had to named his heir officially an heir and prince/princess of dragonstone #in the show viserys officially changes the line of succession #we have the whole ceremony and all #it's confirmed that rhaenyra has claim #and lords gave her their oaths #so what bs y'all trying to sell #according to the law rhaenyra was the heir #also i blame jaehaerys #dude really had to screw everything #he literally disinherited like 6 women if you think about that?? #2 of them were called his heirs #house of the dragon #targaryen #hotd #fire and blood #anti aegon ii targaryen #aegon the usurper #anti jaehaerys i targaryen #anti aegon ii stans

[science-lings]

You cannot tell me that Simon 'twisted samurai' Blackquill, LA's resident vaguely british man and total weeb with a special interest in swords, would not recognize Karuma on sight. I just imagine that Phoenix has it displayed in his office because of its historical and specifically lawyer-related significance and Blackquill comes in because he lost the rock-paper-scissors match against the other prosecutors to run their errands for the day and he sees that katana and has an autism moment.

There's also the lore behind the von Karma name that makes the idea that Phoenix ends up with the Asogi clan's heirloom very funny to me.

#I think blackquill has a Moment when he learns that Phoenix's japanese/ birth name is Naruhodo Ryuichi #because he would be the exact kind of person to know who those people are #at first franziska is so mad about the whole thing but then she thinks its really funny when she applies it to her father #the heir to the asogi clan legacy named 'karma' takes down the pinnacle of the family that named itself after that same object #simon blackquill #phoenix wright #asoryuu #its implied lol #they were just really good friends #ryuu was just entrusted with the asogi family heirloom for completely straight reasons #he passed it though his own family because they were buddies

[rhaenin-time]

B-b-but Rhaenyra's siblings were always in danger and even if she didn't think she'd need to kill them she definitely would have because of all these historical figures who killed or imprisoned those they saw as a threat to their claim:

[Insert list of historical rulers who were not named heirs and who came into power during a power vacuum or crisis where there was either no clear line of succession or where they used force to supplant the line of succession. Also insert list of competing heirs who refused to renounce their claim.]

#the irony of using Henry vs the fucking PLANTAGENETS is not lost on me #Yes very smart historian tell us ALL ABOUT the Plantagenets would you??????? #& honestly if Mary had stfu about being the “rightful Queen” while she was at QE's mercy she had a pretty good chance of QE naming her heir #asoiaf #hotd #team black #asoiaf fandom #anti team green #fire and blood #anti team green stans

[watcherintheweyr]

desperately need people to understand that alicent is a victim but she’s also an abuser and a perpetrator

that she actively makes choices to harm other women because of jealousy and envy and the greed deep in her bones because submitting to suffering didn’t get her what those women fight to grasp for themselves.

she is absolutely a victim, in show.

that doesn’t change that she abused rhaenyra and her children, her own son, most likely helaena given how she flinches every time her mother touches her, and is actively weaponizing the patriarchy of westeros against other women- rhaenyra primarily, but also mysaria and dyana.

she isn’t the moral, righteous force of good that even she thinks she is, she’s a wounded woman directing all of the rot, pain, and fury inside her at the wrong people and forces.

#anti team green stans #anti team green #anti alicent hightower stans #i don’t wanna say it’s anti alicent bc honestly it’s more ‘accept her for who she is bc she’s so much more complex and interesting when you #but i made this bc someone genuinely tried to say that the reason people hate her is that they don’t see her as a victim #most rational people know show!alicent is a victim #it’s the point that’s she’s an abuser as well #that makes them dislike her #that she’s a hypocrite and a traitor #i don’t even like young alicent bc i don’t at all think she was a good friend to rhaenyra #‘it’s not your place to question the plots of lords and men’ to the named heir #dismisses rhaenyra’s hopes and idealism entirely out of hand #is baffled that rhaenyra is more worried for her fathers happiness and mother’s wellbeing than her position #she knew as early as ep 3 that otto was conspiring against rhaenyra and never told anyone #condemns ‘targaryen customs’ only to wed her daughter to her son even younger than she was when otto dangled her before viserys #acts entitled to rhaenyras secrets whilst condemning and judgemental even though she did not give rhaenyra that same courtesy #made no attempt at apology for the insensitive comment of aegon’s birth #though rhaenyra DID try to apologize for the ‘imprisoned in a castle’ line and tried to comfort her #uses her power as queen to push past the space rhaenyra is trying to create because she feels heartbroken and betrayed #rhaenyra took part in alicent’s culture with prayer at alicent’s urging because she cared about alicent and alicent was trying to help her #alicent is never once shown to return that favor instead condemning it for ‘queerness’ and growing to later #erase and remove all targaryen and valyrian heraldry from the red keep to replace with her own #like alicent is a victim and i DO have empathy for her. but i don’t like her and never will #especially not after the way her stans behave #she deserved better than otto’s machinations and viserys’…. viserysness #but that can also be true whilst i condemn her actions and behaviors

[fragileheartbeats]

𝐊𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐕𝐢𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐲𝐬 𝐈 𝐓𝐚𝐫𝐠𝐚𝐫𝐲𝐞𝐧 𝐂𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐝𝐫𝐞𝐧

𝗔𝗲𝗴𝗼𝗻: 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘣𝘳𝘢𝘷𝘦𝘴𝘵, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘰𝘴𝘵 𝘥𝘦𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘥

𝗛𝗲𝗹𝗮𝗲𝗻𝗮: 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘨𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘭𝘦𝘴𝘵, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘰𝘴𝘵 𝘣𝘦𝘭𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘥

𝗔𝗲𝗺𝗼𝗻𝗱: 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘰𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘴𝘵, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘰𝘴𝘵 𝘷𝘪𝘰𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘵

𝗗𝗮𝗲𝗿𝗼𝗻: 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘮𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘦𝘴𝘵, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘰𝘴𝘵 𝘥𝘢𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘴

𝗥𝗵𝗮𝗲𝗻𝘆𝗿𝗮: 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘰𝘴𝘵 𝘤𝘰𝘸𝘢𝘳𝘥𝘭𝘺, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘳𝘶𝘦𝘭𝘦𝘴𝘵, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘦𝘢𝘬𝘦𝘴𝘵, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘶𝘱𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘴𝘵, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘰𝘴𝘵 𝘩𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘥, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘰𝘴𝘵 𝘴𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘭𝘦𝘥, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘰𝘴𝘵 𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘭𝘦𝘴𝘴

#i honestly can't understand why he named her heir and still let her be his heir #all of his children have good personality traits that balance their bad ones #except for rhaenyra #she just don't have anything good in her 😐 #house of the dragon #house targaryen #house of dragons #aemond targaryen #aegon ii targaryen #hotd #aegon ii targaryen x reader #aegon x reader #anti team black #anti rhaenyra stans #anti rhaenyra targaryen #pro team green #team green #daeron targaryen #daeron the daring #aegon ii #aegon targaryen #aemond one eye #hotd aemond #alicent hightower #king aegon #aegon the second #a song of ice and fire #asoiaf

[fromtheseventhhell]

I really hate how people act like Jon becoming King is him "usurping" his siblings when that's an unfair stigma that's followed him his entire life for being a bastard. It just blows my mind that people ignore Jon's own thoughts and wishes on the topic. Well, guess what? Robb named him as his heir, he will have a legitimate claim to Winterfell, and he will be part of discussions on who will rule. Even without that, it's very likely that some of his siblings would support him as King. I just hate how the conversation around him becoming King is framed as some big betrayal.

#jon snow #asoiaf #yeah Jon has his own guilty thoughts but!! that's cause he's a bastard and grew up hearing shit like that #literally one of cat's biggest fears is that he would /steal/ Winterfell from her children #and she's firmly against him being named heir for that exact reason...reading comprehension is on 0% #and I think there's a good chance that Arya Rickon and possibly even Bran would support him #I can see Sansa being actively against it cause she's only ever thought of him as a /lesser/ bastard + she has LF whispering in her ear #I can also see Bran having an issue though considering he's rooted in his identity as the heir to winterfell #and then there's their conflict from the og outline which could still come into play at some point #but I feel like Arya would support him and Rickon would gladly accept him as his regent #depending on how things play out but either way he isn't betraying them by becoming King #and if you think he is then congrats you're buying into the classist ideals that the books are against

[visenyaism]

Any thoughts on Aegon III?

He makes me so sad

being named aegon is the narrative dooming you to be eaten from the inside out until all you have is the crown on your head and aegon iii had no chance at all. named aegon before the war started as part of the petty fight between rhaenyra and alicent to compete for the succession and harken back to the Glory Days of the Conquest. then named aegon because he doesn’t get to have an identity outside of the crown he doesn’t want and the civil war that killed his entire family and the generational doomrot in his veins.

and even though he spent his entire life trying to run away from the trauma aegon iii still continued the exact same cycle that ruined his life in the first place. his wife was the six year-old in his big sister’s custody that she gave to him and told him to marry. his firstborn son was a warmongering child-general who died tragically at 15. his secondborn son imprisoned all his sisters for being women. evil is a relay sport and that kiddo got burned alive

#the second rhaenyra named her fourth son aegon. she was dead. her first three sons were dead. aegon was going to be king. and that’s doom!! #no one won the dance!!!! aegon is rhaenyra’s son and aegon ii’s heir and he is a sad little boy forever!!!! #asoiaf

[tweedstoat]

Look I get that they're probably just more relevant to the Northern plot of the story but I just find it weird that Allyria is betrothed to a marcher lord and there's no mention of Ned being invited to the water gardens....also Ned being named after the man who KILLED Arthur.....there is so much anger at and within that family GRRM explain....

#lord dayne tried to work OVERTIME naming ned after the guy who killed his brother to restore his rep with the dornish i just know it #look yall we hate arthur too!!! #the rest of dorne: too little too late but also wtaf is wrong with u guys #lord dayne: fuck it guess ill have to marry my sister to our ancient enemies tm #also as a friend pointed out arianne never thinks of allyria AT ALL despite the fact that theyre probably young women of similar ages #and allyria is neds heir until he has kids #oh ALSO it mustve been a recent thing because the Daynes were important and liked enough in dorne before cause elia went there #on her betrothal tour #asoiaf #asoiaf memes #valyrian scrolls #the great dayne shunning theory of 2022

[hawthornesbiggestfan]

all im saying is that if wren wants to bite me, i'd let her.

#im so in love #heart eyes #and everything #the mention of her name makes me (s)cream #joke! #i love my blue baby #the stolen heir #the prisoners throne #queen suren #wren

[dumbhero]

shuro's bad shuro's the worst i'll kill you i'll kill us both he literally hasnt eaten or showered in days and has been searching for a woman he loves very dearly i think that alone entitles him to be a little cranky with laios + he ALSO doesn't understand social cues because he comes from a totally different culture and social standing. laios is a completely different kind of person than shuro has ever had to deal with before. yes they fight but CLEARLY they don't actually want to hurt each other because if they did shuro could, weakened though he is, turn laios into mincemeat. he's angry but he wants to talk to him. he's angry because if the western elves learn falin was brought back using ancient magic they'll kill her or experiment on her, NOT because he has some beef with ancient magic itself. and literally at the end he tells Laios he's not going to say anything. and that no matter what happens he can call Shuro for help and he'll literally HELP HIM ESCAPE TO HIS HOME IN THE EAST. if you don't like shuro because he "doesnt like laios" you're already wrong because that's a bad reason to dislike a character (laios is legitimately grating and awkward, we find it endearing bc we understand he's not doing it on purpose + we know he's fictional + many of us see ourselves in him anyway) but also he LITERALLY DOES LIKE LAIOS. he finds it difficult to communicate with him just like laios finds it difficult!! if shuro hated him i cannot stress there's a million things he could've done other than punching him back when he slapped him LMAO

#shuro is NICEYS. i will defend him with my life #he literally knows laios is being genuine and sincere and he's resentful of this bc he finds it difficult for himself to be the same way !! #'clearly he hates him' meanwhile he's like hey i dont know if you can actually save her #but regardless of what happens i want you to know i'll help you if you ask. i #i'll literally smuggle you to the east where i'm an heir to the throne #would you not be a little frustrated at the guy who got your name so wrong everybody calls you the wrong thing even if he means well

[demonicfarmer69]

woah jzx how come u get to have TWO baddies?

#jiang cheng #jin zixuan #jiang yanli #mdzs #mo dao zu shi #xuanlicheng #thats their ship name now #in this au jzx and jyl's engagement is dissolved #but to since yzy still wants it her way she makes jc get engaged to jzx instead. jc doesnt want this. she knows how much her jiejie wants t #she has no choice but to say yes #surprisingly the two of them get along well #and they actually fall in love. but jc says it still hurts her to see her jiejie alone and separated from her #and if jzx still has feelings for jyl #then he should consider marrying her too so they can all be together #the marriage goes through. theres now two madam jins! the jianghu is full of gossip about how jzx is just like his father and bagged not on #but two beauties of yunmeng #little do they know it was jyl and jc who wanted it all along but whatev #when the time for heirs comes jc insists jyl should have dibs bcs shes wanted jzx for longer. #jyl gets preggy with jl and not too long after jc gets preggy with jl's younger sibling uwu #i actually wanted to draw this with jc didi but im in a jc meimei mood so jc meimei it is

[domokunrainbowkinz]

The Lady of Light ✨

#my art #sketches #dark rise #dark heir #like. what was her name #I’m so curious what her whole deal was. like who WERE you #anyways I think all the Sun kingdom royals had those sunbeam tiara thingies that I remember seeing at the heaven #at the heavenly bodies met gala #and bc she’s from the flower kingdom I also put flowers in her hair #also gave her earrings. just because #I love accesorizing characters which is weird bc I do not like wearing any accessories LOL

[ohanthonytomallamadingdong]

i have officially finished Heir of Fire

while i am broken and unlikely to heal, here are my current thoughts

- Rowan and Aelin are endgame and i was absolutely shooketh at the scene w Maeve and the BLOOD OATH

- “your people aren’t” bitch ok go off

- Rowan tattooing Aelin, yes ma’am thank u more please

- Sorscha

- i don’t even know what to say

- i am heartbroken

- and Dorian, i just-

- i am Shattered

- Aedion trying to protect the others even tho it meant giving himself up and giving the king leverage against Aelin is so Him and im reeling

- Chaol is Struggling and i feel the heaviness he carries

- Rowan and Aelin

- Bas the Bitching Buffoon u hurt my babie Luca and u paid the ultimate price

- bruh i was so afraid for Emrys and Malakai thank god they’re ok

- did i mention Rowan and Aelin??????

- Sorscha and Dorian, i-

- i literally don’t have the words

#throne of glass #sarah j maas #aelin galathynius #rowan whitethorn #dorian havilliard #chaol westfall #heir of fire #aedion ashryver #sorscha #why doesn’t she have a tag #put some goddamn respect to her name

[flowerflamestars]

Effloresce snippet

“How did you,” Nesta had managed to surprise her, “How did you come to meet this woman?” Nesta let out a ragged, half-mad laugh. “I tried to hire her to smuggle me into the Spring Court to save my sister.” She twisted, looking straight at Kali. “Why do they call Rhysand a pretender?” Warmth, whatever warmth Nesta had garnered, evaporated. “The heir died,” Kali pronounced. “The current High Lord prevented us from vengeance. We could not- the Lady Shahar did not return to the sky. You cannot lead the clans without honor.” Nesta’s honor was tarnished in every direction. Her father, her sister, her dead uncounted. “Who is the next heir?” Kali sucked in an audible breath and then, just as careful, off as the way Koram had touched her, clapped the back of Nesta’s shoulder where bone and muscle would meet in wings were she something else. “That pale bitch who’s been dragging Cassian around by his throat for centuries, my lady.” Morrigan. Of course, it was Morrigan. Nesta wiped her face. “Will it cause problems?” “Your friend, the mercenary? The mortal child of an Illyrian?” Kali shrugged, motion half wings, “It will be strange. Not violent.” “And probably good for them to see.” “Them,” Kali echoed. Nesta pressed hard against her wet eyes, once, the pressure twinned with pain in her face. “I’m not going to tell anyone who they can or cannot consort with,” Nesta nearly hissed, before she reeled herself back in. “I am not a High Lord. These things happen, and there is nothing wrong with them.” Kali, quite obviously cautious, squeezed Nesta’s shoulder like it was made of bone fine porcelain. “Lady Nesta.” It was kind, and utterly unbearable. “Why do you need her?” Kali asked, after a long moment. “The mercenary?” Nesta, feeling like the expression cracked her, bleeding open, smiled. “She travels in the company of Jurian,” Nesta told her, one more Archeron secret laid bare, “Breaker of chains and kings. I have need of him.”

#hi hello for anyone new to this au I HAVE NEVER FOUND A THREAD I DONT WANT TO YANK #yes forever and always on my personal Rhys was not meant to be heir bullshit #Nesta is about to have the worst week of her life while Elain is on her wartime sedition themed honeymoon #Kali has known Cassian since he was ten! #she hates Mor! #(I do not...exactly. But this story is not great for her) #Jurian and Lucien friends if not lovers in every au #culture clash! #Azriel slow motion losing his shit completely #something something Rhysand's sister having a NAME #and her death rebounding all the way back to ruin his shitty government beloved #effloresce

[des-no9]

In some AU somehow, Vanquish and Orpheus will have a kid and heir. One day maybe she'll be queen, because someone once told Orpheus that one thing worse than no heirs, was just one.

Okay, so I HC Orpheus is a pre-egg baby (Voss too, but I HC he's far too old now to be able to have children, and has never had the desire to have his own or with anyone. But now, with Orpheus needing an heir, it's different, and the three of them being in their polycule, they are all equally her parents).

So, Orpheus can still reproduce in a classic sense that most material races can. And well, the logistics of a githyanki and tiefling bearing a child? Sure I'll get around to making up something to my joy.

Vanquish doesn't necessrily want children, but she wants to bear them an heir. I think that's the same with them all, children aren't necssarily a desire for their unit, but they all know an heir is essential. And more than one. However, this is the only one Vanquish gives them. One was enough for her lol. And she's unique and special to their little family.

I think she becomes singled out as special among Orpheus' heirs not just because of her appearance, but the connections of her being made through not just necessity, but love.

She's conceived with all three of them there and even though she's initially more heir than child, she becomes child and friend and our blood and bond.

All three were quite hands off parents, leaving her care to trusted and more skilled varsh, but they were always there, involved in the areas and moments that mattered and that they felt they could contribute to. Parenting for githyanki in this new world is a strange an alien concept. Parenting for Vanquish was never on the radar. But their child becomes formidable and powerful.

(I also HC she has a little Mother Gith in her, looks wise, but I can't draw for shit here sry. I draw her better).

#cringe time!!!!! #ot3: the prince the blade and the breaker of chains #githyanki #gith #vanquish and orpheus' kid #i need a name for her rip #i have never ever been into or liked fankids what the fuck is wrong with me i feel sick lol #i think maybe its because it's more detached and she's like an heir but still a connection between all three of them made in their love #idk idk #anyway enjoy and point and laugh at me i am #bg3 #des draws