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kayas-obsession · 9 months

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My nosy ass went to antigwynriel tag and when I tell you the things I read. It is absolutely amazing how ignorant people can be when they are biased.

I guess, although, the same thing can be said for me.

So hear me out.

Gwyn and Azriel are not in love.

There.

Okay.

I know it, you know it, the entire ACOTAR fandom knows it.

It’s not what they have now we are focused on it’s what they could have or more importantly what it could grow into.

It’s funny how Elriel’s point out that Gwyn was a distraction and nothing more because he was commanded to not court Elain.

And???

Feyre told she wanted Rhys as a distraction at first too but it wasn’t the case, was it.

And if you guys are arguing about his POV, how he was too polite to leave the ring because Gwyn saw him already. Helloooo????

"Happy Solstice," she said, as much a dismissal as it was a holiday blessing.

He snorted. "Are you kicking me out?"

He could’ve just left. But oh wait, he didn’t.

And him not caring about Gwyn being in the blood rite and going to save Eris. Let me ask you, could he go even if he wanted to? When even Cassian couldn’t? And Gwyn and Azriel wasn’t anywhere near as close as Elain and Azriel were when he saved her from Hybern.

And not to mention it’s a rule to not interfere in the rite as it can get them killed.

Were we not reading the same book???

And it’s not that he didn’t care. When Nesta was mentioned there was no reaction but when Gwyn’s name was mentioned, he did show concern.

“There are plenty of other unspeakable things that could be happening to her,” Cassian said, voice thickening. “To Emerie and Gwyn.”

The shadows deepened around Azriel, his Siphons gleaming like cobalt fire. “You—we—trained them well, Cassian. Trust in that. It’s all we can do.”

And for people saying she is a light singer because she did a high pitched scream next to Azriel one time because it caught his attention.

Crack. I tell you. Absolute no logic.

Also, his shadows did not dance around her but reached out to her breath. Okay. Then. What. Is. This.

“Gwyn asked Az, her teal eyes bright, “What do we get if we finish the course?”

Az’s shadows danced around him. “Since there’s no chance in hell any of you will finish the course, we didn’t bother to get a prize.”

Another thing they pointed out was how sour Azriel’s mood was the next day of the solstice, given how his night was supposed to go after meeting Gwyn, shouldn’t he have been happy.

That’s what I’m telling you!! They are not in love at that moment!

Was Feyre in love with Rhys when him and her were under the mountain? No. She despised him. Was she in love with him when he brought her to the Night court? Yes, of course not. But it’s what all build up to the climax of their relation.

How the relationship started.

I repeat in case Elriels are confused. They are not in love!

But you know what did happen the next day after Elain and him didn’t kiss?

His smiled thinking of Gwyn and picturing her joy on receiving the necklace. But ofc that they overlook because it’s a “bonus” scene but jump to the scene of Elain and Azriel about to kiss cause it sails their boat.

Some argue that bonus chapters shouldn’t matter. Um, okay so the near kiss didn’t happen either I guess.

Keep your 4 book buildup of ambiguous relation for all we care.

If 4 books couldn’t help Elriel move their relation up to a simple kiss. Idk what really can.

Maybe your “let’s tear down a perfectly solid character” will help keep the ship sailing.

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elainsweetcobalt · 1 year

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Feysand/Nessian/Elriel analysis triangular theory of love

Disclaimer: This is a post, Pro Elriel, AntiElucien/AntiGwynriel

Disclaimer #2: This post is long and written in somewhat technical language if you have any questions you are more than welcome to ask as long as you are kind.

This theory was proposed by the psychologist Robert Sternberg (1986) describes the different elements that make up love, as well as the possible combinations of these elements when forming different types of relationships.

Robert Sternberg is an American psychologist, professor at Yale University, widely recognized for his research, not only has he been interested in love, but intelligence or creativity have also been objects of interest in his research, his contributions in the field of intelligence study are well known and accepted.

For Sternberg, love is made up of 3 qualities that are manifested in any love relationship: intimacy, passion and commitment. These elements, in practice, are intermingled with each other, but knowing how to distinguish them in a theoretical framework helps us to understand the phenomenon of love and to better recognize its nuances and details.

Intimacy: Intimacy refers to the feeling of closeness, the bond between the two people who are part of the love story, the trust between them, friendship and affection. Passion: This component is the emotion or energy of the relationship. Feeling of physical attraction and wanting or needing to be with the other person and be sexually intimate. Commitment: It refers to the decision and willingness to maintain the relationship, together with the feeling of responsibility.

The possible combinations or types of love According to the possible combinations, Sternberg affirms that there are different ways of loving.

These ways of loving can be heard in isolation or as stages:

Liking/friendship Affection refers to true friendship. There is only intimacy, but there is no passion or commitment. Members of the relationship feel close and trust each other, but there is no desire for intimacy or commitment as a couple.

Infatuated love In this way of loving there is a lot of passion, however, there is neither intimacy nor commitment, which makes this type of relationship superficial. It would be a kind of romance but ending soon or the beginning of a relationship, where there is a lot of desire to be intimate but not enough trust and commitment.

Empty love There is the commitment to be together, but the passion and intimacy have died. They do not feel anything for each other, but there is a feeling of respect and reciprocity. In arranged marriages, relationships often begin with empty love, It also usually manifests itself in long-term relationships.

Romantic love Romantic love is a way of loving in which the members of the relationship feel attraction and excitement, and also have trust and closeness. If this stage continues with great experiences together, it will end up provoking commitment.

Companionate love It usually occurs in long-term relationships. There is intimacy and commitment, but no passion. It is the type of love that can manifest itself when the couple lacks desire and excitement towards the other person, but living together, children and experiences together keep them together. This relationship may seem satisfying to the members and last a long time.

Fatuous love In fatuous love, passion and commitment predominate, but there is no intimacy. Fatuous love can occur because the members of the couple want to be together, since there is a desire and excitement to live intimate experiences, however, they do not have much in common.

Consummate love This is complete love. It is made up of the three elements of Sternberg's pyramid theory. Consummated love is the main love archetype, it is the ideal love and is also called mature love.

With an author like SJM it should come as no surprise that in fact most of his romantic partners always end in consummate love, all going through different stages but ending up the same with all three components present in their relationship.

Let's start by looking at the evolution of Feysand.

Liking/friendship: This relationship began with intimacy that led them to understand each other and have moments of empathy and acceptance.

Romantic Love:Feyre and Rhys begin to have moments of sexual attraction but these are accompanied by affection and mutual appreciation, they understand each other they have affection and security (Intimacy + passion)

Consummate love Feyre accepts Rhysand and they decide to commit to their relationship, we saw how they went from understanding each other to understanding and accepting, they also have sexual chemistry and intimate desires with each other and finally there is an acceptance of being a couple and building a relationship. (Intimacy + Passion + Commitment )

Let's see the romantic evolution of Nessian

Infatuated love: Nesian there is first a lot of desire to have intimate relationships but there is not enough trust or commitment. (Passion)

Romantic Love: We can see how Cassian and Nesta's relationship evolved to the point of understanding each other, appreciating each other's presence and what Cassian can bring to Nesta and vice versa (Passion + Intimacy )

Consummate Love: We know how difficult it was for Nesta to let go of control and committing to a relationship requires giving a bit of control to the partner, we see how Nesta evolved to feel good about commitment. (Passion + Intimacy + Commitment)

Let's see the evolution of Elriel

Liking/friendship: We see how Elain and Azriel's relationship in a certain way always remained on pleasant terms since they met, they felt comfortable enough to question each other as the books progress we see how little by little their relationship grows to understand each other enough to notice specific details in the other and enjoy mutual company (intimacy)

Romantic love: is a way of loving in which the members of the relationship feel attraction and excitement, and, in addition, they have trust and closeness, they can often understand each other without words since they know, perceive and notice each other so much that they discover what they think, there is a physical attraction on the part of BOTH ELAIN AND AZRIEL and an emotional attraction.

He needed to know what the skin of her neck tasted like. What those perfect lips tasted like. Her breasts. Her sex. He needed her coming on his tongue-

Azriel’s cock strained behind his pants, aching so fiercely that he could hardly think. He prayed she didn’t peer down. Prayed she didn’t understand the shift in his scent.

“Yes,” he said, his thumb sweeping in long strokes along the side of her throat.

Her arousal drifted up to him, and his eyes nearly rolled back in his head at the sweet scent. He’d beg on his knees for a chance to taste it. But Azriel just stroked her neck again.

For Sarah's favorite archetype Elain and Azriel need to have the commitment factor, we know that will be the plot of the Elriel book.

Now let's see where Elucien would fit into these categories.

Empty love: We see on several occasions how the only thing that unites Elain and Lucien is a bond mate with which they both feel uncomfortable so they are currently in "this kind of love"

In this relationship there is no "intimacy" they do not understand each other, they do not know each other, they do not enjoy each other's company, we have not seen signs that they desire each other sexually other than those of the bond when we enter Lucien's mind

Could a relationship like this be the key for intimacy and passion to grow? YES AND NO, intimacy could develop but it would be a product of commitment, not mutual trust and passion could occur but the same would happen, it would be a product of the need to commitment. A small reminder this type of relationship is the most unsatisfactory for those involved.

Let's see where Gwynriel falls into this category.

Well, actually, Gwynriel is in a very special type. Sternberg introduces non-love, which is when none of the three components of love are present in a relationship.

There will be people who argue that Azriel and Gwyn are friends but that is not true. Azriel does not think of Gwyn as a friend, also in his conversation he wanted to avoid her and it seems that he stayed alone so as not to seem rude.

How are the books right now that is the romantic relationship that couples have based on this theory.

This post was written thanks to my bestie @nitecourtfairytail I talked to her for hours before I dared to make a post, we also spent until dawn trying to find NESSIAN's first romantic moment haha Thanks friend ❤️

Here you can check the information: Sternberg, R. J. (1986). A triangular theory of love. Psychological review

#pro elriel #elriel #elain archeron #azriel #azriel shadowsinger #nessian #feysand #I'll put these tags because I'm talking about these couples #if it's an inconvenience let me know or just block me #anti gw*nriel #anti el*cien #It's 4am so if there are any typos please let me know tomorrow

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elrielonlyfans · 3 years

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feysand in acowar: “You said your mother and father were wrong for each other; Tamlin said his own parents were wrong for each other.” I peeled off my dressing robe. “So it can’t be a perfect system”

“And sometimes, yes—the bond picks poorly. Sometimes, the bond is nothing more than some … preordained guesswork at who will provide the strongest offspring. At its basest level, it’s perhaps only that. Some natural function, not an indication of true, paired souls.”

“Many mated pairs will try to make it work, believing the Cauldron selected them for a reason. Only years later will they realize that perhaps the pairing was not ideal in spirit.”

azriel in acosf bonus chapter: “What if the cauldron was wrong?”

anti elriels: WHY would azriel say something completely random and entitled like that? elriel stans are so delusional he was just talking out of his ass because THE CAULDRON IS NEVER WRONG! 😡 then we should start questioning all mated couples!

elriels: feyre was questioning the cauldron just by looking at elriel and comparing azriel to lucien. she has a whole conversation with rhys in which he answers the cauldron can be wrong (see quotes above) is it really delusional for elriels and azriel to actually question the cauldron when elain has feelings for someone who is not her mate and azriel knows that? is it really weird when that scene is a direct parallel to acowar and both involve elriel & elucien Again? maybe if the narrator questions something you should start questioning it too.

anti elriels: *acting like that acowar scene doesn’t exist and continue acting like the cauldron is a perfect matching system*

#elriel #azriel #elain archeron #acosf #pro elriel #acotar #elain x azriel #antielucien #antigwynriel #what if the cauldron is wrong cult where are u my loves

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lovemyromance · 1 day

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I'm going to say this once, and I am not going to voice this again because the fact that it even has to be said, is absolutely crazy.

Nothing in ACOSF has shown us that Gwyn is ready for a relationship. She can't even leave the library at the end of ACOSF to attend Nessian's mating ceremony. She is probably now even more traumatized after the BR, and rightfully so.

Could she one day be in a relationship with a male/female? Sure. But that time is not now, right after ACOSF.

Right now, she is NOT ready for a relationship with anyone (including Azriel).

Do not get me wrong. If there had been ANY sign she had shown interest romantically in any character - I would not be saying this. But she has not shown that for anyone, let alone for Azriel.

Gwyn is going to eventually heal. But she does not need a man to do so. She does not need to play sidekick to Azriel and help him handle his so called "darkness" to heal.

Y'all can't just force her into a ship when she's clearly not ready for a relationship. Well, I suppose you can, but that would be disrespectful to SA victims everywhere.

Fictional character or not, SA trauma is real. Forcing this timeline of healing on Gwyn or shipping her with someone just so she can "fix him" or suit his "sexual freak" nature is just downright ignorant.

If y'all like Gwynriel because you think the aesthetic is cute or you think they'd compliment each other - that is fine. But this dialogue of Gwyn is gonna fix him and she and Azriel HAVE to be together because some half-baked statement from Azriel's POV - it's so weird.

Stop shipping women with people they have shown no interest in. Same goes for people shipping Elain with Lucien, when she loses her boldness around him and shrinks into herself.

Literally the moment SJM shows Gwyn is ready and likes Azriel or Elain suddenly gives Lucien the time of day out of her own free will, I will fully accept and understand the other ships.

But for now, I am shipping the couple that has actually shown desire and attraction and affection for each other. Just my opinion, and I'm not entertaining any arguments on this.

#elriel #elain archeron #azriel #acotar #elain x azriel #pro elain #elain #antielucien #antigwynriel

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emmitaaa4 · 2 months

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“Elriel is too predictable! It’s boring & lazy writing!”

… 🧍‍♂️

My brother in Christ. You call SJM the fated mates author. Through 15+ books and 3 series she hasn’t diverged from that trope. Elain has a “mate”.

If an Elriel outcome is predictable, it’s because the author willed it so and therefore ✨wrote scenes✨ to ✨develop their relationship✨.

and by that i mean…

(long post ahead…. bear with me)

SJM wrote Mr. “I don’t need to resort to poetry” going all Azriel Allan Poe, flustered as he tells Elain “we are born hearing the song of the wind”. She wrote him uncharacteristically open & talkative, while when he 1st met Feyre he deferred all her questions to others.

SJM wrote that despite how different they may look, Elain does not balk from Az. She never has: from their 1st meeting she finds comfort in him, and he in turn notices her—she’s never been afraid of him, he has always seen her.

SJM wrote the 1st coherent thing to come out of Elain’s mouth in WaR to be “beautiful” as she beholds Azriel’s scarred hands. In turn, she wrote our gardener not minding imperfections on hers, for despite her lady-like conditioning, she prefers to get her hands dirty.

SJM wrote Az spending time with her in the sunshine: no forced conversation, no one hEaLinG anyone, just them both doing their own thing as a relaxed Az suns his wings. Just two pals comfortable with one another… which SJM foreshadowed in MaF through Feyre’s “Elain would likely cling to Az for some peace and quiet”.

SJM wrote Az and Cass both stilling at the sight of El & Nes, she wrote Az cutting in to set Elain up in her garden even as Feyre was about to do it, she wrote the mention that Elain was safe after the twin raven’s attack bc Az had stayed with her at the townhouse.

SJM wrote Azriel’s eyes churning as he looks at Elain and her too-thin body, before abruptly winnowing away, and we’re left with Mor looking at the spot where he left. Wonder what that was about (it certainly did not remind me of Rhys in TaR).

You know, Elriels are not just making stuff up and theorizing about the E/ucien bond cause we’re desperately pulling at straws…

SJM had Madja say “a mate would know if something is amiss”, then wrote a scene juxtaposing both Lucien’s and Azriel’s reactions/assessments of what was going on with Elain… and she had Azriel be the one to know nothing was “wrong” with her—no, she just had rare powers and needed to be heard, to be taken seriously. He didn't let her be misunderstood, for he was the ONLY one that listened to her, that took her visions/ramblings seriously right from the get go. And so he gave Elain the understanding she needed to free herself from the dream-like murky realm she was trapped in. Through it all, SJM emphasizes that Azriel also understands what it is like to struggle with rare, strange, prized powers in silence; what it’s like to be othered by them. I’ve said it before and i’ll say it again: she sees everything and he hears everything.

SJM wrote that “Elain had hoped that love would trump even a mating bond” and had her characters question the Cauldron in relation to Elucien *twice* (years apart!).

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SJM wrote Az being the only one—in a room full of Made beings speaking of being Made—to notice that Elain was missing. A reassuring but empty statement by Cass that they’d get her back….but then it was Azriel that stated, eyes glowing golden, that HE would be getting her back, despite the girl’s own sister discouraging him & telling him he’d die. Hell, Feyre had this whole deliberation on whether she’d join him only after he’d say he’d go. His initiative.

The Hybern scene is too long to add, but this post and this theory break it all down brilliantly.

Yes, Az has sacrificial tendencies. Yes, he’d risk his life for loved ones in general. But we have never seen him this affected, and it is because SJM purposely used language to emphasize Elain and Azriel’s meaningful reactions to the other… despite it being wholly “unnecessary”

It is all intentional… lazy’s antonym.

SJM wrote the Truthteller scene. She emphasized the exchange, which left Cassian gasping and Rhys flabbergasted; it also left Feyre with a significant painting in her mind. It lead to Elain, aka “my God has answered me,” stepping out of a shadow to save her sister. Azriel, aka “God is my help”, indeed helped armed Elain so she could answer her sisters prayers.

SJM ended WaR with Elain’s smile literally lighting up Az’s shadows.

SJM had Elain’s thoughtful gift to him make his eyes the brightest we’ve seen—and by doing so gave us the most beautiful description of his earthy eyes, “the hues of green amid the brown and gray like veins of emerald.” We have never seen Az so joyful & carefree throughout the entire series.

SJM wrote that Azriel beat Feyre to Elain’s side as she was looking out into the night. She wrote Elain stilling at the sight of a dashing Azriel—her throat bobbing—while Az “just moved towards her”.

SJM wrote the potato scene—“sit i’ll take care of it”—Azriel again being the one to respect Elain’s presence & contribution as he makes a room full of his “superiors” wait until Elain finishes tidying herself up (cause girlie wanted to look put together for a certain shadowsinger). Mor gapes, Amren smirks, Rhys talks of Az’s mom… all because of that surprising, singular behaviour from him.

SJM wrote Az making a joke at Amren’s expense upon noticing Elain’s discomfort; our girl’s shoulders indeed relax in relief. THE LIGHT RETURNS IN HER EYES.

SJM has Azriel staying up past 3am with Elain, listening to her speak of something she is passionate of.

SJM wrote Azriel spending an entire convo with his brothers looking out into the garden from the window (SJM mentioned it 4 times yet some still missed it).

SJM wrote Rhys goading Az for a reaction as he quizzes him on Lucien and Grayson; wrote Rhys realizing that Azriel did not want to know what Elain did with Lucien (in the case she did anything). She wrote Azriel nervously stuttering as he asks risks if they need to get the sisters a present… I wonder why.

And Rosehall… SJM wrote ROSEhall: cracktheory this cracktheory that, to the gwonriels I’d say we both know you wouldn’t say it’s irrelevant had SJM chosen to call his estate Tealhall.

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Keep in mind: SJM could have written those significant scenes and ultimately kept it PG: she could have chosen language that built up a profound platonic relationship.

Yet… in MaF she has Feyre comment that they would be good together—as in make a good *couple*. WaR roles in and they’re both dealing with the very public rejections they went through—but SJM had them build a quiet companionship in the background, while giving them a wealth of scenes of great significance for both their characters, and while using language like “she DEVOURED the sight of him” “he CRADLED her to his chest”. In FaS they are slowly but surely getting over their last loves, and SJM continues developing their connection.

And in ACOSF, in the book that supposedly “ended” Elriel…

SJM wrote Az following the sound of her laugh (😭). “ It’s just lust” PLEASE BFFR.

SJM chose to remind us—THREE times—of the Hybern rescue scene... then had Az tell Cass that he’d know, in his chest, if something happened to Nesta.

SJM had Az longingly stare at the gift Elain gave him every night for a YEAR—mind plagued by thoughts of her—made him so affected by her that he had reactions to every mention of her name in SF, so affected that it took Nes one look at them to notice his feelings, to reach out in comfort upon noticing the pain that keeping himself apart from to her caused him. As SJM said she would, Nes saw through his secret in ACOSF, still it is “his secret to tell, never hers”. After Solstice we are met with a grumpy Azriel, who lost the snowball fight for the 1st time in centuries (i wonder why…).

SJM chose to link his every secret back to his feelings for Elain, as per the bonus . Why does he stay up so late and wake up so early? He longs for Elain so much he can’t sleep. Why is he staying in the HoW? It is too hard to be close to Elain given their circumstances; he must physically distance himself from her. Why has he moved on from Mor after centuries? Elain. Why is he grumpy post Solstice? The argument with Rhys concerning Elain.

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Ultimately, SJM wrote for Elriel:

- Complementary imagery (flowers and death? light and dark blending together to form something new… DUSK, anyone?)

- AND plot altering scenes

- AND chose to liken them to one another multiple times

- AND genuine moments of companionship that slowly bloomed into something more…

… Is it so insane to believe that maybe SJM spent so much page time and effort building connections & common ground between them because she intends for elain & az to find peace and quiet within one another?

Or idk, maybe it was all for shits and giggles… and if it was i salute her commitment to the shits and the giggles🫡

Either way, it is the opposite of lazy writing…

It’s SJM’s world & words, and we are just reading them.

P.S: This was all just typed on my cell phone from the top of my head… yes remembering all this is probs concerning, yes I am obsessed. Please correct me if I got anything wrong.

#elain archeron #azriel #elriel #pro elriel #azriel shadowsinger #pro elain #pro azriel #acomaf #acowar #acosf #elain x azriel #elucien-bond #antigwynriel #not even anti; just pro common sense

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dameaylins · 3 months

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lol it makes me soooo angry when people say elriels have no reading comprehension!! The other ships don’t even have anything TO read like?? Their ships have maybe 1-2 lukewarm interactions between them in the text.

Do people not understand how writing works? SJM already made Elain & Lucien mates in ACOMAF. If she “would never destroy a mating bone” and “loves mating bonds” then why would she specifically spend the rest of the books talking about how uncomfortable Elain is and how they both avoid each other? If the mating bond is the end all be all, then why waste precious words saying it made them both uncomfy? It’s not enemies to lovers (which is a trope she already did with feyre and Rhys), it’s APATHY. Big difference.

In terms of the other ships: Gwyn and Azriel interact every single day in Valkyrie training. Nesta and Cassian (who the antis have crowned the authority on narration because he’s OBVIOUSLY the Miranda preiesly of velaris) are also both present at training. Do people realize how EASY it would’ve been to show multiple moments between Az and Gwyn during training that could be romantically coded? Him helping her with daggers, hand on the small of her back, skimming over her hip, she kisses his cheek - all these are subtle - very easy ways to show a slowly emerging relationship between Az and Gwyn.

But SJM did not go that route. Despite the fact that they interact every single day - Neither nesta or Cassian thinks anything about their interaction is worthy of noting. Because they are all platonic.

Comparatively, both nesta and Cassian (though he hasn’t put all the puzzle pieces together yet) explicitly show how they are witnessing SOMETHING between elain and Az. Nesta even explicitly states she knows why Azriel avoids the fire, avoids Lucien. So SJM goes out of her way to write interactions between Az & Elain and- even though Gwyn is “right there” (as if she isn’t a strong powerful character in her own right and should be reduced to being the backup love interest for a man she has shown zero interest in). Reading comprehension doesn’t even come into play because while elriel has been built up since that first moment in ACOMAF - the other ships have half a bonus chapter of platonic banter (very similar to the banter of az and feyre when he was teaching her to fly btw) and something about a ribbon meant to be a symbol of womanly strength. Oh, and Cassian being the velaris fashion police.

Make it make sense???

#antigwynriel #antielucien #anti gwynriel #anti elucien #I AGREE I AGREE #AMEN BROTHER #i love cassian the miranda priestly of velaris so true

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theseeingfawn · 15 days

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Amused by the Gwnyriel post on reddit asking people for evidence that Gwyn is a Lightsinger. They claim its not a ship thing and it's just an outlandish Elriel theory to make Gwyn seem evil. They are straight up ignoring the overwhelming evidence that Gwyn possesses siren like magic. Their argument is that they like Gwyn, and she can't be evil.

#elriel #azriel x elain #elain x azriel #antigwynriel

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lovemyromance · 1 day

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#elriel #elain archeron #azriel #acotar #elain x azriel #elain #pro elain #antielucien #antigwynriel

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lovemyromance · 3 days

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just saw a Gwynriel say "guilty as sin" on SJM's story was about Gwynriel and I can't stop laughing.

One of the lyrics in the song is "Without ever touching his skin / How can I be guilty as sin?"

And Gwynriel logic was "well Elain HAS touched Azriel before so the song can't be about them. Gwynriel hasn't touched, therefore the song is about them."

Suddenly the entire origins of the Gwynriel ship makes a lot of sense 😂. If that's how surface level they are reading the books then yeah, now I get it.

#elriel #elain archeron #azriel #acotar #elain x azriel #pro elain #elain #antigwynriel

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lovemyromance · 3 days

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How are people thinking Azriel's POV of how he loses sleep over Elain, he wants to taste Elain, he is desperate to kiss her, he agonizes over the state of her mating bond is just a "platonic" or "siblings" relationship ....

And yet, they think "See you tomorrow, Shadowsinger" is the epitome of endgame romance flirtatious everlasting love?

Do y'all think SJM is trying to just use her writing to lie and gaslight or something? Like that is not the end goal here. She already did the big LI plot twist in ACOTAR and it took 2 whole books (and honestly it wasn't even a plot twist, if you read it with a discerning eye) That's not what's happening here.

#elriel #elain archeron #azriel #acotar #elain x azriel #pro elain #elain #antigwynriel

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lovemyromance · 1 month

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Azriel: <just doing his job in Sangravanah, angry to see another woman violated>

Gwynriels: omg mate behavior

Azriel: <Saved Gwyn from two Hybern soldiers and passed her off to Mor, who carried her out>

Gwynriels: omg he carried her to safety

Azriel: <goes against orders to save Elain from Hybern's camp, won't let go of Elain despite his shredded wings, demands to get the chains off her>

Gwynriels: Feyre saved Elain, not Azriel. And Elain didn't even care about Azriel

Azriel: <is willing to get on his knees for Elain>

Gwynriels: omg incel

2 pages later

Azriel: Helps a priestess train when he was trying to be alone but ran into her by accident

Gwynriels: something sparked in his chest, they are mates how romantic

Cassian: <going feral and numb with worry when Nesta gets taken for the BR>

Azriel: they'll be fine. You know who we need to save though? ERIS

Gwynriels: it's because he trusts that they're capable and that's shows mate behavior duh

Which is it? Either the supposed bond between them snapped when he saved Gwyn or it didn't.

Either it snapped when something "sparked in his chest" or it didn't.

Either he's an incel or he's not?

You can't have it both ways. People don't change within TWO PAGES. He cannot be an incel with Elain and then magically reformed with Gwyn on the next page.

It just doesn't make sense that Gwyn is supposed to be his mate. He's seen her in a traumatic situation, and the bond didn't snap. He trained the priestesses every day, and the bond didn't snap. She got taken -similar to Elain- and the bond didn't snap. So tell me, don't you think if this theory were true, this 500 yr old Spymaster would know she is his mate by then? Especially if the antis believe all he wants is a mate anyways?

Let's be logical now.

Azriel is literally the most protective/respectful of the bat boys. You're telling me he found his mate (that he's been so desperate for apparently) and when she gets taken to the BR he just - what? Doesn't react at all?

You want mate behavior? Look at Cassian. He has more reason than Azriel to believe the girls are trained well they should trust in that, since he was their instructor from the beginning. And yet, he's going crazy because that's his mate. Azriel does not react that way at all in this scenario ...

... but he does when Elain gets taken.

Arguably, that's the only time we've seen such a reaction from him on the page.

Gwynriels stay contradicting themselves with each new argument. Honestly, just pick a struggle 😒 How are you out here claiming Azriel and Gwyn are mates, Az is an incel, and Azriel doesn't care about Elain all in one breath?

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