Adam Lambert defends Harry Styles - and describes the ostracism the music industry gave him for kissing his male bandmate in 2009...just about when 1D was being formed.
He thought his success on American Idol gave him freedom and protection but it didn't. He prepared for backlash from the public but instead -
“But what surprised me is the industry got mad... because truthfully, I wasn't doing anything offensive [by kissing a man onstage].
But it was a miscalculation.
I was put in the corner. I didn’t get, like, dropped or anything, but they weren’t gonna listen to my ideas at that point. My credibility was shot. I was a liability."
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Trying to figure out why the fandom meme that Tim is misogynistic bothers me so much, beyond my usual kneejerk response to perceived inaccuracy, and I think the key is that it feels like fandom is lying to me.
Specifically, lying about nearly all the other characters.
That I am being taunted with some theoretical Less Sexist 90′s Comics that don’t actually exist.
Sexism is one of the reasons that I never bothered to seek out superhero comics when younger. Our town didn’t have a comics shop, which sure put a damper on it, but I didn’t bother looking for collected volumes when venturing into regular bookstores, or the occasional trip out of town to places with huge bookstores. I flipped through enough and heard enough chatter to know I didn’t want to put up with the sexism. Scans Daily on Livejournal sure had plenty of supporting examples.
Reading 1990′s & early 2000′s comics now, I can confirm this was the right choice on younger me’s part. There is a lot of sexism in that era, and unlike with prose books by a singular author, it’s much harder to ditch wholesale. I’ve got a lot more analytical reading under my belt now, so it’s easier to roll my eyes at the bullshit and focus on what is enjoyable than it used to be. From the later 2010′s comics I found at the library, things are improving, though still stumbling.
So yeah, Tim does sometimes say sexist crap. But as I devour comic after comic, so far, he isn’t saying or doing anything more sexist, more frequently, than any other character, including the gals. It’s almost like it’s a writing problem, not a character problem.
As far as I can tell, from what I’ve read, which includes all of Batgirl 2000, Young Justice 1998, and nearly half of Robin 1993, Tim is less sexist than the adult men he’s surrounded by, and no few of his fellow teenage boy heroes.
Maybe I’m missing something! But gender doesn’t seem to come into his treatment of Gotham vigilantes and YJ teammates? The most it comes up with his civilian peers is that, typical for the time period, girls are treated by the narrative & characters as potential romantic options and boys aren’t? Tim talks to Callie the same way he talks to Ives & Hudman? He and Ariana both make relationship mistakes, but in ways that are pretty normal for a 13-14 year old’s first romance?
So when the fandom keeps making ‘misogyny’ Tim’s distinguishing traits from the other Bats, or other YJ members or Titans, it implies that reading comics focused on other characters would have less sexism, but when I do read other comics, that’s not fucking TRUE.
Where are these magical less sexist Bat comics?
Who are these heroes fandom claims are less misogynistic?
Because it’s not Nightwing. It’s not anything Bruce takes center stage in. Barbara is fine in Batgirl 2000, but in other comics she’s written as cattily jealous and tears into other women. It’s not Stephanie, as we saw with Batgirl 2009′s treatment of Jordanna Spence.
Batgirl 2000 does pretty good, but that’s the only one I can think of, and fandom singling out Tim makes it sound like it should be all of the others.
Fandom likes to say Jason drinks his Respect Women Juice, but when I read Under the Red Hood and Lost Days, they felt about the same level as Tim’s comics. And I keep seeing examples from Jason’s Robin days of him admiring women or learning from them or teaming up, but I also get that from Tim’s comics.
Before he even had a long running solo, Tim’s Robin mini’s got a crossover with Huntress, in which he respects both her skills and her secrets, and argues with her about as much as he does with Bruce. Tim supports Cassie winning leadership of Young Justice, he supports Cissie’s decision to do what she felt was most responsible. He apologizes for avoiding Cass after finding her intimidating and goes on to work well with her.
I like Tim. I’m mostly enjoying his comics. They’ve got less sexism than I expected of the era they’re written in.
And I hate that fandom’s running meme about him makes it feel like everyone else is making a joke at my expense.
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"im just not comfortable with the word bisexual" i used to feel that way with the word lesbian you know. for most of my teenaged years i id'd as bi because lesbian was a gross word to me and i was afraid of it. turns out that was internalized lesbophobia. food for thought.
but you know, maybe i never should have called myself a lesbian. maybe i should have stuck with bisexual forever? afterall everyone knows that no bisexual woman has ever felt alienated to be surrounded by "bisexuals" who parrot logic like 'being bi means loving women and loving one male celebrity'.
no bisexual woman has ever felt shut out from their own community when closeted lesbians barged in and made bisexuality revolve around wlw attraction.
there certainly isnt, to this day, a consistent effort that bisexual women feel they have to prove themselves and their male attraction worthy due to the pressure of having to live up to the nonsensical standard bisexual women of loving women "more" than they love men.
labels dont matter so it couldn't have possibly caused anyone any harm. and if they think it did then thats their fault and they should get over it <3 we are all queer together so just get along!!!
^anyway thats sarcasm, i have to say, because this is tumblr. but it sure would be fucked up and disgusting for someone to come to that conclusion huh? it sure would be insanely biphobic and lesbophobic to think thats a healthy scenario in any way possible isnt it? you agree and understand why bisexuals would and have feel alienated by lesbians calling themselves bisexual?
and like, in the context of being in the closet and figuring these things out, sometimes this shit happens, but that doesnt mean we should encourage it, because at the end of the day its still internalized biphobia/lesbophobia etc.
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The brazilian interview sets the clock back of almost 10 years.
But if ten years ago they hadn't any kind of voice in this, everyday that passes makes it clear that Harry and Louis have kind of agreed to maintain their closet and the current narrative. Could be because that's the minor of the damages or it could be because they are themselves damaged at the point they believe that's actually what is better for them.
I will never "unlarry" or bullshits like that, simply because once you know the truth you cannot unknow that.
But, I think that everyday more they owe us a thing: to free us.
They hurt us with this behaviour and, after fourteen years or relationship, I think we deserve honesty. And peace.
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In today's example of industry closeting and harassment of lgbtq artists:
David Archuleta - a formerly-closeted singing show contestant who came out in 2021, after considering suicide - says his manager received an angry email from the concert booker because he mentioned his LGBTQ identity in his 11.29.22 concert -
"We have some very upset patrons that I will [be] dealing with today. I would hope that in the remaining concerts that [Archuleta mentioning his private life and lgbtq identity] would not be allowed."
Would not be allowed?! How, exactly, do they want his manager to enforce this? Would the usual simple intimidation suffice, or is extortion in play now, or perhaps physical force the answer?
Please clarify, entertainment booking agent. And fuck all the way off.
If a nobody booking agent feels free to do this so openly - can you just IMAGINE the pressure that members of, say, the biggest band in the world at the time, would hsvr been/are under to stay closeted?
Archuleta has a great response - in part:
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sorry for not writing
doing school working out drinking water cooking cleaning brushing my teeth have supplanted my will to write
will be back eventually lol
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