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mw-draws · 4 years

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look, while it may not be absolutely perfect, Doctor Who has always (since its revival) handled lgbt+ representation much better than most other shows. yes, there's quite a significant trope of "Bury your gays" here and there (looking at you chibnall), but the fact that for 15 years, the show has had lgbt+ representation here and there, is just incredible.

Doctor Who is an amazingly inclusive show. we've had gay characters, trans characters, bi characters, lesbian characters, pan characters, ace characters, loads of characters from throughout the spectrum and it's amazing. how many other shows have done that? no, the representation isn't perfect, it will never be truly perfect. there'll always be that one thing someone said or the fact that most lgbt+ characters aren't often main characters, but there's always that safety and acceptance in Doctor Who and its always trying.

I mean, the main character's gender and sexuality is literally fluid, the Doctor doesn't give a fuck about gender and the fact that trans and non-binary people can relate to the Doctor about something like that is amazing. I've seen so many people headcannoning the Doctor as whatever gender identity/sexuality they want and the fact that they can find themselves in the Doctor is just brilliant, it makes me so happy.

we're now able to have the possibility of seeing the 13th Doctor kiss a woman. it's absolutely canon that the 13th Doctor is still attracted to women. it's canon that's she's married to a woman. it is canon that we have a wlw Doctor and that's great! that's something that will never, ever be taken away from us. and even then, before the Doctor became a woman, they've been in mlm relationships, kissed men and admitted to having a man-crush on the Master. the Doctor is not and never has been straight. we have Bill, the first explicitly lesbian companion and that's wonderful! we have jenny and vastra, a lesbian couple in the 19th century. we have Captain Jack, an omnisexual man, played by an explicitly gay man. we have Clara, Yaz and possibly Graham all hinted at being bi (although, most people find that these characters are bi due to personal headcanons, but because of these hints, these headcanons are possible. I am in no way saying that these characters are explicitly bi, especially Graham). we have loads of lgbt+ characters and that's something that will never change.

the representation in series 11, wasn't perfect, no, far from it, but series 11 had the most lgbt+ random side characters that I've seen in years. however, as I've stated, it unfortunately fell into the "Bury your gays" trope which is really shit. series 12, so far, has been a massive improvement on that trope, giving us a gay couple who was important to the story and both of them survived. yeah, it's not the greatest rep ever, but it's getting better.

Doctor Who is and has always been about inclusivity and that's one of the reasons why I love it so much. the fact that so many lgbt+ fans can find themselves in these characters and relate to them is fucking wonderful and I absolutely love it. the show loves and cares for its lgbt+ fans and always tries to represent them in some way. you can tell that lgbt+ representation is important to every showrunner so far and they have all, in one way or another, brought lgbt+ representation to Doctor Who.

#sorry for the long post but I needed to say it #it's just that I've been seeing stupid fuckung discourse over showrunners and their representation of the lgbt+ community #and it fucking annoys me #y'all are being so fucking childish sometimes #no #they're not perfect #they all have flaws #their representation has not been perfect #but I think what brings out this discourse is people's preferences of showrunner #and that's something that desperately needs to be put aside #because it does my fucking head in #it's so fucking childish and stupid #yes representation could be a lot better #but there could be some brilliant representation and someone would find some sort of problem with it #basically #tl;dr #lgbt+ representation in Doctor Who has not been perfect but it is 100% better than most other shows out there #goodnight #doctor who #lgbt #lgbtq #lgbt representation

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low-budget-korra · 4 years

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The first text I made was over 2,000 words so I’ll try to summarize it.

First I'm going to talk about what I think is Bury Your Gays and poor writing of minorities.

For me, Bury your gays is when certain productions kill the lgbt character for the sake of shock value, often in the most stupid ways possible. A famous example of this was what happened to Lexa in the 100. When it feels like the character only died because he is gay.

And for me, poor writing for minorities (poc, lgbt, people with disabilities ...) can be characterized as:

1. Productions that want to portray the image of progressives and put a poc or lgbt character (which are the most common cases) without personality, unimportant, without development ... Character that are just there for decoration

2. When they even create an interesting character but soon create a reason to kill him to shock the audience. Kill them because they are poc.

And for me having a poc or lgbt character (since these are the boxes where I identify with) interesting, important ... this is the word: Important! whether it is important directly in the plot as a protagonist who carries the story or a supporting role with a good role on the story and a good development, it is much more significant than a character forced only for certain productions not to be accused of racism, sexism or lgbtphobia.

Of course, each case is different. I will now comment briefly on Atomic Blonde, The Last of Us part II and The Legend of Korra.

In Atomic Blonde we have the death of Delphine, a lgbt character who has generated some discussions about being a "bury your gays". I don't particularly agree because I believe that if she were a man or straight, she would die anyway. Since the protagonist's other love interest had died in the beginning and he was a heterosexual white man, and because the character of Delphine, despite being a spy, did not belong in that work or life style . Something even commented by herself. She was an inexperienced agent in the worst possible scenario to be one . But i now understand and why some people still think It was bury your gays.

In The Last of Us part II I saw many people complaining about the death of Jesse, Yara and how Lev was just a supporting character. The Last of Us part II .... a game that is not afraid to kill loved characters without any ceremony simply because in that world, one mistake can cost your life. Regardless of gender, sexuality, age, skin color ...

Jesse and Yara played Asian American characters and died. Mel, Joel, Owen ... were Caucasian, cishet characters who died too. None of them die because they are asian american or caucasian, they die cuz that world is fucking ruthless.

And about Lev not being important just because he is an supporting character... First that he is for Abby what Dina is for Ellie, both of them are extremely important support for the protagonists and Interesting characters with their own internal struggles and development. I think it is very unfair to throw this away with the argument like: "ah, but he is not the protagonist so it is not important"

And still about The Last of Us part II we are talking about a game and for those who do not know the gamer community is toxic, full of sexism, racism, lgbtphobia ... And the game developers had the balls for not only make two protagonists women outside the steryotype of femme fatalle or defenseless love interest(still very present in games) and one of them a lesbian, but also introducing an important trans character in a mainstream high-budget game.

People, until recently the only image we had of women in games was that of a busty model running around, made purely to please male players, good and important black, asian and lgbt characters was really rare or just didnt exist at all.

And today we have characters like Ellie, Lev, Kassandra (AC Odyssey), Jill Valentine and Claire Redfield who were reimagined more humanely in the remakes of Resident Evil, Lara Croft herself in the 2013 Tomb Raider remake, Max and Chloe(Life is Strange), Lee and Clementine(TWD from telltale), Marcus (Detroit Become Humam ), Connor (AC3) ... I know, there is still a long way to go until we have achieved the equality and representativeness that we want in the world of games but we are advancing. They may be a baby step but they still are steps forward. We should continue to support this initiatives and demand better representation.

Now about The Legend of Korra ... Reading the comments in the post i get the feeling that people were much more angry with Bryke for being cishet than with questions related to the narrative.

It bothers me the fact that it seems that whoever made the posts (originally from twitter) did not watch avatar or simply watched without paying attention. It was NEVER about Korra needed suffering but about finding Meaning in suffering. And yes, they are two different things.

When in the end Korra is talking to Tenzin, about understand the why she had to go through all that , for them be abble to be more compassionate of others. That shit is real. When you have a panic attack , for exemple, you become more abble to help someone who also suffers from that. Or when some people lose someone for a disease or acident and choose to become a doctor to help others, wanting no other person had to go through that pain... In this case, the person didnt have to lose someone to be a doctor but maybe after saw all the fight that the doctors put in to save someone and the pain of losing someone may have made the person spend the rest of his life saving people. Get It?

And in Avatar, both TLA and TLOK, people have suffer.

Aang: Cast aside by his friends when people discover he was the Avatar. Runaway and lose all of his people. Had to see the devastation for himself and find the bones of his friend and possible father figure. Almost die a few times. For many years had the weight of been the last of his people. And in a part of the journey, lost Appa.

Sokka and Katara: Lost their mother. Their dad leave to fight and possible die in the war. Sokka was only a teen when he was the man responsable for his tribe. Katara had the weight of being the only waterbender of her tribe and be the only one that could calm Aang once he was in Avatar State.

Toph: as a blind kid, her parents think of her as someone unable to do anything. Had to choose between save Appa or save the others in some point of their journey

Zuko: When i start with him?

Azula: oh Boy...

Iroh: Lose is only son. Had to see his brother burn Zuko's face. And Zuko betrayed him, kind of, in the end of book2.

Asami: Her mom was murdered , maybe even in front of her. Her dad was a evil genius. She probably suffered with Korra in those 3 years.

Mako and Bolin: They grow up as orphans on the streets...

I could go on and on, dude, even the cabbage man had suffer from losing his cabbages over and over.

But all of the sudden, Korra now had to have plot armor or else Bryke is wrong and are terrible people.

Everybody loves to talk about how perfect Zuko's arc and development is. Zuko, who was one of the characters who most have suffered in the show. But for him all was necessary, had meaning, perfect storytelling and structure but with Korra.... "She cant suffer cuz she is brown"

And its not like Bryke was making something up outta nowhere just to torture the character. All she face it was a consequence direct or indirect of her actions and actions of other people.

Amon and the Equalists? Aang didnt kill Yakone nor put him in prison for life, just took his bending. Yakone was a terrible father, and one of the reason Amon hate bending (even himself been a waterbender) so much to the point of him do what he did. The same to Tarrlok. He turn his sons into monsters. And the triads only help them, because they use their bending to rob the non benders.

Vaatu? Look up The Beginning epsodes because this one is more complex.

Unalaq? Look, the worst villain of Avatar. But he took advantage of things that happen as consequences of the ending of book1

Zaheer? Direct consequence of that happen in the finale of book 2.

Kuvira? Direct consequence of things that happen in book 3

Again, i could go on and on and go deeper on all that. But this is already getting to big.

But what pissed me off most is ... Look im years in this fandom. As a Brazilian i saw and read stuff from the fandom here in my country and the fandom here in Tumblr. And in those years i read so much about how Korra journey help people overcome their struggles with ptsd, anxiety, depression...myself included. How much Korra was important to lesbians and bissexuals girls, especially girls of color.

And them we have those few people throw shit on all this and "cancel" you for not agree with them...

The Legend of Korra ended 2014, 6 years ago and still is so loved, so important to so many people, for the most diverse reasons.

For a cishet, Bryke did a amazing job creating this amazingly beautiful universe. With the most diverse inspirations, coming from places that are forgotten on western media. But i guess its easier criticize, and cancel them and the show than do what they did.

I know that sometimes we just wanted a scape from our difficult reality but seriously, if you Just want a movie/tv show/book...100% happy, rainbow and sunshine with no suffering at all, stick with the fanfics because even romcons sometimes have their among of "i you make you cry and suffer" kind of shit.

Suffer is present in our life and what a lot of movies/tv shows/games/books...try to do is bring our struggles and our suffering into them. Why? Its easier have simpathy for characters who look like us, characters who had been through the same stuff as us.

Is so difficult talk those things in another language. I always feel like i didnt express myself right. And im really sorry if i offended anyone, it wasnt my intention.

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