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Chapter 23 let's gooooooo!! 🙌
#under my wings you will find refuge#I can't believe that the trick to making progress with something you're struggling with is to not look at it for a while#I was so stuck with this chapter and then I went away and worked on another fic for a while#and when I came back I was like 'oh. I'm like five lines of dialogue from the end'#incredible#will I remember this? probably not
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Twenty questions for fanfic writers
I was tagged by @agent-troi and @randomfoggytiger Thanks for the tag, guys!
1. How many works do you have on AO3?
53
2. What's your total AO3 word count?
712,000 exactly, which is sort of creepy?
3. What fandoms do you write for?
The X-Files mainly, though a million years ago I wrote two fics for JAG, and technically, I have a His Dark Materials fic (but it's an XF crossover)
4. What are your top 5 fics by kudos?
The Mesas of Deuteronilus Mensae
Prompt Drabble Collection
The Annapolis Grant
Three Part Harmony
A Companion Unobtrusive
5. Do you respond to comments?
I try to! Comments are the only payment fanfic writers get, and it's an incredibly valuable and underrated currency. Fanfiction as a community is one of the most generous you'll find, and I'm incredibly proud to be a part of this particular one.
6. What is the fic you wrote with the angstiest ending?
Oh man, probably La Comtesse de Saint-Germain.
7. What’s the fic you wrote with the happiest ending?
In this day and age I feel like we deal with enough shit, so I try to end most of my fics happily. I think A Gem-Like Flame probably has the most uplifting happy ending, but then, I'm a sports nerd.
8. Do you get hate on fics?
I haven't yet.
9. Do you write smut? If so, what kind?
Um, probably pretty vanilla het MSR. No shame.
10. Do you write crossovers? What’s the craziest one you’ve written?
I've only written one, but it turned out really well, I thought. It's an X-Files/His Dark Materials novella-length crossover that takes place in Lyra's world, pre-Lyra, called Out of the Little Grove.
11. Have you ever had a fic stolen?
Anyone who steals my fic is going to catch these hands.
12. Have you ever had a fic translated?
Yes, a couple of years ago someone asked if they could translate one of my fics to Russian. It's out there somewhere.
13. Have you ever co-written a fic before?
I jumped in and helped @monikafilefan get Five Years and a Lifetime over the line for a fic exchange a couple of years ago. A fun, collaborative experience, that was like 85% Monika. It's a great fic, check it out if you haven't!
14. What’s your all time favorite ship?
Mulder & Scully are my OTP. Always and forever.
15. What’s a WIP you want to finish but doubt you ever will?
I'd love to finish Madam Scully's Spiritual Services, Inc., it's an AU where Scully works for her sister's Psychic Boutique while prepping for med school. Scully ends up being actually psychic and she helps newly minted FBI agent Fox Mulder solve a series of murders. I have it almost completely plotted (except for the nitty-gritty hard stuff), but I don't think I'll ever get it done, sadly. It's just too big a story to tackle with where I am in my life. Though I never say never.
16. What are your writing strengths?
I'm decent at dialogue, have a pretty firm grasp on plotting, and, I hope characterization.
17. What are your writing weaknesses?
My character work is probably my weak spot, which is why I have so much fun writing fanfic--the character work is already done, I just get to play around a world where everybody already knows the characters.
18. Thoughts on writing dialogue in another language in fic?
When I do it, I hope like hell that I'm doing it right. I think it's necessary for some stories and you just hope you're properly respecting a language you don't speak.
19. First fandom you wrote for?
The X-Files, in the year of our lord nineteen hundred and ninety eight.
20. Favorite fic you’ve written?
It's a toss up between Proof of Life, an AU where CNN conflict reporter Dana Scully is kidnapped and imprisoned with fellow kidnap victim and photojournalist Fox Mulder, and they, you know, fall in love. And North of Zero, a post-col novel where Mulder and Scully get William back and have to save the world. The one I totally pantsed (made up as I went along), and it came together like alchemy. I love that story. If you don't like AU, you'd like Proof of Life. If you don't like post-colonization stories, you'd like North of Zero. I don't always like everything I've written after I'm done writing it (a writer's life), but I'm incredibly proud of both of those fics.
Tagging @monikafilefan because she's already tagged, and anyone else who wants to do this!
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tagged by @soliloquent-stark, thank you!
rules: list the first line(s) of your last 10 (or however many you have) posted fics and see if there’s a pattern!
In order of most recent to least recent:
The One That Got Away
Natasha’s out of her chair before Steve can fully register that her blood vial came back green.
Leaves Me Wanting More
“You’re compromised,” Romanoff tells him one day.
All's Fair...in Love and War
Tony’s wrist deep in the model Nil’s chestplate, trying to replace a fused wiring, when someone knocks at the door.
Whole Lotta Love
The ride home from the Sanctum Sanctorum was silent.
(Un)Fortunate Circumstances
Steve knew something was wrong before he even opened his eyes.
The house on fifth
It was only a matter of time, really, before Steve ended up here, staring up at the dark façade of the Stark Mansion.
lover, leave me alone and bury the ruins
It’s been five years, two months, thirteen days and nine hours since Steve killed Tony.
The Engineer
“Honey-bear, Rhodey, Rhodes, James, platypus, peanut-butter to my jam, are you sure you-“
Affliction of the Feeling
Tony took a swallow of his scotch, waiting.
Good Dragon
Tony and Steve are sitting on the couch in one of the common room of the Avengers Mountain, taking a much-needed break.
Do I notice any trends? Not sure. About half my fics are in present tense, and half in past tense. My first sentences are almost always descriptive, with the rare dialogue opening. I seem to like my commas, haha. I now realize that this was first line(s) and not first sentences, but oh well. Most of my sentences start in medias res, and in the middle of the action, too. I like to think it makes the reader interested in knowing more. I hope so.
I think a fun game to do in relation to this one is to have people try to guess what the fic is about based on just the title and first line/sentence.
I'm tagging @starvels, @dirigibleplumbing, @the-faultofdaedalus, @thahiree, @nostalgicatsea, @earliebirb, @tinystark616
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28 for prowlerbyte? 👀👀
28. "your smile brings me so much joy."
(Okay, I brought this on myself, but forgive me if I don't have Prowler Miles' characterization down. Also, I ran out of steam when it came to trying to actually incorporate the line in the dialogue, but the vibe/sentiment of it is definitely there!)
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Their first one-on-one conversation happened in the food court back at Headquarters.
Nearly everyone who had taken part in the day's (huge, exhausting) battle was there, but most of them had crashed before their food even arrived. Meaning, rather than a comfortable group of all five people who had crammed into the booth together, it was just Margo and Miles 42 eating their food in silence while Malala Windsor, Lego Peter Parker, and Peter Porker snored unhelpfully two feet away from them.
But it was a comfortable silence. Because they were both starving.
And once they had eaten their fill, it came to light that they both had the same favorite TV show.
Sort of.
They were from different universes, so it was more like they both liked shows with the exact same template and extremely similar character names but different everything-else. Which was even better, because who wouldn't want to binge a slightly-warped version of a show they already liked?
"Waitwaitwait, so Cassian and Luxer never kill each other in your world?" Miles demanded, his eyes piercing and invested.
"No!" Margo exclaimed, struggling to keep her ecstatic energy at bay. "They literally talked it out! Yours killed each other?! When?!"
"Season 2 finale, at the abandoned chemical plant! One scene after Dallas becomes king of the Society of Mages!"
"Okay, first of all, in mine Dallas is Dalia, and second of all Dalia never gets the respect she deserves! Caspian and Lucius are literally allowed to walk all over her while she does spells for them whenever they ask. In mine, Season 2 ends with her confronting the Society of Mages and them basically excommunicating her."
"Word?! I'm almost more mad about that than Cassian and Luxer killing each other."
"In mine, they kiss in Season 3. They weren't endgame, though. There was this thing with the actors- and they say it wasn't the reason, but it seriously seemed like it was..."
Margo didn't notice the way Miles' face softened as he watched her ramble. The passion in her raised voice, the barely-suppressed laughter, the adorably spastic gestures of her hands as she raced through the overview of actor drama and coinciding plot points-
"Oh," she suddenly broke off, having accidentally kicked him under the table. "Sorry about that. Usually I'm a hologram when I'm here, so I don't have to be as aware of my surroundings." She took a bite of her quesadillas before continuing, "But yeah, they nerfed Caspian hard after the Season 3 finale..."
Miles hid a smile by drinking more of his soda. In his own universe, he didn't spend a lot of time with people his own age. Unlike Spider Miles, he wasn't enrolled in any fancy science school, and thanks to a heaping helping of unaddressed emotional baggage, his time at public school had mostly amounted to devoting minimal attention to classes that felt kindergarten-easy and keeping his cool when bigger guys thought his lanky frame meant they got to start something.
"I can't tell if your world's version of the show sounds slightly better or slightly worse," he mused, "but I think I want to watch all of it."
"Oh, I fully plan to binge yours at the first opportunity."
"Well..." He tried out the charming voice he'd learned from Uncle Aaron. "We both have wristbands. If you want, you could...swing by my universe sometime, you know..."
"Yeah! We gotta meet up. I..." She grimaced. "If you want to watch it in my world, too, we'll probably have to do it somewhere other than my house, but I can make it happen."
"Well, it's a date." And he seamlessly concealed the sudden rush of embarrassment at his impulsive statement by taking a huge bite of his food.
"Technically right now it's just a concept," Margo teased. "It's a date when we have a date and time."
"If we want to watch the whole show in both worlds, how about Tuesday at 7 we watch three episodes of my version, then Thursday at 7 three episodes of your version?"
"Alternating as we go? That'll be trippy; I love it." With a grin, she added, "Now it's a date."
And he was not fighting back a smile. He was just drinking his drink. The Prowler did not have butterflies in his stomach. No indeed. "'Swing by' was a pun, you know."
"Oh, shoot. That one snuck by me."
"It prowled by."
"I was about to-! You didn't give me time to say it!"
"Too slow. I thought you spider people were supposed to be fast."
"Oh, you just keep talkin'. Season 3's gonna hit you like a truck."
#across the spiderverse#into the spiderverse#prowler miles#spider byte#margo kess#prowlerbyte#my fanfiction#my fanfic
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Before we continue, Desuhiko has a new Hangout to attend as well.
YES. FINALLY, I got to eat at the hotel's diner. Only took several murders to get here.
Wouldn't have thought Desuhiko would be my ticket to diner food but here we are.
REALLY, DESUHIKO?
I can't escape it. Even in the Hangouts that are supposed to be about Desuhiko, he's still only interested in shilling the game's main ship. I'm pretty sure Desuhiko has had more lines of dialogue about Yuma/Kurumi shipping than Yuma and Kurumi have.
Which, to be fair, isn't hard since most of Yuma and Kurumi's shipping moments have consisted of awkward pauses and blushing at each other.
You know what I would like more than a Gumshoe Gab with Desuhiko about how Yuma's totally feeling feelings oh so very much for Kurumi? A set of five Gabs for Kurumi where they get to be sweet and romantic together. But we can't have that, because then Kodaka would have to write romance instead of regurgitating the same lazy pining cliches that everyone uses to talk around their own subplot.
Writers give so few fucks about their obligatory love interests that they'd rather give us an intimate private conversation with Desuhiko about Kurumi than an intimate private conversation with Kurumi.
This is why all of the most popular ships are gay. That's what audiences take away when characters only get to express themselves on a personal level with their same-sex besties. Frodo and Samwise are the ship because nobody gives a shit about Rosie Cotton. Why would they?
Sorry. I aggressively hate the Stock Romance Tropes and it's triggering for me. What were we talking about?
We're supposed to be like "LOL That delusional Desuhiko" but it's not like Yuma and Kurumi's relationship has had much more development than that.
We talked about this before with Desuhiko's aspirations to be a star. He has low self-esteem and is more interested in the validation of having people adore him than he is in cultivating an artistic talent.
His skirt-chasing is very much the same. He's not chasing skirts, so much as he's chasing the optics of masculinity. He doesn't have a type because it's not about the women; It's about the image he projects, but to others and to himself.
That's why he was so inexplicably well-behaved at Aetheria Academy. A "comical pervert" in an all-girls' school is a scenario ripe for raunchy shenanigans, but the worst thing Desuhiko did was get on stage to try and play guitar badly to a captive audience. A lot of "comical pervert" type characters in his position could have taken far more advantage of this scenario, especially from the guise of an authority figure. But he didn't. He was. Chill. About the whole thing.
We violated the girls' privacy more than Desuhiko did.
And despite having the ability, there's no indication he's ever gone back. He's instead resumed his standard practice of accosting random women on the street to go, "Hey baby what kind of man do you like" and then fucking off.
I don't think this is about women. I think it's about Desuhiko, a boy with low self-esteem who craves external validation, trying to feel secure in his fragile masculinity by projecting the image of a Ladies' Man. The larval form of a PUA.
It's 'cause your heart wasn't in it, my dude. Trust me, I've been there. If success with women causes you to have a panic response and want to be anywhere but here, it probably means you don't want to be here.
Could be you're gay. Could be you're ace. Could be your interests in women aren't as universal as you've convinced yourself and you do, in fact, have a type. Could even just be that the surrounding circumstances made you feel uncomfortable.
Desuhiko writes it off as "Oh, I just hate northern accents" and. Sure. Maybe that's it. But it's nonetheless a chink in the armor of his playboy self-image. He had his chance and couldn't bring himself to take it because when push came to shove, he wasn't interested. He only wanted to look like he was.
This is the part that PUAs don't like to talk about. "The Game" doesn't make you happy. You listen to Manosphere bros talk about women for five minutes and you quickly realize that they are miserable. Even when they're successful, they aren't having any fun. They talk about sex in clinical terms, describing it as "inserting a rod of tissue" or calling it "not an especially pleasing activity".
Imagine dedicating your whole life to the pursuit of something you don't even enjoy. Desuhiko had his shot, and he got a taste of how miserable it feels to have your relationship with another human being reduced to Insert Tab A. He may regret it now, but the fact that he freaked out and bailed on that situation rather than grit his teeth and forge his way through means there is hope for him. He may yet avoid a redpill future.
And also, I'd be remiss not to bring this up, but good on him for getting out of that situation. A "stunningly beautiful" woman who's VIP enough for the WDO to provide her with private security, something that is very much Not My Job? Sounds like a grown-ass woman to me. And she was constantly hitting on him, to the point that he regrets "having his chance" and panicking?
Desuhiko is like 14. He doesn't know it but he escaped the clutches of a predator.
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Omfg, I'm on a computer and can copy things easily! Let's do this!! XD
@chartreuseian tagged me in this game and I'm finally able to do it. :)
1. How many fics do you have on AO3?
241. Send help?
2. What’s your total AO3 word count?
295,404 words. I write many drabbles.
3. What fandoms do you write for?
Sanctuary mostly, although I do wander over to rogue simulant country Stargate SG1.
4. What are your top five fics by kudos?
Ghost of the Machine - 160 - Stargate SG1
Brothers - 157 - Lucifer
Acceptance - 89 - Stargate SG1
A Missed Birthday (But We'll Always Have Cake) - 85 - Stargate SG1
Beer Basted Omelettes - 84 - Stargate SG1
And yet I mostly write Sanctuary fic? Shows popularity of fandom and ship counts a lot. (Lucifer was still fairly popular when I wrote that, and we all know how the Sam/Jack shippers are. XD)
5. Do you respond to comments?
Yaaaaas! I love it! Except for 19 edits. It's a big part of the fannish community - how else are we all meant to squee together?
6. What is the fic you wrote with the angstiest ending?
Uhm... *Thinks in 241 fics* Maybe Fed is Best? It's certainly not a happy ending, anyways.
7. What is the fic you wrote with the happiest ending?
Most of them, really? Words Don't Come Easily and Of Sequins and Scalpels are proper happy ever after ends.
8. Do you get hate on fics?
I don't get hate. I have had someone ranting about my choices but I just blocked that convo after saying, "Thank you. I don't agree. Have a good day." I do this for fun, I haven't time for negative vibes.
9. Do you write smut? If so, what kind?
Yus. What kind? Kinda romantic, but also featuring many different walls (if I have a vampire who can hold someone up no problem I am going to use that to my advantage, lol!).
10. Do you write crossovers? What’s the craziest one you’ve written?
I've done a few crossovers, and a few fusions. Craziest crossover? It isn't that crazy (yet) but Sanctuary/Ted Lasso. Fusion? Sanctuary/Pokémon. I love the idea of Helen as a Pokémon trainer. Oh, but Helen as The Arrow from DC has a special place too.
11. Have you ever had a fic stolen?
Nope?
12. Have you ever had a fic translated?
Someone wanted to translate one of my smutty fics to Russian but I never heard anything from them again, so I assume nothing.
13. Have you ever co-written a fic?
Yes! With samsg1 when she came over to visit a few years back. We started planning it in my living room as our kids played Mario Kart then wrote it over GDocs together. Die Hard Isn't a Christmas Movie. It was fun, but brought up some residual feelings I had at school that I thought I had got through. Didn't tell her, because I didn't want to bring her down (because she is *so* so cool and I adore her). We do wanna write together again but we're both super busy (and I'm more a Sanctuary girlie at heart).
14. What’s your all time favourite ship?
Helen/Nikola. They bring me joy.
16. What are your writing strengths?
Comedic timing? I'm not sure tbh. Oh! I can write a bonzer last line. You need a great last line when you write drabbles.
17. What are your writing weaknesses?
Length. I cannot write long fic on the regular to save my life. Like, I know I got OSaS done, and I'm slowly getting to the denouement of In The Nice Part of Town (very slowly), but it's haaaaaard. I want the flash bang dopamine fix posting oneshots give me.
18. Thoughts on writing dialogue in another language in a fic?
If it's a language I know well (aka Cymraeg) then I'm filling that dialogue up. If it's a language I have a tiny bit of passing knowledge on, or I can ask someone, "Omg, how do I say [xyz] in [language]?", I'll use a bit of it. If it's a language I know not, and I don't want to go looking stuff up, I don't use it. XD If someone else wants to do it, more power to them. :)
19. First fandom you wrote for?
Voyager? Yeah, pretty sure it was Voyager.
20. Favourite fic you’ve written?
This is called cruelty. Today? Waves - Teslen, AU, everybody's human (kinda). It's rushed in places but I love that universe.
Tagging (if they wanna play): @drewsaturday, @cookie-sheet-toboggan, @ladyelysandra, @electricrogue, @zebsfloppyears and anyone else who wants to join in. XD
#tag game#chartreuseian#fanfic#fic recs#sanctuary#stargate sg1#ok not the best answers but yaay I got to play for once! XD my phone does not like copy/pasting from tumblr
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Episodes 7 + 8 Thoughts
Spoilers for TBB Season 2
79's!!! 🍹
Haha, emotional damage *cries*
You know the drill, bullet point thoughts down below!
(Also, I'm writing this a few hours after I saw the episodes so I may be missing some stuff/this may be in a ridiculous order).
Love how the last time we saw that was during the Fives inhibitor chip arc. Love that! (Also, I miss Fives ☹️).
None of the Batch this ep but I still really enjoyed it!
Riyo and Bail!!! We love them both. 🥰
The shear amount of bullshit that came out of Rampart's mouth.😤
Tipoca City destroyed by a storm? What sort of excuse is that?!
Ah yes, this building (designed to withstand harsh weather) built on a storm-weathered planet was completely destroyed by a freaky weather phenomenon that just so happened to coincide with us wanting to get rid of the clones. 🤨
Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
Man, I love the clones so much. 😭
More clones with beards is something I appreciate. 🥰
SO MANY PEOPLE GOT SHOT IN EPISODE 7 WTF
Poor Slip. ☹️
The number of times I said "IS IT REX?!" to myself in the first episode. 🤣
Eventually I was correct!!!
PONCHO REX
I miss his armour so much, but the rebel outfit... damn.
Are Riyo's bodyguards voiced by Noshir Dalal or am I just hearing his voice in random places because Rampart is haunting me?
ALSO HOW ARE WE PRONOUCING RIYO?!
Did I just get that wrong this entire time or...?
The person shooting clones was another clone. The pain is real in these episodes. 😭
But dark purple is totally Rex's colour. 😏
GONKY! 🥳
Wholesome Echo and Omega moments making me cry again. 😭
Interesting that Omega has taken up meditation. 🤔 It might be playing into the idea of her being Force sensitive but she doesn't seem to connect to it on the same level as Gungi.
Echo doesn't like solitude because of Skako Minor. 😭😭😭
As soon as he brought up what the Batch did for him, I was like "oh, that's interesting considering Echo might be thinking of leaving. I wonder if they're going to play into that this episode. 🤔"
... I was not emotionally prepared.
Rex and Echo actually have more than 5 lines of dialogue with each other this season! 🥰
Echo pushing Omega back so she can't see the body. He's such a good mum. 😭
Wrecker's fear of heights OMG 😭🤣
"This is him doing better." I'm crying. 🤣
Rex saying that they need more people for the Rebellion and Echo considering it. 🥲
Also Echo volunteering to be Riyo Chuchi's witness?! He just wants to help people. I love him so much. 😭
PONCHO OMEGA.
I thought they were going to steal a wholeass Venator for a second.
Love Echo being so intouch with the Batch's plans now and Rex is just like WHAT IS HAPPENING
Tech being annoyed with himself for being 6m out.
Palps is back!!!
Hahahaha Rampart getting arrested makes me very happy. 🤣
BUT THAT PLAN BACKFIRED BADLY
R.I.P all the clones. 😭
...I cry just thinking about the end of this episode
I find it interesting how they have the Batch clustered very close together on one side of the shot and Rex and Riyo close on the other side. But Echo is kind of floating in the middle. Am I looking too much into the framing of this shot? Maybe. But I think it's interesting. 🤔
I thought Echo and Hunter might have talked about this on the nugget mission but Wrecker and Tech knew as well??? 😭
AND THEY'RE ALL SO SUPPORTIVE OF HIM 😭
THEY KNOW THAT HE NEEDS THIS 😭
I KNOW THAT HE NEEDS THIS 😭
I DON'T NEED THIS PAIN THOUGH 😭
Him crouching down and putting a hand on Omega's shoulder.
Him telling her to keep training (I'm convinced Echo taught her most of her combat).
He's so soft around her I can't do this 😭
OMEGA HUGGING HIM 😭😭😭
He looked so surprised but then he hugged her back and I'm literally dying inside
They way he steps forward a bit when be watches them leave
HIS FACE 😭
I remember seeing the trailer and thinking "I don't like the fact that he looks sad there"...
The last shot of Omega hugging Lula 🥲
I WAS NOT EMOTIONALLY PREPARED
So erm, yeah...
If you couldn't tell this episode completely destroyed me. I am lacking all coherent thoughts. No, I will not be okay.
How do I go on from this??? DO WE GET LESS ECHO???
I'm kinda hoping for an Echo and Rex centric episode, but I don't know if that's going to happen. Maybe, but I think we may just not see them until a Batch reunion later on or something.
I feel like I should have more to say but I am struggling to process emotions right now. Might watch episodes 6-8 again later but I need to work out if I am willing to cope with that. 🥲
#i am ruined#these episodes broke me#the bad batch season 2 spoilers#the bad batch spoilers#tbb spoilers#the bad batch season 2#the bad batch#star wars#echo#omega#tech#wrecker#hunter
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Earthly Objects - Part 2
Continued from Earthly Objects Part 1.
This post was last updated 02/18/2024.
Dialogue Points
Most interactions will not have both characters touching something. Instead, the characters follow dialogue patterns for the other points.
They tend to go something like the following:
Hello
Questions
Names
Statement of Place (might just be an extended form of "Hello")
Foreign Language
Combinations of hello, names, and questions are common. Two questions might even be enough for two points.
Hello
When Aziraphale enters the record shop for the first time in episode 1, he touches the window of the door twice, and says "Hello Maggie," before the sound effect of the door closing completes.
When Maggie enters the coffee shop, using the doorknob, Nina says "Hello" while holding plates with cups and before the sound effect of the door closing completes.
Equivalents such as "Hi there," are allowed.
"Excuse me," the show's opening words, are probably also allowed.
Question
"Yes? Was that you?"
"Seats? Mr. Fell, where are the seats I dropped off for the meeting?"
"Who are you? Who sent you?"
"What are you doing?"
Names
Titles in place of names seem to be acceptable.
"I don't know why you invited me, Mr. Fell."
"Officer, I need to report a crime."
"Jim, I'll need eight battery-operated candles."
Statement of Place
“I’m here.”
“I’m back.”
“You’re back.”
“You’re in trouble.”
“Oh, we’re going to the pub! You never go to the pub!”
“We are at war! Finally.”
"I think you know why we're here."
Statements such as these seem to be regarded as a type of "Hello". "I'm here" is said by Gabriel once he's opened the doors to the bookshop and steps out. When Aziraphale says, "You came back," to Crowley in episode 6, the doors are still open and closed just after he says it. He is otherwise not touching anything, not saying a question, not saying a number, not saying a name, and not speaking in a foreign language.
When Shax says, "You're in trouble," the window is open.
The "We are at war!" line is after the doors are closed, but since Dagon is in the group with Beelzebub who enters with fire, that seems to be the acceptable form of an earthly object touch combined with this "Hello" from Hell.
Numbers
"There's only room for one of us in this lane, and it's not you."
"One fabulous kiss, and we're good."
"If anyone asks, tell them we'll be back in five minutes."
Foreign Language
When watching the show in English, characters talking in a foreign language is, I think, touching an earthly object. It's significant enough that Mrs. Cheng never has to touch anything except a fan when she is at the ball and talking in English.
Groups
Blurs make groups harder to understand now that I know blurs exist and seem to have some kind of pass or share effect.
The story's going to go by some level of context with who is in the scene.
For instance, Saraqael saying, "Your beatitudes," and both replying "Yes" at the same time probably let Michael and Uriel count as "one" character at specific parts of the scene as required.
For something like the scene in the bookshop with the powers of Heaven and Hell, those groups are of 3 or more characters.
For that it, seemed only one character from a group is required to initiate the interaction on a group’s behalf. In episode 6, Crowley represents himself and the four angels who came with him. His shoes are not quite seen on the ramp due to the camera work, but he is clearly running up it with Saraqael's wheels visibly behind him on that ramp. Crowley does a hello and a question through an open threshold. The next touch will come soon but not yet. Aziraphale says, “You’re back,” and then gets to represent the group of him, Gabriel, Maggie, and Nina. Muriel, who was in the group with Crowley, closes the doors. Crowley touches Shax’s shoe while Shax is unconscious on the couch. As such, Crowley gets the earthly object touch on the couch through Shax or on the shoe thanks to Shax being on a couch. For all I know, he gets both.
Dagon, Furfur, and Beelzebub arrive. I think Beelzebub’s fire is supposed to be an earthly object touch for their group, and Dagon says, “We are at war!” If I’m right, this third group still needed an earthly object touch, possibly because the doors were closed by that point. Additionally, when Beelzebub awakens Shax with lightning, Shax ends up both touching the couch and having books fall on her, so she gets touches in as well.
Chains
Chains exist in this game, as already noted.
Sometimes you'll see the three points to start a scene, then you might actually see another immediate or at least relatively soon three points, and so on.
They are really hard to spot, so I'm skeptical it's a full-scale requirement for the game, but it's much more dominant than I realized. Or, the dialogue makes it hard to spot because some dialogue is allowed to carry on instead of the non-dialogue touches. I don't know why that happens for some scenes and not others.
The most obvious chain I've seen, that led me to believe they exist, is the scene between Crowley and Gabriel in episode 5 when Gabriel is fiddling with the lamp.
Upon first realizing there might be a chain there, I thought that might makes it one of the most real scenes to the story even if Crowley might have an underlying intent to draw out his own demonic energy there. That also came from observing some basic rule-breaking that I'll note in another post.
Then again, maybe not. I believe the scene with Crowley shooting out lightning is part of a chain too, but it's far more complex because of the window. There are still some notably suspicious fake things happening in the background once Nina realizes she and Maggie are locked in.
Zoomed Touches
Do not trust these things at face value, even if they are mostly avoided in the latter half of episode 6. I think most of them are supposed to be valid, but there are at least two you should not trust before that point.
Don't trust the zoom on Crowley's sunglasses next to a plate of Eccles cakes, even if there are three fingers visibly and clearly picking them up. There was a fake Crowley before that, and even the real Crowley is only holding them with two digits initially upon exiting through the bookshop doors as he puts them on. After a human passes by, then he switches to holding the sunglasses with more digits. That human is the hint of where the fake sequence ends.
The other zoom to not trust is Crowley holding the cardboard box in episode 6. Once he turns that box over, his thumb is avoiding touching it on purpose. He has the index and middle fingers together with their tips. Meanwhile, the ring finger can be found on camera but is deliberately separate from the other two and not clearly showing its tip.
In both cases, I think touches likely happened, but those are supposed to be a way of the story telling on its own deception. Gabriel probably arrived with a cardboard box at least twice. In the first draft of the story, the message written on the box may have been different.
Illusionary Touches
These things are new to me since I only noticed them when studying pocket touches. In The Pocket Trick, Crowley can't just do an illusionary touch whenever or wherever. He has to meet certain requirements involving timing and framing.
Theoretically, if such things are allowed for earthly objects, they are not as strict. However, I don't have much to go on and never really noticed. I had assumed things you would know would be an illusion, would not actually count.
Crowley's Name
Crowley's name usage, or lack thereof, is just flat out odd in the whole story, but if there is a rule, it's something like neither Crowley nor Gabriel are ever allowed to say Crowley's name. No exceptions.
For Crowley, this theoretical rule applies to all time periods shown in the season 2 story.
For more on just how odd the usage is, please see my post here. Be sure to check my own reblogs to that post as well.
Players
I won't name everyone, but here are some characters that have some notable play styles.
Shax
In Hell, Shax never physically touches an earthly object in the present day until preparing the attack on the bookshop by using the microphone (I think). On Earth, again before the bookshop attack, Shax is always wearing gloves so never making skin contact with anything when she does touch things. She does touch objects with skin contact during the bookshop attack before the demons officially cross the threshold. She seems to avoid it after that. Then she touches the couch when Beelzebub zaps her with lightning in the bookshop. She allows a fist bump with Furfur. Otherwise, she maintains an often stiff posture in her shoulders that suggests a reluctance to touch things.
Maggie
Maggie's hands are weird.
See her pull her hands back as Aziraphale enters the record shop for the first time. She would have fully qualified as touching something right then with her cell phone, I think anyway...then she doesn't. Then she starts to talk and seems to correct herself by clasping her hands before talking again.
Then later in episode 1, she touches the doorknob. As the camera shows her entering the coffee shop, there's some kind of lighter white aura or something around her hand, and it's transparent enough to see just the doorknob. Things seem to change to an actual touch, then the transparency happens again without the aura. It might even happen a third time. I can't make sense of it. The story seems to count it as an earthly object touch nonetheless. Maggie's hand doesn't do that same thing in episode 6 when re-entering the bookshop.
When she answers Crowley at the threshold of her record shop, the left hand is shown to reach for the door and then fully hidden behind that door. The right is methodically decided to touch her hip at seemingly odd timing. I assume the story counts it as an appropriate touch. Nina will touch her clothes too, but it's going to look more natural.
As weird as Maggie is, I do believe her self-touch methods and other factors, such as Crowley looking through her window at the end of episode 6, mean she is human. She is a special type of human but human.
Mrs. Cheng
Mrs. Cheng looks ready to enter the bookshop without touching anything. It is heavily implied she's touching a pillar. Her transition into the ball is skipped. Overall, she is only ever shown holding a fan during her conversation with Mrs. Sandwich, when she is speaking in English, but otherwise never visibly physically touches anything.
Muriel
Muriel doesn't seem to quite grasp the rules of the game when they first appear on Earth. They receive some assistance from Aziraphale, then later Crowley during episode 3.
After some careful analysis of examining both Crowley and Muriel together, it is apparent that Muriel is far more than what they seem because they do know how to properly manage framing and using a pocket during a Threshold Trick.
I believe Crowley and Muriel are actually good friends who willingly altered their own memories while managing a way to maintain their trust in each other. My conclusion largely stems from Muriel's assistance for the Heaven elevator in The Bigger Thresholds Trick, their positioning during the last touch of The Pocket Trick, and the way these characters have scenes that bookend each other, especially once they return from Heaven in episode 6. If these two are somehow not friends, they are at least two people who have a deep trust in each other.
The Metatron
Even though this character does touch earthly objects, there is something way off in how he plays this game compared to everyone. It's like he's cheating without realizing it or the story isn't letting him play fully, just partly.
The camera will never let the Metatron show the full use of a doorknob. It cuts away before the door closes in episode 6, both times he enters. It also cuts in after he's already touching the doorknob on his first exit, then doesn't bother showing his second exit at all.
On top of all that, he is not shown to cross over the threshold from the street into the elevator. He's already in.
While trying to figure out the Rainbow Connection mechanics at work between The Door Trick and The Door Catch, I did pick up on the following: The Metatron makes mistakes.
So, his play might feel so off if he is making mistakes even before The Door Trick and The Door Catch.
His use of pockets is to keep his hands in most of the time and only take one out; thumbs are of no concern at all.
Gabriel
Gabriel gets away with breaking or bending the rules. He gets plenty of touches in, and yet, sometimes, he doesn't.
In episode 1, he just so happens to drop that box before the cut can confirm he was holding it before it dropped. He's holding that cup with angel wings that just so happen to obscure his fingers in ways I have to question once I know hands have their own complex mechanics. His arm just so happens to not be on the railing, yet so close to it when Crowley comes back.
There are two scenes, one with Aziraphale in episode 2 and one with Crowley in episode 3, where the characters engage in a brief interaction with no earthly object touches at the start of end of the scene. For Aziraphale, it's after he's finished part of the Job minisode memory and admits that Gabriel used to be so awful. For Crowley, it's where Crowley stops just short of actually threatening Gabriel and ends the entire episode with, "It's always too late."
These two scenes don't stick out as particularly deceptive. If anything, they feel honest in their uncertainty. Perhaps they foreshadow the eventual rule-breaking session of The Final Fifteen.
Saraqael
I have a gut feeling that Saraqael is not an expert but at least a little more attuned to these rules than many other characters.
Their eyes suggest they know more than what they let on in episode 2. They say, "Shall we discuss this inside?" and might actually recognize Gabriel while just not saying they do.
Later in episode 6, when saying Saraqael is saying they could not find Gabriel in the building from past footage found in Heaven, they could easily have been lying.
They seem more likely to be an ally than enemy to Crowley but not by much. They seem more neutral when compared to the level of trust that Crowley and Muriel share with each other.
Sideburns
I don't mention the sideburns much in this entire post since I have a whole other extensive post about them. However, they are relevant to this game in that whatever is going on with them uses the mechanics of Earthly Objects. Even so, it seems to be its own game with a scheme at work from both Crowley and Aziraphale. You can find more here: The Sideburns Scheme.
Rule Following
A fascinating example I've found of rule-following by Crowley and Aziraphale is when Muriel intrudes on them. I can’t fully explain the mechanics of the rules because like I said, I really do think Crowley is an expert at this game. Whatever is happening here is advanced stuff. I'm going to walk you through what he does to get this scene where it needs to go. He does it with style.
Before Muriel intrudes, Aziraphale had already made sure to have a cup of tea visibly touching his hands to start the scene in the room. Crowley poses to indicate he is touching a blurred stack of books in the room, even if Aziraphale's body obscures confirmation of that touch while Aziraphale closes the door. Crowley's left arm is shown as him placing a hand on his hip. During their conversation, Crowley's right arm keeps telling us he's still touching that stack and not moving away from it. Blurs, I believe at this point, allow a pass, and so this one seems to be allowing some kind of pass and then hold so long as Crowley keeps at it.
The story lets him without confirming that is the touch on camera. We are never going to see that confirmation. He displays his left arm and even says, "One fabulous kiss, and we're good," as if that's a clue he is allowed that one time to show that one arm until a certain thing is going to happen. That left arm returns to implying its previous touch as well.
Crowley has an earthly object prepared for the scene. He fully intends to give over those keys despite his grumbling. It might be very important that the car keys earn a specific point because they move the story along.
Ready for the pass, he has those keys in his left hand, skin contact and all, perhaps a little blurry on a camera from behind him, but still, he's got them.
Muriel opens the door, crosses past the threshold of this private conversation, and says, "All done?" No earthly objects. No hello. No knocking. We have an outright intrusion here! At least there was a question, but it might not have been enough due to what Crowley does.
Crowley pulls the keys back toward himself immediately. From the view behind Muriel, his pose is returned to match what it was when Aziraphale closed the door at the start of the scene even though Muriel's blocking the blurred stack of books.
Aziraphale's frustrated because of the rules. Crowley is going to do several things to handle this situation.
First, Crowley smiles and answers Muriel, then asks Muriel about being interested in humans being in love. That’s a question. Then he even stops Muriel from saying names. He's saying the names himself, so his implied hold with both arms might be allowing him to keep dragging out a lot of the dialogue until he gets what he wants. Assuredly, Aziraphale seeming to get quite turned on by this talk is about the love, but he's also watching the master of this game at work.
Eventually, Muriel brings out a notepad and pen. That's two earthly objects. Between both Muriel and Crowley, that interaction meets the requirements, regardless of the initiating question from the whole intrusion. Aziraphale has kept quiet the whole time though he at least smiles. Crowley's left arm readies itself for what comes next. His right arm is still implying the touch behind him.
Muriel's eyes move their attention from Crowley to the notepad. Spanning only a few frames after this shift, Crowley's blurred hand shows the keys for the touch and tosses the keys toward Aziraphale. Without checking frame by frame, it looks instant based on the notepad, not the eye movement from Muriel. He knew exactly what he was doing. There is a slight possibly that secretly trusted friend Muriel was actually giving him a cue, but I lean more toward that not happening myself. However, I do have an overall bias toward Crowley.
Aziraphale manages the catch, thankfully. You can tell he was nervous and is grateful. He winks. That gives one point to him for the keys in his hand and another point for the wink as a self-touch since he’s a supernatural being holding an earthly object. The pair need one last point.
Muriel's attention remains on their notepad for the entire toss.
Crowley's right arm maintains its implied touch throughout the entire scene, even after the toss is done. He does one last thing to close it all out. He gives a sour grimace to allow his cheeks an active touch on his new sunglasses. At least, I think that's how the sequence is intended to be.
So, my current guess is that the scene is three different interactions. The first is between Aziraphale and Crowley. They already had their points but the story doesn’t want just points (or, as noted, the implied touch may have allowed some kind of hold). Those keys needed a relevant pass between these two players. Muriel’s intrusion reset things, so that another interaction of three points between Crowley and Aziraphale was necessary.
Crowley takes over to be the one character to interact with Muriel, get them their own points without involving the keys in this intentionally isolated interaction. His precise timing is impressive. Then there’s the third sequence covered above (keys, wink, grimace). To help keep these interactions separate, Muriel should not see the pass.
Now that I suspect Crowley and Muriel are actually friends, the intrusion itself might have accomplished something I will never truly understand.
Rule Breaking - Basic
Likely Fake Crowley, who is probably Aziraphale, passing a cardboard box and no dialogue is breaking the rules. Soon after is a blurry figure who I’m guessing is still a fake. The figure picks up sunglasses and avoids an obvious plate of Eccles cakes. These cuts are likely part of an edit. There are two earthly objects emphatically not touched. Gabriel is nowhere to be found, but the more clear fake had long sideburns. In the next bookshop scene, the plate has disappeared, and the cardboard box has been moved.
Crowley, Saraqael, and Muriel walking to the Heaven elevator is likely an edit because it also breaks the rules. There are no earthly object touches, no dialogue, and suddenly Michael and Uriel are in the elevator later. That one's probably obvious to others, but still. There were no touches is my point. There were floor reflections but no touches otherwise. Crowley didn't hop or run, and Saraqael never takes their finger off their joystick for their wheelchair. Muriel marched. There were even avoided touches in the cut right before it.
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Could you do number 120 from the sarcasm prompts if ur still taking requests? it fits mabel and bill too well!!
(( btw sorry for liking a bunch of ur posts at once, It's easier to save them to read later that way 😭))
Never apologise for binge liking my stuff, seeing it all gives me happy feelings inside! <3
-DEAD WEIGHT
'Hnnnnghhhh!'
'Gross, gross, get off me!' Mabel yelled, batting the zombie off her as the decomposed corpse tried to grab her head. She saw a flash of teeth as it tried to chomp on her arm like a chew toy before a baseball bat swung down upon its skull.
She winced at the crunching noise, scrambling up to her feet as she regarded her saviour with a smile.
Then she realised who it was.
'Oh, it's you.'
Bill smiled. 'Wow, I save your stupid life and that's what I get? You got a stone cold heart there.'
She frowned with concern. 'I thought Dipper was with you.' The two had been together when she'd left them behing bickering to go ahead. Bill hadn't offed him, had he?
'Eh, he's fine. Last I saw him, he was rolling down some hill screaming like a girl.'
Oh, is that what she heard? She thought that was another woman in trouble.
'So,' Bill began, regarding her as the zombie made guttural noises beneath his foot.
Mabel smile back innocently. 'Soooo... what?
They both stared at one another without flinching.
'Shooting Star.'
'Yes?'
His eyes narrowed. 'Y'know, last I checked, there weren't any undead zombies roaming in these woods.'
'Oh, well you see, that's actually a really funny story.'
'Uh huh.'
'See, part of the reason I wanted to check the caves out is because I heard there was this wizard who used to live here and he could answer any five questions you had in exchange for shiny stuff! So, I brought some blank CDs and went to where he was supposed to be but there was nothing there!'
'Nothing?'
'Well, there was this weird stone that now I'm thinking about, was kinda shaped like a coffin? And it had some weird writing on it that I decided to read and.... well, tah dah?' She offered a sheepish smile, holding out her hands towards the thing beneath his feet. Usually it was Dipper who raised the dead by accident and she scolded him. Urgh, he was gonna have a field day having the shoe on the other foot, wasn't he? Noooooo.
'Please don't tell Dipper,' she said quickly.
Before he could reply, the zombie beneath him groaned again. Bill growled, looking down in annoyance. 'Will you shut up!?'
'No.'
They both froze.
'Whoah, did you just talk?' Mabel asked, eyes wide.
The zombie continuned to struggle but a clear voice came from beneath Bill's boot. 'Yes.'
'Ah, it worked!' Mabel gave a jump of delight. 'See, he's answering questions!'
'Yeah, and now you have three left.'
'I- huh?' She paused, thinking over the last few lines of dialogue before she frowned. 'Oh, urgh. Gotta make this one count then.'
'Why did you need a dead wizard to answer your questions? Maths too hard?'
'Yes,' the zombie groaned. Mabel kicked the wizard in the gut before giving Bill a glare.
'You're wasting my questions! And besides, I wouldn't disrespect him like that!' A pause. 'I was gonna ask him if there were any boys who liked me...' The ones in her school so far were being very wary, and she'd been shot down three times already. If she knew where to start with a positive frame to work with, it might be better.
'I can tell ya now there is.'
She blinked, tilting her head. 'Really?'
'Yeah, Gideon Gleeful. Go get him, tiger.'
'Bleh.' She made a face to his amusement.
'Anyway, I'm betting you cast some form of Speak to the Dead spell,' Bill drawled. 'We ask him two more questions, and he'll go back to being dead.'
'Is it really that easy?' Mabel realised her error a second too late as the zombie released a hissed "yes". She groaned in agrravation. Okay, one more question. Gotta make it count!
But before she could ask question both of the duo caught sight of flashing blue lights in the distnace through the treeline. Mabel froze. Cops? Had someone heard their screaming?
'Oooh, that's bad.'
'Oi, grab his legs. Now.'
Mabel took hold of the wizard by his lower half, grimacing when she felt some bare decomposed skin under her fingertips. The guy looked very much like a wizard with a long beard and robes adorning his corpse which has mostly decayed by this point. Gross.
Bill grabbed under his arms, and the two of them began shuffling away from the police lights. Talk about your Monday night.
The demon grinned. 'This is fun.'
'Seriously? We're trying to hide a body!'
'Hey, it's not like we killed him. Heck, you un-killed him technically. Ain't no laws against that. Well, not human ones anyway.'
The sound of movement in the bushes made them both freeze, heads snapping around as the leaves began to move. Mabel felt her heart leap into her throat as a figure stepped out from the overgrowth to reveal-
'Oh, it's just Dipper,' she said, sighing in relief as her body relaxed.
'Sup, Pine Tree.'
'Hnnnghghh,' the zombie groaned.
Dipper stared at them all with wide eyes, gaze dropping down to the zombie in their arms.
'What the hell are you doing?'
But before either of them could respond, a raspy voice cut them to the chase:-
'Flirting.'
'Huh!?'
'What!?'
Three pairs of heads snapped down to watch as the zombie made a peace sign with its fingers and dropped dead for good. Mabel and Bill both exchanged quick glances before grimacing and hastily dropping the wizard on the floor in favour of stepping away from one another.
Dipper continuned to stare on. 'Seriously, what the hell is going on here?
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So, I've been waiting for the perfect moment to re-read the new chapter because when I first did I was totally disassociated and just couldn't pay enough attention for more than five sentences BUT anyway I forced myself to read because the intrigue was KILLING ME. So far I haven't had the chance to read it in peace but fck it, I have to share my thoughts!
All those things aside, and for what my stupid overstimulated brain could remember/absorb... WOW I MEAN, for some reason I didn't though that the order to serve the tea came from Alicent!?!? I just thought it was Larys and his attempts to win the queen's favour. You know, like the fire at Harrenhall? Idk if I'm even making sense lol 🙃
It completely went over my head but it just makes so much sense when you think about her overall disapproval of the marriage. Put that together with her delusions of self righteousness and being this 'pious woman devoted to the faith and everything that's good and holy' and such and YES! This is her thinking she's "saving" babey somehow of the horrible burden it must be being married to Daemon. THE SAME train of thought of Ser Criston!?
I'm thinking Alicent inner monologue was like: -So if there's no consumation of the marriage it will make it easy to nullify... Okay, well, they did fuck,,, soo,,, umm, if they don't have any heirs then that'll make sinful-selfish-ugly Daemon dislike her and leave her and then she can finally be saved and redeemed by marrying a good man... Of course Viserys would allow it, even more if my father convinces him.-
And, Senna... She just completely disappointed me. I kinda get where she's coming from but girrrrlll that wasn't your choice to make! I'm a little conflicted because I don't want babey to lose another of her friends but that is just something that can't be ignored.
Oh and babey's confrontation with Alicent! And that slap! I loved it!
-I would rather be his whore than your saint.-
That line will forever be ingrained in my mind. It lives there rent free now. Whew.
So yeah, that was a ramble... I apologize for any mistakes, this must be unreadable. Heh
Thank you so much once again for this magnificent story! Lots of love to you and good luck with work!
-V
HHHHEEEEEYYYY, V!
Firstly, I am so sorry for how long it took me to get back to you on this one. Jeez. I suck. Secondly, I'm so glad you enjoyed this chapter, aaaah! It was one of the two (maybe three?) 'big reveals' of this story, and so I had to pump out a lot of dialogue for it. The next one is also a little dialogue-heavy, le sigh.
I totally get expecting someone else, not Alicent! It's been interesting to read what people were thinking before I posted the chapter, and while quite a few guessed Alicent, the reasoning at least caught people by surprise. I think she's one of those types of people who do heinous things for the sake of what she believes is right; in a way, this makes her so much more dangerous than those who know they're in the wrong. Senna was a letdown, but she was the only way I could sort of rationalise as to how Babey was getting dosed while all the way on Dragonstone. I could totally see Alicent manipulating this poor minor noblewoman into thinking the ONLY possible thing to do to 'save' her mistress is to prevent her having the children of a man famed for his various cruelties. We see Babey in a low point next chapter, cuz she's just a little bit done. Rhaenyra, Miriam, Senna, Alicent... all the people she thought were her friends are dying or betraying her, poor girl. BUT she's getting new ladies, AAAAAND the big sis reunion is COMING UP SOOOOOOOON! I'm so glad you enjoyed the slap, I wasn't expecting it to happen but it came bursting from my brain and fingers and I left it in there, lol. She deserved it, haha. I'm pretty sure that line - "I would rather be his whore than your saint" - was what I came up with before even writing that scene, so I built everything around it. It came to me randomly, but I'm certain I've been inadvertently inspired by Titanic (1997) in the writing of it.
Thank you so so much for reading, and for sharing your thoughts! Thrilled you liked it!
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ask meme: 5, 6, 7, 13, 14, 20
5. Share one of your strengths.
everyone has always told me that i write invidiual character voices very well. i try to make narration and dialogue distinct and i think i do a great job!
my vantage is completely different from my crypto who is completely different from my octane, and on the surface octane may look like he'd share the same narrative voice as leo from rise but my leo rise voice is different from octane's and ohg i just love writing how different characters would describe things or percieve situations.
i do want to give a special shout out to my vantage from my mad science fic. i don't care for her character that much but writing her was so fun and judging by the reception i got from it when posted people really enjoyed her character voice too.
6. Share one of your weaknesses.
scene-setting, environmental description, action. god this problem plagues me when reading, writing, AND drawing. i simply cannot picture where characters are or what they're doing or how they're having this conversation, sitting down or standing up. in my brain, everything takes place with characters standing around in a white void until something happens in the environment. visually it looks like that one scene in coraline. you know the one
here's how my fic writing process goes. dialogue, emotion and feelings and shit, basic plot action like going to the next necessary location, or maybe a super important event, or the set-up and punchline to a non-verbal joke. then i go back and add like 1k-2k words of just...setting. description. action. response. reaction. physical action. THEN i go over it again for like actual editing and proofreading
i can give you an example right now of what i mean
everything highlighted here was not what was originally written and was added later so the scene would be more than just "he said/he said" and maybe it's because i'm the one who wrote it but like...you can tell it was tacked on.
i'm trying to get better at this and started drawing a storyboard for my current rottmnt fic because that one relies on action more than introspection and dialogue, but if u ever ask me to describe a location...girl i would need 30 minutes to think about it
7. Share a snippet from one of your favorite pieces of prose you’ve written and explain why you’re proud of it.
umm...this one is kind of hard actually i don't really remember specific pieces of prose i write outside of dialogue!! if i had to pick it would be maybe this specific bit from chapter five of my simulacrum Crypto AU, Four Oh Three:
this is way more than a snippet lmao but writing this entire chapter was super satisfying with everything i'd set up so far. crypto not knowing if he actually felt attraction to octane or if his feelings were just the lingering result of his programming, trying to figure out what he could feel, IF he could feel, octane touching him and inviting him to touch him in turn, all the conflicting emotions that came with that.
i really felt at the time that it all really came together in a very drawn-out but deserved scene of intimacy (nearly the whole chapter?) after the result of like uhhh 30,000+ words of tension that i don't think i've ever really written before or since. i usually like to get straight into the dick in hole action lmfao but i was very satisfied and proud of myself for this one
13. What’s the best writing advice you’ve ever come across?
so this isn't even writing advice it's programming advice LOL but several years ago i heard of rubber duck debugging in which programmers tell a rubber duck their code line by line until they realize what's causing them a problem. and ever since, for lengthy fics or things outside my comfort zone, i've described overarching plot details and invidiual chapters to either stuffed animals or my cat and if it sounds stupid being said out-loud then i usually decide it'd be stupid and nonsensical in a fic too and i change it up LOL
14. What’s the worst writing advice you’ve ever come across?
controversial opinion maybe but i think telling people that every scene in a book should only serve the narrative/plot is STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!! books aren't movies, you don't have a runtime limit!!! i think you lose out on so much character and introspection and world-building by forcing every scene in your book to only be plot-relevant stuff. sometimes characters interacting with each other and doimg stuff in their world is just fun or interesting and that's all it has to be
20.) Describe your perfect writing conditions.
i have my headphones plugged in and am listening to my music. the chair is comfy and i can lean back but my laptop is on a solid surface. i am supplied endlessly with coffee and fizzy drinks. all is well
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To Be or Not To Be?
"With heads showing Hermie's face, the thespian could pretend that those decisions were genuine, while the theatre mask for tails could excuse their more obviously villainous behavior. Little did their new 'friends' know that they were both just acts. Thank the theatre gods for this perfect role."
Five times Two-Face is forced to follow his coin's decision, and one time Herman makes one of their own.
10.3k words, oakworthy, 5+1 things, hermie pov, pining, set during ep17-20
prologue | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | +1
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Herman watches as The Main Characters prepare to escape from their pizza kitchen prison, the knowledge that they all chose to leave Hermie in particular behind festering deep inside of them like the expired ingredients kept in the Papa John's kitchen. They choose to ignore this feeling. Obviously, they aren't going to act on it, not unless prompted.
But then that prompt comes.
Before the other characters all leave in their calzone disguises, The Mascot Kid turns and approaches Herman in a way that appears to be an attempt to act calm and cool, but Normal has never been good at acting under pressure. The crushing worry of his situation is displayed plainly on his face. Normal has been the easiest character to read ever since he stopped wearing that mascot head.
In a quiet voice, Normal opens up. "Hermie, I'm like, pretty nervous about talking to my dad." Unnecessary exposition. "Do you have any, like, advice?" Oh goodness.
Herman wasn't a stranger to emotional dialogue, but when improvisation came into play, they weren't exactly at the top of their game. Their previous heart-to-heart with Normal as Hermie, back at the dance, had almost been a little too much to ask of them. They wished The Jock had at least given them lines to deliver before sending them to the bathroom to find a disturbingly out-of-character Normal. The entire scene felt wildly off, considering it forced them to break out of their Joker persona. When it came to getting close to their mark, they could rely on flirty quips and gestures all they wanted, but the genuine, sentimental stuff was where they felt the tiniest hints of stage fright. Thankfully that scene hadn't ended up quite as tender and intimate as they expected (feared. rather), but that didn't stop them from replaying it in their head again and again for many nights afterwards.
"Like, you seem really wise and like you know what you're doing and you're really confident." Herman watches Normal's hands as they wave around wildly, trying not to be taken aback by the irony of being told this while feeling this lack of confidence. They should feel proud of themself, for being able to fool him, but they can't help but feel somewhat surprised by his compliments. They receive compliments all the time after performances, though, so why should it matter?
"And like... I'm really nervous about talking to my dad about this stuff," Normal repeats, even more unnecessarily now. "And like, should I just not talk about it? Should I just pretend every— like— How do I pretend everything's fine? You're good at pretending stuff."
The thespian opens their mouth to speak, even though they don't know what to say (except maybe to advise him not to use so many vocal pauses while speaking), but they are immediately interrupted by The Goth. "Don't pretend anything's fine, Norm."
Normal's anxious eyes turn away from Herman's to face his friends as they continue a conversation. Herman feels something die out in them, and they assume they're just relieved from the pressure of Normal's expectant gaze.
Two-Face is grateful, really, that he was interrupted. He almost chose to do something spontaneously without consulting his trusty coin first. And he didn't even have a line prepared, anyway.
He flips his coin. Heads.
Herman tries not to let his shock show, even though no one is paying attention to them right now. Okay. So this has to be Hermie reaching out to comfort Normal about his dad again, just like before. Wonderful.
Herman tries to mentally write out what they will say when it's their cue to speak again. What would they do if they were Normal? They try to think of it as writing a script for him.
Hermie, on the heads side of the coin, would write this out as Normal requested, where he pretends everything is okay, Normal's Dad is unbothered, and they are simply a happy family together. It's a bit of a less interesting approach, but at least it will allow Normal to get practice his acting skills. Although the whole heartfelt advice business isn't entirely Herman's forte, they do enjoy Normal's enthusiasm to be taught about acting by Herman. Or, Hermie, rather. Herman would never share the secrets of their method. Except they already have been. And no, they don't enjoy anything about Normal. None of this is personal. Then why are they thinking so hard about this? Why do they want to be able to help Normal with this? Why do they not want Normal to leave them—
And just like that, Normal is no longer there in front of Herman.
"Okay, fuck me then." Herman immediately regrets this off-script line. They surprised themself with this crack in their mask of indifference.
Normal, in the middle of crawling into his calzone, instantly whips his head around with the look of someone who just accidentally stepped on a pet's foot. "Oh, wait, no! I— Hermie, what—" The pity only worsens Herman's anger. Why are they angry?
"No, it's fine, I tossed my coin." Passive aggression continues to spill from them as they feel the heat of anger at being completely left behind bubbles up inside of them, not unlike the cheese that had transformed them into Two-Face in the first place. This is Two-Face talking, isn't it? He's acting angry because that's his character. He's acting angry because he doesn't actually like these other characters, because he's a villain.
He shows the coin with the Hermie face up. "I was going to give you some advice from..." He has to pause for the slightest moment, desperately hoping it comes across as a dramatic pause, when really, he was almost about to say Herman. "...Hermie's heart, but that's fine." The mention of the heart causes a physical twinge in his chest. Enough of this. Two-Face needs him, all of them, to leave.
The Mascot Kid begins to let out a dramatically loud "Oh—!" and Two-Face catches, at the very last moment, his face turning red, before one of the other calzones leans toward Two-Face and speaks to him with The Jock's squeaky voice.
"Hey, I didn't even know there was a Hermie here. Because somebody's suuuch a good actor." There it fucking is again. The pet treatment.
"Are you..." Two-Face is trembling with rage. He wishes there was a face for them to glare at directly instead of this doughy shell. "Who the fuck do you think you're talking to right now?" They've all never known who they've been talking to, really. "Do you think I need? Your pandering? Do you think I need the reviews?" He completely ignores The Jock's apologies. Because he doesn't care what he says! He doesn't care about what anyone says! He tries to forget the reason why he's even angry in the first place.
The Mascot Kid's head pokes a little further out of his calzone. "Hey, y'know, if we were gonna review you, Hermie, I'd say you're real great, and I-I'm sorry I didn't get your advice. It sounds like it would've been really, really something."
Two-Face tries to tune out these empty words, since he does like the way they're affecting him. They're not affecting him. "No, it's great. It's totally cool to ask for advice then not take it as you're leaving me behind to die in this plan." Forget it, forget it!
"Oh my God! Hermie—" The Mascot Kid's stupid, desperate face is too much right now.
"No, you know what, nope. Ziiip!" Two-Face, because he is evil and does not care about The Mascot Kid, goes to close the box before he can even speak another word.
It is in this moment that Herman realizes with horror that this was all supposed to be a heads-side-up scene.
Before they can even rethink the context of their dialogue just now, they desperately seek an opportunity to prove that they are, in fact, staying true to their character. That opportunity presents itself in the form of The Nerd's fist sticking out of his calzone for a fist pound. "Good job, bro."
These words are empty to Herman, but they know they mean something to Hermie. They return the fist pound and say, "Thanks, bro. That's why you're my favorite." There. Scene saved.
It appears that expecting that to be the end of the scene is foolish. The Main Characters begin to chatter some more, completely within earshot of Herman, and Normal is once again, embarrassingly, sticking his head back out and yelling again.
"Hermie, we'll come back for you! Hermie, I'll come back for you!"
Herman tries to drown out the screaming by ringing the order bell over and over, but the only thing they can focus on is the revision of "we will" to "I will". That was an intentional dialogue choice. Huh.
Herman doesn't know why they're analyzing it. They already know that Normal likes them.
They don't know why they're still thinking about it, even after the Cast is all gone.
#posting both the prologue and Thing 1 today!!#oakworthy#oakworthy fanfiction#oakworthy fanfic#oakworthy fic#dndads#dndads fanfiction#dndads fanfic#dndads fic#hermie the unworthy#hermie unworthy#normal oak#my fic
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I'm sorry but my comments is generic and if that makes me look like a bot then I may as well stop. Because I do not have the mental capacity to think up something unique for every comment I write, or to try and recall what line I liked or something about a character. I just want to give the writer the added encouragement when I read, usually re-read and therefore can't leave kudos, but that is unwelcome now I guess.
Hi anon. I'm sorry you feel that way, but that's not what was said. You don't have to leave something unique for every comment you write! You don't have to try and recall anything complex if you can't! We're not expecting complete originality - of course not! And no comment is unwelcome. We just want to know you're not a bot.
What I said was, word for word:
Readers: if you comment like this usually, add in some identifying detail from the fic (a character name, a line you liked, the name of the fandom, etc.). Don't let this stop you from commenting, please!
What this means is:
Write the comment exactly the way you would normally. Then, if you want to, before you hit post, add in one identifying detail. Even by tacking it on the end, if you like.
(Pro tip: Ought always implies Can. What that means is, if something says 'do this' and your response is 'I can't', then that suggestion wasn't for you.)
Examples using modified versions of the comments from the original post:
Fantastic story! I couldn't stop reading it, and the character development was incredibly engaging, especially for [Crowley]. Bravo!
The way you describe the settings is incredibly vivid. I felt like I was right there with [Aziraphale and Anathema], experiencing everything. Fantastic writing!
The dialogue in this fic is so natural and true to the characters. It felt like I was eavesdropping on their conversations, especially the [dolphins] one. You've captured their voices perfectly.
Or alternatively, add one of these onto whatever you wrote otherwise:
(Not a bot, btw. Thanks for writing for the [Good Omens] fandom!)
My favourite line was "[pasted line you highlighted and copied while reading]".
The [Good Omens] fandom is so lucky to have you!
I love [Madame Tracy] so much!!!
(The bits in bold are my additions to the originals. You would just swap out the [bracketed] sections for the identifying detail relevant to the fic. Very minimal changes to the comments as they existed, but immediately more personal.)
That's it! That's all that was suggested.
Again, suggested. Sorry if you thought anything else, but this is fandom and everything you do here is completely up to you. This is advice! It's not compulsory! Not mandatory! Not essential! Just a nice idea to stop a writer from worrying that you're a bot and fearing that their fic was just scraped for an ai.
And I've said it before, but I'll say it again - if you don't have the energy for actual sentences, that's fine!! Emojis are a fantastic way of getting your emotions across, and the bots aren't using them yet. They also appear to be going for dictionary words, so keyboard smashes ("asdfghjkl") and extended screaming ("aaaaahhhhh oh my goddddd") are also great! As are "extra kudos" or "came back for a re-read, thank you again!" or "re-read number five, this fic is incredible" or whatever else. We're not expecting essays. (They're appreciated when they show up, of course! But never expected.) We just want to know there's a real person there.
Anon, I'm sorry you feel dispirited by my comment on that post. But I hope this makes it clear that you're not required to do anything at all if you really don't want to. It was just a simple idea to help someone out. I (and others in the notes on that post) thought it would just be a nice gesture to save an author from stress, if you can.
Please keep commenting. If you don't have the mental capacity to change what you're doing, then don't. But if you do, adding just a couple of words can make all the difference.
#commenting#ao3#ai bots#I'm not trying to be mean anon I'm genuinely trying to explain the logic. it really doesn't have to be complicated!#and your current method of commenting isn't doing anything wrong! it's just nice to know from a glance that you're a real person#if you want to keep going the way you are then please do! as i said Don't let this stop you from commenting#it's just a suggestion of something quick and simple you can do to bring joy to someone's day. like comments are meant to do.#sorry if this comes across patronising. I'm really not trying to insult anyone. I'm just sleep deprived and trying to be understood#however you comment is valid! and please do keep commenting even if you change nothing about how you do it! please!#there's already such a lack of comments in fandom. please don't stop if you already are commenting#all I'masking is that *if you can* you add in a character name instead of 'character' or the specific setting instead of 'setting' or or or#okay i'll shut up now#comment on fanfiction!#please#response to anon
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what's your writing process, from concept to execution?
Oh I feel like this is going to be a disappointing answer if you're looking for any sort of process that is followable lol. I am a chaotic writer.
Fics usually start as a daydream while I'm at work or on a walk or driving my commute. Some little moment or thought in my everyday that triggers a "What If Five x?"
Searching for Good Times started with the Five and Delores confrontation and the idea that I wanted a Wandavision-esque HOb. Minor Convenience came from a blurb of dialogue in my head of Patch pulling Five over for underaged driving and a separate idea I was playing with of Five identifying a killshot in a crime scene similar to the one described in that fic but hadn't found a home for yet. Had Worse came from when I sliced my thumb open after not paying attention while picking up a glass I broke and I sat in the ER waiting for them to glue me back up. Bone Weary was my excuse to write about skulls.
I play around with them in my head, usually dialogue focused but if it's something with legs I'll brainstorm trajectory/themes I want to hit/scenes I like, until I get home and to my laptop and then I start writing.
My life would probably be easier if I wrote any sort of outline, but it's just Brain to Paper. What you read is more or less what I start with, minus tweaking and some scene rewrites to get things to flow and hit the beats I want. I write as I have words, so I bounce non-chronologically through fics as I have scenes in my head and will connect them together later. (Ex: the end of Joining Together has been written for over a year despite there being like 30k words I still have to write to get there... and then the editing I have to do to it as things have evolved and I've become a better writer) I bounce between fics as I have thoughts or motivation for them, which is why I have so many long fics languishing in my WIPs.
It's part of why I didn't used to post any long fic before I had it completely done, because I'd have the ending written before I'd done the middle, and I'd think of connectors or through-lines or call-backs that would be Great as I was working on a completely different scene. I could go back and incorporate it earlier/later where it was relevant. I was lucky I caught the shift I wanted to make to add the Sparrow Fight in Sometimes Age Comes Alone after I'd posted only the second chapter, so I had space to work with to hit the new, added beats that was going to give me.
But, to summarize, I guess most of the process happens in my head before anything ever hits the page. I have a lot of time to just think at my job, and I use that time to rotate Five in my brain and figure out scenes and work through dialogue so that when I get home I can just sit down and write.
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7, 11, 17, 18, 34, 41, 58, 65, 78 and 94 for the ask game
7) Tell us about the plot of the first fanfic you ever wrote.
Oh god.
It was a Transformers fic, three chapters long, about Hubcap (red version) getting kidnapped by Decepticons then rescued by Blurr and Ironhide. It's actually pretty cringey, and I hate the dialogue so much. My writing has improve so much since then.
11) What’s something neat you’ve learned while doing research for something you were writing? Also, how much do you worry about doing research in general?
[TW- slavery]
I don't worry about research too much, unless it's like historical or medical stuff (occasional Wookieepedia use aside).
I did write a Pirates Of The Caribbean fic a year and a half (or two and a half years) ago, spent days researching slavery. I learned all kinds of stuff from that, stored it on a document for safekeeping. Have this on there:
Slaves were scrubbed and their wounds filled with hot tar before auction. The unsold and frail were often sold by scramble auctions, where after agreeing a flat rate, plantation owners would race to grab the best workforce.
17) What is your favorite line you’ve ever written?
I don't really memorize them, but whenever I look back on a fic and read one of them, I remember how much I love it. For the sake of saving time, here's one from A Hand In Refuge:
Because even though his master had discouraged the voicing of his opinion, the desire to share had lingered deep beneath his rigorous teachings, waiting oh-so-patiently to arise.
18) What is your most and least favorite part of writing?
My most favorite part of writing is watching it turn from outline material into fully fleshed out conversations and ideas. There's a certain magic to watching it happen, to comparing the two afterward.
My least favorite part is figuring out how to pick something up again from where I've left off. Really struggling to start the next chapter of my Cobb Vanth series at the moment. I know what I want to do, I just don't know how to execute it.
34) How do you name characters and places?
Honestly? I usually just run a name generator until I come upon one that just fits. Something that I like the sound of aesthetically, something that feels like it suits the personality of the character receiving the name.
41. What is the weirdest story idea you’ve ever had?
I'm part of a (now -inactive) Discord server with a few other Pirates Of The Caribbean writers. Went to a feed store one night, shared a few pictures of chicks staying warm.
That turned into me writing a story about Jack Sparrow smuggling a couple pocket-fulls of chicks onto the Black Pearl. It's the most random thing I've ever written, and I love it.
58) What is the last thing that a fic made you google when you were writing it?
"hyperspace lane"
Yeah, I was trying to figure out what skylanes were called. I got there.
65) What is your favourite title for a fic you’ve written?
Me, who's written over four-hundred fics: ...
I've Seen Things In This House I've Never Spoken Of is a good one. It's a Spider-Man fic, the title itself being a quote from one of the characters.
When The Suns Grow Low, The Fight Only Gets Tougher is the title of the first fic in my Cobb Vanth series. I don't even remember how I came up with it, but I really do love it a lot.
Solus Tome (Alone Together) is another favorite, the fic surrounding the Bad Batch and Fives, an AU in which he survives and they find him. The first part of the title is in Mando'a, the translation being the part that's in parenthesis.
I'm going to stop there before I get ahead of myself.
78) How do you choose where to end a chapter?
Yeah, that's always a tad difficult.
I usually just chop it up between scenes to make it a bit more natural, though I sometimes cut it in the middle of scenes for the sake of length consistency or dramatic effect.
94) Do you prefer dialogue or description?
I really like both, if I'm being honest. I can't say I prefer one over the other. I love description, going in-depth on how things look, but there's just something about nailing a character's line that is pretty magical itself.
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So I got tagged by @galactic-pirates (thank you lovely!) to answer a bunch of things, so here we go!
1. How many works do you have on ao3?
*Checks* 236. 🙈
2. What’s your total ao3 word count?
284,859, which looks kinda low, but I tend to write a lot of drabbles/double drabbles rather than full length epics.
3. What fandoms do you write for?
Mostly Sanctuary, sometimes Stargate SG-1, and then random things that take my fancy.
4. What are your top five fics by kudos?
Ghost of the Machine (Stargate SG-1, Sam/Jack, E, episode tag to Entity) - 157
Brothers (Lucifer, Ella & Lucifer, G) - 156
Beer Basted Omelettes (Stargate SG-1, Sam/Jack, G, post series) - 82
A Missed Birthday (But We’ll Always Have Cake) (Stargate SG-1, Sam/Jack, G, episode tag to Beneath The Surface) - 82
Acceptance (Stargate SG-1, Sam/Jack, G, episode tag to Divide and Conquer and Threads (kinda)) - 80
5. Do you respond to comments? Why or why not?
Yes, even the ones that try to force me to their idea of canon. Listen, unless it is written down in black and white on the screen (or spoken aloud on screen) you can theorise all you want about dates and shit, it don't mean jack.
6. What is the fic you wrote with the angstiest ending?
Uhm… Maybe All He Ever Wanted? I tend not to have angst all the way through. Oh! There’s Do What You Can, or Fed Is Best, or Two Weeks Later. Like, I always try to finish my angsty fics with a ray of light (even if that light is a train at the end of the tunnel).
7. What’s the fic you wrote with the happiest ending?
Words Don't Come Easily (Sanctuary, Teslen, M). It's just a big cuddle of indulgence, and super fluffy (and Helen and Nikola are both happy at the end).
8. Do you get hate on fic?
Only from people who don't like me having a different vibe to them regarding a character. ✌️
9. Do you write smut?
I have been known to, yes.
10. Do you write crossovers?
I have been known to, yes. 😂 Well, some are crossovers, some are just straight up fusions, and they're just as fun. XD
11. Have you ever had a fic stolen?
As far as I'm aware, nope. :)
12. Have you ever had a fic translated?
Someone asked in the past, but I don't know if they ever did.
13. Have you ever co-written a fic before?
Yes! Die Hard Isn't a Christmas Film with samsg1. She came to visit sorta this time last year, and whilst her kid played with mine, we semi planned a fic. She writes at a tremendous rate (and it sorta brought back some of my feels of being a teen when we’d do school work together and she’d fly, but I'd be floundering), but it was super collaborative. We even sorta swapped hats - I came out with angsty bits and she did some of the fluffier family feels. Very fun. (I wish I could write long fic like she does!)
14. What’s your all-time favourite ship?
It's a toss up between Teslen and Sam/Jack. :)
15. What’s a WIP you want to finish but probably won’t?
The Stargate SG-1/Sanctuary crossover where Sam and Helen swap places (natch). I made it so they swapped time periods too (S3/4 Sam with S3 Helen) and that was a complication too far. 😂🙈
16. What are your writing strengths?
A solid last line.
17. What are your writing weaknesses?
Characters being too open about their reasons of doing things.
18. Thoughts on writing dialogue in another language in fic?
So long as it's Welsh, we’re good. I'll put it in, so people can see it, but only if it makes sense (I had two characters in Ocean’s Edge speak Welsh to each other because they're from an area where they would).
19. First fandom you wrote for?
Star Trek: Voyager? Yeah, probs Voyager. But I played make believe games using anything I watched as a basis. I was a time travelling police officer more than once (Crime Traveller - not the best TV show ever but it had Chloe Annette and I *loved* her). Saying that, samsg1 and I used to re-enact Oscar’s Orchestra on the playground the next day as like seven year olds, so there you go. 😂
20. Favourite fic you’ve written?
This is like asking me to choose between my kids. Either Waves, Of Sequins and Scalpels, or Sleepwalking. Oh! Or Washing the Dishes. Oh oh! Or The Keys of Bhalasaam.
I'm tagging... Who am I tagging? Uh... @ladyelysandra, @electricrogue (think they've both been tagged already but roll with it), @zebsfloppyears, @basiltheratatouille, @rinari7 and anyone else who wants to join in! :D
#ask game#tag game#that was fun#also I have written quite a bit but I hadn't realised it and now I feel a bit :-/ about it. dunno why before anyone asks. i just do#rachel thinks about writing fic#(kinda)
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