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determinate-negation · 10 months

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as one of the foremost psychoanalysis posters on my dash i was wondering if you've heard this account of freud's early career: while treating women for hysteria he found that most of them were assaulted by male family members as children & developed psychological problems as a result (seduction theory?). but his writings on it were unpopular (especially among the wealthy men whose daughters he was treating), so he came up with the oedipus & electra complex as an alternate explanation that let his clients off the hook, instead saying that something just went wrong internally (lundy bancroft called it the beginning of victim-blaming in psychology).

as someone who knows more than i about this field, do you know if there's any accuracy to this story? it seems to imply psychosexual development theory exists to cover up traumatic events, which puts a shaky foundation under any later theories drawing from it, and people often dismiss all of freud & psychoanalysis because of it...

yes its true about the history seduction theory but im not entirely sure if it is as directly correlated to the oedipus complex as it often is thought by critics of freud, and i dont think it invalidates the principles of psychoanalysis as a whole. his correspondence with some other doctors in the 1890s are directly related to seduction theory and you can see that the issue of seduction theory concerned him a lot and he was reluctant to dismiss it but was very influenced by society at the time.

another complicating factor is that much of freuds work was preserved by his daughter anna freud, who was for the most part a conservative force in psychoanalysis both in her own practice and in how she presented his work. a lot of his letters and writings are omitted and edited because of her, including things that show his own ambivalence about certain ideas and how his relationships with other doctors and psychiatrists influenced him to take certain positions.

this article goes into it a bit and you can see the ways that anna freud has influenced our knowledge of freud and a little bit about this period of his studies. i think another thing people really miss when they talk about freud is that so much modern medicine we currently use today came from this time period as well and just as much of the "hard sciences" also came from some things that seem pretty ridiculous and unscientific to us today, and many just outright wrong, but only psychoanalysis is given so much skepticism and criticism.

this is not to defend it, freud was absolutely incorrect in many cases and, contrary to popular views of him, very aware of the limits of his knowledge and the inaccuracies inherent in pioneering any new type of medicine. this especially he emphasizes- that any new science is bound to make errors and be imprecise. freud constantly was reformulating his ideas and made many revisions to psychosexual theory throughout his life, not to mention by all the psychoanalysts who came after him. historically, its not surprising that freud and the other pioneering psychoanalysts, most of them austrian and german jews already occupying an uneasy position, were led to revise some of their more radical discoveries that appeared to threaten turn of the century european society. psychoanalysis was considered extremely shocking and obscene at the time for even venturing to say that sexuality had such a presence in peoples lives, and that people were not moved entirely by reason and rationality (as this was the era of the enlightenment and a lot of optimism about science) so sure its disappointing but not surprising that freud retracted some of his more controversial views. and likely he would not have been as successful if he did not retract them, unfortunately. similarly with some of his writings on bisexuality that seem to point to the idea that there is no natural drive towards heterosexuality and there is no natural form sexuality takes.

the oedipus complex came more from other studies and freuds own self analysis than from seduction theory (to my knowledge at least) freud actually applied the oedipus complex only to young boys initially and has some stuff (that in my opinion holds up fairly well today and is compatible with ideas of construction of sexual and gendered difference we have now) about how young girls only come to the position of seeing the father as a love object after they realize through societal and family norms they are not meant to want the mother and 'unwillingly' (this is how freud and other early psychoanalysts describe it) are forced to identify with the mother and desire the father. freud rejected the idea of a parallel electra complex for women broke with jung over this, among other things.

im very much against this idea of freud as the founder of modern misogyny or the "beginning of victim blaming in psychology." this is a myopic historiography that ignores how radical freuds approach was in comparison with psychology and medical science at the time. most physicians at the time believed that patients hysteric or neurotic symptoms were either signs of a physical organic disease or that they were consciously faking them and in control of them. (why is freud the father of victim blaming and not these doctors?) common treatment would mainly be locking them up to be studied or dubious 19th century surgeries and medical treatments. freud was one of the first to ever propose that hysteric and neurotic patients were not purposefully consciously deciding to do this but unconsciously reacting to something that happened to them, that symptoms represented a patient history that may be unknown or unarticulated to them but could be brought out by associations etc. thus that no symptoms are random or meaningless, all have some psychic significance, and it can be uncovered through analysis. this is the most crucial discovery of psychoanalysis, and although i think it was wrongly applied to seduction theory, he shows it time and again in many of his other clinical studies and interpretation of dreams, and it does not invalidate the whole of psychoanalysis

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thegirlwhowrites642 · 6 months

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Say your response about snape reacting to hinny, honestly it IS one of my guilty pleasures in fics. I hate when people say that jily and hinny are similar therefore harry has an oedipus complex, he is NOT. He cant have it bc he wasnt raised by his parents so he couldnt have it. I like the pararell simply bc it fixes the "what could have been", idk i think its a bittersweet sentiment. And like ginny is similar to lily NOT in appearances. They dont look alike, the most is just an anecdote for 'Potters and redheads' but I do like how theyre girls' girls you know? Despite being athletic ginny is girly and so was lily, they are fierce and protective of their friends, they are smart but not bookish smart and know it all like hermione, theyre popular not only bc theyre pretty but bc theyre so nice and friendly. I think its sweet that these are the good qualities Potter boys seem to have fallen in love with. Its a cute history pararell that is not at all creepy and people trying to use it to invalidate hinny are just dumb (im looking at you harmony shippers)

As I said in that post, I do think that Snape certainly saw parallels between James and Lily and Harry and Ginny: Harry's suspicion that Snape keeps him more in detention to keep him away from Ginny is never narratively disproven. And while that could only be due to Snape's intense dislike for Harry, what he find out in DH (including Snape's obsession with the past) points in the direction of him seeing James and Lily in Harry and Ginny, even simply because Harry looks like James and Ginny is a redhead.

Though, as you said, Ginny and Lily look nothing alike and if people knew how the oedipus complex works, they would know that if Harry had one, he would fall for someone similar to Petunia.

Now, let's look at Ginny and Lily's differences in appearance.

Ginny is short, Lily should be of average height.

Ginny is athletic, Lily is not.

Ginny has freckles (even if not many, at least on her face), Lily doesn't.

Ginny has flaming red hair, Lily has dark red hair.

Ginny has bright brown eyes, Lily has green eyes.

Also, from these traits, we can deduce Ginny has a warm undertone, while Lily has a cold one.

Of course, if jily fan artists stopped drawing Ginny with green contacts where Lily should be, it would help reminding people they are not long lost twins.

That said, there are some personality similarities between Ginny and Lily (and I also think the concept of Potter men falling for redheads is lovely).

We found out Lily was popular with the boys through an interview in which Rowling, to explain that particular point, directly used Ginny as reference.

They are also both great with a wand

They are both cheeky with professors, and for sure the fact that Slughorn likes both very much is telling.

They are both smart.

They both have a strong sense of justice.

They are both brave.

They both know what it means to lose a very close friend.

In general some similarities between the two are sort of inevitable considering that Lily is Harry's mother and Harry and Ginny are quite similar.

But there are also a lot of differences between them.

Ginny grew up poor, and while Lily didn't grow up rich, she was not Weasley type of poor.

Ginny grew up in the countryside in the open air, Lily grew up in the suburbs (I apologize to all the Brits if this is not the correct term).

Ginny is the younger of seven siblings and the only girl, Lily is the younger of two sisters.

Ginny is part of a close-knit family, Lily isn't.

Ginny is a pureblood, Lily is a muggleborn.

Ginny is an athlete, Lily isn't.

Ginny is popular with boys like Lily, but Ginny is also in general a very charismatic person who can keep the attention of a room, there's no proof of Lily being popular in that sense.

Ginny has a thing for taking emarginate/fragile people under her wing, we don't know if that's the case with Lily, the only person we see her defend is her best friend (also, we can be sure Ginny would have been considerably more angry about the Mary MacDonald episode).

Ginny has a stand-up comedian sense of humor, and while Lily seems to have a sense of humor it's not really on that level.

Ginny can be quite feminine, we really don't know if that's the case for Lily, though I would suspect a teenage girl in a boarding school in the 70s who grew up in a female-dominated house would be.

Lily's dominant trait seems to be kindness, and while I do consider Ginny generally kind, it definitely is not her dominant trait.

And of course they grew up in very different political circumstances, Lily had an overall normal teenagehood, Ginny was touched by darkness extremely young.

And I really could go on for hours in explaining why they are different, but it really wouldn't be fair. Ginny is a three dimensional character with light and dark sides, various interests, and fully developed narrative arcs that go on for seven books, while Lily simply covers the role of the angel woman and is therefore quite aetherial as a figure.

Regardless of this, as you pointed out, there's an element when it comes to jily and hinny of "fixing history", it's something Rowling has quite an obsession for throughout the seven books, the idea of the next generation doing better than the previous one. It is the reason why, for example, we see Draco in the epilogue, to show that Harry learned from the people before him to not hold hatred for years.

Harry and Ginny's story kind of reproduces James and Lily's one in a way. With one partner that falls first, and years of misinterpretation and refusal to admit attraction from the other. But this brings me to my next point, which is that if anything Ginny is James not Lily in terms of personality and the role she covers in her romantic endgame relationship, and it makes sense considering Harry is more like Lily: if the combination of James and Lily's personalities works, and Harry is more like Lily, it is only reasonable to assume Ginny will be somewhat similar to James. There's a foundation of truth in the idea that people usually end up marrying someone similar to one of their parents, and it's not the oedipus complex.

James and Ginny both have a tendency to surround themselves with "fragile" people.

They are both excellent Quidditch players, they both are chasers with a talent for snitches.

They are both bold and a bit arrogant.

Even if for different reasons, they both grew up a bit isolated.

They both do not have much of a problem with hexing someone they consider an idiot.

They are both really funny.

They are both smart and great with a wand.

They are both charismatic.

They are both dorks at their core.

They are both purebloods.

They both have a fascination for stories and heroes and in general have a romantic streak.

They both had to go through a journey of maturation to show their true selves to the object of their affection.

In general, I have to say that while there are parallels between the characters of the two different generations, I find it very limiting to connect a character to only another of the other group.

As written above, Harry and Ginny –in spirit if you will– are respectively Lily and James and inevitably therefore they assume those roles in their romantic stories. But there are points of view in which Harry is James and Ginny is Lily.

Harry, like James, is sort of the leader of his friend group, and Ginny as Lily is more or less the external element that eventually enters the group. In this idea Ron would be Sirius, the best mate of the leader. Though of course, the connection between Ginny and Ron is much stronger than the one between Lily and Sirius. And always in this perspective, Hermione is Remus, and not only in the role of the other friend. Hermione's loyalty to Harry seems often unjustified, sometimes it seems she would have been friends with Harry and Ron regardless of who they were simply because they accepted her as a friend and she didn't have any. This is a behavior that is reminiscent of Remus' inability to truly critique James and Sirius' questionable behaviors because they accepted him despite his werewolf condition. But then who is Peter? I've seen people say it would be Neville because they are both the losers, and always following the concept of the next generation being better, Neville does better then Peter because he doesn't let his fears turn him into a bad person. It's not even wrong as a concept but Neville is way closer to Ginny than he is to Harry. And then there's Luna. I've seen the people supporting this perspective of the generational parallels claim she would be Snape. Because they are both marginalized weirdos, and Luna does better than Snape because she does not turn into a death eater because of her isolation. Frankly, I'm not particularly convinced by the idea of defining Snape as an emarginate weirdo.

So as you can see, while some parallels can make sense, they always have their limits.

Another relatively popular idea is Ron and Hermione being like James and Lily. I've always found it very weak despite having some valid points. Yes, they are a pureblood and a muggleborn, Ron and Hermione are both prefects like James and Lily are both headstudents, and romione tends to cover quite often the role of surrogate parents for Harry. There's also an element of contrast between the partners. But fundamentally the dynamics are very different. Ron and Hermione have been best friends since age 11, that's definitely not the case for James and Lily. Then of course when you look at the relationship between Harry and the Weasleys, Harry is Sirius and Ron is James.

And to circle back to hinny: while I do not want to encourage the prongsfoot shippers, if you look at Harry and Ginny in terms of chemistry and attitude towards each other, they are James and Sirius, from the non-verbal communication to the banter. If you have ever read the short story Rowling wrote about James and Sirius, you can attest to the fact that those two could have easily been Harry and Ginny.

I think I might have gone quite out of the borders of your ask, but what I wanted to explain is that there are a lot of parallels that could be made between a lot of different characters, and they could be interesting to discuss without turning them into weird bashing theories.

I find that it is also important to distinguish between actual parallels the story makes, and dynamics that are similar simply because they are all written by the same author who, as authors do, has her themes and fixations.

The parallels between hinny and jily certainly exist, some are on purpose, and some are the consequence of how similar Harry and Ginny are. But one thing is for sure, if Harry married one of his parents, he married his father (lol).

#harry x ginny #harry potter #ginny weasley #james potter #lily evans #jily

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laufire · 13 days

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THERAPISTS AND EVALUATORS We need to take a large step back in time for a moment, to the early part of Freud��s era, when modern psychology was born. In the 1890s, when Freud was in the dawn of his , he was struck by how many of his female patients were revealing childhood incest victimization to him. Freud concluded that child sexual abuse was one of the major causes of emotional disturbances in adult women and wrote a brilliant and humane paper called “The Aetiology of Hysteria.” However, rather than receiving acclaim from his colleagues for his ground-breaking insights, Freud met with scorn. He was ridiculed for believing that men of excellent reputation (most of his patients came from upstanding homes) could be perpetrators of incest. Within a few years, Freud buckled under this heavy pressure and recanted his conclusions. In their place he proposed the “Oedipus complex,” which became the foundation of modern psychology. According to this theory any young girl actually desires sexual contact with her father, because she wants to compete with her mother to be the most special person in his life. Freud used this construct to conclude that the episodes of incestuous abuse his clients had revealed to him had never taken place; they were simply fantasies of events the women had wished for when they were children and that the women had come to believe were real. This construct started a hundred-year history in the mental health field of blaming victims for the abuse perpetrated on them and outright discrediting of women’s and children’s reports of mistreatment by men. Once abuse was denied in this way, the stage was set for some psychologists to take the view that any violent or sexually exploitative behaviors that couldn’t be denied—because they were simply too obvious—should be considered mutually caused. Psychological literature is thus full of descriptions of young children who “seduce” adults into sexual encounters and of women whose “provocative” behavior causes men to become violent or sexually assaultive toward them.

–"Why does he do that?: inside the minds of angry and controlling men.“, by Lundy Bancroft. Chapter 11, Abusive Men and Their Allies.

#talking to the void #quotes #books #why does he do that #current issues #intimate partner violence

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cyberthot666 · 1 year

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how men with a hentai addiction and oedipus complex towards their moms feel after accusing a woman they don’t like of having daddy issues

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batsarebetterthanpeople · 2 years

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When his father was a neglectful parent and an alcoholic and the two men that he's dated (that we know of) are a walking bottle of rum with a mustache and a neglectful father.

When his father was a violent white man who hurt the people he cared about and drove him to violence through abuse and then he, of his own volition hires, keeps around, and develops a toxic failing marriage esque relationship with a violent white man who hurts the people he cares about and drives him to violence through abuse.

Ed baby I love you but we've gotta work on those daddy issues because you just invented a new type of oedipus complex.

#oedipus complex but you have a perfectly normal relationship with your mother #oedipus complex but all of it is stored in the daddy issues #ofmd #our flag means death #edward teach #blackbeard #blackbeard ofmd #edward teach ofmd #izzy critical #just to keep the izzy stans from fighting me about this one #I like a clean inbox #calico jack ofmd #izzy hands #stede bonnet ofmd

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crisiscutie · 1 year

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Is there mommy competition between Jenova and the darling? CC Sephiroth is obviously very needy and clingy but I'd imagine the other Sephs are a bit conflicted as well!

Content Warnings: NSFW, Discussion of Mommy Kink, Oedipus Complex, Breeding and Teratophilia. This is a long, intricate ramble.

All the Crisis Cuties love both. They all have some variant of the mommy kink, overlapping with their oedipus complex. They are broken men who share a broken darling.

༻❁༺ The Darling and Jenova's Union.

7R and Dissidia Seph are slightly conflicted about the two, at first. They see the darling as kin (as all Sephiroths do) because of her Jenova DNA, but, of course, they still love Jenova too. OG and AC Seph take it a step further, already seeing the darling as an extension of Jenova, and the latter wanting to fully merge them. Two birds, one stone, right?

They already understand the darling's bond with Jenova and find it rather fascinating. It's important to know that OG Seph is Jenova!Sephiroth plucked sometime during FF7, so his true body is in the basement, somewhere near hers. He has control and the most influence over Jenova since she came from his universe. And with his control, he definitely uses her tentacles for frisky times with the darling. Or to help the pregnant darling when she needs support, like getting out of the mako pool, etc.. The other Sephiroths have a connection to Jenova too, but it's weakened because they come from different universes. However, they can still influence her as their connection grows.

And it didn't take long for 7R and Dissidia Seph to join suit with the other two Sephs, as they recognized the special union between Darling and Jenova.

༻❁༺ C.C's View On This Situation

Now for C.C, it's rather complicated, considering he was plucked from his universe when the Nibelheim Incident was underway, right during his monologue to the Jenova doll... That's a big traumatic event, adding to many others he's suffered throughout Crisis Core. There is a reason he's more feral and childish than the other Sephiroths. Now, he's ecstatic to find that the darling and Jenova are both in this mysterious house. The two of whom he cherishes so much, IN THE SAME PLACE! The glorious reunion he always wanted... Yet, his connection to this Jenova is weaker as she comes from OG Seph's universe. It will grow stronger eventually, alongside his connection to OG Seph and the other Sephiroths.

But the fact remains that Jenova has been dormant for thousands of years, making it impossible for her to show/emulate to C.C the human, motherly love he desires. With the darling's occasional display of motherly nature, C.C. could feel his desires start to become reality. And we know for any Crisis Cutie, the darling is like a constant drug rush for them, especially if she induces positive feelings within them. So eventually, he forced the darling to give him what Jenova lacked, full time... But it raises another matter: the darling is an object of his romantic and sexual desires. So with these factors combined, that's why he has his mommy kink with the darling.

In a nutshell: he already fully combines the two in his shattered mind, a lot. There are times he can distinguish the two. Like forcing the darling's legs apart for Jenova's tentacles to get easier access to her cunt when the darling is nursing him. Or getting creepily giddy examining sticky, white fluid that was all-too familiar to the darling when he's fingerfucking her...

Also, Sephiroth's habit of projecting his feelings and views onto others is extremely important. And it's something ALL of his incarnations do, yet we should save that discussion for another time.

༻❁༺ C.C's Mommy Conflict.

I like to think in his occasional personality switch, he might seek relief from Jenova's dormant body in the basement. He feels liberated to express himself in her presence because of her blank slate, if that makes sense. He will do this when the darling is pregnant sometimes, resulting from his jealousy and envy of the spawn in her womb. I can only imagine how the situation would go...

The darling will sought him out, wondering why she didn't feel his usual embrace when it's time for them to be together. She would already know he's in the basement, with Jenova's body. The surrounding air was icy when she arrived, and he didn't even turn around to greet her, or even acknowledge her.

And then, he spoke cruelly and without mercy to Jenova about his darling, starting by announcing to her that the ungrateful traitor carrying his precious mother's spawn was now with them..

(Out of scenario mode now)

When he called the darling a traitor, it was saturated with his anger and resentment towards her relationships with other Sephiroths and her not wanting to join the "reunion". It also comes from his inner turmoil (envy, jealously, etc) at being replaced by the spawn… And the most tragic thing, a part of him can feel the shame and regret, for not having that romantic dynamic with the darling. His longing for that maternal love and affection is so intense, since he had been taken away from his "mother" at such a crucial moment. Yet, his heart ached with an equal longing for the same romantic love and affection that the darling shared with the other Sephiroths... It hurts him to no end.

(Back to scenario now)

The darling was so hurt by his words that she ran out of the basement to her room, tears streaming down her face. What he said hurt her more than any other rough times they had together. As she wept, she felt the warmth of the Sephiroth doll (Theatrhythm Seph) as it embraced her pregnant belly. His presence was a reminder of the strong, unbreakable connection between the darling and the Sephiroths. He would reassure her that no matter the hurt the Sephiroths caused, their love and dedication to her would not waver, even if it's warped...

House of Sephiroth is definitely a Tragicomedy now. I declare it. The Sephiroths in general have a strange, twisted familial relationship with the Darling and Jenova. Hope I answered your question well.

If you're interested and hadn't already, check out my Mother's Day fic centering on C.C, he expresses many of these insecurities in that fic.

This is a Sephology 101 post.

#ff7 #ff7 sephiroth #sephiroth #final fantasy 7 #Jenova #final fantasy x reader #sephiroth x reader #crisis cutie #yandere sephiroth #yandere sephiroth x reader #c.c rambles #house of sephiroth au #tw: mommy kink #tw: tentcles #final fantasy #final fantasy 7 x reader #yandere x darling #yandere final fantasy #Sephology 101

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hauntedmoors · 10 months

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Okay the post about Rand's sexuality is here - you can expect spoilers up to and including A Memory of Light so you should avoid reading it if you haven't finished reading the series. Obv I don't think that a lot of analysis on psychology and sexuality were necessarily rooted in science or research in the early 1900s but Freud's theories have always had a lot of literary significance and that's how I approach analysing how the larger narrative interacts with RJ's deployment of the oedipal complex in the post and I do think the books intend to critique it, at least in part.

the great hunt, chapter 16

Nynaeve and Moiraine are often both posited as potential romantic figures in the series if not in the same sequences in which Rand considers other romantic interests. They both go on to develop into Rand's mentor-mother figures in the series (as Lan functions as the mentor-father figure) and Moiraine’s death in The Fires of Heaven is very hard on him. Rand’s relationship with his various ‘mothers’ have always formed a very important facet of his characterisation - the first significant battle that Rand engages in at the end of The Eye of World involves the Dark One attempting to ‘tempt’ him by promising to resurrect Kari al’Thor, and it’s important to note that the Shadow is specifically involved in the attempt to lure him by using his mother - to succumb to Oedipus's fate is not a favourable outcome.

the fires of heaven, chapter 7

The vision (in other terms, a prophecy) that Moiraine witnesses in the ter'angreal in Rhuidean hints at disastrous consequences should she try to seduce Rand and it's in direct reference to the prophecy that Oedipus would kill his father (see: The Gathering Storm), marry his own mother, and bring down a terrible tragedy upon his people. Once the first two elements of the prophecy are fulfilled in the myth, the kingdom is struck by a plague and the crisis is only resolved when Oedipus blinds himself and goes into exile. This is again vaguely familiar in terms of how the story evolves over the course of the series as Rand is blinded briefly, nearly kills his own lover as Oedipus nearly did, and dies in 'exile' from a home he never returned to for fear of betraying it to his enemies.

With the Oedipal Complex, Freud postulated that the journey to adulthood resolved itself as a 'heterosexual' development of sexuality while homosexuality represented an arrested stage of development. In the series, Rand notably describes Ishamael and Demandred as attractive people and also goes on to describe various men as individuals that women might like to consider as likely candidates for romantic interests - the former also signals Lews Therin's own implied struggles with homoerotic relationships with men; regret colours how he remembers the friendships he'd cultivated with them as he refuses to accept the reality that he's dead; or in other words, stuck in a state of stasis that he refuses to move on from - to develop, or, to mature. He warns against the dangers of male channelers and the Black Tower and cautions Rand against them, which is where a lot of the queer readings arise from.

These references to the attraction that men hold for Rand also decrease in frequency over the course of the series, and are also significantly concentrated in situations preceding Rand's acceptance of responsibility - in other words, Rand is only considered a man who has reached adulthood upon accepting the responsibility of the Dragon Reborn at the end of The Great Hunt, following which he begins to actively return the romantic interest that Elayne and Min show in him after failing to adequately return any interest in Selene or Egwene. His true and final acceptance of his fate is seen during The Fires of Heaven where he's forced to confront the reality that he will not be able to evade or trick the prophecy as he'd planned to do following his trip to Sindhol in The Shadow Rising. His encounters with the Seanchan in The Great Hunt and The Fires of Heaven - i.e. colonialist imperialism, which is often likened to rape - waken him to the responsibility he owes the world on both occasions, and he later loses a hand in another significant encounter with the Seanchan*. Childhood is past for Rand, and there's nowhere to run.

*Mat also experiences several moments that can be described as a ‘loss of innocence' which can be directly traced back to participating in conflicts against the Seanchan, as seen during The Great Hunt and Knife of Dreams.

This recognition sets the trend for Rand's relationships with men moving forward - he severs the bond of friendship he's cultivated with Mat and overwrites it with a relationship based on responsibility during The Fires of Heaven. Following the "kiss" that Rand administered to Mat in The Shadow Rising and the intense degrees of homoeroticism they display in The Eye of the World, he recognises Mat as a point of personal crisis. Perrin is afforded a similar treatment in Lord of Chaos and they're both eventually banished from Rand's lives as they're figures from a childhood with varying degrees of homoeroticism coded into their relationships that Rand can no longer afford to associate himself with.

Similar treatments are afforded to all his friends and allies during books 4-7, but in doing so he weakens himself leading the narrative to deride him for childish, poorly conceived approaches to asserting his maturity. He begins avoiding the Maidens (who often identify themselves as his 'mothers') who are sworn to protect him more religiously to his disadvantage. He asserts his adulthood with irresponsible and dangerous acts, in part guided by the personal traumas that he's endured. He set himself at odds with Moiraine for four books before recognising his mistake - but it didn't prevent him from committing the same mistake again repeatedly in subsequent books.

But the books also display plenty of sympathy for Rand, and in preventing the fulfilment of Moiraine’s prophecy they tackle the idea of the inevitable disaster and Rand’s flawed approaches to reach adulthood - they recognise and draw attention to the points of pressure and negative forces corralling Rand in and preventing him from acting in his best interests and ask the reader to pity him as he begins to isolate himself. The books are critical of his ill-conceived approaches but they don’t forget to be kind to him. And Elayne, with her specific homoerotic relationship with Aviendha, exists to offer an ideal example of a leader who can accept responsibility and make the journey into adulthood with the proper support, empathy and training.

TLDR: rand is bisexual and in denial. like his mom, moiraine, and girlfriend, elayne, who were definitely not in denial.

#1.1k. have fun lads.#I tried my best but I wasn't taking notes so I couldn't hunt down those scenes where Rand commented on men looking attractive #I'm sorry lgbt community #text #wheel of time #rand al'thor #elayne trakand #mat cauthon #mp #not including the gathering storm in my analysis for the resolution of identity with lews therin because 1. it’s bad #2. I don’t think rj would have resolved it the same way

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marivenah · 9 months

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Which "evil" woman from mythology/folklore is your OC?

I was tagged by @corvosattano and @kyber-infinitygems to take this uquiz for some of my ladies who have been wronged in their lives, thank you!

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Lilith

Lilith, from Jewish folklore, was the first wife of Adam. One story tells that Lilith refused to lay beneath Adam during sex. She believed they were created equal, both from the dust of the earth, thus she should not have to lay beneath him. After Adam disagreed, Lilith fled the Garden of Eden to gain her independence. In most manifestations of her myth, Lilith represents chaos, seduction and ungodliness. You are independent and courageous. You may be seen as bold and brash, but in reality your solitude is important to you. You don't like being tied down. You pride yourself on being honest, but this may cause hurt feelings in others. You prefer confrontation to letting things fester. Those closest to you admire your drive and your ability to speak your mind.

notes: took the hothead label a little too literally. won't let others tell her what to do and will let them know under any circumstance.

Baba Yaga

In Slavic folklore, Baba Yaga is a supernatural forest witch who usually appears as a decrepit old woman. She varies between acting as a benefactor and a villain, either helping the hero of the Slavic myth or hindering them. Baba Yaga is also cast as a Mother Earth figure, having an influence on the natural world. You are multifaceted and adaptable. You show many faces to the world depending on what is needed. You are very driven and have an incomparable presence in the lives of those closest to you. You may have difficulties with the way people see you, but those who love you can attest to how good a person you are.

notes: old woman? check. morally ambiguous? check. mother (earth) figure? check. adaptability due to always doing what is expected of and needed from her? check.

Aisha Qandisha

You are Aisha Qandisha from Moroccan folklore. Aisha Qandisha is a jinn who is imagined as a beautiful woman with alluring eyes, voice, long black hair, and the feet of a camel or goat. She is said to lure men into the desert to kill them. She is a spirit of lust, desire, and madness, thought to live near water sources. You like to think of yourself as mysterious, letting few people know you past the superficial things. You fear people knowing the real you because you think they'll hate it. You need to reconcile with the fact that other people are just as complex as you are. You think you're a bad person, but in reality you're just scared of being judged. You need to forgive yourself.

notes: thinks she's being mysterious while actually just being afraid to show her vulnerable side.

Antigone

In Greek mythology, Antigone is the daughter of Oedipus. After the quarrel between her brothers ending in them both being killed, Antigone is determined to bury Polynices despite King Creon's wishes, and is punished. For defying Creon's wishes, she is sentenced to be buried alive in a tomb. You are, above all, resilient. You have known grief in your life, but you face your trauma with your head held high. You are immensely strong, intelligent, and passionate. You don't believe in irony or indifference. You are brave and inspire awe in those who closest to you.

notes: buried alive in a tomb. yeah. she was basically buried by grief and she crawled back out and just keeps on going.

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saintmeghanmarkle · 8 months

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Class to Trash by u/Black_Londoner

Class to Trash Not been super active on here for a while so just catching up.What the heck has Harry dragged his family into?Is this the true lifestyle that he wants for himself and his children? Having to hustle for friends, connections and an income?His family is the epitome of class, but to be honest I never thought he had any class. He was just a spoilt rich boy. And for a 'man' that is almost 40yrs old, he's still behaving like a child.He stupidly and hurriedly married a woman with questionable history, all because she would do kinky things that most of us only knew were possible from watching Pornhub.The girl is trash. Period.She absolutely is an ILBW, of which there are thousands on social media selling their wares. They're all about faking it / fakery and making money. The Kardashians are prime examples. These people are vacuous and have no soul. Is this the life that Harry thinks is better than his true family's? They're not perfect, but...c'mon!The RF have a purpose in society and to the people they serve. By and large they are honorable.What family history will Harry pass onto his children? That he's an only child born from a mystical egg? He foolishly thought that he could transport his royal life and status to a country that no longer have a monarchial system. All because his mother had a history with that country.He needs a reality check that NOBODY can replicate or replace Diana. Times have moved on since Diana passed and Harry needs to wake up from his Oedipus complex about his wife being his mother in character/virtue. It's sick.From a clip of the Invictus documentary it seems to me that Harry doesn't know WHAT he does. (I'm a dad of 2, look after dogs, a husband....😒). He's not an actor, presenter, CEO....or even a teacher.What does he offer Hollywood? Info on what he sees in the toilet bowl? He's an idiotic doormat.His 'beloved' wife sees talking trash about people and posing for cameras as a goal for her. But what happens when the cameras don't show up? Are the Kardashians still a draw for cameras? 👀This type of lifestyle comes and goes in a flash. In 2 years the both of them will be washed up with absolutely nothing to show for this life choice. He has no true friends in his life anymore. Just paid 'yes' men/women who will nod and smile at him until their salary stops.Royalty and nobility are above this way of life.I suspect the Wellchild and Invictus charities will part ways with him soon. He doesn't bring positivity to their causes.If he's not seeing it already, reality is about to smack him in the face. HARD.🙏🏽 post link: https://ift.tt/Q3GF6WO author: Black_Londoner submitted: September 06, 2023 at 01:12PM via SaintMeghanMarkle on Reddit

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saintsenara · 1 year

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ship ask game, Boring Edition, because I truly don't think you could be boring if you tried.

Hinny?

having rashly promised you i was going to answer this weeks ago, here is now is...

i have now found myself friends, entirely by accident, with lots of hinny girlies [shout out to @whinlatter, who's in the trenches]. you are all trying your best to win me over, but i will not be moved.

so let's do this.

why don't i enjoy hinny?

let's get some common objections to the pairing out of the way, because i think a lot of them are quite unfair and i can see why they bother hinny fans:

i don't think there's anything inherently less interesting about liking canon ships. the fact that hinny are endgame in the books doesn't make their fandom less imaginative or talented, and i think those of us who prefer non-canon pairings need to get over the superiority complex about our creative genius which i have seen a lot of. i like many of the other canon couples a great deal - romione, remadora [which, in an unpopular move, i actively prefer to wolfstar], bellamort [if ya nasty] etc.

similarly, i have no objection to het ships [see above], and i do think those of us who largely read and write slash need to be very careful to avoid a tendency to portray queer pairings either in a tokenising way or a heteronormative one, particularly if we want to say queer ships are just as plausible or supported by canon as the books' het pairings. that said, i do definitely prefer stories in which harry identifies as queer - the fact that he's bi/pan is canon, fight me - and, while that could [and should!] feature in het pairing stories, it almost never does. hinny authors are not the only - or the worst - offenders on this point [i've had some really illuminating conversations with remadora enjoying friends about the way that anti-wolfstar feeling has erased both lupin and tonks' queer-coding in their fandom], but i think hinny is the main victim on this point of my active refusal to engage with harmony.

come on lads, harry doesn't have an oedipus complex. red hair comes in more than one shade, and since lily doesn't have a personality in canon it's impossible to say whether she and ginny are alike. harry does have daddy issues though, which might lead him into the path of men who are also tall, thin, and dark-haired...

ginny is not a deranged fan who stalked harry. she was eleven with a crush and she acted embarrassingly, exactly as - i'm willing to bet - the vast majority of us did at that age. by the time she was fifteen she was out of her blushing era, and good for her. i loathe the way she gets slut-shamed, both in the text and the fandom, and i hope when her relationship with harry ends she fucks literally everyone in sight.

now, the big one: their relationship doesn't come out of nowhere. there are signs even in order of the phoenix that harry has started to notice ginny, and ron has been shipping it for years before they get together - but, also, even if it does start very intensely, that is the case for lots of teenage flings.

so, why don't i back hinny?

well, a lot of the reasons are to do with harry. none are canon, but i do think they can be justified by the text in a way that allows the crashing-and-burning of harry's canonical great love to feel logical, even in otherwise canon-divergent fics:

harry spends the books never seeming to see ginny as a real person. and sure, teenage boys are self-centred, and he may very well have matured as an adult, but it's incredibly easy to write a hinny break-up where she points out that he's only ever seen her as "harry potter's wife"; that he's paternalistic [i'm thinking here of a great conversation with @ashesandhackles about how harry never seems to acknowledge that ginny spends deathly hallows as a resistance leader in her own right - and if i were her i would never forgive him for not including me in plans for the horcrux hunt]; and that his saviour complex canonically drives him to reject other people's input and feelings [even as he matures across the series].

the trio are intensely codependent, and while i think it's plausible that they expand to a quartet/ginny becomes harry's priority once they're together, it's also entirely - and i would even say much more - plausible that they don't.

in canon, ginny is the person who generally initiates their romantic encounters. sorry, babe, he's just not that into you.

harry's all-or-nothing approach to life means that he could very easily become suffocating or neglectful, depending on how you want to write him. the idea of auror potter spending the majority of his time at work, because he won't let evil roam free, leaving ginny at home, makes sense, i'm afraid to say.

and a tomarry-specific reason, because why not: harry literally doesn't give a shit about ginny's experience with tom riddle. i know, i know, he remembers it in half-blood prince, and that's progress from order of the phoenix, but he still sees ginny worrying about the prince's book and totally ignores her concerns. if you're the sort of person [gestures at self with thumbs] who wants to take harry's canonical interest in the mystery of voldemort, canonical belief that he understands voldemort, and canonical belief that his connection to voldemort is a good thing [snape’s right - harry does think it makes him special!] and run with it, ginny is going to be pretty rightfully pissed, and, even if you're not, harry's lack of interest in ginny's own trauma isn't a great foundation on which to build a relationship.

ginny deserves a hot quidditch star partner with precisely one braincell, and i will always make sure she gets them.

they're just never harry.

#asks answered #asenora's opinions on ships #hinny

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