1-19 for moe n hoe & lucien + viessa?
Ok these four is what I call the "bisexuals eating my brain" Also black hair + red hair duos!
Who would end a heated argument by defending their actions with ‘because I love you!’ ?
I think both. Both of them can get very stubborn, but ultimately it comes from place of love. iirc you said Joe would storm off with a "because I love you" to cool off. Mae would defend her point with "I think this because I love you". After cooling off they make up like adults,
Again both, both are stubborn (especially in the beginning), and Lucien has a bit of a petty streak to him. The situation usually follows a "Lucien don't you do the dumb shit, I will yell at you about this bc I love and care about you", or a "Viessa, I'm doing the dumb shit bc I love and care about you"
What would they do if the other woke in a manic state after a nightmare?
Mae isn't as haunted by nightmares, and after having kids she's a fairly light sleeper, so if Joe was to jolt awake, she would follow soon behind, hearing him breathe heavily she would stroke his hair and lay her head on his chest and ask if he wants to talk about it, or offer to get him something
Both are very much haunted by Visions (mostly of Deanoh, he's pretty pissed this "escaping death" thing happened AGAIN). They both have such deep understanding of the other they don't even need to speak when it happens, just hold each other, the weight grounds them
Do they wear the other’s clothes? (sweatshirt, bandana, necklace, etc.)
Joe simply cannot fit into Mae's clothes and will not wear accessories. Mae is a hoodie FIEND, and often sleeps in Joe's tshirts too
Lucien is bigger in stature, but Viessa’s silk robes still fit him, they’re perfect for hot summer mornings. He also has ear piercings he sometimes puts Viessa’s jewelry in. Viessa sometimes wears Luciens coats, they’re thick, warm and comforting, and wears a necklace with Luciens old signet ring on it
Which one is more protective? Who needs to be ‘protected’?
Both. But Joe more for simply being bigger and "honey please you are 5 foot nothing do NOT". Mae acts like she hates it when he does that but actually really appreciates Joe having her back every day all day
Both of them are highly capable of holding their own, be it in battle or social or social situations. But both are driven to keep the other safe. Viessa's magic is mostly wards, so she can keep Lucien safe like that. Lucien figures if he can stab an enemy dead before they get the chance to even look at Viessa, that's what he'll do
Describe their cozy night in.
The kids are asleep, dog walked and fed, cuddles up on the couch, have a bottle of wine. Movie or something playing in the background but all their attention is on each other
Viessa can conjure a wholeass manor if she so wishes, but she intentionally makes it smaller and cozier. Cozy night in for them is sitting by the fireplace, both reading their own books across from each other. If they want to be closer, Viessa hoists her legs on Luciens lap
Who would beg the other not to leave?
Mae would and did. Was a bad time for both of them every time Joe had to leave to a new job
They both would feel bad if they had to seperate, but neither would beg the other to stay, they are aware of their situations and the decisions they need to make to keep themselves safe
Who has to leave to protect the other?
It isn't like that?
Both. When they stick together for too long, suspicions start to arise, because way down the line, they will be ghosts, they aren't supposed to exist at all.
Would they build a pillow fort together just because?
Maybe in the way of "ok the kids love to do this, whats all this about"
Nah
What happens if one of them gets sick?
Mae goes into mom-mode, Joe will NOT leave the couch for the whole day or so help her god, he's may have the manly man sniffles but gets the same treatment as their kids. Mae's a bit whiny and wants to be taken care of as well, so it Joe's duty to keep her supplied with tea and painkillers
Just force the other to take it slow and stay in bed. Lucien would like to keep going and complain the whole time but he can't do it if he gets to actually rest. Viessa would haul her book collection to bed with her and Lucien has to one book at a time take them away from her and make her have a nap instead
What are their thoughts on having children?
Joe has been a hell yeah for as he know what having children and the responsibility means. Mae was a bit more hesitant, not about being a parent as much as being pregnant, but Joe was supportive enough for her to do it twice
They're both physically middle-aged, so if either of them had ever wanted kids (even before they died) they would've had them already
Describe their first date.
They agreed to meet when Joe was forcibly removing gently escorting Mae out of Mirad's joint. The went for dinner and drinks, had a lovely time and really clicked. Got even a goodnight kiss out of it and the itch to go on another date
It was the "let me show you something" kind. Lucien took Viessa out into far-north, to the cliffsides of Thani, overgrown with gardens, overlooking the northern sea and the second largest city of Thani at night. They'd sit there and stare at the night sky the whole night.
Do either try to hide their emotions if upset? Can the other still tell?
Joe does his darnest to hide his emotions, and it worked for some time, until Mae learned to pick up on the little things that indicate he's upset. She'll gently coax him to open up, and even if he doesn't she'll make it known she' there for him
They both would rather bottle shit up and never let anyone know anything that's bothering them. And it took a long while for them to be honest about their feelings, and be upfront, because an eternity together would really suck if you keep shit bottled up. Lucien is very good at reading people, so in the beginning he would know something is bothering Viessa even if she didn't indicate it. Meanwhile Viessa isn't as adept with people, so she would have no clue (plus Lucien is extremely good at lying and hiding things)
Do they have many heated arguments? How do they smooth things over?
The worst of them had been back when Joe was mercenary, they needed to talk it out thoroughly. They've taken heed of that and resolve their issues with first calming down on their own and then coming together like "ok how do we deal with this"
Before they had feelings for each other they basically disagreed over everything, but nothing worse than: V: "you're wrong" L: " l + ratio + im in your pocket dimension". The worst was also in the beginning when Viessa was in serious distress and just an existencial crisis and Lucien told her to stop being such a baby, he later did apologize and admitted thats how he used to feel like. Viessa would also apologize for being hardheaded and riling him up when that has happened
Who’s the bigger tease?
Joe takes the cake with the smallest margin. I think Making Mae flustered is a personal highlight for him, and getting joking punched on the arm as a result
Lucien is just overall more prone to teasing, he's a little shit sometimes as well as more promiscious, but it adds a new type of headache (affectionate) Viessa gets to deal with. (Lucien being able to speak directly into people's heads only makes this worse)
How do their personalities compliment each other? How do they clash?
Both are outgoing and loud, confident and assertative, know what they want and what they're worth. Mae's very open with her feelings while Joe is very reluctant to she his. They work togehter so smoothly because their temperaments are basically the same. But having two very assertative and confident people can lead to butting heads, which has happened
Lucien... while not very outgoing himself, likes to be around people a lot, while Viessa would like to lock herself in her room and do magic things all day. He's managed to coax her out a bit more and appreciate people, and she has made it so he actually likes to relax and take time for himself. They're both very intellegigent and work as duo very smoothly
Do they always say 'i love you' before leaving?
Every time, without fail
They do, but not out loud everytime, sometimes a squeeze on the hand or kiss on the neck will do
Can they stay up all night just talking?
They could but they have work in the morning and the kids need their breakfast and luch packed
Yes and they sometimes do. Just discuss the universe and go super deep and meta
Who's more likely to pull the other in by the waist and kiss them passionately?
Both. Though I dont think Joe would appreciate being on the receiving end in public, in private Mae can (pretend to) manhandle him a bit. This will make Mae swoon
Both at the same time, Lucien's hands go for the waist and Viessa's to his neck. Neither of them really appreciate the "suprise passionate kiss" thing, time and place
How likely are they to have fur babies? How many and what kind?
They have a beast called Buddy, he is their fourth child. When time leaves buddy behind I think they would take in another dog, they already have the stuff to take care of it and the kids know how to live with a pet
Viessa used to be accompanied with a variety of cats (they were spirits of magic and thus not actual cats). So she would have one or two (or five) roaming around her pocket dimension. Lucien's never really had pets so it took him a while to get used to waking up a furry lump on him
How do they feel about PDA?
They're touchy, they're lovey dovey, but remain appropriate. A quick kiss, holding hands/waist, Mae's hand in Joe's backpocket
They're quite reserved. But there are times Viessa would lean her head on Luciens shoulder when sitting down, or Lucies would hold his hand on her waist when making their way through a city
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whats your take on marcille and pattadols post canon friendship? they seem to hang out occasionally in a couple of post canon shorts and i was wondering if your beautiful mind has anything more to add? youre amazing 💖
☺️ aha thank you so much!!! Pattadol and Marcille are sooo interesting to me because like. I think Pattadol is who Marcille would have become if her parents had both been long-lived, and she never had a reason to question elven authority. The hardworking attitude, insistence on sticking to a very rigid set of principles, a little bit of vanity in wanting to be recognized for her efforts... the slightly ridiculous uptightness and neurotic attitude at times, though at heart they're both kind people who want the best for everyone in their own ways.
In the post-canon, I'm assuming that Pattadol has her own ambassador's quarters in either the castle or the inner city, and the two of them grab tea at the castle drawing room/garden/whatever. I think they talk shop, soundboard ideas off each other, and gossip/complain a little about incompetent colleagues/problems... I think they're each others' dream work friends, honestly. Polite, competent, friendly but never getting overly personal, fun and pleasant to talk to. The fact that Pattadol's 82 and a fairly young woman by elven standards also plays into it, I think -- Marcille hasn't had another elf friend along the same maturity range and professional level of experience, so this is probably nice for her!
What I would like to see is them eventually developing a closer relationship. I think a lot about the way Pattadol reassured Marcille that, because of her accomplishments, she'd have a pretty comfortable sentence as a Canary. About the way, while there was tension because of what was happening at the time, they were both immediately very polite to each other upon meeting and kind of?? got along/clicked immediately in some ways?? It feels like they have the same kind of standards for themselves and others (as well as general inexperience and slight insecurity about their own competency, which probably makes them feel at more or less an equal level with each other).
And I think that'd be good for both of them -- having someone else that they admire, who also admires them in return and recognizes their talents and hard work. There's a very unique kind of rapport you build with someone that you hold as an intellectual peer and can trust to give you feedback that's actually reliable and up to par. While they might both be too professional to really become super close friends who can always be open with each other, there's a very real and deep kind of companionship that forms from this kind of trust, and I hope that's the direction they're heading in.
It's also extra delicious if you add in the tension of Pattadol inherently being a foreign agent from a country that isn't necessarily friendly, but they end up with that strange trust anyway... not to mention the thought that she might find herself actually admiring how Melini is growing and trying to defend it when reporting back to the queen.
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Man this is so random but this theory is stuck in my head and I wanna see how other people feel about it because I don't see people talk about it a lot (I have no clue if the link will go through properly since I've never put a link in a ask box)
https://www.tumblr.com/art-w0rm/667910993425350656/theory-time
Oh god not this theory again. I really truly try not to be mean to people for no good reason on this blog, but this theory is literally one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever seen in my entire life. I don't talk about this theory because to me it's like the walten files theory equivalent of that tubby custard mechanically separated chicken post.
Most of the time I genuinely don't even consider it worthy of my time, because it's nonsense, but this is a very nicely worded ask, and I really don't mean to dedicate any of the vitriol I hold towards this theory to You, poor anonymous person, so I will deconstruct it. I will go through the theory point-by-point and deconstruct why I disagree with it.
First up, this:
Showbear is not a character in The Walten Files anymore. Showbear was fully retconned and is never going to appear in the series again. He was effectively just a cameo of ThunderingStatic's (one of Martin's friends) OC, but when The Walten Files blew up and people started assuming Showbear was Martin's character, Static decided to withdraw his character from the series and focus putting him in other projects.
Martin talked about this on Twitter forever ago, but I wouldn't be able to find that tweet now. But here's a bit from the interview he did with KnowYourMeme back in 2021 where he talks about it:
Now this:
This is just stupid to me? Like a complete logical incongruity? I barely even know how describe what is dumb about this because I can't even fathom how anyone draws this conclusion from this information. How is it strange for a man to say 'if my wife isn't home by the time she said she was going to be, let me know, in case something happened.'????? Why would Rosemary be out cheating on her husband with her fucking daughter with her??? If Rosemary was cheating on her husband why would her whole life collapse when he went missing? If Rosemary was cheating on her husband why would she show up at the restaurant every day after he disappeared asking if anyone had seen him and hoping to find him alive??? Why would she make paintings of herself and him together after he disappeared????? What the fuck are you talking about?
Ok now this:
Whatever. This is maybe the most coherent part of the theory, to me. I definitely agree that Sha evokes a 'wolf in sheep's clothing' sort of aesthetic, but I do remember Martin saying something in a Twitter Q&A at one point about how that wasn't actually intentional, and that Bon was the character he actually meant to seem unusually predatory. I looked for a while and couldn't find a screenshot of that, but I did find this one where he says the thing about Bon:
So whatever. take that with a grain of salt.
I don't even know what to say. here. Whatever. sure she was rolling in the hay
yeah Rosemary is asking if she's still beautiful because she cheated on her husband and not because she was chopped up and stuffed inside a big animatronic sheep. I think this is correct and is the True Deep Lore.of the walten files. I'm sure this doesn't have anything to do with the recurring motif of the double-meaning behind the word Beautiful either.
I don't know why it's weird that the lost lingering spirit of a mother would be calling out to her only living child. I Don't know why that needs additional explanation involving this batshit infidelity conspiracy theory.
Sha's chest is also ripped out
So is Banny's, honestly? Just a little less?
ok now this:
I guess I can't disprove this except that I think this is dumb. I think this is a really incredibly stupid logical leap to make. Y'know I really meant to go into this levelheadedly and very calmly go through every point and talk about why I think it's Decisively Disagreeable or whatever but I can't. I really can't. I just cannot keep my patience with this sort of thing.
You'd think if there was an infidelity aspect here it would've been lampshaded in some respect, at all, in the old /sophiewalten findjackwalten page text. Where it's literally Sophie talking to Jenny about what she remembers about her family.
Especially if the idea is that Sophie is meant to have been there. You'd think something like that would have come up here. Not 'she was nice and a good mom until my dad disappeared and her mental health started getting worse'
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