#anti jack kline

[trekkiehood]

#anti sam #anti sam winchester #emma deserved better #anti jack kline #anti jack #dean deserved better

[laurelwinchester]

My only complaint was that Jack was in it but then he was creepy and an ass and I felt like they finally understood his character

#anon you're going to get me in trouble and my arms are too short to box with jack stans #..............*whispers* but you're right #asks #anon #spnwin spoilers #anti jack kline

[endversewinchester]

Because I feel I have not made myself clear even three years in but Dean’s only mistake in supernatural was not finishing jack off when he had the chance 🤷‍♀️

#dean winchester #supernatural #anti jack kline #back in my day we killed yellow eyed demons

[imadethisaccountforaheadcannon]

Don't you dare try to ""Inform" me how good and nice these characters are

These are in order of the realisation of me hating and loving privilaged happy villians cause they are so common in realife

SCP 999 the toxic positivity mind control blob said to be purely good but ignoring how ableistic it is to wipe away all the ""bad" how that leads to people not caring when others are suffering like how that blob endorses and enables the foundation cult. Keeps them thinking are the heroes that die for humanity while they torture and enslave everyone humanity included with a almost 1800s mentality of same good different bad and this bloody bitch is a VIP expected saviour that even in top secret meetings in an organisation like that.

I hope my Canon of that toxic bitch being the eyes and ears of the scarlet king ends up more popular and 682 gets to be seen as the torture victim they are and get the therapy they need.

Charlie from Hazbin hotel I dwelled on her less cause she littrally only has a pilot but I actually think she is a bad ruler. This bitches solution to the realms overpopulation issues is to conform her population and send them to the same people sending a yearly invasion force wow no wonder her future citizens never respect her.

If you want to do good in hell then do good in hell your next in line you have the power to do it actually do legit improvements make hell have culture be its own thing. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if she ended up having the elitist fatal flaw from a story perspective they can use her to screw over IMP without screwing over IMP with her various Elon Musk like schemes that don't actually help her society whatsoever.

And of note

for fucks sake yearly exterminations constitute declaring war get a fucking army and use it your current plan is probably gonna end with heaven having a new slave class.

And last and current From the Sun and Moon show that Sunnyofabitch I can't get over the fact he had the nerve to blame moon when he was the one that kept him shoved his own brother down into his own mind for years and constantly blame everything on him. I might have let that past go attribute that to him being designed like that if he didn't spent every freaking movement that moon couldn't do giving moon his self hate issues.

If it even occurred to his narcissistic ass to stop thinking himself as the victim and actually try to help the one he literally in control over in every aspect physically,emotionally,socially but no he didn't he choose to reinforce moons truama because of that I don't even care about moons violence or even a grimm understanding of it being a allround shit situation. Moon got like that cause he had no choice in his actions sun did and had them nerve to scream about ""Its your fault,,. and go on a tirade about him ""Not being able to do anything,,.

Then Moon finally opened up after most of his literal existance and I had to read between the fricken lines as the saying goes telling sun ""Stop being a child,, was a backhanded fricken compliment he fricken told us of his truama in a backhanded compliment to sun the one who gave him that truama how messed up is that.

Sun's not a child he's not a uwu precious he was made to be moons leash holder and he had enough interpersonal skills to make moon apologise so many times after finally standing up for himself and then he was made to feel guilty about it and forgetting he even had a point as well Meanwhile sun just let himself being the ""good one" like usual.

And honestly I'm actually want him to have a reality check like the police threatening to seize and possibly decommission moon if sun doesen't get him under control and shutting him up with legit legal documents telling him that he's actually designed to be responsible and actually has some ownership rights over moon.

Which would promptly freak him the fuck out but it would be worth it.

Tues 14th March 2023 sun doesn't just have Mary sue traits he is a Mary sue now.

Oh yeah just remembered one of the older ones Jack kline from supernatural strangely I didn't immediately put it together until someone pointed it out I don't remember who I don't feel like remembering shit àbout his entitled ass accept apparently using the fact he warped around heaven to suit the humans despite it being the only place for angels and Naomi being ultra ticked about that.

And to be honest It's unlikely that these guys would actually get there downfall cause others like happy people succeeding regardless of how bad there actions are fuck toxic positivity.

Actually I only thought is this yesterday and this was added recently but I think I'm mad at the infantilization as well like if someone has sun's anxiety for example suddenly people are unwilling to see them as anything but a pure and if anyone dare give them conquence for their actions the fandom would start hating it hurts these characters in the Long run I see Charlie and sun being able to improve from tough love and I suspect alot of characters would fall under the same category.

#SCP 999 #Hazbin Hotel Charlie #Sun and Moon Show #jack kline #Anti Jack kline #Anti FNAF Sun #Anti SCP 999 #Anti HazbIn Hotel Charlie #holier than thou

[aromanticrowley]

honestly half of my hate for jack probably stems from the bad casting choice of making a thirty year old play him. it’s weird man. i guess you dont want to expose a child to a horror show... but honestly in that case scrap the whole plot. Get rid of it. it was dogshit.

but if you have to keep the child jack plot, maybe get a teen or something. I cant look at jack, played by someone older than me, and see a fucking baby dude. i just cannot.

#anti jack kline

[bibliophileiz]

!

I'm feeling bad about my salty addition yesterday to the post about spn's terrible pregnantKelly/Jack plotline, so let me explain my feelings toward jack as a character with more context and nuance.

first of all i think Alexander Calvert's performance is great. here's a relatively young actor taking a character who as introduced is basically a talking baby in an adult man's body. Many other actors of his age and experience would have taken that in such a cringeworthy direction the character would been dead by the mid-season premiere. Jack as played by Calvert outlasts Castiel.

(as a side note to that, I just want to give AlCal a shoutout for his portrayal of Belphagor. I thought the season 15 premiere was especially weak with even Jared, Jensen and Misha seeming to lack their usual energy. Alex was the only one having any fun, and honestly one of the few things i remember liking about season 15.)

I also think Jack as a character had a lot of potential, despite his extremely stupid origins (and they were SO stupid. i mean. the pRESIDENT?) and not all that potential went unfufilled. The best example of this is his dynamic with Sam and their season 13 arc. They start out with Sam being the only one who believes Jack is good despite his powers, despite his inability to control them. He sees some of Kripke-era Sam (also known as the best Sam) in Jack and tries to lead him out of his shell and into confidence with his powers but also confidence in himself, all with a dash of "you're not evil kid, so don't act like it"

Sam's dynamic with lucifer is relevant here as well because it's season 13 that really leans into Sam's trauma around that. So when he runs into the house right after Jack is born and hears the son of lucifer call him "Father" it's pretty spine-chilling. But it comes full circle at the end of the season when, as lucifer attempts to abduct and kill Jack, Sam jumps in the middle of them and defends Jack from his biological-but-not-real father, prompting lucifer to say "Daddy Sammy to the rescue." I hope you're seeing the themes here.

(i know all anyone remembers about that episode is the truly horrendous direction of the michael-lucifer fight scene, and it's so frustrating because the writing and themes are actually really good. robert singer, why must you and eugenie fuck up literally everything?)

Jack's relationship with other characters can be well-written at times too. Some of the writers tried to give him good consistent dynamics with people like Mary and Bobby and tried to write him learning hunting and his powers as a basic coming of age, sometimes heroe's journey story. robert berens, who despite being a little overrated as a writer was def the best of the pre-dabb-era writers in the final seasons, seemed to be the only one writing jack's powers in a consistent and thematically conscious way. (Without going into too many details, if you pay attention to berens' episodes you can see a lot of consistency in how jack's powers and the visions they grant other characters affect those characters' actions. there's a conscious effort to make them relevant to the show's faith and free will themes.)

But overall I find Jack frustrating. Because no matter how hard writers like Steve Yockey and Robert Berens tried to write Jack's character and relationships with other characters like Mary and Sam in a consistent, interesting, and thematically relevant way, at the end of the day, the showrunners seemed most interested in using Jack as Whatever The Plot Needed Him To Be To Make Dean (and sometimes Cas) Make A Sad Face. Even if that means he's out of character, even if it means the logic of an episode makes no sense, even if it means a multi-episode arc has events that don't logically follow one another.

Take for example the end of season 14 when Jack loses his soul. (And in fairness, I'll point out that soulless Sam was written a little inconsistently as well.) The first episode after that when they're trying to figure out how that affects Jack is actually done pretty well (which checks out bc i think it's written by Steve Yockey). Jack figures out he doesn't really have a morality instinct anymore and decides that in order to be Good, he should try to emulate Sam, Dean, and Cas/make people happy. The first sign that this could go horribly wrong is that he assumes his new snake pet is sad because its old owner died so he decides to make it "happy" by reuniting them ... in heaven ... by killing his pet. Leaving out for a second why he thinks that's a thing Sam and Dean would ever do, it at least makes a kind of twisted logic that is pretty in keeping with early seasons jack who was conciously trying to follow very basic rules of right and wrong.

My memory of late season 14/15 is hazy because I hate them so much, but from what I do remember the next big Something's Wrong With Jack plot is in the episode where he's hanging out with the teenagers and he starts using his powers in front of them, making an angel blade twist and spin in midair and accidentally stabbing one of the other kids when she's scared and tries to run away. Also known as The Episode That Made Me Hate Jack.

This episode has soulless Jack being the equivalent of a kid who backs his friends into a corner and points his dad's gun at them, taunting "It's not loaded!" But a bigger problem from a story telling standpoint is it doesn't logically follow the snake thing. Jack killed the snake because he was trying to be morally good without understanding morals. But the conflict in this episode is framed as Jack wanting to fit in with and impress his new friends. One, it has nothing to do with morality. Two, it suggests that despite being soulless Jack stills cares about things.

Then there's Mary. We've got to have a way to make Dean so distraught and put him in such a dark place that he's willing to consider killing jack at the end of the season, so the obvious way to do that is to have Jack kill Mary. (Or Sam or Cas, but as previously stated this show thrives on the tears of angsty white men, so they were always safe.) But again, it doesn't follow logically any of the Bad Things Jack has done since becoming soulless. Far from either a misguided attempt at morality or a teenager being stupid trying to impress his friends, Jack kills Mary accidentally when he loses control of his powers during a little kid meltdown after Mary decides to tell Sam and Dean that Jack's powers are becoming violent and out of control.

When he can't bring Mary back, he goes to Duma for ... bucklemming logic reasons. And she tells him Sam and Dean will be happy if he does Good Things like make new angels for heaven and torture nonbelievers. So that's at least an attempt to go back to the snake logic, but it still doesn't make any sense because in two whole seasons of spending time with them and their loved ones, Jack has never seen Sam, Dean, or Cas do or say anything to suggest that they are ok with 1) more angels and 2) people being killed or tortured for nonbelief in God or the supernatural. (also chilling is the fact that the minister who jack curses with boils or whatever they were actually DOES believe in God and angels, he's just skeptical of jack, making this an ego thing for jack.)

The season finale has Jack doing the most interesting thing he does while soulless which is make it so that no one in the world can lie. I ... feel like this was the kind of thing they should have done more of with Jack.

Anyway, there's a big argument between our three mains over whether to kill Jack, with Dean being on the Kill Jack side and Cas being on the Don't Kill Jack side and Sam being Resolutely Silent on the matter either because he's trying to take his time coming up with a solution because he's learned his lesson from half his people getting killed by Michael earlier this season, or because Dabb forgot he was there, it's honestly a toss up. When Cas catches up with Jack, Jack tells him, "I know you love me, I just don't care." Uh ... if being soulless means Jack doesn't care that Castiel, the person he considers his father and who he instictively awoke in the Empty when he was two weeks old, loves him, then why the fuck would he care what three random ass teenagers thought of him???? Why would he care that Mary was about to tell Sam, Dean and Cas she thought something was wrong with him???

But character consistency and logical plotlines are not the point. The point is to make Jack screw up so many times that it drives Dean to the point of almost killing him, but couching it all under the "excuse" of Jack being soulless so that ultimately, the problem is actually Dean and his Anger Issues.

And this is why I have problems with Jack.

#supernatural #anti jack kline #i mean it's not really anti jack it's more like 'here are some problems i have with jack and the way the writers handled him' #which is different but i always hate it when i'm into a thing and someone starts explaining how it's Problematic Actually #so i tagged it anti jack kline so people who don't want to see it can skip it #to be clear #i'm not anti jack i just wish his story had been handled really differently

[passiveagressivepoet]

dean died because john winchester didn’t get him his tetanus shots

#supernatural #spn #dean winchester #castiel #destiel #john winchester #i’m sorry humor is the way i cope #anti finale #the finale was so bad #LMAO #sam winchester #deancas #jack kline #spn 15x20 #spn finale

[humnooshop]

A repeating pattern of Supernatural symbols :)

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#spn #supernatural #sam winchester #dean winchester #castiel #bobby singer #jack kline #team free will #spnfandom #spnfamily #the winchester brothers #samdean #destiel #spn symbols #supernatural symbols #sam and dean #anti possession tattoo #devil's trap #men of letters #angel banishing sigil

[thebrightmillenial]

Nothing triggers me more than "Sam is the cool uncle, Destiel are the parents and Jack is the child." NAH NAH NAH HONEY. Listen here. Dean was not a parent to Jack - at least not until Jack was going to die. He literally said he wasn't part of the family, tried to kill him and treated him like trash. Sure, he and Sam did pull a stunt of locking him but again, I'm pretty sure you saw what happened so I don't need to explain myself.

Castiel and Sam were Jack's parents. This has nothing to do with me liking Sam x Castiel. Far from that. It's me noticing the difference between toxic and loving parents. And Cass and Sam both gave Jack love. Castiel and Sam loved Jack for who he was. Lucifer's kid? Yeah they don't care. Dean was quick to judge. Who understood Jack? SAM. demon blood yall?

Not saying Dean didn't redeem himself because he did. I am happy Dean finally noticed that Jack wasn't evil and actually was glad to see him part of their family after a bit. I'm just tired of people saying "Dean and Cass are Jack's parents." Just because of your ship 🤡 like I'm sorry loves but no. That's not really how it works. <3333

Many people will take offense but oh well.

I am a bit rusty on my knowledge but I am 100% sure this is how it went down so like 💀

#supernatural #sam winchester #castiel #dean critical #but there is also good stuff about him if you blink. #jack kline #anti sam winchester dni #anti castiel dni #anti jack kline dni #anti destiel #ig

[soullessjack]

new level of hatred unlocked for when jacks only fanon characterization is to say “dean and cas are gay and my gay dads and Sam is just the uncle guy because Dean and Cas are gay” and not have any personality outside of shipping his own fathers and being a gay little baby with gay dads and remember Sam isn’t his dad he’s the uncle guy because dean and Cas can’t be gay if there’s three dads

#literally can you people stop being this way about jack it is actually dealing damage to me #spn #supernatural #jack kline #spn fandom #destiel #dean winchester #castiel #deancas #sam winchester #tfw2.0 #spn critical #fandom critical #I’m not anti destiel I’m not anti destiel i repeat as reassurance but you can vaguely understand that I’m reassuring myself and not you #bonus points for sam erasure because we just can’t stop there can we #hate this place #can you people let jack be an actual fucking character for once jesus fucking lord

[prince-of-elsinore]

wow forgot about Castiel and Jack's whole conversation in 14x02 about stopping Michael!Dean:

JACK: So they’re going to try to kill him? CAS: Uh, no. No, the plan is subdue him using angel cuffs and spellwork. They have to get Michael out of Dean. JACK: And if he doesn’t leave? CAS: Then they’ll try to drive him out. JACK: And if that doesn’t work? CAS: Jack- JACK: Cas, Michael has to be stopped. CAS: I know, and he will be - after Dean is- JACK: No, Dean doesn’t matter. You’re all so focused on trying to save Dean and I get it, I understand, but - if he can’t be saved, if it comes down to him or Michael - Michael has to be stopped. Caged, or killed- CAS (shouting): And if that means that Dean dies too? JACK: Then Dean dies. I know this Michael. I’ve seen what he’s done to an entire world, and so have you. If stopping that from happening here means that Dean has to die, then …. Do you think he’d want it any other way?

And that's 100% Jack, after he's been dubbed part of the family and before he loses his soul. It just makes me laugh, thinking of the handwringing I've seen over Dean having more or less the same attitude about Jack at various times. Guess they're both willing to put certain "family" members aside when push comes to shove and some big bad needs to be stopped. They're actually pretty alike in that way. Jack's adamance, like Dean's, comes from a place of fear that he won't be able to protect those he loves, based on past experiences of loss. And he even pulls a very Winchester move at the end (can't credit it entirely to Dean, as Sam does this too, and even Cas), by putting that little guilt trip in there, that little moral justification (it's what Dean would want!), which of course has nothing to do with his actual, emotionally motivated reasoning, masked as pragmatism.

And then of course the next episode Dean is back and they're hugging again, lol

#this isn't anti jack btw #just something i noticed and had completely forgotten all about #and it's actually an interesting beat #jack kline #spn meta #my meta #spn season 14 #spn episode gods and monsters #spn 14x02 #spn

[endversewinchester]

why did you change your bio? I thought it was really cute the way you held on to cas despite really disliking dabbnatural :(

*sigh* because he's not coming back, anon. There's not a single part of him I recognize anymore thanks to his actions in the last few years (literally. He feels like a completely different character to me), and Jensen isn't going to fix it. Not when he brought the antichrist back to play uwu found family with. It's over. Cas is gone and we gotta try to move on... somehow.

#anti andrew dabb #anti jack kline #I will NEVER forgive #I don't have the heart to tag this anti cas though

[vaicomcas]

Godstiel 2.0

This part of Moriah was not mentioned enough.

DEAN: All right. So, I guess we got to find Jack. SAM: Yeah. Then what? DEAN: ...Maybe we call Rowena, see if she can put together one of those, um, "soul bombs."

They were going to basically use the nuclear bomb to kill Jack.

In my AU: They went ahead with the plan. Cas caught wind of the plan and desperately searched for ways to protect Jack. He found only one. Just as they detonated the bomb, Cas used his S6e22 spell to absorb all the souls into him.

Except these are not monster/leviathan souls, they are decent human souls who didn't want to be obliterated by the Winchesters as a weapon against a child (we saw from 8x02 that Dean was perfectly willing to sacrifice more than a million souls from heaven to win the demon tablet in an auction). The souls were grateful to Castiel for sheltering them, and they were sympathetic to Castiel having witnessed his mind and his feelings. They willingly powered Castiel and supported him (see my hc about endosymbiosis).

A stable and immensely powerful Godstiel 2.0 now was able to see his and Jack's painful past for what it really was.

I won't write this fic because I don't know what happens next. It would be up to Godstiel 2.0. How would he help Jack recover and heal and thrive? What would he do to the Winchesters? I don't have what it takes to do justice to these tasks, but Godstiel does.

#castiel #Godstiel #dadstiel #Dean critical #anti dean winchester #anti winchesters #jack kline #justice for godstiel #justice for castiel #spn 14x20 #au #fic idea

[aromanticrowley]

sucks to look up “anti jack kline” and get a bunch of anti dean content. dean should have punted that “child” harder. fuck jack kline. he murdered mary. little monster. and worse than that, a gary stu.

jack kline wasnt even a child. he sprang fully formed from the womb of the mother (who he killed like a parasite done with its host) like a fucked up athena and got woobified to oblivion. stop woobifying the 30 year old white boy

#supernatural #anti jack kline #pro dean winchester #i hate him more bc he's thirty and treated like a child than anything else though tbh #he had no redeeming qualities

[elvni]

b*by jack anti!!

yall have fun im still make out with him bye

#baby jack anti #supernatural #spn #jack kline #dean winchester #sam winchester #bobby singer #castiel #shifter #reality shifting #shifters #reality shift #shifttok

[bibliophileiz]

So the other day I sat down and, after more than three years, wrote down my feelings about what made Season 15 of Supernatural so unsatisfying as a whole. And it was 23 pages long.

It covered a lot of things, from Chuck's weird villain God powers to how misguided it was to focus on Dean's "anger issues" as a theme. But one thing I landed on that I don't think I've seen talked about much (at least on tumblr--maybe it's on a reddit thread somewhere) is the complete mishandling of Billie's character and by extension, the dynamic she could have/SHOULD have had with Jack. Specifically why do they set it up to make it look like she and Jack will team up to defeat Chuck only to then make her a petty side villain in need of killing off before they get on to defeating the "important" villain?

The idea that the finale was about the permanence of death and the balancing of the universe, and that's why Dean stays dead, is fine in theory (from a thematic standpoint, anyway. it still doesn't work from a character arc standpoint) except that everything that happens with Billie over the course of the season completely undermines that. Disregard the finale, and the narrative argument of Season 15 becomes that death is petty and our boys SHOULD overcome her it, actually, because they are the most specialist boys in the universe, and neither Death nor God gets to tell them what to do. And they just get to replace a mean God with a nice God who likes them and who they like, even though he has not at any point demonstrated how/why he would make a better God than Chuck.

Anyway, Billie should have replaced Chuck.

#supernatural #billie #still my favorite character #jack kline #anti season 15