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98chao · 1 year
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stairway to heaven or something
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windmills123 · 1 year
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wheres she going.......?
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What Did Kris Say To Susie? (An Analysis)
tw)) Suicide mentions, self-hatred, bullying, manipulation, child abandonment, implied neglect/abuse
Back during the Spamton Sweepstakes event, several secret links were discovered to Noelle’s blog, holidaygirl1225. One of these pages was called “the_n3w3st_g1rl_g1rl” in which Noelle describes Susie bullying Kris. I’m going to assume you’ve already read it and just jump into analyzing. Before we begin:
-We are going to assume nothing happened concerning Toriel between this and the beginning of chapter one.
-This just kind of covers a bunch of answers, how likely they are, how it would affect Susie, and why she reacted the way she did, in the answer.
“Noelle’s watching.”
Noelle is the only person in class Susie never picked on, according to her, and the only person in class that treats Susie nicely, according to the pencil incident. Susie may have picked on people, but evidence suggests she wants to make friends and is just painfully shy. For instance, when she wanted to play ball with the other kids, she accidentally kicked it into Undyne’s car because she was kicking so hard. After that Undyne “totally wiped them at handball” but Susie does not appear in the story after that, so we can assume she left. Susie apparently wants to stay in Noelle’s good graces, since she waited until Noelle had left to pick on Kris. So we could reasonably assume this was Kris’s response. But Kris doesn’t seem to know Noelle was watching until she says “Holy cheese and crackers!” and laughs. It also wouldn’t give Susie a reason to tell Kris, at the beginning of chapter one, “You’ve got a good mother. It’d be a shame to make her bury her child.”
“You’re crying.”/”You’re shaking.”/”You okay?”
Some have speculated Kris pointed out, sympathetically (more on that later), an emotional response to her own words Susie was having. Susie seems like she was projecting while telling Kris all this. If Kris noticed that she was feeling bad and tried to express sympathy, it could’ve created enough emotions at once that Susie simply became overwhelmed and left. She also has trouble figuring out how to respond to kindness, as seen when Ralsei hugs her and Toriel offers to bake a pie with her. That kind of kindness, especially when she was being mean to them, might confuse Susie enough that she leaves, and even feels bad. It could also explain why she commends Toriel at the beginning of chapter one, maybe as some sort of strange apology slipped in. It would also explain why she was holding her head low, as if in shame or sorrow.
“Like yours?”/”Why so specific?”/”You’re projecting.”/”Yo mamma.”
Basically, in this response, Kris points out bluntly exactly what Susie is doing. They get straight to the point and flash back with a cruel statement. This could startle, hurt, or scare Susie out of the room. She could be shocked Kris figured it out, upset they pointed it out, or scared they’ll tell everybody. But Susie might be angry more than anything else if Kris said that. And she certainly wouldn’t go out of her way to commend Kris’s mother at the beginning of chapter one. She’s unhappy with herself, but she isn’t going to let anyone but herself see that.
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What if Kris gave a smile, or…the ‘creepy face?’
In Undertale, we can see Asriel asking Chara to do a creepy face, screaming when Chara does it, and then laughing. Kris and Chara share many similarities, and Kris loved to scare Noelle especially as a child. Noelle mentions that she saw Kris’s mouth move, but she honestly wasn’t sure if they even said anything. So it’s very possible that Kris didn’t, instead just smiling or doing a creepy face. If the creepy face is enough to scare Asriel so bad he screams even when he’s expecting it, it could probably scare Susie away if it came out unexpectedly. Notably since Kris didn’t react to anything else at all. Just…imagine you’re expecting the usually expressionless weird kid to say something and instead they just give a grotesque smile. That would be terrifying. (Not that any of us would pick on the weird kid. In fact, I’m sure many of us are the weird kid. Moving on.)
“I hope so.”/”Good.”/"You're right."/"Sorry."
Personally, I think this is the most likely. Kris saying something so self-deprecating might be enough to shock Susie out of the room. Plus, Susie may have been picking on Kris, but she isn’t a horrible person. Finding out she’s been saying something so cruel to someone who’s already hurting could make her feel bad, and this is supported by her holding her head low as she left, as if in shame, like Noelle reports her doing. It would also explain why, at the beginning of chapter one, rather than pitching into Kris, she talks about herself, and how she’s going to get expelled, and what Kris is thinking about her (or so she claims.) It could even explain her telling Kris they have a good mom. A kind of roundabout apology, I guess you could call it.
“Do it.”/”Proceed”/"Just kill me."
This is the theory that Kris urged Susie to do so, to ‘make them disappear.’. This level of self-destructiveness, or just the idea of actually doing that to someone, could’ve scared Susie away.
“*Flee”
This answer suggests Kris had magical abilities before the events of Deltarune, or gained them in a previous trip to a Dark World. That Kris forced Susie to flee using magic. It’s a very plausible answer, and could explain why Susie commended Toriel later, perhaps in fear of being commanded to Flee again.
“Wanna be friends?”
An offer of friendship might’ve been surprising or humbling enough Susie ran away. Susie is shown to want friends, in the scene where she tried to play kickball and accidentally hit Undyne’s car. However, Susie assumes Kris won’t want her in the school, though she could be projecting. It could explain why Susie praised Toriel, as a round-about thank you.
“Again?”/”It wouldn’t be the first time.”
If Susie found out this had already happened to Kris–aka, that the person she was trying to hurt was already hurting–she might’ve been shocked out of the room, and ashamed, hence why she was hanging her head. It would also explain why she praised Toriel, as, again, a roundabout apology.
“I’ll do it myself.”
In this response, Kris threatened suicide. Again, Susie would figure out Kris had enough hurt from themself without her hurting them, and would run away in shame. But if Kris answered something with implications as extreme as this, it’s hard to imagine Susie picking on Kris any more after this. It would explain why Susie praised Toriel.
___ (These next answers seem a bit too long for me, but we intriguing enough I decided to mention them anyway.)___
“Have you ever thought about a world where everything is exactly the same, except you don’t exist? The thoughts terrifies me…”
…or some shorter equivalent. The idea is that Kris quoted Goner Kid as a response to being told they would disappear. Stating their worst fear is a world where they’re not there. That could have been unexpected enough to scare Susie away.
“Dess ‘disappeared.’ Noelle’s listening, that phrasing might hurt to hear.”
…Or, again, some shorter equivalent. Susie might not have known what happened to Dess until then. It could also be another reason Susie looked uncomfortable when Rudy brought up Dess. However, Kris doesn’t seem to know Noelle is there yet, and this answer is long, without giving Susie a reason to commend Toriel.
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Interesting…
Very interesting…
What do you guys think?
Or at least that’s my undertake. Reverse salutations and take care of yourself!
(P.S. I may update this in the future with more answers to analyze, if I get some requests or a positive response from this. I tried to cover all the major ones I’ve seen out there, but I’m probably missing something. Let me know if you can think of anything!)
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Ever wonder whether sans and Papyrus are using their real names?
sans is a comic. Literally, Comic Sans. Like, yeah, everyone's name in this game is a pun or an anagram or something. But it would totally make sense for sans to have come up with that name himself.
As for Papyrus:
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Many people think Noelle was talking about Pap, for several reasons, one of them being that this egg, like Papyrus, is "forgettable." Or at least, that its name is.
I've pointed out before that I don't think sans wants Pap to remember where they came from.
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We still don't know where they're from (or when). We know sans hides stuff from Papyrus. And that Papyrus pretends not to know stuff about sans and hides how much he does know from sans.
Anyway. There's not much more I can give to show the connection I drew. I just somehow came up with the theory that sans may have changed his and Papyrus' names when they came to the Underground. And mostly to protect Papyrus from whatever sans doesn't want him to remember.
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bleepzip · 2 years
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wonder what they said
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grapeproof · 1 year
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Noelle !!!
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utdr-stimming · 2 months
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CW: Major flash and eyestrain
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Noelle Holiday's game glitches and secrets blog (Spamton Sweepstakes) stim board!!!
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Thank you @photosensitive-despair for helping out correcting my flash warning tags! Their blog is really cool and spreads awareness, so I felt like publically tagging them would be good 👍
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@krispchippotassium123
Had to cover the name as it contained personal information, but no, krispchippotassium123. I do not know how to finish the ice palace maze. Holidaygirl1225 is busy right now... we are studying for a test. However, worry not! I will let her know of your question.
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holidaygirl1225new · 4 months
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MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! X)
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hoiidaygiri1225 · 3 months
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iceespizza · 4 months
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attempt at a noelle blog post. i used inspect element on the kris dreemurr kris post to make this. remember, this isnt an actual new blog post from noelle.
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jazzyjayjay · 2 years
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nobody talking about how fucking sick it must’ve been when kris bounced the apple susie threw at them off their notebook, caught it, and took a bite. THATS SO AWESOME IM SURE SUSIE WAS LIKE "DAMN THAT WAS COOL" IN HER MIND
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mossed-out · 11 months
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i already related to noelle on a spiritual level.
and then she had a video game glitches/secrets/theories blog. we are the same.
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Asriel's Minecraft Server: Chat
Just FYI:
Average_Moss_Enjoyer = Kris
Holidaygirl1225 = Noelle
Chalk-Eater = Susie (she would have used an underscore instead of a dash but doesn't know how)
Godofhyperdeath = Asriel
CocoaFlower = Chara
PersistentPebble = Frisk
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Average_Moss_Enjoyer joined world
Holidaygirl1225 joined world
Chalk-Eater joined world
Average_Moss_Enjoyer: hi asriel, it’s me Noelle and susie
Holidaygirl1225: hi!!!!
Chalk-Eater: h
Godofhyperdeath: uhhh Kris?? isn’t susie the girl that slams you into lockers…?
Holidaygirl1225: RUDE
Average_Moss_Enjoyer: Well NOW she’s the girl that slams ppl into lockers FOR ME -_-
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
Godofhyperdeath: You've asked her to slam people into lockers??kris what's going on over there?
Holidaygirl1225: TARGET ASRIEL
CocoaFlower: I’m down for that
Average_Moss_Enjoyer: gotta make a stone sword first
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
Godofhyperdeath was slain by CocoaFlower
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
Godofhyperdeath: Kris, why aren't you responding to me???
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
Chalk-Eater: im still here
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
Average_Moss_Enjoyer: same vibes as when she beat up berdly for calling susie sus-ie
Chalk-Eater: Im sorry, noelle did what?
Holidaygirl1225: Kris! you wreren’t supposed to tell anyone!
Average_Moss_Enjoyer: hahaha go brrrrr
PersistentPebble: Kinda playing’ catch-up here, who are all these people?
Holidaygirl1225: I’m Noelle! Kris and Asriels family friend, nice to meet you <3
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
PersistentPebble: Nice to meet you too.
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
Chalk_Eater: i’m susie
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
Average_Moss_Enjoyer: im kris…i think you already know im asriels sibling
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
Godofhyperdeath: Don’t worry, lemme explain! Noelle is Kris’s childhood best friend and my friend. You already know Kris is my little sibling, since I talk about them often. And Susie is someone who goes to Kris’s school. Everyone, these are my college roommates, Chara and their little sibling Frisk.
Godofhyperdeath was slain by Holidaygirl1225
Godofhyperdeath fell from high place while trying to escape Average_Moss_Enjoyer
Average_Moss_Enjoyer: long live the king
Holidaygirl1225: Did you just make a LION KING REFERENCE????????
Godofhyperdeath was slain by PersistentPebble
Godofhyperdeath was pricked to death by a cactus while trying to escape Average_Moss_Enjoyer
Average_Moss_Enjoyer died
CocoaFlower: Did…did asriel just use his admin privileges to kill kris?????
Godofhyperdeath: and i’ll do it again. btw Kris I’m putting your stuff in a chest ^^
CocoaFlower: Youre abusing your powers!!!
Average_Moss_Enjoyer: thx.
Average_Moss_Enjoyer: So CocoaFlower and PersistentPebble are humans?
Godofhyperdeath: Yes…Kris you arent about to be racist are you?
CocoaFlower: Wait what?
Average_Moss_Enjoyer: Got it
Average_Moss_Enjoyer: Susie if they come within ten blocks of me light them on fire
CocoaFlower: UGH
Chalk_Eater: sure
Holidaygirl1225 was slain by Godofhyperdeath
Holidaygirl1225: GASP
Godofhyperdeath: SOrry Noelle it had to be done. You were getting out of hand
PersistentPebble: Uhh I thought Kris was human?
Godofhyperdeath: I apologize for my little sibling; being raised in a monster community, they’re a bit scared of humans. And yes they are human, they were adopted.
PersistentPebble: Oh, are their birth parents passed? Condolences.
Average_Moss_Enjoyer: no they just hated me
CocoaFlower: mood
PersistentPebble: Dear Angel this chat is a calamity
Godofhyperdeath burnt to death while trying to escape Holidaygirl1225
Godofhyperdeath: NOELLE. YOU HAVE TO CHILL A LITTLE.
AlphaGamer814 joined the game
Average_Moss_Enjoyer: hey babe welcome to the server
Godofhyperdeath: OKAY, WE’RE DONE FOR TODAY
Next.
(Basically Asriel has a mineccraft server for him and his roommates but now everyone is invading it and Noelle has gone completely agro on her surrogate big brother.
I had lots of fun making this and coming up with the usernames, so I hope you enjoy reading it. It's kind of a mess but hey that's what I think a Minecrfat world with these guys would be like! so y'know. No regrets ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )
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Note: This is not a joke post. My conclusion is perfectly serious. It might make some people mad.
So, Noelle can see that Susie is bully. Even straight-up calls Susie a bully. And points out that Susie is the biggest bully to Noelle's old friend and next-door neighbor.
Rudy points out that Noelle loves scary things. After seeing holidaygirl1225's posts, I feel that it's safe to say Noelle is practically obsessed with being scared.
Noelle never did anything to interfere or stand up to Susie, even while watching Susie bully Kris. She said she "froze". Her attention to every little detail of the scene where Susie threatened Kris suggests that Noelle was riveted, fascinated by what was taking place.
Noelle said she always thought Susie "couldn't be that bad," and offered to switch seats with Kris so that Noelle would be the one "getting smashed into lockers and stuff."
In conclusion:
Noelle isn't into Susie because she wants Susie to protect her. Rather, Noelle is a masochist.
Now, I think I also want to point out that it may not be just a kink. Her behavior throughout Snowgrave, with her pushing herself to "get stronger" and wearing the Thorn Ring even though it is extremely painful, to the point of severely reducing her HP, indicates that something inside her not only welcomes pain and fear, but may also be pushing her into it due to a misguided belief that pain and fear will make her better, somehow.
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subiehasissue · 1 year
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lil doodles to accompany Holliday girl's private post
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