#supernatural then and now

[4evamc]

Listen to it here

#misha collins #supernatural #castiel #rob benedict #richard speight jr. #supernatural then and now #podcast #misha tweets

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Members-Only Snippet of Ben Edlund Interview on Supernatural Then and Now

Rob: We got this question we’ve been avoiding because it’s a lot of words, but... when Castiel's talking to Dean in the truck about being human, the line that was aired is a different line than the script reads.

Ben Edlund: Sure.

Rob: So, the line that's aired is, Castiel says, “Except I used to belong to a much better club and now I’m powerless, I’m hapless, I’m hopeless. I mean, why the hell not bury myself in women and in decadence, right? It’s the end, baby, that’s what decadence is for. Why not bang a few gongs before the lights go out? But then, that’s just how I roll.” But the script reads, “But instead we become this. The only thing, I think, we have left, Dean and me, is each other. If Dean says it’s time to go out in a blaze of glory, win or lose, so be it. I’m in... but then, that’s just how I roll.” It’s an interesting little difference.

Rich: Well, somebody had to rewrite that, right?

Ben Edlund: Sure, I mean, like, that was either a rewrite based on a note, or something that— it’s possible that there was a shift in language that came from a pass through Kripke. To me, that feels like a rewrite based on, “Okay, we know what the subtext is, bury it a little bit.” Right?

Rob: Gotcha.

Ben Edlund: Because, you know, it’s more interesting to know that and then have language kind of be less to the core. I mean, maybe not, sometimes you really want to go to that core. But it didn’t seem necessary in that moment because look at the larger context. It's: this guy is still hanging around. He’s going on the mission. And previously, in the prior scene, when he’s kind of — when we used the word "insouciant" for the first and last time in Supernatural’s history, I believe... unless it gets quoted later in 15 seasons & I missed that — at that point, he is totally ride or die with Dean. He’s basically, “You say we're going on a suicide mission and there’s no hope or whatever,” and Dean’s going, “Yes, that’s what I’m saying,” and he goes, “Okay, well, let me go get the truck.” And so, in a sense, it was like — I would’ve done the same thing today, if that makes sense. Looking at the whole. 

Rich: Right.

Rob: I like the idea of burying it more, not serving it on a platter there. Letting people — 

Ben Edlund: Mainly because all the other aspects of that story tell us that. Show us that, actually. That’s the whole thing. Show us, not tell us... (quips) I heard that at some kind of seminar.

— Supernatural Then and Now podcast BONUS CLIP: Ben Edlund Talks

#I wouldn't normally share members-only content #but I saw folks posting & talking about it elsewhere on tumblr #so it's already out there #and I wanted to address some takes that seemed like maybe they didn't get what Edlund was saying? #commentary #spn #ben edlund #supernatural then and now #s.t.a.n.

[goldenphoenix4]

i feel like the supernatural podcast would do well on tumblr tbh

#supernatural #spn #supernatural rewatch #dean winchester #sam winchester #castiel #destiel #supernatural then and now #spnthenandnow #spn then and now #richard speight jr #rob benedict

[justanothertranscowboy]

Just heard an ad for supernatural then and now before a penumbra episode

Absolute whiplash, I didn't even know it was a thing 😂

#the penumbra podcast #tpp #supernatural #supernatural then and now

[rays-of-gold]

me tuning into the newest ep of my podcasts like

#the newest olympian #queer as fact #join the party pod #supernatural then and now #cliffhanger #between the lions

[tandonshows]

in wild fan grows up to be a creator news, Apple Podcasts has linked You Are What You Love and Richard Speight Jr & Rob Benedict's Supernatural rewatch podcast. the algorithm can feel the superwholock seeping out of the RSS feed.

(In all reality, this is most likely because when asked the question "what piece of media influenced you the most?" two separate guests have responded with Supernatural, so we have about 3 hours worth of gushing about those Winchester boys, but it's still pretty wild. Rob's storyline as Chuck/God was one of the first big meta twists that wowed me and I'm always striving for those moments in my own writing).

You can listen to both of the supernatural episodes of You Are What You Love on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts here.

#supernatural #spn #spn family #supernatural podcast #you are what you love #richard speight jr #rob benedict #yawyl #yawyl podcast #fandom #lauren grace thompson #marissa tandon #berklie novak stolz #icaruspendragon #dean winchester #sam winchester #supernatural then and now

[teamfreewill2pointo]

https://www.tumblr.com/teamfreewill2pointo/748205760024068096/httpsxcomtfw2pointostatus1781181407186088310

“Um at that point, he is totally ride or die with Dean.” that was the point of what he was saying, and why the line “But instead we become this. The only thing, I think, we have left, Dean and me, is each other. If Dean says it’s time to get out in the blaze of glory, win or loose, so be it. I’m in, but then, that’s just how I roll.” was too obvious/not really necessary

From the previously linked tweet: “but because so much of what Cas was saying explicitly had been shown already in the scene work and made his declaration an overstatement (per rules of good dialogue)”

— the context of it all makes perfect (easy) sense as an answer to the question Rob specifically asked about the changed line from an earlier draft of the script.

I do think it would've been nice to include just because I love those little things, but I agree that, from a writing standpoint, the writing is tighter without it.

It's like how Sam and Dean don't say, "I love you" in A Very Supernatural Christmas. They don't need to. It's understood in the text.

#ben edlund #supernatural then and now #supernatural #writers #spn writing

[boszorkanycica]

my newest obsession is with supernatural podcast's. and i LOVE how each of them has a different approach but they still have the same "text" to come from?

so far i listen the pilot and the first episode of 4 fan podcasts and 2 of them mentions elle woods and her law points which is funny :D

also one of them compare spn to star wars, and an other draw a lot of parallel of twilight. like i just said, same text, different approach

(but we all hate John and the sexism of the show)

#and thank you now i need to listen the pilot stan episode again bc im sure they talk about the lightning #and the driver picks the podcast also talk a lot about directing and lightning #mystery spotcast #supernatural then and now #gaslight gatekeep gay angel #denim-wrapped nightmares #driver picks the podcast

[clairikine]

It is hilarious to me that season 4 of the Supernatural Then & Now podcast is currently interrupted in the midst of a writers’ strike. Continuity

#also today I realized that ‘rugaru’ and ‘loup-garou’ referred to the same creature and I am very mad about it #supernatural #spn #supernatural then and now

[wincestismymiddlename]

Takeaway from SPN Then and Now this week.

On the Screenrant list of 10 Most Iconic Props in the Series and number one being Castiel's trenchcoat. It's not a prop, per Robin the assistant prop master. Number 10 on the list was Dean’s Amulet. Robin: I would reverse it. I would say that the amulet is probably one of the most iconic [props] to come out of Supernatural. And that amulet came from the pilot in LA and one one of them came up and we only had one for a very long time.

#supernatural then and now #spn then and now #dean's amulet #samulet #spn bts

[lailaphx-is-havin-a-crisis]

wait why have i never heard this?? this is hilarious!!

#jared padalecki #jensen ackles #jared and jensen #richard speight jr #rob benedict #rich and rob #supernatural then and now #podcast #Youtube

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Folks talk a lot about SPN being subject to network TV's Standards & Practices. But I think an even bigger challenge was the limited time & budget, along with a really challenging episode & season structure. Excerpts from a great interview with Robbie Thompson about the challenges of a 23-episode season & a procedural format (edited & condensed for readability/full interview here: Behind the Scenes of Supernatural with Robbie Thompson)* — and some of my own thoughts on the impact, below.

Robbie: This isn’t a criticism, but it’s 42 minutes & a procedural show. There’s a case, and a lot of elements of that take up a lot of real estate in the script. Typically, if you wanted to hand in a script that wouldn’t get too heavily noted, you'd keep it to 38, 39 pages. And at least 20-30 pages of that is gonna end up being the blah blah blah of the case.

Robbie: The showrunners say, "This is what we’re thinking for this season," and usually it was built around a pivot point — the midseason finale. You wanna end midseason on some kind of cliffhanger & then pick it up & go this way. Then, with the general guidelines in place (the "destinations" on the "roadtrip" agreed upon), everyone pitches at the same time. So, if this was the writers’ room, you [gestures] are writing the 1st episode, you the 2nd, you the 3rd & 4th & 5th & 6th. So we’re all writing simultaneously, and sometimes it will be oh, we love that character, can we put him in your episode? And then all of a sudden those things start to kind of domino, plot-wise.

Interviewer: They’re like puzzle pieces: every time you move one, you knock the others out of place...

Robbie: And it’s a really tricky thing when you’re doing something that has 23 episodes. I’m jealous of Game of Thrones’ budget, but I’m also jealous of the episode order. My dream for Supernatural was, can we just do True Detective, just one case, and live & breathe that case. That would be fun, but in a 23 order, you just can’t do it. So, in terms of “where the story takes you,” I would never want to answer on a showrunner’s behalf, [but] I’ll just provide the context that sometimes these decisions are not so clean-cut or as narrative-based as one might think. It’s a very tough job to manage a bunch of stories & writers & production & editorial all at the same time, and then sometimes shit happens & you have to make changes on the fly.

I was just thinking about this in the context of certain criticisms of the show — especially that they didn't develop X or Y plotline enough (one example I've talked about before is Dean's alcoholism). And obviously you can't just handwave those criticisms away with "oh, but the time constraints," but I do think that those constraints often forced the creative team to be more understated than they might've preferred. And sometimes, this was a good thing — or even a great thing — and lent itself to an unusual degree of subtlety. But sometimes it meant leaving too much ambiguity, dropping threads entirely, or seeming to take certain plot developments too lightly.

I know we need to analyze and critique (and appreciate) the show as we have it, not as we imagine it might've been "if only" (the kind of supposition you could never prove), but I do think that understanding the above tends to increase a person's willingness to have patience with the show, or to accept that the substitution of a few lines, an anguished look, and/or a case-character-parallel for a whole scene directly exploring something with the impacted protagonist isn't necessarily evidence that the writers didn't care (and/or didn't want us to care) about something.

To circle back to Dean's drinking: The writers had wanted a story arc devoted to it (secondhand reports suggest they wanted to do it in season 8), but it just didn't end up working out. But then we roll around to the Mark of Cain in season 9 and (between the writers & directors & Jensen's acting choices) we get a great analogy for alcoholism in the myth-arc, instead. There are a lot of themes that are only ever explored symbolically. And you can see that as a good thing or a bad thing, but it's interesting, at least, to think about how real-world constraints may have pushed them in these directions.

(As an aside, Richard Speight, Jr., & Rob Benedict also talk about this sort of thing on several segments of the Supernatural Then and Now podcast — about how often the writers or directors would end up having to cut scenes & shots & entire plotlines that they felt were important just because of a lack of time, and a common theme from "behind the scenes" is that, compared to other similar shows, SPN did a remarkable amount with a remarkably tight budget & vanishingly little time.)

*Spoilers galore for S11:E20 "Don't Call Me Shurley" around the mid-point of that link. If you're interested in the rest of the piece, you can safely search for "procedural" & read the surrounding paragraphs or "a season of network TV" & read from there on.

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[sexyvixen7]

Jensen Twitter Alert!!

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[becauseallhellseeisme]

So, I started listening to the SPN Then and Now podcast...

Highlights so far:

Jensen asking Jared whether he likes country music when they met for the first time. Jared: "I am Texan. Of course I like country!"

Jensen always asking everyone he meets a thousand questions.

The crazy working hours. Don't know if I would call it a "highlight", but it truly shocked me. Doing radio interviews for 3 different time zones and shooting afterwards.

The actors getting their lines 3 days (!) in advance. And then if special skills are required for an episode, you are literally screwed.

Choosing a camera man from Montréal for director of photography on the show instead of a guy from Vancouver because he was the guy they wanted.

The fact that they left sounds like creaking doors on the show instead of editing them out, so it felt more real.

Sabrina getting one of their styrofoam caves, so they wouldn't have to throw it away.

People thinking one of their sets was an actual store and wanting to buy cell phones in it.

Also Rob being a doll and Richard being the menace you'd expect him to be. 🤣

#supernatural #supernatural then and now #rob benedict #richard speight jr

[supernatural-rewatch-3]

I love Rob and Rich’s theory that if Dean kissed the frog then he would have a prince

#bedtime stories #spn 3x05 #rob benedict #richard speight jr #spn then and now #supernatural then and now #podcast

[kickingitwithkirk]

#supernatural then and now #jensen ackles #jeffrey dean morgan #dean winchester #John Winchester #supernatural #Spotify