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phoenixyfriend · 2 months

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I think there's a really big difference between "I recognize and respect what the canon is trying to do, but I'll write this thing that goes against it anyway because that's what makes me happy" and "I do not recognize or respect what the canon is trying to do, and am going to do what I like because it makes me feel like I'm smarter than canon."

The former is Anidala writers who just want the sweet and fluffy domesticity in a no-66 AU, because we know it was meant to be toxic and tragic but DAMMIT let us have this. We know they're fucked up and a big part of the message and tragedy is that they're fucked up, but we want to live, if only for a few hours, in that dream Vader had in that one comic l, where Padmé was Supreme Chancellor and they had a son named after Qui-Gon who was also a Jedi. We know it's a dream and a fantasy but It Makes Us Happy.

The latter is people who write the New Mandalorians as enacting cultural genocide and lionize the True Mandalorians because why treat a complex political situation with nuance when you can use a Bad Animation Decision as an excuse to say that Actually the guys with guns are the morally correct party.

"I don't get why people write Anidala as this happy domestic--" delusion is fun and can make you feel better and that's fine if you aren't hurting anyone

"I don't get why people rewrite Satine to reject Mando'a when she speaks more of it than any other named character in TCW and all the signage and writing is in the Mandalorian alphabet--" malice and misogyny, probably

Sometimes, a girl's just gotta complain

#vent post #star wars #fandom #the clone wars #am I a hypocrite? maybe #satine kryze #pro new mandalorians #new mandalorians #true mandalorians #ftr I do like the Haat'ade just not at the expense of the New Mandos #Anidala #phoenix talks

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mearchy · 2 months

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I’ve almost no understanding of linguistics. But this post and also @thefoundationproject ‘s fics, which include bits about how the Journeyman Protector dialect might be related to Standard Mando’a, have me trying to hypothesize Mandalorian language trees. based on what we know about Mandalorian history.

I KNOW some of you are language nerds and I also did this in fifteen minutes please yell at me about your own headcanons and also about everything I got wrong/missed/forgot. It would be cool to turn it into a real graph to reference eventually (:

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evaarade · 2 months

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"Mandalorians didn't want to change, Satine merely forced them to"

Except, no she didn't and and yeah they did.

Here's the thing, we are told that the majority of the people wanted the change and were New Mandalorians, we are told that the only people who weren't were a small minority that had been exiled for causing a damaging war on the planet and population

And it was That minority that kick started Mandalore falling, that brought wars back to Mandalore, that took over via trickery and deception because the majority were Happy with Satine so the only way that said minority could take over was by making her seem incompetent and convinced the population of exactly that

Mandalore was a tragedy in the Clone wars because people WANTED to change, they were HAPPY with the change that Satine brought, but because an Extremist Minority didn't like it so they all Suffered

George Lucas said that the Prequels were a story about how a democracy fell, and I see The Clone Wars Mandalorians as another chapter of that, but this time it wasn't because of the civilian inaction, it was because while the people did Everything Right, they suffered under things out of their control and an Extremist Minority used propaganda and staged attacks to take over at the first chance they had.

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ladyzirkonia · 1 year

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Mandalorian tenets or the six actions.

Early Mandalorian culture, originating with the ancient Taung species, was believed to have begun as a religious warrior society, War was practiced as a form of ritual worship to their multiple gods and because of this, many of the Mandalorians' earliest conflicts were seen as holy wars and their warriors known as the Mandalorian Crusaders.

After the Great Sith war where most of the Taung had perished , the Mandalorians began accepting beings of other races and species into their culture and transforming what it meant to be a Mandalorian. Those who considered themselves Mandalorian were bound by a single, unifying culture rather than any one race, and they believed that an individual was defined by their actions rather than the circumstances of birth.

Resol'nare

Young Mandalorian children were taught a rhyme to help them learn the tenets of the Resol'nare (basic: six actions) These six tenets defined what it meant to be a Mandalorian, and any who wished to be considered as such was expected to follow them.

Ba'jur, beskar'gam, (Education and armor)

Ara'nov, aliit, (Self-defense, our tribe)

Mando'a bal Mand'alor — (Our language, our leader)

An vencuyan mhi. (All help us survive.)

This code is self-perpetuating and was directly responsible for ensuring the survival of the Mandalorian culture and society.

Wearing the armor (beskar'gam or ''iron skin'')

Once Mandalorians reach adulthood, they assemble a suit of armor that suits their needs and skills. It is both a tool and a symbol of their cultural identity. Aside from its defensive capabilities, armor served another function: in a group formed from so many different species, often times it was only the armor that displayed an outward sign of the culture that bound these individuals together. The paint scheme of a Mandalorian's armor occasionally represented a soldier's state of mind, or their personal mission.

As many soldiers preferred the inconspicuousness afforded by camouflage, Mandalorians believed in the saying:

"It's one thing to see us coming, it's another to do something about it."

Speaking the language (Mando'a)

While most Mandalorians know and speak Basic and other languages, all are raised speaking Mando'a, the language of the Taungs. When among themselves, they speak Mando'a almost exclusively. The language itself is very fluid and simple, reflecting the culture of which it is a part, and like the culture, it has changed very little over the centuries.

Mando'a was often thought of as easy to learn, a trait highly desirable in a culture that regularly adopted adults from numerous races and species. But there were difference speaker of Basic had to adjust, including Mando'a's expression of tense, and its gender-neutrality.

It was not unheard for Mandalorians to speak other languages such as Huttese and Basic alongside Mandalorian as it was necessary to communicate with others when working as a mercenary or bounty hunter.

Defending oneself and the family

While the Mandalorians are best known as a warrior culture, they are also strongly family oriented. Each member of a family is expected to protect the others, garaunteeing their survival and through this, ensuring the survival of the clan and culture.

Adoption was extremely common in Mandalorian culture, to the point where even adults could be adopted. Because of the Mandalorians' constant connection to war, widows and orphans became an inescapable fact of life.

Contribute to clans welfare

Each individual and family is expected to contribute to the welfare and prosperity of their clan, which in turn helps provide for the family and individual as needed. This act is far from the socialist prop it first seems, as it is a neccessity for a society that spends a great deal of its time at war to provide for such neccessities as food, shelter and manufactured goods when a large number of a clan's adults are on other worlds fighting.

Raise children as Mandalorians

It is a Mandalorian's responsibility to raise children in the traditions of their culture. However this is not simply an imperative to breed, as it might seem on the surface. Mandalorians often adopt their children, caring very little for blood lineage and bowing to the neccessities created by their lifestyles as nomadic warriors. This act is a mandate to perpetuate the culture, as are the majority of the Six Acts, by passing it down to both offspring and adopted war orphans.

Rally to the cause of the Mand’alor

While the social structure of the Mandalorians is very simple, revolving around family and clan, each clan and family answering to itself, in times of war all families and clans are expected to answer a call to war by the Mand'alor, the leader of the Mandalorian people.

The old and the new way.

In order to retain their heritage in the face of outside influence, Mandalorians placed a high value on rigorously carrying out the Resol'nare's tenets in a daily manner. However, interpretation of the Resol'nare differed, and at least one group of Mandalorians, the New Mandalorians, potentially followed an alternate interpretation of the Resol'nare by doing away with personally-owned sets of armor and refusing to aid the Mand'alor.

The New Mandalorians was the pacifist movement who placed great importance on the virtues of pacifism, neutrality, and nonviolence rather than martial prowess and military strength as the Old Mandalorians did. They were led by a Duchess of Mandalore up until its dissolution following the coup in 19 BBY.

Similar to Death Watch, the Old Mandalorians were exiled from Mandalore, but unlike their Death Watch counterparts, did not seek vengeance on the New Mandalorians. Instead, the Old Mandalorians resettled in other parts of the galaxy and worked for the highest bidder, maintaining their Mandalorian warrior heritage as bounty hunters, mercenaries and other professions.

"Here's why you can't exterminate us, aruetii. We're not huddled in one place—we span the galaxy. We need no lords or leaders—so you can't destroy our command. We can live without technology—so we can fight with our bare hands. We have no species or bloodline—so we can rebuild our ranks with others who want to join us. We're more than just a people or an army, aruetii. We're a culture. We're an idea. And you can't kill ideas—but we can certainly kill you."

― Mandalore the Destroyer

#the mandalorian #mandalorians #mandalorian culture #mandalorian armor #foundlings #the old way #new mandalorians #satine kryze #mando'a #star wars #legends #mandalorian tenets #six actions #clans

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wonderlandsakura · 1 year

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Hi.

So I just started watching Mando season 3 and I was reading up on Mando lore stuff in the break and now my brain is highlighting all that fun symbolism stuff, so I thought I would chat about it cause ranting to my friends was clearly not enough

(btw this is about the 3 factions of the Mando Civil War)

Anyway:

The fact that Din knows, and is sort of respected by, arguably, the last remaining members (and thus heads) of the clans that headed the 3 factions, the Vizslas (Paz), the Kryzes (Bo-Katan) and the Fetts of House Mereel (Boba), which were the leaders of the Death Watch, New Mandalorians and Haat Mandalorians respectively, is greatly amusing, especially since he's being set up to be the very unwilling and accidental Mand'alor, cause it means he's also technically gained the trust and respect of all 3 factions.

(AND technically also united them, since they've all protected Grogu, which doesn't have to count, but it would mean, symbolically, that he has already united Mandalore, from when the 3 factions were separated. Not that he couldn't actually get them all to work together, since he could totally call all these dudes (since he's had his dip) and they would very likely come help him, no questions asked)

And so, not only has our soft, silly little Mand'alor accidentally earned his title via conquest, he has also earned it by technically uniting the 3 factions, also accidentally, of course, so he's accidentally become even more qualified for his unwanted position. (+ a certain spoilery occurance, that honestly just makes him even more overqualified)

It's really the sword that chooses it's master isn't it.

Din definitely didn't choose the Mand'alor life, but boy, is it screaming crying throwing up choosing him.

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bojangos · 1 year

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I don’t usually do doodlepages but my “Jaster lives and so does Duke Kryze” au took me by the throat

Sent the fullbody of Adonai to a friend and their response was:

so i’m feeling pretty confident in the design lmao

featuring some clips I specifically wanted to call out because I love them:

1. the full sheet!

2. Pre, Jango, and Satine wrangling their parents into a get-along sweater. Tor is shredding it, Jaster is sweating watching that happen, and Adonai is like ‘this might as well happen’

3. Jaster and Adonai are on exact opposite ends of the ‘this is what a mandalorian looks like’ spectrum. they are however, exactly the same height, and they hate it.

4. SO UHHHHHHHH I CAN EXPLAIN THIS ONE i SWEAR. I’ll go into more detail about the political situation in this AU another time but the tldr is “adonai is no terrorist like vizsla, but he is a very, very dangerous man”. Jaster tries to walk away from him here, and Adonai just fully grabs him and does this. They are essentially <3< (if u know, u know LOL)

anyway hmu about this au more because i have Thoughts

#jaster lives au #my art #jaster mereel #adonai kryze #duke kryze #satine kryze #mandalorians #mandoblogging #star wars #star wars legends #true mandalorians #new mandalorians #and just a SPRINKLE of #death watch

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bucket-tooka · 10 months

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I was feeling petty about Ha'at Mando'ade (True Mandalorians) erasure, so I made a Google Slides presentation that's a basic education about the Mandalorian Civil War and what's happened since!

Free for use in educating your friends!

#star wars #mandalore #mandalorians #mandalorian civil war #mandalorian culture #the darksaber #legends canon #satine kryze #new mandalorians #jaster mereel #true mandalorians #tor vizsla #death watch #jango fett #loooorrrrreeee

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mrfandomwars · 2 months

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True Mandos were chill with the New Mandalorians

There's this general idea that the True Mandalorians disliked the New Mandalorians as much as the Death Watch did and vice versa.

Except uhhhh no they didn't.

Here's a screenshot from The Official Star Wars Fact File Part 17, which you can find here (credits to @/fox-trot)

To quote the important part, in case the image is too small or isn't loading or something:

"The True Mandalorians were content to let the majority live on untroubled while they - and any who wished to join them - pursued lives as honourable Mandalorian warriors working as mercenaries."

(Bold added by me.)

And we also know that the New Mandalorians were okay with warrior traditions (See: Mandalorian Protectors, the kids knowing how to fight) as long as you weren't doing what the Death Watch did aka taking over places, enslaving people, murdering, stealing things etc.

So like. At very least they were neutral towards each other, specially since we Know that Satine had the support of the majority of the Mandalorians, even if it was a more of 'you stay in your side, we stay in yours' way.

It was literally only the Death Watch throwing shit around because the non-warrior population refused to bow over anymore and other Warrior houses and clans were siding with them.

#star wars #sw #mr talks #mandalorians #true Mandalorians #new mandalorians #death watch #star wars legends #star wars canon

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north-peach · 2 months

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The level of wordbuilding I'm doing is killing me but sleep is for the weak!

What do y'all think of this?

A new word to refer to the New Mandalorians as!

Usually, in fanon you see Evvar'ade which, translated directly, means "new children". The same word 'ade' is used for "Mando'ade" as in, 'children of Mandalore', as in 'True Mandalorians'.

However, canonnically, the New Mandalorians regarded as 'the faithless' and I don't have a direct translation for that, so I decided to make my own version!

Behold, two versions, one more devastating than the other but both canonically true.

Naas'nare.

No actions vs not of (these) actions.

To be a Mandalorian, one must swear to the Resol'nare (the Six Actions or Tenets). There are gray areas involving children and family, but that's basically it.

Therefore the Naas'nade do not swear to the Resol'nare, and are therefore, not Mandalorians.

The second is a simple addition of a 't'.

Naast'nare.

Destroyer (of) actions.

Which is a fantastical name for a people who call themselves Mandalorians while trying so desperarely to destroy Mandalorian culture.

Mando'a is not spoken, no armor is worn, no weapons allowed, self defense is frowned upon and their leader is a Duke/Duchess, not a Mand'alor.

I haven't seen a single non-human New Mandalorian that didn't have some type of pale skin, light hair and light eyes.

Canonically they are also a government of caretakers installed by the Republic over the Mandalorian sector, on one of the few planets they didn't destroy in a preemptive strike.

Colonizers, trying to assimilate the culture of an almost conquered people is as nice as I'm going to get.

#star wars #star wars meta #mandoa #new mandalorians #cultural genocide

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short-wooloo · 1 year

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Since mando s3 comes out tomorrow, it's probably a good time to remind y'all that none of the legends stuff is canon to it.

Now you'd think the fact that these works don't apply to a TV show made years after they were officially declared non canon (not that they canon to the movies/tcw anyways) would be simple to grasp, but no, I still see constant mention of Jaster the mandalore, the true mandalorians, the war between the true/new/death watch mandos, etc etc in context of the Mandalorian

Speaking of which

Factions:

There are only two major mandalorian factions in canon, the death watch and New Mandalorians, the true mandalorians are not a faction, because they're legends, they do not exist in Lucas SW, their source means they do not apply to didney SW/didney eu, and they are not mentioned in canon/canon eu, ergo they do not exist

And the NM/DW were not rival factions (and honestly calling them "factions" is a bit of a misnomer, they'd be better described as coalitions since they themselves are compromised of a number of groups/factions) in the Civil War, the New Mandalorians existed during the war, but they weren't so much a faction fighting in the war as they were a political reform movement born in respone TO it, the war was largely fought between different clans/alliances of clans for control/power, the New Mandalorians' rise to power came not from conquest, but from a movement of Mandalorian people and groups (including warrior clans) sick of the self destructive, authoritarian, violent old ways, and wanting change, would rally around Satine Kryze

The death watch is a reactionary regressive movement of mando conservatives angry that they lost the war and appalled that they can't be violent murderers anymore who determine who's in charge by fighting to the death, and they insist that this adherence to the "old ways" makes them "real mandalorians"

And that brings me to something else

What makes someone a "true mandalorian" in canon?

As I said, the "true mandalorian" faction does not exist in canon, but you will still here different mandos throw around the phrase(s) "true/real mandalorian", this is a case of the "no true scotsman" fallacy, every mandalorian considers themselves/their group as being the "right" way to be a mandalorian and anyone who doesn't follow that way is wrong and ergo is not a mandalorian, and the only ones who don't buy into this nonsense are the New Mandalorians because they're the only adults in the room and realize it's all really stupid

And lastly we have Jaster, much like with the broader history of mandalorians, I see people attributing Jaster's legends biography to his canon incarnation, when-as we have already established-legends would have no bearing on canon, because they are two different universes (and also Jaster's only "appearance" is in a canon show, made years after the legends stuff was pushed aside)

The canon facts of Jaster are:

He exists

He's Jango's adopted father

That's it, he doesn't even appear in person or is mentioned by name, his "appearance" and existence in canon is down to a quick Easter egg in another language

Now elements of his legends story could become canon, but I want to stress, THAT WOULD NOT MAKE THE LEGENDS SOURCES CANON, because that's another thing I notice, "new SW content makes a nod to or recanonizes something from legends? Fans start thinking that makes a legends thing canon", and that's not how it works, things from legends can be brought over, but they are being/will be retold in a new way for canon, the version made for canon is the canon version

#wooloo-writes #wooloo writes #star wars #sw #legends is not canon #anti death watch #death watch #pro new mandalorians #new mandalorians #satine kryze #jaster mereel #canon vs legends #sw canon #real sw canon is films and shows

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phoenixyfriend · 1 year

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tyotr = year on the run

Inspired by:

Seeing fanart of the year on the run where Satine is in a range of armor levels

The knowledge that how Satine was raised and whether Adonai was a warlord or just a traditionally-minded noble with a mind for defense-of-the-people varies by legends or new canon

The age of the New Mando movement varying from one canon to the other as well. (It's seven or eight centuries old in Legends, and undefined but seemingly newer in Disney.)

NOTE: Do not. Clown on this post. Interact in good faith, which means: No talking shit about Satine or the New Mandos, or talking shit in general. This is not the post for that. (None of my posts are for that.) Thank you.

(If you're that invested in arguing with me about the validity of the New Mandalorian movement, I have an entire section of this post dedicated to breaking the arguments down. Consider it required reading for any 🤡🤡🤡)

#satine kryze #star wars #new mandalore #new mandalorians #new mandos #the clone wars #polls #phoenix polls

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padawansuggest · 1 year

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Hot take but Mandalorians revolve very heavily around childcare so lactating adults taking care of random children (something that is much more common in other countries around the world okay this is much more normal) in public wouldn’t even be looked at oddly outside of coverts that don’t show their faces and even in those cases they probably just turn their capes around cause no they are NOT showing strangers they bare ass tiddies okay you aren’t even permitted to see the ANKLES yet back off but like yeah Mandos lactating for kids should be way more common a lot of you just sexualize it way too much and the only lactation fics are all Obi-Wan lactating and fetish stuff i just am so tired of that like nah anyone can make milk if you got mammory glands you can make it yes this includes men just do the thing-

#star wars #the mandalorian #new mandalorians #true mandalorians #mandalorians #male lactation #lactation #breastfeeding

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evaarade · 22 days

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One thing that helps me deal with people who insist on hating on Satine for kicking out the traditionalists...

... Is that while people keep insisting that Satine exiled 'those poor warriors' they forget that One, the people she kicked out weren't the poor or anything, they were basically the rich guys.

We know the following:

There are clans that are warrior focused clans like the Vizsla's, meaning that Satine didn't exile warriors (aka the whole population) in general but a specific group of clans

Said clans we know were in power and had literally Nobility and Royal Tiles (Duchess, Princess, Countess...) + pieces of land (See, Krownest)!

Said clans were also the minority of traditionalists who wanted to keep the power in the warrior clans

... So basically she kicked the rich guys, even specifically only the minority of rich guys who refused to change their ways if you want to go with that interpretations

And so, every time someone tries to insist Satine was horrible for exiling warriors all I can think of is dude bros getting angry that the Elon Musk equivalent in Mandalorian culture was kicked out.

#mandalorians #sw #star wars #new mandalorians #evaar'ade #sw meta #evaar mando'ade #satine kryze #mando'ade #pro new mandalorians #Pro Satine #In defence of Satine #In defense of satine

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ahsoka-in-a-hood · 2 years

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A funny game you can play is substituting ‘new mandalorians’ with ‘the hippies’ whenever you read the discourse

#new mandalorians #c'mon you have to admit sentences like fuck satine and her hippie agenda #'Hippies are the majority oppressing the minority group of the warrior Mandalorians'#'the hippies and Deathwatch are both the worst of mandalorian society'#are fucking hilarious to read

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constantlymisspelled · 9 months

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Houses in Mandalore - History

For our own benefit, and simply because there was no mention of them earlier, I am running under the assumption that Houses weren't just a retcon from Disney to give Mandalore's politics a more familiar structure, but because they actually didn't exist until Tarre Vizsla's time.

In fact, if we run off the assumption that Tarre Vizsla left for Mandalorian space to quell political upheaval, we can even assume Tarre themself invented them, or ordered their form as a form of anti-corruption, or to force larger Clan's to share resources with others.

If nothing else, this inclusion into Mandalorian History, and direct political effect outside of 'fancy laser sword' gives Tarre a genuine reason to be remembered by other Clans and Houses outside of Vizsla.

Additionally, much like the noble houses of England, and the redistribution of power from the upper class to the general populace, I am also running off the idea that these Houses have been limited to a certain amount to per sector, per Armourer, and per planet, so as to stop large Houses, such as Ordo, Fett or Vizsla, absolutely dominating politics, as Houses are listed as a political faction in all forms of media I have read.

I'm not sure I like Houses as a concept too much - they bring a more human feel to Mandalorians, and I would also like to point out that modern Mandalorians are rarely ever non-human.

Either way, this places Houses coming into affect around 700 to 1000 years before current events, maybe even slightly earlier. They are old, and they aren't traditional - by Mandalorian standards. Even the Mask of the Alor was lost before this time.

Furthermore, since then, Houses have faced extremes that they weren't built for, such as the Dral Haran, and the Mandalorian Civil War, of which I am utilising to have been continued by the existence of Houses as they were before Jaster's time. After all, the Civil War has been occurring for almost 100 years by the time of Manda'lor the Reformer. And the signs of the leader - the belief of the Houses, the Mask, and the Sword - have been lost ever since, meaning Jaster had to come to power the good old-fashioned way.

By being genuinely likable.

This leads to a Modern Mandalore where the Houses are afraid to back anything politically in fear of starting another war, or more conflict, with or without contest for the position of sole leader. And that of course, can then snowball further to the New Mandalorians, Death Watch, and then the Empire.

However, I'm writing the codex as it would have been in what I've come to consider Mandalore's Reforming Era - where cultural pride and identity is raising significantly, and without the existence of House Vizsla, Tor, and the Dark Sabre, Jaster would have been a shoe in for the position.

Alas, what could have been. That is why the Codex will have stipulations on what Houses can and cannot do.

[However, I hope this has given people more to play with, world building wise. If you have any thoughts or ideas, let me know! I'll get into individual histories of the Houses sometime down the track, but for now I'm focusing on the Codex, and structuring the politics around it. I'll add notes and addendums when necessary.]

[Click to go to Codex]

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oozieoozeborn · 1 year

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Satine most likely used to be a warrior

For some reason Satine's backstory is still a mystery despite being the love interest of one of the most popular and important characters in all of star wars.

However we can infer her past through parts of the show and supplementary material, and this shows that it is quite possible

Clan Kryze were she comes from is a warrior clan so it makes sense she was trained as one since childhood

Obi wan attributes her pacifism to the mandolorian civil war killing most of her people. He is a fairly trustworthy narrator and was there with her the entire time. She was also less than 20 years old when she became duchess so its not unbelievable that the horros of war made her give up violence for good.

She carries a deactivator pistol which is a non lethal blaster. Satine would have to train on how to handle a pistol to be that comfortable and that good a shot.

Tal Merrik (An agent of deathwatch i remind you) has her in a chokehold and she fluidly breaks the hold and steals his blaster turning the tables. This took her quite literally a second, if not for her aversion to violence she could have killed him in less than 2

The curruption episode has Satine almost go on a total warpath once she finds out something is poisoning children.

Finally the coverup story for Pre's death is that Satine murdered him. Earlier Pre stated that Satine and her advisors have fled Mandalore. Maul and Almec are not stupid and had time to develop a convincing cover story. That Satine breaking into Sundari palace, getting past all the deathwatch soldiers, and killing Pre was the story they chose meant it had to be believable

Honestly I could write a whole essay on the New Mandolorians and the Mando civil war as whole cause they are wildly different in legands and canon, but the popular fanon for them does them no justice.

#star wars #satine kryze #mandolorian #tcw #new mandalorians #long post #also hey I could be wrong #feel free to reblog

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