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dailyturnip · 11 months
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portrait of a cleo on fire (someone had to do this)
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bereaving · 1 year
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Kyss Mig (2011) Carol (2015) The Handmaiden (2016) Lovesong (2016) Portrait of a Lady on Fire (2019) Warrior Nun (2022)
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onaperduamedee · 2 years
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I am obsessed with the way Park Chan-wook used translation in Decision to leave:
Sore apologizing for her imperfect Korean that is in fact quite literary, if Hae-joon is to be believed; Sore needing to express herself in Mandarin when sharing deeply personal details and using a program to translate her words, the confessions given to Hae-joon through a mechanical and disembodied voice; the shortcomings of said programm when Hae-joon translates and misinterprets her words regarding his body; the translation (lies) he himself unconsciously weaves when he talks to others about Sore; Sore checking afterwards the meaning of Hae-joon's specific words and her delayed reaction in front of her phone; the translation she does of his goodbye to her; the crushing, insurmountable realisation about what has been lost in translation in order to understand Sore's feelings and choices.
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ladykyrin · 2 years
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And they both made me cry
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theshippingnews · 1 month
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The last scene of Portrait of a Lady on Fire when they make eye contact across the theater, breasts heaving & weeping @ each other to live baroque music?
That
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merrycrisis-if · 10 months
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I wonder, if MC told Qiu "ask me to say", does Qiu dream of that moment? Do they remember it on important dates such as MC's birthday, anniversaries (because I can deffo see Qiu having the day they met, the day they became a couple, etc marked in a calendar or memorized in their heart)... the day MC left?
How much do they wish to turn back in time to that exact moment and tell them "please, don't leave"?
Hahaha I am sure that moment haunts Qiu.
Like you said, it probably floats up unbidden whenever Qiu thinks a little too hard about MC, whether it be something that reminds them of MC, or a special date.
P.S. It was also inspired by the vibes of this scene in Portrait of a Lady on Fire between Héloïse and Marianne.
Explanation of the context of the plot below—italicized part from Google, the rest is added by me (obviously spoilers for the movie, so avoid it if you want to watch it unspoiled. But watch it!! It's so good. That movie changed my life.)
Marianne, a painter, is commissioned to do the wedding portrait of Héloïse, a young woman who has just left the convent. Héloïse is a reluctant bride to be and Marianne must paint her without her knowing. She observes her by day, to paint her secretly.
And basically they fall in love, and eventually the time comes when the painting is done, and Marianne must leave, and Héloïse must get married. The scene is of Marianne being sad about it, and Héloïse asks, "do you want me to resist the marriage", and Marianne says yes. Héloïse asks, "are you asking me to?" and after a long pause, Marianne says no.
I LOVE THAT. Oh god, that scene destroyed me.
I feel like the scene is similar to what I wanted to achieve with MC's "ask me to stay" and Qiu's "I can't".
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handmedowncj · 2 years
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Queer Anachronism in Our Flag Means Death
WARNING: OFMD SPOILERS!
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We need to talk about anachronism and queerness in Our Flag Means Death. One of the funniest parts of OFMD is the creative use of anachronism. Instead of dutifully following historical accuracy like many other period pieces, OFMD plays into campy anachronism for the sake of the joke. In the year 1717, Oluwande wears Crocs on the beach. Roach hits Izzy with a deli sandwich. Stede reads his crew Pinocchio, a story not written for another 150 years. OFMD far from invented comedic anachronism, (Monty Python, A Knight’s Tale, etc. have also fully committed to the bit) but OFMD has unleashed anachronism on a far more powerful frontier: queer imagination. By releasing itself from the chains of “but that didn’t really happen,” OFMD creates space for queerness yet unseen in period pieces, especially comedies. Queer people have always used fiction as a method to represent stories lost to the ages (think Portrait of a Lady on Fire), but OFMD takes queer representation to a completely different stage by committing to the anachronism and fully imaging alternative ways of being.
Jim obviously represents the real historical phenomenon of people assigned female at birth dressing and living as men on pirate ships, but instead of deliberating over how these people might possibly identify today, OFMD imagines a world where Jim uses they/them pronouns, and no one blinks an eye. In this queer playground of a world before modern transphobia but with addition of modern trans identities, Jim allows the audience a peek at what the world could look like. Jim has a romance, a revenge plot, a tragic backstory, all completely distinct from their identity as a nonbinary person. The creation of nonbinary identity as a non-issue is so funny, but it is also radical. The radical potential of imagining nonbinary people outside of transpobia cannot be overstated, and we need to talk about it.
Stede’s reconciliation with Mary turns the tragic marriage trope on its head. Instead of marriage ending a queer episode in one’s life, as it often did in reality and often does in fiction (again, Portrait of a Lady on Fire) or alternatively, falling into the misogynistic trope of the evil wife, standing between a queer love story, Stede and Mary speak openly about their respective lovers. Throughout the entire show, when faced with queerness, the show dares to ask: why not? Oluwande is literally in Crocs, so why wouldn’t we imagine queer liberation that includes wives not as stand-ins, but as allies and accomplices in the creation of queerness? Breaking the rules of history and television and narrative, we imagine a world where a gay man can conspire with this wife of arranged marriage to fake his death so they both live happily ever after.
Knowing (as we do from David Jenkins’ tweet where he told everyone to follow the writers) that at least 4 of the 13 writers on OFMD are nonbinary people of color, it invokes the queer of color perspective on scenes that anachronistically look at race as well as sexuality. During my personal favorite scene of the show, A British Navy officer tells Frenchie to be “quiet, slave” and to stop his “uppity” behavior, and he gets a knife through his hand as a result. In any other show, the fact that the Black members of the crew had to pretend to be servants to trick the Navy would likely have been an unfortunate necessity (if there were any Black pirates included to begin with!) but OFMD treats that racism as a reason to blow up the entire ruse and just start killing people. Because why not? Why imagine a world full of fanciful pirates and gay romances if they still have to bow to racism? And the next time they meet the aristocracy, the trope is flipped further, with Olu pretending to be a king in a trick that ends with all the other servants/enslaved people on the ship riding off into the sunset while their supposed masters die on a ship in a blaze. I won’t get into the INCREDIBLE indigenous representation in Episode 2, since much of that is actually not anachronistic and rather correcting historical falsehoods, the depictions of race in OFMD are delightfully anachronistic and intrinsically queer.
Honestly, OFMD can only be understood as the result of finally giving QPOC a seat at the table, and that is why it’s been the top ranked show for five weeks, and #RenewOurFlagMeansDeath has been trending on twitter for just as long. I am so grateful to have a show that allows queerness to play and thrive in whimsical, but also serious and heart-wrenching, settings.
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youranemicvampire · 1 year
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Week 6: Favorite WLW movies / shows
15-week Sapphic challenge
PS: I didn’t include shows or movies that have sapphics as side characters or side storylines with little screentime
Shows
Orange Is The New Black (2013-2019)
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Torrent :)
Not only the best WLW show, but it’s one of the best shows of all genre and all time. I mean, they are the reason that Netflix became successful (Ungrateful MFs).  If you haven’t watched it yet, you’re missing a lot, i swear. I’m not exaggerating when i say this show changed me and made me grow as a person. 
A League Of Their Own (2022-)
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Prime Video
It’s character complexities, queer majority, diversity, intersectional stories, heart and sense of humor reminds me a lot of Orange is the new black so if you like the latter, watch this and vise versa. + Women in sports, duh! 
The Sex Lives Of College Girls (2021-)
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HBO Max
Mean (but not really a bad person u know) lesbian lead, let’s go! This show is f*cking hilarious like you won’t just love the show for the lesbian representation, but all of the leads! It’s more than its title! 
Dickinson (2019-2021)
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Apple TV
Haven’t finished it yet, but it’s already on my top 5. Not every show can pull off a modern interpretation of period pieces. And thank you, Apple TV for letting the show wrap up in the middle of lesbian cancellations. Thank you for the bare minimum. 
Gentlemen Jack (2019-2022)
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HBO
Haven’t watched the show yet, but I KNOW, i know it would be one of my favorites. I love badass lesbian historical figures especially when they are gender-nonconforming
Movies
But I’m a Cheerleader (1999)
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Hulu
Classic. Historical. I think this is the 1st lesbian movie i’ve watched after i came out? It also helped me became more aware of my compulsory heterosexuality. 
Ang Huling Cha-Cha ni Anita / Anita’s Last Cha-Cha (2013)
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Juanflix (DM me if you’re outside Philippines)
Unfortunately, only few people know about this movie, but it’s really one of the best WLW movies in the Philippines AND in the world. And just so you know, the older woman and the girl didn’t have any weird romantic or sexual relationship, this is just all about the lesbian girl’s first childhood crush. A very wholesome story! 
Rafiki (2019)
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Hulu 
This is not hyped enough and we all know the reason why. :) Very beautiful film with amazing cinematography, chemistry and soundtrack. It’s banned in Kenya so make sure to support this movie. 
TRIGGER WARNING: Blatant and violent Homophobia scene near the end
NECESSARY SPOILER: It has a good ending so don’t worry
Saving Face (2004)
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Prime Video or Apple TV 
Cutest WLW movie ever! It felt very warm the whole time i’m watching it. Another Sapphic classic and Lesbian 101 for baby gays. 
Portrait of a Lady on Fire (2019)
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Hulu 
A masterpiece and a great take on Female gaze. Art and Lesbianism really are partners. 
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maryoliverdotcom · 7 months
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portrait de la jeune fille en feu: an analysis
portrait of a lady on fire (2019) dir. céline sciamma. major spoilers ahead.
okay i am having intense brainrot over this film and i cannot hold it in anymore. let's start with the parallels.
héloïse and marianne as orpheus and eurydice
"in solitude, i felt the liberty you spoke of. but i also felt your absence." this is the main principle on which orpheus turns and brings forth his doomed faith. he feels "liberated" knowing that eurydice is finally about to return to him, but then he feels her absence. he misses her too much to not look back at her one last time. and so he does.
"or perhaps she said, turn around." héloïse brings this up when sophie, marianne and héloïse are debating on the reason behind orpheus turning back towards eurydice. the scene ends with this dialogue, showing that everyone present in the room agrees with héloïse's sentiment. later, when marianne is leaving, she plays the role of orpheus, with "eurydice" running behind her. and then, true to her word, héloïse says: turn around. and so she does. within a second, the background turns black (like that of an abyss which eurydice fell into) and the door closes as héloïse's image fades away. her role as eurydice is complete.
as the FSU Students Union puts it,
"....outstanding characteristic of this film is its use of Greek mythology. The writing draws delicate parallels between the myth of Orpheus and Eurydice and the two protagonists’ relationship. These parallels also foreshadow the fate of the characters and allow for a brilliant and heartbreaking callback scene (which will not be described in order to avoid spoiling the ending of the film). The film uses mythology as an allusion instead of a device to excuse fantastical elements. There is no unexplained supernatural intervention, nor does Orpheus make an appearance onscreen. Instead, it is the tragedy of this myth that repeats itself in Marianne and Héloïse’s lives."
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[scene ends.]
2. page no. 28
an excerpt from an interview regarding page no. 28 and that scene:
Céline:  “There is a contemporary effect in this scene that is huge. Finally, we have loose hair, we have no costume, we have shoulders only, we have naked bodies. We no longer know where we are, we no longer know in which period of time we are.”
Adèle: “The moment when I say 28… originally there was a justification behind it, which was “why 28? - “Because it’s my age", but we cut it. And that decision making on set allows the creation of a new mystery. Because suddenly there is no explanation to 28. I say…”
“And when I say “28” I tell myself that I am going to create a kind of treasure, like something that we’ll never know about. But it will have a lot of meaning for the character in that moment.”
in the end, when marianne sees the portrait of héloïse with her daughter, she feels her heart break. but when she catches a glimpse of her keeping a finger on page no. 28, she realises that her lover is sending a message for her and only her to understand: i still love you. when the camera pans to héloïse's eyes in the portrait, it feels like she's smiling at marianne, a kind of tragic smile that says hello again.
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i mean, just look at her face. she knows they'll meet again, perhaps in another life.
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3. paintings and scenes
i love how this film makes us see everything through marianne's eyes, through the eyes of a painter. a few scenes can be compared to renaissance/baroque paintings, such as:
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traveller contemplating a sea of clouds by caspar david friedrich in 1818 // héloïse looking at the sea, slightly shrouded by rocks
also note that when placed side by side, the fog lines in the painting in the left seem to melt into the rocks in the scene present on the right side (this is probably a coincidence, however it is fun to observe.)
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ampio orizzonte by ettore tito, 1910 // héloïse and marianne in portrait of a lady on fire
ampio orizzonte was also used in a tumblr post captioned "art that depicts women not posing seductively or gracefully but simply existing as human beings", and that is exactly the mood this scene in portrait of a lady on fire is portraying. a pure moment between héloïse and marianne just existing comfortably around each other.
[scene ends.]
4. the ending scene.
the ending really delivers the message that even though we may be kept away from each other, art shall bring us back together. this can be seen in other, important scenes where héloïse and marianne hold onto their lost loves through their painting.
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art does not simply stop at paintings, however, and the ending delivers exactly that message. art also means music, and in this case, the orchestra marianne had attempted to recreate for héloïse now being experienced live by héloïse herself.
the camera slowly zooms in to héloïse's neutral face as marianne stares at her. her expression gradually changes into a grief-stricken one as her chest heaves and her jaw clenches.
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slowly, her lips stretch into a smile, probably at the thought of marianne trying and failing to recreate that part of the orchestra. it could also be héloïse trying to console herself with marianne's words of reassurance: "don't regret. remember."
(this line could be a nod to sappho's fragment 147, “μνάσασθαί τινά φαιμι †καὶ ἕτερον† ἀμμέων.” - “Someone I say / will remember us / in another time.” although it's unlikely, it's fun to think about.)
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foxingpeculiar · 6 months
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Lies of P blogging (Spoilers up through Rose Isabella Street or w/e).
Most of what I remember about the second part of the cathedral level is trying not to walk in the decay swamp before burning it off. I did do Cecile’s little questline and got the record from her, though (and it’s my favorite so far). Father What’s-His-Nuts wasn’t that bad. With the Specter to break aggro, I just gave him a wide berth and did my best to parry his spinning attacks when I got close. The second health bar kinda threw me, but didn’t change the fight too much. Got it on the third try, no muss, no fuss.
So then I was in the Malum District and ran into the Fox and Cat again. In fact, we even ran part of the level together! That was fun. And it was nice having backup for once. But then, of course, they fucked off.
I think I might’ve fucked up here, though. There was a zombie guy trapped behind a grate just past the Stargazer, and I just kind of reacted and killed him before he could pop out at me. But then, when I died later, it didn’t respawn. So now I’m like “shit, I shouldn’t have done that.” I don’t know what it’s going to affect, but it feels significant.
The District itself wasn’t too bad. The only tricky bit was the big guy wandering around the fire in the plaza. He’s guarding some treasure I still haven’t managed to nick, but I’ll head back for it.
Then there was the Black Rabbit Brotherhood fight JFC that main guy hits like a truck! And you’d think somebody with that kind of power would be slow, but no! I never for a minute felt in control of this fight, but somehow managed to squeak by on the third try (and I do mean squeak—no pulse charges and within one hit of being killed). Most of the fights so far I feel confident about, but this one I don’t know if I could do again, cos I’m not sure how I managed it.
So now I’m in Rose Isabella Street getting skewered by The White Lady. This bitch is fast, AND she can parry me, which I sure don’t love.
Story-wise it still hasn’t really come into focus. That the Alchemists are up to something seems more and more evident, but I don’t know what. It has something to do with the Golden Coin Fruit, I think, or maybe being cut off from it by Antonia? Also, I found that portrait of the boy who looks like me and now I’m pretty convinced that Geppetto remade his dead son into me, and that makes me not trust him, in like a Pet Sematary, “sometimes, dead is better” kind of way.
I also got the record from the merchant in the Lobster Inn, and I found the old lady who wants a “tipple” (what a delightful word) of wine. I like her style.
But yeah, further updates once I figure out how to not get turned into shish-kabob on this lady’s rapier.
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dailyturnip · 11 months
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this is basically what happened right?
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scereplop · 3 months
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portrait of a lady of fire (yay movies)
The reason why I decided to watch ‘The Portrait of a Lady on Fire’, or even found out about it in the first place, is because of a citation in the footnote of a fanfic. The movie had been rotting away in my ‘to watch’ tab group for months, and when I’d finally gotten around to actually give it a go, I wasn’t as interested in that particular fanfic as I was at first. I feel that a huge reason for this is that I actually quite dislike the very ship it is about, however I liked it a lot back then, and with every morsel I got I was bursting at the seams. It doesn’t change the fact that it is still fairly well written, but upon rereading it, the spark in me failed to burst into flames. I blame the characters, not the writer nor the idea. The important thing, however, was for me to be as impartial as possible when watching the movie (I can never be fully unbiased but I can try my best to. I’m also far from a trained film critic of any sort, so feel free to take any of this with a pinch of salt. But I’ll really try my best.) and so I didn’t read any reviews of any sort before watching the movie or writing this, and I had no clue what I was in for. I also had completely forgotten which scene from the movie that part of the fanfic had been based off of, so I really was going in helpless. And honestly, I was and am glad of it. It’s always best that way. (Warning: spoilers ahead)
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Of course- the cinematography. I don’t think I have to say much because the gorgeous shots throughout the entire movie speak for themselves. I’m sure that there’s some deeper meaning to the placement of the characters in each frame and an art to the delicacy of the lighting that I am sorrowfully unfamiliar with, but to me it was simple, it was plain and there for me to see. And there was a charm to that simplicity. It felt like I was watching it through the eyes of the very characters in the movie. I was never bored, each pause was purposeful. It felt like life. It felt real. When I wake up on holiday, I have no backing track as I brush my teeth or walk along the seashore. I have no special effects or superhuman powers as I play in the sea. I have the the sounds and things I and the people around me make. The movie never really was silent, just like life never is. There was the sound of the sea cushioning sparse dialogue, and with the sparsity of dialogue I treasured every word, I mulled on them and I understood them like they were spoken to me. There’s always the risk of me getting incredibly bored when I watch these kinds of movies, but I am so glad that I wasn’t with this one. Not once.
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Then there was the fire. There was the portrait itself on fire, there was her dress on fire, the very image of Héloïse that Marianne had remembered, and not just remembered but held so dear to hear that she had to see it again, had to paint out and stow away, there was the bonfire that boomed with song and the art done by candlelight. It felt like an ever pressing, omnipotent presence throughout the film, but despite its destructive nature, never once did it feel threatening. Just like fire, I don’t think it ever stood for a specific, concrete definition, never bloomed for specific purpose but served one nonetheless. A means of communication, of warning, of foreshadowing. To share a pipe, it must be lit first before two pairs of lips can touch the same mouthpiece. To see faces (or the lack of one) in the dark passion of night, we must play with fire to keep those impassioned stares held no matter the destruction it may bring. Because fire is bright and burns with a hope that demands attention, it was a perfect constant because it never felt constant- it grew, like their love with time, and longing too.
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Even though I’m not a huge fan of the horror genre in films (mostly because most of the time all it composes of are jump scares and no substance that disconcerts me at my core), when included in subtle amounts in films that you’d think have no reason to have it really is the cherry on top. I don’t know if these scenes would even be considered horror per se, but it really did give me fucking chills because of how unexpected it was, even though I wasn’t scared out of my skin. The white garbed vision of Héloïse that appeared before Marianne twice in the film before the actual scene from which it was from (before she left for good), felt like some sort of warning. It always appeared right before a key moment between the two of them like some ghost of futures past and was genius. Whatever it was meant to do, I think it did perfectly.
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from here on out i kind of went a little mad and and completely ditched paragraphing and sentence structure and grammar laws and any sense at all. i don't know what happened because i wrote this like ages ago and left it to wither and die for some reason that has now escaped me, and i'm way too lazy to figure out what on earth i was trying to say. hopefully it makes sense for someone out there!
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their relationship. the secrets. the fights. the PIANO i mean harpsichord scene. the OTHER FIGHT. the whole dynamic in relation to the rest of the film. ever moving never stationary
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THE STORY. the looks back. that was so genius and the new take on it n stuff DAWG
(i suspect i was talking about the story of Orpheus and Eurydice. i do remember that there were so many overlapping themes in the film itself, and every time i managed to pick the likeness of one of them out, it was so satisfying. and especially for this theme in particular. i had only vaguely heard of the myth before but after watching it i think that story has been seared into my mind for good. and i agree with past me- it was such a genius move to have the story be a reflection of their life. the shots of their last goodbye were STRAIGHT OUT OF THAT STORY. fight me. and the uncertainty of it all. LITERAL GOOSEBUMPS.)
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the ending and teh conceert! is it a sad ending it s not happy but typica l sad ending - someone dies boo hoo but no theyre alive and they seem well but the thought of what couldnve been if if if
it just lies dormant and with these kinds of things you cant really forget (LIKE THE MOVIE NUOVO OLIMPO - where no one dies and theres no tragedy but instead this slow descent into, not madness, but like sadness and stuff and like you can do somethig but you cant at the same time and like UGUGUGUGUH)
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corrodedcoughin · 9 months
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wanted to join in on the queer movie recommendation fun times because i love queer movies so here are a few that i loved that i dont THINK anyone has mentioned yet
the way he looks - about a blind teen boy (leonardo) who has an overbearing mum and wants more independence so he’s planning to go on an exchange programme abroad to escape his mum for a bit. a new boy moves into town and makes leonardo question his plans to study abroad. it’s super cute and was originally a short film if you don’t have the time for a full movie.
portrait of a lady on fire - one of many sad period piece lesbian movies. so genuinely beautiful though. about a painter who is tasked with secretly painting a woman who doesn’t want her portrait painted. spoiler alert she ends up doing a lot more than just painting her.
do revenge - idk if this counts because the story isn’t centred around queer love, but maya hawke (one of the main characters) plays a lesbian so i’m recommending it. it is the teeniest dramaiest movie i’ve seen in a while and it is genuinely funny and shocking. it’s about two girls at a private school who do each other’s revenge plans because it would be too obviously incriminating to do their own revenges.
boy erased - much sadder movie, based on a memoir about a man’s experience with conversion therapy after being outed to his (very christian) parents at 19. MAJOR TRIGGER WARNING for on screen sexual assault though, and other triggering themes that come with the conversion therapy topic, so proceed with caution.
okay i will stop now hope you enjoy these 😎
Hop aboard!! We are delighted to have your expertise!!!
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meirimerens · 1 year
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watched portrait of a lady on fire (not really spoilers) thank you céline for angel choruses of women, for abortionist character and her job being depicted without the screams and gore some directors insist on, for pit hair, for spit-kiss, for weed. AWOMEN.
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tristanaef · 6 months
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This review contains some minor spoilers.
Portrait of a Lady on Fire remains the last film I saw in theaters. I saw it there twice: Once in February of 2020, and again on March 1st, several days before we went into pandemic lockdown. I’ve seen it several times since then. It is one of those rare films that I find as powerful on each viewing as on the first.
Céline Sciamma’s Portrait de la jeune fille en feu (2019; English title, Portrait of a Lady on Fire) takes place in the late 18th century on a small wind-swept island off the coast of France. Marianne (played by Noémie Merlant) is hired to paint the portrait of Héloïse (played by Adèle Haenel) without her knowledge. As Héloïse’s mother explains, Héloïse is to be married to a man she has never met—but she refuses to sit for the portrait that her soon-to-be husband demands. Marianne must paint Héloïse from memory after the walks they take each day. It is a lovely, moving film about queer women and the beauty of the mundane.
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merrycrisis-if · 1 year
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I love Qiu so much oh my god. Whenever I choose the romantic option for them, all I can hear in my mind is Taylor Swift's august, you truly captured the angsty feeling of high school relationships that never actually became relationships. I dont know if I'm making sense right now, so I'll just say what I was really going to.
I LOVE YOUR WRITING SO MUCH, THANK YOU FOR MAKING MERRY CRISIS and I cannot wait to see the new update on Christmas ^^
BROH, the number of times I've listened to August / All too Well while writing Qiu scenes...
Also no spoilers but the argument scene in Portrait of a Lady On Fire heavily heavily inspires this scene I've imagined in my head between Qiu and MC - which I have yet to write but can't wait to write - of course, Heloise and Marianne are same-gendered but I feel opposite-sex MC/Qiu gives me the same vibes of... the quiet resignation and regret and bittersweet pleasure of "relationships that never actually become relationships", as you put it.
THANK YOU for reading Merry Crisis, and I'm so so sorry I couldn't finish the update by Christmas. I did try, but December really did slip right by. If it helps, I'm 92% done with writing and will just need to wrap that up + edit :)
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