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Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem
A Song of Ascents. Of David.
I rejoiced when they said to me, “Let us go to the House of Adonai.” 2 Our feet are standing in your gates, Jerusalem— 3 Jerusalem, built as a city joined together. 4 There the tribes go up, the tribes of Adonai —as a testimony to Israel— to praise the Name of Adonai. 5 For there thrones for judgment are set up, the thrones of the house of David. 6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem— “May those who love you be at peace! 7 May there be shalom within your walls— quietness within your palaces.” 8 For the sake of my brothers and friends, I now say: “Shalom be within you.” 9 For the sake of the House of Adonai our God, I will seek your good. — Psalm 122 | Tree of Life Version (TLV) Tree of Life Translation of the Bible. Copyright © 2015 by The Messianic Jewish Family Bible Society. Cross References: Exodus 23:17; Deuteronomy 16:16; 1 Samuel 25:6; 2 Samuel 5:9; 1 Kings 7:7; Nehemiah 2:10; Nehemiah 4:6; Esther 10:3; Psalm 9:14; Psalm 29:11; Psalm 42:4; Psalm 84:5; Psalm 87:2; Psalm 89:29; Psalm 102:14; Psalm 133:1; Matthew 10:12; John 20:19
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unbidden-yidden · 8 months
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By the way, for anyone who is still confused about messianics and why I have such a problem with them (as do the vast, vast majority of actual Jews - one of the few things we can virtually all agree on) think about it like this: they are like the Crisis Pregnancy Centers of the Jewish world.
CPCs deliberately market themselves in ways that imply that they provide actual medical care, pregnancy resources, or information on abortion, only to get their clients in a vulnerable situation and then accost them with forced-birther bullshit and massive guilt trips to convince them to keep their darling baby that I'm totally 100% sure will be the next Mozart if you only gave Jesus a chance!
Messianics do this by marketing themselves as observant, devout orthodoxim with deep Torah learning, mystical insights, and a unique perspective on living a life of mitzvot....... who happen to believe Yeshua was Ha-Moshiach, and worship him as a god, but this totally isn't avodah zarah because Yeshua told them so! Also *toot toot* the shofar to bring in our Sunday Sabbath!
It's fine to want to keep an unplanned pregnancy and it's fine to get an abortion. It's not fine to try to trick people into making a major decision that could ruin their lives.
Similarly, it's fine to be a Xtian just like it's fine to be a Jew. It's not fine to be a Xtian playing offensive dress-up as a Jew to trick Jews into worshipping Jesus.
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imagesubmission · 2 years
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andromeda3116 · 8 months
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gah now i'm getting On My Shit about the discworld again and like i've said what i want to say about the witches and the watch but there's also small gods like i will never be over small gods i finished it and i was like... has this... has this healed some of my religious trauma?
if you've never read it, the plot is thus: on the disc, gods get their power from belief. therefore, the more believers a god has, the more powerful they are. and so, there is this god -- om -- who has risen in power, who has a country devoted to His worship, which hunts down and slaughters heretics and infidels, to whom people pray multiple times a day and make pilgrimages to His holy city, which has a huge citadel and huge structure of a complex religion devoted to his worship. and, on a whim, He comes down one day to see how things are going.
and discovers that he has no power.
that, in this country of millions who profess to worship Him with all their hearts, there is only one person left who actually believes in Him.
and there's a lot of meat there, and a lot more plot to delve into, but the core theme ends up boiling down to this:
can you forgive your god for how they failed you?
and do they deserve that forgiveness? how can they earn that forgiveness?
because ultimately, the forgiveness that the messianic archetype is embodying is not that of the god's grace, but of the people's -- to forgive their god his absence. to give their god another chance to be their god.
and whether or not you, in the end, can forgive, it gives you the language to realize that this is what you were asking for with your last prayers. whether or not you can ever go back, whether or not there have been other reasons since that have convinced you further, it gives you the language to accept that your god failed you. and it is not your fault.
this book speaks loudest, perhaps, to those of us who left our church with grief, not with anger. with hurt betrayal, not with the fires of defiance.
it didn't change my lack of religious belief, but it helped me conceptualize my feelings about the church, the things that went deeper than intellectual arguments. about that sense of betrayal, that hurt, that twisted-up knot within me that it had built, and it gave me the mirror within which i could see that i had been failed by my beliefs. it wasn't that i hadn't believed enough, it was that my belief had been betrayed by the absence of an answer.
there have been other reasons since then that have cemented my atheism, but small gods made me stop hating the church i used to love, because it made me recognize why i hated it so much and said "you're not wrong, it didn't have to be this way. you were betrayed and you were failed and you can let it go, now."
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ghouljams · 5 months
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I like scrolling through your posts and just kinda relaxing here like a fat, well fed cat napping in the most perfect sun beam. Reading and then rereading your stories (particularly the fae!Price cause I’ve got a major lady boner for that man in both my pants and my heart) is all I need to stay warm!!!!
Also I was wondering if you could expand and or explain what fae!price is??? Like you’ve given him titles and witch recognizes his name and immediately spouts off a few of his aliases. He’s like ultra powerful and old and the hints to it make me want to study him like I did greek mythology!!!!
"You knew it. John the conqueror, the morning's glory, the Highest exalted, remover of obstacles, dominator of will."
Is what I assume you're referring to, and it's not actually a recognition of his name. "John Price" cannot be a known name or he'd lose the power behind it. What Witch is describing are both her associations with Price and her associations with the name "John". Morning Glory (the flower) is known as High John the Conqueror in some witchcraft practices, and it's properties include removing obstacles and dominating will. Both things that Witch associates with Price. He removes the obstacles in his path through sheer force of will, and through his deals he dominates the people he holds tethers for. "The highest exalted" is a reference to Saint John the Baptist. Interpret that as you like but for Witch she's comparing Price to a messianic figure, someone to be worshipped but also someone who will help her grow into her magic.
I've said before that Price's archetype is the devil. He's got all the charm and power, he's made to be tempting, to make you trust him. Price is a very traditional fae in that sense. He's the fairy tale, the warning to stay on the path lest the devil find you. I think of him as a fae that used to have huge black crow's wings, before he gave them up he might have been mistaken for Lucifer, but now he just gets jealous of Witch's affinity for crows and wishes she'd give him the same preening and attention. He is very very old, rivaling König I would bet, but he won't tell you if you ask.
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butchedemup · 3 months
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kristen never prioritizes anything in her life, for her it all comes in intense phases of devout worship and interest, and beardsley said that kristen would finally figure out that this sort of way of looking at the relationships in her life is only detrimental. that the chaos surrounding a sixteen year old devout religious lesbian would be addressed not as a positive or a negative but a secret third thing. leaving the god devoted to her (who was made in her younger self's image) on read because its just so much to deal with but oh kristen applebees they could never make me hate you this is just what happens when a messianic teenager was given a choice when she had no idea how to continue forward regarding faith and interpersonal relationships
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redditantisemitism · 1 year
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Here’s an interesting one-is this antisemitism? I think so. Let’s discuss:
First, the context. This comment was left on a post containing this meme, poking fun at the messianic “Jews” (they aren’t Jewish) and antisemitic Christians that appropriate Pesach.
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Now. This person does make a few correct statements, and I’ll give them credit. They’re right that a lot of Christians and Christianity are antisemitic. But with that out of the way, let’s look at the myriad of ways they’re so very wrong:
I'm not going to pretend to know a lot about Passover
User admits that they are not qualified to be making judgements. As a Christian it isn't their place to tone police Jews anyways, but especially since they admit that they have no idea what they're talking about.
I would refrain from throwing all Christians under the bus
I'm sure they would. That isn't what is happening though, and framing it like this highlights their defensiveness- they aren't trying to have a productive conversation, they just don't like seeing Christianity being portrayed this way. Playing the victim, and not for the last time.
The Catholic church has largely been the main culprit here
Interestingly, there is a Catholic elsewhere in the thread blaming the Protestants. Typical Protestant vs. Catholic stuff, and this user is using it to attempt to distance themself from the "bad" Christians. Also, in my experience, almost every Christian "seder" I've seen or heard of has been held by a Protestant sect of some sort.
it's important to know that all the while the persecution was happening to jews by christians, there have been other christians speaking out against it.
More of the same, see above. "not all Christians!"
Please don't forget about the Christians who are willing to lay down their lives for the Jewish people.
Here's where the fetishization starts. Also, literally nobody asked you to do that, don't use us to feed your martyr complex. Also also, where exactly are these Christians, because they've been doing a shitty job.
Christians like myself are perfectly capable of seeing Yeshua in the Passover without changing it, or preaching to you up and down about it.
And this is where the explicit antisemitism starts, as opposed to the red flags we've been seeing. This person, based on their language, seems to be some sort of "Torah believing Christian"- something inherently appropriative and antisemitic.
Furthermore, YOU SHOULD NOT BE SEEING JESUS IN PASSOVER. That is, at best, idiotic, and at worst, actively antisemitic. It's certainly supercessionist. JEWISH TEXTS DO NOT PROPHESIZE JESUS. Christians should not be touching Pesach uninvited in ANY way, regardless of if they change things or not.
Yeshua didn't change it and neither should we
This person demonstrates an astounding level of ignorance. Any modern Seder would HAVE to be different than any Seder Jesus might have held (assuming he even existed), because it is impossible to do it like him. There is no temple to offer animal sacrifices at, like there would have been at the time. Regardless, not only should Christians not be changing seders, they shouldn't be touching it.
They then rant for a while about how Easter is bad. Which. My dude. That's your holiday. Go fuck around with that and leave Jews alone.
Please have patience and a soft heart for Christians who believe that:
More "not all Christians", this time with an added level of playing the victim. Hard pass.
-Jews don't need to be converted
Even stopped clocks are right twice a day.
-Christians have the holidays and events wrong
Uh? No? Is this some weird Christian intracommunity thing? Your holidays are your holidays, leave ours alone.
-the dietary laws were upheld by yeshua
Regardless of if this is true or not, Jesus was Jewish. This poster isn't. Kosher is for Jews. Christians aren't entitled to Jewish practice just because they worship a Jew.
-all of the torah was upheld by yeshua
see previous bullet point.
-the Jews are the chosen people of God
Typical Christian misunderstanding of "Chosen". "Chosen" to uphold the mitzvot, not to be better, or put on a pedestal. This is another example of how they fetishize Jews, and it does not get better.
-the Jews come first
See previous bullet point. Fetishization like this is disgusting and harmful. It removes humanity and personhood from Jews, instead presenting us as some mystical object of worship that we never claimed to be and can never live up to. We are not a zoo exhibit, we are a vibrant and living culture.
-salvation is of the Jews
See previous bullet point. We are people, not a tool for your salvation.
-the Jews have been entrusted with the words of Yah*weh
See previous bullet point. Also super disrespectful to just throw that name around in Jewish spaces, but I don't know what I expected from an antisemitic, philosemitic Jew fetishist.
-we should be suffering with the Jews, not against them
WE ARE NOT FUEL FOR YOUR MARTYR COMPLEX. Plenty of Jewish suffering would be alleviated if Christians like this person would just leave us alone. But they don't actually want Jewish suffering to stop, because then they'd lose a tool and a way to play victim.
they end with a plea not to lump all Christians together with the "bad" ones- something literally nobody was doing. Once again, it's a lot of "Not all Christians!!!" and their own self-victimhood. They say not all Christians are "like that", which is true. But this one certainly is.
Chag Pesach sameach everybody, and stay off the fuss bus.
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Three Angels with Messages
6 And then I saw another angel flying high in the sky, having a timeless message of good news to proclaim to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation and tribe and tongue and people. 7 He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come. Worship the One who made heaven and earth and sea and springs of water.”
8 Another angel, a second one, followed, saying,
“Fallen, fallen, is Babylon the great—    she who made all nations drink    of the wine of the fury of her immorality.”
9 And another angel, a third one, followed them, saying in a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he shall also drink the wine of God’s fury, poured full strength into the cup of His wrath. And he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb. 11 The smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. Those who worship the beast and its image and those who receive the mark of his name have no rest day or night.”
12 Here is the perseverance of the kedoshim—those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Yeshua.
13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying,
“Write: How fortunate are the dead—those who die in the Lord from now on!”
“Yes,” says the Ruach, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them.” — Revelation 14:6-13 | Tree of Life Version (TLV) Tree of Life Translation of the Bible. Copyright © 2015 by The Messianic Jewish Family Bible Society. Cross References: Genesis 19:24; 1 Samuel 6:5; Job 21:20; Psalm 115:15; Isaiah 13:1; Isaiah 21:9; Isaiah 34:8; Isaiah 34:10; Daniel 12:13; Romans 14:8; 1 Peter 1:25; 1 John 2:3; Revelation 2:13; Revelation 3:10; Revelation 7:3; Revelation 13:12; Revelation 20:6; Revelation 22:17
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zionultra · 7 days
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Things that really confuse me about messianic Jews is why they still bother to have payos or why they wear tallit, kippot, or tzitzit?? Crazy enough I’ve even seen some put on tefillin. The xtian Bible literally says that the laws and “old commandments” of the Torah are done away with in Jesus. So why wear them and follow those Mitzvot ? Secondly, 99% of them are born jews. And probably at least 50% grew up with real, pure Judaism, so how can they think worshiping moshiach is ok ???? If anyone on jumblr is an ex-messianic pls share your experiences and stories ! But please, if you are still in the messianic movement or just a Christian do not interact with this post.
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Hi! I thought this might be a good question to ask you since you are so knowledgeable. I’m writing an epic fantasy story and I need to do some research on what life was like for Jews right before and after the destruction of the 2nd beit hamikdash because that is the basis of the setting. I would also love some information about the daily life of the kohanim at the time. Could you help me out with some reliable sources? Thanks so much!
Some aspects of Jewish life c. 1st century CE:
Economy:
Large-scale household pottery manufacture
-Pottery manufactured by Jews does not need to be ritually purified
-Certain pots began to be standardized in size, indicating importance of measurements for other industries
Expansion of oil and wine industries (hence the standardized jars)
Culture:
Stone vessels. Varying explanations, but all have to do with maintaining a distinct Jewish identity.
A new type of oil lamp- knife-pared lamp.
Dining rooms for the wealthy.
Lots of Mikvaot
Rock-cut familial burial caves
Display tombs but only in Jerusalem
Jews regarded as distinct ethnicity both by themselves and by the foreign powers
Prayer developing. Prayer distinct from Temple worship had already begun after the destruction of the first Temple, and continued into the second Temple era.
Lots of apocalyptic and messianic cults especially as the destruction of the Temple grew closer.
Spoken language is Aramaic and Hebrew
Synagogues beginning to appear
Strong relationship between the Jews of Israel and the Jews of Babylonia
Lots of Halakhic debates
Corruption within the Kohanim because of the Hasmonean power vaccuum and the Romans appointing the High Priests instead of the Jews.
Sources:
Jewish Life Before the Revolt: The Archaeological Evidence
Ethnicity and Ancient Judaism: Jewish Identities in 1st Century Alexandria and Antioch
Prayer in the Period of the Tannaim and Amoraim
Aramaic Tombstones from Zoar and Jewish Conceptions of the Afterlife
THE ORIGIN OF THE SYNAGOGUE: A RE-ASSESSMENT
‮אתא אגרתא ממערבא‬ ("An Epistle Came from the West"): Historical and Archaeological Evidence for the Ties between the Jewish Communities in the Land of Israel and Babylonia during the Talmudic Period
Were the Priests All the Same? Qumranic Halakhah in Comparison with Sadducean Halakhah
The Torah of the Jews of Ancient Rome
I'm also tagging @didyoumeanxianity because they have a lot more experience with that era (I'm more biological anthropology than cultural).
Good luck with your novel, it sounds so exciting!!
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Star Trek: Deep Space 9 is absolutely crazy from Kira's POV.
When the series starts, you've just gotten out from under that genocidal control of the occupation of your people, run by a guy who constantly infers that he fucked your mom. Then, not 15 minutes after that, the Federation steps in and decides to send a bunch of people to take command of the station, ostensibly to help your people but you're pretty sure that's bullshit.
The main people they send are an obnoxious young doctor, a gruff (but undeniably affable) engineer, the hottest woman you've ever seen, and Just Some Guy, the latter of whom is the new commanding officer of the station and your new boss. Then, it turns out that your new boss is the messianic savior of your people's ancestral religion. This presents some problems.
Now, while this is unfolding, you quickly become TOTALLY PLATONIC BEST FRIENDS with the aforementioned hot woman (who it turns out plays host to a worm that grants her the memories of half a dozen other people). This might present some more problems (Prophets know you need those) in regards to the situationship you're in with the shapeshifting Lawful Neutral chief cop of the station, but he's also weirdly fixated on the Chaotic Good space goblin who runs the station's house of sin so you figure it all works out.
Anyway, you start to get to know your new boss, but there's a distance between you - turns out, he's not into being worshipped and would rather hang out with his son (who's a good enough kid). Eventually you overcome this awkwardness and become friends with your boss and realize he's just a really solid guy who lets you do war crimes and revenge missions if you're good.
Now, the next few years are a whirlwind of activity, all of it insane. Turns out, the Celestial Temple where your gods live is also a wormhole that opens up to the other side of the galaxy, which plays host to a xenophobic empire bent on the subjugation of all other life in the galaxy. This empire is run by the same race as the cop you have the ever-growing hots for and so you're conflicted about that. Then a war starts, and this is Bad.
The station you live on is eventually occupied by that same evil empire and your love interest falls under the sway of an absolute tyrant who manipulates him, causing more Problems. Then, miraculously, your friends retake the station and you reconcile with your love interest. Honestly, good times all around.
Eventually, after a very weird incident involving a self-aware hologram, you start dating the cop and you're totally in love, but then another tragedy strikes - your best friend dies and your boss becomes depressed and you take over the station, until he comes back.
When he returns, the war begins again in earnest, and eventually you have to go undercover with the man you love, the gay space lizard who runs the tailor's shop on the station, and a former member of the fascist military who did a genocide on your people. This would be an altogether great time - you get to be a terrorist and hang out with your bf, but there's another Problem - your bf is wasting away due to a disease he was given as part of a biological attack on the evil empire you're up against. You pretend that you don't know to let your bf save a little face because you love him more than life itself. You get the cure to that and are redeployed to help the terrorist cell you helped establish. Eventually, you win the day (yay!) but then your boyfriend realizes that to cure his people, he has to leave you (boo!). On top of all of this, your boss has vanished into the Celestial Temple and you feel bad about that, too. The series ends with you hanging out with the son of your old boss, who's a pretty solid guy, talking about his dad.
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dostoyevsky-official · 2 months
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Is there anything Elbakyan said on record about this?
yes there are interviews and things she's put out there herself about messianic transhumanism and the need to have one brain and how stalin is a god i.e. she isn't coherent about anything and doesn't sound well-put together. in one interview she says "centralization is a very bad thing, a government monopoly is a bad thing," but she also, again, worships stalin as a literal god, and has said that she "supports a strong government that can resist the west" and that "the 'vatniks' [extremely pro-russian nationalist] side has always seemed to me to make more sense". among the pages she follows on vkontakte are many to do with gnosticism, hermeticism, mysticism, alex jones, and pro-war, pro-donbass pages. the only normal points she consistently and clearly makes are about communism in knowledge distribution
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