#scooter discourse

[that-darn-hyena]

How did these both end up getting called scooters

#scooter discourse

[smoothjazzdigit]

PLEASE expand on your thoughts for muppets abc i would love to hear them /nf /gen /pos

Okay for some reason I didn’t get notified for this ask so sorry it’s a bit late!

But YES thx for the opportunity to rant ab this show

Pros

I actually am a big fan of muppets abc. I’ll get into the cons later but I like the style of humor the show has (for the most part), I like when the muppets have more of an adult spin where it’s not like family guy humor but it’s a little more mature than most muppet projects. The modern muppets have been so heavily targeted toward children in many projects that it’s nice to see them recognize that a lot of modern muppets fans are adults (not that adults can’t like children’s humor, I for sure do, but y’know).

Also I really like a lot of the people they chose as guests for the show, and I honestly like the sitcom style following the muppets backstage of a show. I think it’s a good modernization of the original muppet show premise that allows it to focus less on skits and more on characters. Also normally I despise social media plot lines but I actually like the way this show handles pulling the muppets into the digital age, which is crucial for such a timeless property.

Also, as many problems as there are for muppets fans, it’s a really good show to watch with people who casually enjoy the muppets. This show’s style is more to the taste of some of my family members so I like watching it with them. And separate from the muppet’s characterizations the comedy is really good (but that’s subjective so I can see how it rubs some people the wrong way).

Cons

For one the cliffhanger ending kills me. Even if this show was weirdly received it had a really short run, they could’ve used a few more episodes or another season so we didn’t get left on such an annoying cliffhanger (that left Kermit and piggy still officially broken up since the show didn’t continue long enough for them to get back together).

Ok let me get into characters now, because that’s a criticism that I think is 100% valid (though I also think few people other than jerry juhl have properly understood the muppets and not flanderized their characters in some way)(but yeah it’s really bad here).

Scooter!!

How they’ve massacred my boy!

We’ll get to piggy but scooter is the one I’m most upset about. Why? Why change him from nepo baby humor to haha nerd comedy?? It was 2015 man we love making fun of nepo babies and rich people nowadays why would they change the character whose gimmick gets funnier with age?

His characterization feels pulled from the Big Bang theory. All his comedy is just “virgin nerd” comedy. I love that the show tried giving him more screen time than other projects but they fumbled the bag. He was a spoiled teenager who was wild and fun and could get away with anything because his uncle was rich. I get he’s older now but I refuse to think aging did this to him.

Because I’m a nerd I’m gonna pull some quotes about scooter from the new Richard hunt biography bc that man understood his characters.

“Like Hunt, Scooter is a born performer. Scooter also resembles Hunt in his amiable disposition and his almost nonchalant acceptance of the other characters and their quirks.”

“This acceptance stems from his own quiet confidence in himself… happily amusing himself and the people around him.”

“‘Scooter is a perpetual kid and very comfortable with who he is,’ said Hunt.”

HMMMM? CONFIDENCE? A PERFORMER? COMFORTABLE WITH WHO HE IS?

abc scooter just gives off such anxious vibes it really makes him feel like he’s lost the part of himself that made him so much like Richard Hunt.

Piggy

Ughhh she’s just not fun to watch for the most part in this show. I like the idea of her being the star of the show this time around, reminds me of her unexpected rise to fan-favorite muppet soon after Oz took over her character.

I also really like her friendship with deadly. I think miss piggy so often is boiled down to her love for Kermit that I really love the idea of having her explore platonic bonds. Her looking so hard for happiness in romantic relationships but eventually realizing that deadly is the one who’s been by her side, that he’s her friend and that she really loves him for sticking by her is a really sweet arc (for both of them. Love platonic piggy relationships and I like the modern fashion designer vibe they’ve been doing with deadly, I think it’s a fun reimagining of his original character).

But her diva meter really is pushed up to eleven.

Not to pull more from the Richard hunt bio, but Oz describes piggy as “The tough woman underneath the coyness. And the fact that she had to be coy to get things the way she wanted them, like most women at that time.”

Piggy is from humble beginnings and understands how she needs to act to get people to feel a certain way about her. She also won’t take shit from anybody, though. She knows her worth and knows she’s worked hard to get here, but it also was such an uphill battle to stardom for her I just refuse to believe she would become so selfish and act so privileged the way she does in the show.

ABC piggy doesn’t feel like a girl who tries to be coy but knows to be tough when she needs to be. ABC piggy is mean. She has a thin temper and everyone is scared of her and she’s so removed from the non-famous life that she has trouble bonding with people. She only does community service for publicity and can barely manage to do any manual labor. She’s not tough. She’s angry. She’s short-tempered and violent. And she has no trace of her humble roots, that gratefulness for the position of fame she’s in that she holds in so many other roles.

Others

Sam is pretty creepy. I love his gag of being the censorship for the show, him popping up saying “can’t say that” is a nice little nod to him trying to control the chaos of the original show and his little conservative speech sketches. His crush on Janice is kinda odd tho. I like him getting more modern spotlight, I really like his character in most wanted (though a rewatch of that is needed haven’t seen it in a while). But yeah he’s kinda weird here.

Also why were gonzo and Camilla broken up. Disagree. Idc about your relationship drama they’re the muppets otp.

Uhh trying to think off the top of my head, it’s been a few months since my rewatch of the show. I don’t like the mayhem fight. I think teeth and Floyd fighting over Janice is weird and off for them in modern day. Respect Janice rejecting labels, go off Queen.

Conclusion/TLDR

I had more to say than I realized but I don’t want to make too long of a post. Tldr, I really like the show and it’s humor but it does feel divorced from “the muppets” as a pre-established franchise and characters. The characterization is bad, even though I appreciate them trying to give more screen time to some lesser used characters, it didn’t really work. I just think it had a lot of potential, and I like the idea of a more adult but still family oriented muppet show, but the execution was really hit or miss.

Refer to my previous post about it for more condensed thoughts, weird show all around lol

Also stan abc Big Mean Carl. Stole the show, 10/10

#wow thanks for the ask sorry about the length of this post yikes #but lmk if there’s any other muppets projects you’d like to hear me rant about! #muppets abc discourse has been said before I know none of these are really new takes but these are my thoughts #the muppets #muppets #muppets abc #the muppets abc #muppets 2015 #scooter muppets #miss piggy #Sam the eagle #aghg this took me like half an hour to respond to lol. good use of time tho #ask #asks

[taylorswiftdebut]

swifties’ beef with people who have supposedly wronged taylor is so funny to me cause it’s like on one end of the spectrum one dude stole her entire body of work and one dude emotionally manipulated her and their relationship when she was 19 and on the other end of the spectrum there’s her boyfriend of 6 years she parted amicably with and a girl who can’t even legally drink alcohol in the united states like it’s all so unserious be so fucking real

#BUT ITS ALL TREATED WITH THE SAME SEVERITY #and i think it’s different when people are like yeah it seems they might have beef or this is interesting #but people literally put situations like the one with olivia rodrigo at the same level of that with scooter like it’s all so silly and rid #*ridiculous’ #*! #me and my keyboard are struggling #also i can’t base my perception of a person based off of something i THINK my favorite artist (who i don’t know) might THINK about them #if olivia rodrigo had been like actually i don’t even know what she could’ve been like to make me hate her the way eveeyone seems to #(even though taylor has talked at length how traumatizing that experience can be at such a young age but whatever) #and people always bring up the conan grey not listening to midnights but he was literally touring at the time 😭 #and almost every single person i’ve ever talked to who tours or works on a touring crew has said #it’s incredibly difficult to listen to new music especially new albums while touring #and especially if it’s an artist they love they want to give it consideration but like i said this whole situation #is so silly! oh you’re not gonna listen to her album because of taylor??? respectfully grow up! #i’m just so tired of seeing this discourse everywhereeeeeeeeeeee #anyway alkakakakakdkd #eris: text

[beautifulpersonpeach]

I’m curious BPP, what do Koreans think about the call to boycott Hybe (although most of the focus is on BTS) to get rid of Braun? Do they agree with it?

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Based on what I’ve seen, most Korean fans fall into one of three camps:

1. They think this boycott campaign is the work of multis, mantis, and antis/akgaes;

2. They are somewhat sympathetic and might even want Scooter gone, but still don’t agree with a full boycott;

3. They don’t care.

The reality is a lot of Koreans have no real view about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and of those who do, the split between people for and against either Israel or Palestine seems 50/50, going by the chatter I’ve seen. Among the G20 nations, South Korea and Japan both do not recognize the Palestinian state, and general sentiment in Korea is largely more in line with the government in this case.

A lot of the people pushing for Scooter’s removal on the k-side are akgaes and mantis who have disliked him since he started promoting Jungkook last year, and that bias colours the arguments against him to other people watching this go down. While a few others have genuinely bought into the arguments and want to kick him out in any case.

But one thing that’s generally accepted or understood by most everyone on the k-side, is that kicking him out has more to do with satisfying the desires of that select minority, than doing anything to actually benefit the plight of Palestinians in Gaza.

#bts #scooter Braun #ARMYs #k-armys #Korean fans #fandom behaviour #fandom discourse #Hybe #Hybe America #Starbucks boycott

[skyandpeople]

I expected they'd be releasing a wv article because they were so open on the treatment of LC and 7 so its not crazily surprising to me but what's bothering me is the articulation of both the articles, how come LC had partial success and 7 is historic debut? when LC which is Korean song did it after 63years? and how come 7 gives courageous steps to next artists it doesnt make sense as 7 isn't even meaningful, not even artist involved in it except for singing in English?and got so much payola from company and LC didnt at all, LC is a courageous one right🤔. IDC about company wanting jk to be 1st, if they sold ot7 is one 7-1=0 concept atleast they would have done better in writing instead of insulting. Anyway, pjms fam here is something i found:

Yeah no impact! Let's see what's more shenanigans they do and how it impacts the group as a whole as we move forward.

#ot7 is myth #fraud company #hybe corrupt #never forget it's scooter braun project #jimin #like crazy #pjms #discourse

[tamamita]

I'm not gonna go so much into the whole bike helmet discourse, but what I don't think people consider is the frequency of E-bikes and E-scooters. Most European societies are becoming heavily dependent on them as an alternative to cars and public transporting, especially with the proliferation of bike infrastructures in cities such as Stockholm, Copenhagen and Amsterdam. E-bikes can accelerate and go up to faster speed than your typical bike, but are still classified as bicycles with virtually the same regulations. You can bet your ass that you'll suffer a mild case of the deadness when you face the pavement without wearing a helmet.

[briarpatch-kids]

Also literally, all drama and discourse aside: if it's easier, then you need that mobility aid. They're so much work and extra effort that if it's easier and hurts less to push yourself in a wheelchair or even haul a mobility scooter around, then you DEFINITELY need it.

[sirfrogsworth]

I suspect for a typical straight cis person, I have an above average amount of queer friends. I didn't plan it that way. It just happened. I have fewer straight friends than queer ones. I also think I have a decent amount of queer followers.

In all of my interactions over the years, I've never encountered pronouns outside of she/her, he/him, and they/them. I've seen plenty of Tumblr and Twitter bios with alternate pronouns. But as far as people I've talked to enough that I had to actually use their pronouns, it's been the big 3. It's possible I'll meet someone who uses other pronouns at some point, and I will be happy to do so, but so far I have not.

That has been my personal anecdotal experience with pronouns.

If I have not encountered pronouns outside the most popular 3, then I highly doubt these right wing pronoun haters have had very many encounters where they were asked to use less traditional pronouns.

Unless you hang out in dense queer spaces, it is probably going to be pretty rare to have to worry about pronouns.

And that is why I find all of this discourse so silly. Most cis folks will probably have to adjust their behavior to accommodate one or two people in their lifetime. And even then, they/them is probably the most difficult adjustment they'll ever have to make.

But these folks are acting like people are throwing alternate pronouns at them constantly. They act like they are inundated with pronouns. They are fighting pronouns off with a stick.

But the truth is, they are just imagining a problem in their head that they likely will not have to deal with very much.

It really isn't a big deal. It's no more difficult than someone asking you to call them by a nickname. None of these people had difficulty with fucking Scooter Libby.

[wavesoutbeingtossed]

I have thoughts about the TTPD speculation/two years/loneliness/sharing feelings through songs train but I'm putting them under a cut because. Yeah.

OK, so I'm giving a warning:

I'm talking about BTTWS, but NOT about the speculation/inspiration behind it. Just about the feelings in it and the Midnights of it all/the idea that sharing the difficult things brings comfort/companionship. So getting that out of the way so we can remove that part of the discourse out of it.

Regardless of whatever the inspiration/event behind BTTWS may be, whether it's about a loved one or personal, I've long felt that its inclusion on Midnights, an album about things that have kept her up at night, is significant in the feelings it portrays.

For instance, we can be fairly certain that Taylor wasn't actually turning in Scooter B. to the FBI and conspiring with his ex-wife to bring him down (or was she?) in Vigilante Shit, just as we can safely guess that she probably did actually pick up that pebble in Wicklow that reminded her of a peaceful time in Sweet Nothing. The line between fiction/reality, personal vs. narrative matters less on Midnights in this case than the feelings she was expressing in the songs, which are very personal and truthful. The revenge fantasy in Vigilante Shit is her working through her anger over having her masters stolen and how she's fought hard to have the last laugh over someone who is a sworn enemy. Sweet Nothing is her reflecting on the dichotomy of her (presumed) quiet home life she felt was safe and the noise of the outside world. (Now, we might speculate on why she was ruminating on this, but that's another story.)

So with that preamble out of the way, BTTWS's inclusion in the tracklist I feel is just as important, again regardless of the inspiration behind it or her personal connection to it. Even if it is a song about someone other than herself, including it as the only "not personal/not diaristic" song on an album as ostensibly self-reflective as Midnights would stick out if that were thecase, though obviously it's her album so she can do whatever she wants and could have her own reasons. (Just like she included Ronan on Red and Soon You'll Get Better on Lover about similar themes, it could just be a tribute to a loved one.) But given all the thematic arcs and parallels on Midnights, I do feel like it's there to include a specific set of feelings being processed, even if the origin on the feelings may or may not be her own. (I'm trying to be really sensitive in my word choices here, hope they make sense.)

BTTWS is a song about loss and grief, and specifically the fallout of an event outside of her/the narrator's control. The person in the song has nothing to turn to to deal with their pain: no faith to guide them, no wisdom to tell them everything will be alright. Throughout the song there is a pervasive sense of isolation: everything is over, they're living without something that was once theirs but suddenly was not. It captures the fog and confusion of living through a painful event without having any way to process. She even says from the start that, "no words appear before me in the aftermath," which for someone like Taylor who has stated over and over how writing is literally how she processes her life would be the ultimate reflection of the depths of her hurt.

(To be clear I do not think this is a song about a breakup whatsoever: IMO it clearly is not about a relationship dissolution of any kind. I just think that the feelings of grief and loneliness in the song may have felt relevant to whatever she was going through during the time the album was coalescing in 2021-22.)

Knowing what we know now about at the very least the period between 2021-2023, Taylor was going through a time of significant difficulty in her life behind the scenes, which is how The Tortured Poets Department came to be, right on the heels of her completing Midnights sometime in early 2022. She has said herself that making TTPD was a lifeline, that she had to keep writing to deal with whatever it was that she was experiencing and going through. And as I posted about earlier today, she's also said repeatedly on tour that not only is writing about her feelings how she processes her pain and loneliness, but that then sharing that music with fans brings her great comfort because it makes her feel less lonely to know people understand and relate to what she's going through.

And we know that she has self-edited her albums over the years (including Midnights) to protect herself and perhaps even the subjects of her songs, which we have seen with the inclusion of the vault/bonus tracks in the re-records and on Midnights. Obviously some of these reasons are logistical -- album was too long, cut songs sounded too much like others, maybe she or her producers felt the ones that were originally chosen were stronger, narrative or sonic cohesion, etc. -- but with what we've seen over the last few years, these songs also filled in the lines of the stories being told and reframed the narrative being told.

Nowhere is that clearer than with You're Losing Me, for example. It's pretty obvious why it was held back: presumably she wouldn't want to release a song about a relationship at its breaking point when she was still actively in the relationship. Yet as soon as the relationship ended, she released it, we can only assume because of her realization that sharing the music and having people respond to it validates her feelings and makes her feel embraced, as it were. Then with the announcement of TTPD and how it's been brewing for essentially the intervening period between when YLM was written and now, we can also surmise that these songs will be dealing with feelings she also felt the need to hold back for whatever reason at the time, but has now decided should be out there so she can feel more whole.

So coming back to BTTWS, it being included on Midnights the way that it was strikes me as a form of sharing feelings that may have been too difficult to process. Again, not implying I have any insight into what the origin of the song is about, or imposing my own beliefs onto her, or that she was sending some sort of secret message with its inclusion! But thematically, BTTWS deals with an intense loss and feeling completely unmoored and alone as a result, which is present in her other work. And that the dreams the narrator once held have gone up in smoke, leaving her reeling about what's to come next. She's cut off from the world because of the event, unable to speak about or grasp what has happened. Similar feelings are also explored in You're Losing Me for instance, and even Dear Reader (not to mention on past albums like evermore, this is my trying, arguably hoax, etc.). Just reading context clues from TTPD and her surprise song choices of late, I don't think it's outrageous to presume some of those emotions are going to be present on the new album as well.

So this is just a long-winded way of saying, I feel like the sense of loss, confusion and uncertainty about the future likely resonated with both what she had gone through in the past, and the story as a whole she was trying to tell on Midnights. And while the origin may or may not be personal or relevant to the new story she's going to tell, I also feel like these same kinds of themes are going to be present on TTPD because they're so important for her to share. (I could even mention that the response to BTTWS may even provide evidence that people sharing their experiences in general brings comfort to those going through it, but that may be veering too far into parasocial "why did Taylor do X" speculative territory.) She sings about these kinds of all-consuming losses so eloquently and mindfully that I know the new album is going to be an absolute gut punch.

(not being self-promotional but I delved a little deeper into the Midnights 3am tracks including this one a few months ago so it's why it's top of mind and why the connections and thematic parallels are so resonant to me lately.)

#sorry i tried to tread very carefully so i hope it still makes sense #i know we all kind of talk around this stuff so I was trying to do the same #while leaving room for interpretation and not getting stuck on the content! #i'm just talking about mood here etc #me thinking too hard about taylor lyrics #writing letters addressed to the fire #midnights #putting it under a cut may have been overkill on my part #but just trying to be mindful of people's dashboards etc #you're losing me #ylm #bttws #bigger than the whole sky #(bttws is a song i have thoughts on but not thoughts about its origin so much as its *metaphorical* (? idk) or perhaps narrative importance #(but it's hard to talk about it without the discussion turning into one about its origin) #(so this is my best attempt to do so) #just clarifying there is no speculation or discussion here just talk about themes #it’s not about the event it’s about the story being told in midnights

[bi4bihankking]

Hey, you mentioned Lightrion and I suppose now's a good enough time as any to bring up a thought that's been plaguing me recently; Is there anyone in the DC universe that could possibly be a better power bottom than Orion? Seriously, the guy's min-maxed to take dick; He's got actually godly core strength, his costume looks more like bondage gear than average (impressive given he's a dc character), he has two sets of daddy issues and anger problems, and he's already crouching in the "bounce on your dick" position every time he hops on his gay sex mobility scooter.

...I sense this is going to cause discourse as I could see fandom looking at these traits and saying "Top"...

[softhospital]

not going to put this person on blast because its sort of an old post and i dont think its helpful but i find the framing of being in favor of more walkable cities as ableist to be ridiculously frustrating. what about the disabled people who cant or wont drive? also do alternate forms of transportation like light rail or scooters not exist either? im just endlessly frustrated by disability discourse and how AKTCHUALLY youre not REALLY disabled because a REAL disabled person wouldnt support walkable cities because of xyz dishonest bad faith deliberate misinterpretation of an argument.

#ableism #disability rights #disability justice #disability advocacy

[beautifulpersonpeach]

after all the noise. You know what BPP? Thank you for having this blog. I swear everybody has gone insane, even some bloggers I thought were eloquent and could sift nonsense from hysteria have gladly carried the Jimin akgae card asserting the company was setting up JK to have a solo career at Jimin’s expense. Saying shit like JK is going to tour and HYBE will send Jimin to military. Only for JK and other guys to announce they’re ALL going. Like they always said they would.

if not for your blog I would get swept up by the narratives, it was just becoming too much BPP, so thank you. I’m sad about the news but also grateful.

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“Like they always said they would.”

That’s the thing, isn’t it? All that’s happened in Chapter 2 is largely in line with what the members have always said would happen. The only reason - read that again - the only reason there’s been so much hysteria around Jungkook becoming a breakout star and rumours about him not going to the military, is because those are the primary anxieties of akgaes of rival members, PJMs and KTHs more specifically.

Just as with the rumours around contract renewals, around JK working with Scooter, and practically everything else, the majority of those narratives are founded entirely on the anxieties and insecurities of solo stans who worry they won’t have good opportunities to ‘win’ more achievements for Jimin and Taehyung relative to Jungkook.

The narratives around Jungkook that’s taken off lately, people already vilifying him as a horrible person for *not going to the military, were based purely on assumptions that all of the build up for Seven was leading up to him choosing not to go. Even now, already akgaes are saying it’s because he didn’t get a Grammy nomination, but curiously enough this theory doesn’t apply to the other members. I know why but it doesn’t make it any less lame.

Anybody actually paying attention to all of BTS would know every single member has been consistent about saying one thing: they intend to return as a group by 2025.

It’s not something that should be controversial or the source of so many conspiracy theories, and yet, something like 70% of the discourse topics I’ve seen in this space for the last 6 months have been related to questioning everything about that claim - it’s authenticity, it’s practicality, and the motivations behind the members saying it. That’s what you get in a space infested by akgaes prone to ✨discourse✨.

If I was more naive I’d hope this would serve as yet another lesson to remind people the kind of group BTS is, but I’m fairly certain a lot of people here fundamentally lack that capacity. So lol, no. Now I expect to see even more fantastic takes while the guys are in the military.

Good luck to the maknae line: Namjoon, Jimin, Taehyung, and Jungkook.

We know they’ve all prepared music and variety content to keep the fandom occupied. I hope we can all keep our hair on until they leave, and then comeback.

Like they always said they would.

#bts #jimin #Jungkook #jikook #Taehyung #Namjoon #bts solo stans #bts solo careers #bts chapter 2

[jewishbarbies]

If we’re having a discussion about Swifties and anti-semitism, I want to I bring up how anti-Semitic a lot of the gaylor/kaylor discourse is. This is specific to the Kaylor theories. I want to preface this by saying that I don’t like Karlie Kloss or the Kushners, nor do I think they are good people and this opinion has nothing to do with Taylor Swift or the fact that they are Jewish and everything to do with the Trump association. That being said, it’s always made me really uncomfortable how so many gaylor/kaylors have created this narrative that Karlie Kloss was somehow forced to marry Josh Kushner as a beard. And the reason that Karlie and Taylor can’t be together is because the Kushners and Scooter Braun “conspired” to trap Karlie and keep them apart. This narrative claims that Scooter was holding Karlie hostage via her contract and has been forcing her to do things, like marry Josh, and Taylor tried and failed to “rescue” Karlie.

Almost the entire Kaylor narrative and rationale for why Taylor and Karlie aren’t publicly out right now rests on the idea that these awful Jewish men have conspired to trap this blonde haired Aryan woman and are tormenting another blonde haired Aryan woman. It’s absolutely disgusting and plays on so many anti-Semitic tropes. It’s always bothered me. And that’s before you even start poking holes and realizing none of this makes any sense. Karlie CHOSE to marry Josh and chose to convert to Judaism and raise her children in the Jewish faith.

This theory robs Karlie Kloss of her agency and portrays Taylor Swift as a victim and once again scapegoats Jewish people. Very few Swifties, even those that claim to be anti-gaylor, talk about this. It’s maddening and really disturbing.

I wanna make a note up front that it’s antisemitism, not anti-semitism, and it’s an important distinction. no harm done here or anything, I just want to let everyone know the proper spelling bc I see the hyphened version too much.

I’ve seen so much racism and antisemitism from kaylors. it’s truly a problem with them. supposedly the kushner karlie married isn’t closely associated with his family because he’s not republican and instead more liberal, but the running idea was that taylor stopped being friends with karlie because a lot of people would assume he was a Kushner and it would make Taylor look bad. however, if that’s true…i wanna know why taylor has no problem associating with and sleeping with horrible men. more misogyny I’m guessing. but I definitely agree with what you’ve said here. it’s despicable the way her fans talk about jewish people at all in her sphere and I’m getting tired of their ignorance. idk why but kaylors are particularly bigoted, which is weird considering they’re obsessed with making everyone gay.

#Asks #anonymoose #anti taylor swift #swifties dni #antisemitism

[causesciencethatswhy]

"You see, if people don't have the same respect for JK, that's valid. He chose easy success over everything else they stood for for years."

Dear Anon, if you just want an excuse to be able to hate and criticize jungkook, just say that. no sane army who genuinely loves and respects jungkook as a person and artist would ever say something like this over an album that was not written by him or because scooter was involved. some of you are trying to gaslight people into thinking it's okay to "lose respect for JK" and to criticize him in everything he does over some freaking song credits and marketing strategies and that's just wild to me. I find it hilarious that some of you are acting like suddenly JK is going against everything BTS believes in when BTS themselves used similar strategies when they released English songs like Dynamite and Butter (actually they even went beyond). your statement is basically saying that BTS themselves chose the "easy way out" and went against their own words. The only difference in JK's solo career is that scooter is involved and he helps get better playlisting. scooter has some good connections in the industry but he's not some mastermind behind the music industry that magically makes artists be successful. jungkook would have been just as successful without him, trust me. I just think that some people are not ready to admit that to themselves so instead they use the "scooter and "payola" (which is a dumb drag because if you actually know what payola means you'd know it doesn't apply to JK at all) excuses to discredit Jungkook's huge success. They can't admit that with or without scooter, jungkook would have been able to pull huge numbers by himself, even close to breaking BTS's own records. this all comes from a place of jealousy tbh... the jungkook "favoritism" discourse has been around for yeaaaars. even back in 2017, some deranged fans would trend hashtags for JK to leave the group because, in one specific performance, he got to be the center of the performance. year after year people would complain that he got the most lines in songs (he's the main vocalist, shocking!), that he'd be in the center of choreos and performances way too much (he's the center of the group, shocking as well!), that he'd get better treatment and so on... even though back then he didn't have any solo songs and he was amongst the members with the least solo activities, he was still portrayed as the favorite simply because he fulfilled his given roles within the group.

Truth be told, a lot of people have always had a problem with JK for "stealing the spotlight" of their biases whether they'll admit it or not. obviously, each member is targetted by solo stans and antis but JK's case is special because since he has so many roles within BTS and has the "golden maknae" title, he is often seen as perfect and is object of some fans getting jealous of him. this jealousy is showing now more than ever because now in comparison to the past Jungkook is active on social media, he does the most live streams, he always has a ton of content to offer, exudes confidence, gives off "idgaf" energy, and is often the talk of the town for everything he does because he's just that popular (even though each member often goes viral and is incredibly popular, some members often get more attention than others which is normal, it doesn't make the other members "victims" - looking at you solo stans). Plus, as we all know, confidence is a threat to people who are insecure with themselves so no matter how nice and humble he is, no matter how many times he talks about his goals as a solo artist, some people will paint him as a chart-hungry artist who only cares about achieving big numbers because he chose to sing pop songs in English and is confident about it.

I could go on and on about this subject but I think I made my point clear for the most part. People who genuinely love and support jungkook and are true "ot7" would never say stuff like anon said. You can be a critical fan and express your opinions about their music and even their marketing strategies for sure but "losing respect" for JK, seriously? acting like he is going against BTS beliefs when BTS themselves have followed similar strategies in the past for their English releases? I can tell when people have genuine criticisms but have a genuine love and support for the artist and when they just want to look for excuses to criticize the artist in question and anon, you're definitely not the former...

You put everything perfectly into words anon. Especially how people are threatened by his confidence and self assurdness . It's intimidates them and leaves a lot of them insecure. And yeah, jungkook being the 'favourite' discourse has been going on for as long as I've been in the fandom and at this point I do not give a fuck what any of them have to say. Jungkook and Bangtan are grown ups who are veterans in their industries. They do not need advice from fans with savior complexes.

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