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secondbeatsongs · 11 months
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iCarly Meta, Part 5: Socko, Nominative Determinism, and How I Spend My Free Time
so, you may remember that I've made four separate iCarly posts before, because I am just way too into this dorky, ridiculous children's show.
well, over a year ago, I wrote this fifth one. and after some introspection, some really deep self-evaluation about what I want and where I'm going in life, I've decided that it's time to share it with the world at large
so...let's talk about Socko's family!
to catch you up: Socko is Spencer's best friend, who designs all of the fun socks that Spencer wears! he's first mentioned in s01e07 (iScream on Halloween), though some of his socks are shown as early as s01e02 (iWant More Viewers).
(technical note: production-wise, s01e09 is listed before s01e07, and I think that was intended to be Socko's introduction, and it would make sense, considering how Spencer describes him in that ep. but I can't prove this, and so we move on.)
while Socko is mentioned consistently throughout the show, he's never fully shown on screen. but, he does technically appear in an episode, because you can see part of his arm in s04e11-s04e13 (iParty with Victorious) when he hands Spencer the keys to his van.
Spencer and Socko have known each other since at least 1999 (as mentioned in s02e12, iRocked the Vote) when Spencer would have been 17 or 18. and despite Socko almost never being shown, it's clear that he spends a lot of time with Spencer, and that they're close. if Spencer needs something, Socko is always willing to call in a favor from one of his family members.
and boy, does Socko have a lot of very interesting family members.
let's go over some of them real quick:
Bernie is a welder, Otto is a used car salesman, Tyler designs neckties, Taylor is a tailor, Rob is a thief, Arty is an artist, Isaac is an optometrist, and Ryder is a motorcycle enthusiast.
are we noticing a pattern here?
every single one of these is an aptronym – a personal name that is aptly or peculiarly suited to its owner. and since all of these people are in some way related, this is fascinating to me.
it seems like Socko's family is really into nominative determinism – the idea that people tend to gravitate towards areas of work that fit their names. whether or not this is true of people in real life is unclear, but in the universe of iCarly, this is something that Socko's family is all about.
when did it start, I wonder? who was the first in the family to have a job or hobby that related directly to their name? and who continued that pattern? because someone named Bernard going by "Bernie" and taking up welding is one thing, but an entire family of people going into fields that have to do with their names is unsettling.
is this on purpose, now? do the parents in Socko's family choose names for their children based on what they want them to be? is there an expectation that each child will have to choose a profession based on what their parents name them?
I think there is. and I think it's fucked up.
imagine growing up knowing that your name would control your future career options. that no matter how you felt about your name, choosing a career or hobby that matched it is what would make your parents happy. that at least some portion of your parents' love is tied to the idea that you will be what they named you.
and depending on the name, the kids aren't always left with a lot of options! someone named Bernie could be a welder, a woodburning artist, a firefighter, etc...but for Taylor, there's really only one path to take.
what if a kid is trans? I just have to wonder, would they be judged more for not identifying with their assigned sex at birth, or for changing their name?
and one of Socko's cousins is named Mary. think about that with me for a second – Mary.
imagine that the only dream your parents have for you is that you get married. and not just fall in love! no, you were given this name because their express purpose, their biggest hope for you is that you get legally married.
what if Mary had been gay? what if she grew up with fear in her heart, knowing that the only thing her parents had ever wanted from her wasn't possible, was actually illegal, because of who she was?
or what if she had been aro, or ace, or just otherwise not interested in relationships? or what if she was interested in relationships, but not the serious, legal commitment of marriage?
my hope here (my one fragile hope) is that Rob, Mary, and Josh are siblings, and that their parents were trying to escape this part of the family legacy. maybe they named their kids Robert, Marian, and Joshua, and tried to steer clear of any obvious career choices – but then their sons started going by "Josh" and "Rob" and causing trouble, and "Mary" started talking about her upcoming wedding, and they knew that they would never be free of the family curse.
'cause it's gotta be a curse, right? I feel like at this point, it has to be.
but hey, worry not! because I think there are some loopholes.
Penny, for example, had a lot of choices – she could have minted coins, or built fences, or designed ball-point pens, or been a cashier (etc, etc). but she didn't do any of those things! she started a t-shirt company, and made shirts with fun phrases on them like "church pants" and "parole baby" and "chest words" (all shirts I would wear for real).
her job didn't have anything to do with her name – but she still followed the family pattern. she named her t-shirt company "Penny-Tees", and sewed a single penny into each of her shirts. instead of finding a name-based occupation, she made her own.
I really think it's brilliant – she got to do what she wanted, and her parents couldn't complain, because it still suited her name! and if this pattern is curse-based, she found a way around it by following it to the letter (but not exactly the spirit), and because of this, she got to make her own choices.
and speaking of jobs that may or may not suit one's name: let's talk about Socko.
early in the show when we're introduced to him, we know three things about him:
he knows where to find huge pumpkins
he sells Spencer all of his wacky socks
his name is Socko
but, thinking about that third point…is it?
like, is his name actually Socko?
let's look at Socko's family tree for a moment:
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(yes, I made this. it took over two days. I skimmed through many episodes, looked through a large amount of the old iCarly website on the Wayback Machine, and as far as I know, this is canon accurate.)
(shhh, this was absolutely a valuable use of my time. don't worry about it.)
look at his family. look at the names.
almost all of them are, well…normal names. names that could belong to any acquaintance, friend, or relative in your own everyday life.
the only real exceptions here are Freight Dog, Boomer, and Dr. Paxil – but if we're being real? "Freight Dog" is almost definitely a nickname, "Paxil" isn't that strange-sounding of a surname, and I have actually seen people named "Boomer".
so that just leaves…Socko.
"Socko" is not a people name. it sounds mean, but I don't know how else to word that – it's just not a name for a human person.
it would be a great name for a cat or a dog (especially if they had paws that were a different color from their body – man, that'd be so cute!), but it is not a name that many parents would willingly give to a human child. especially when all of the other siblings in the family have relatively normal names.
my theory, my hottest take: I don't think "Socko" is his legal name.
think about it: Socko and every single one of his siblings went into the fashion industry. even accounting for the fact that they probably wanted Penny to have a different career, would Socko's parents really want all three of their other children going into the same industry, especially one as tumultuous and challenging as fashion design?
I think not. I think they gave Socko a different name, one that they believed would lead him down a completely distinct career path. and then, like Penny, Socko found his own true calling – but instead of changing his occupation to match his name? he changed his name to match his occupation.
it is my belief that Socko's birth name…the name his parents gave him…
(drumroll please)
…was "Socrates".
now hold on, just stay with me here. because I swear that this does make sense, really!
so, back at the beginning of this post I mentioned nominative determinism, but that term wasn't actually used until 1994. before then, it was called "onomastic determinism" or "die verpflichtung des namens" ("the obligation of the name"), but it wasn't really…a thing? it wasn't something that people really studied, and when they did, nobody could seem to come to a solid conclusion about whether or not your name does actually influence your career choice.
I think that in some way, Socko's parents wanted an answer. they wanted an explanation as to why their family tree reads like a joke book. and by naming their kid "Socrates", they were sending that question out into the world, hoping for a response.
because there were really two options here – either Socko would grow up to be a philosopher, someone who could search for meaning in the pattern of family job-finding, or he wouldn't. and if he didn't, if he threw off the shackles of his name and did something else entirely, then that in itself would be an answer.
and sure, maybe his parents should have thought about how "Socrates" might be abbreviated. maybe they should have considered that he could grow up to design socks. but hindsight is 20/20, and I don't know if that's something any parent would expect of their child, so I won't hold that against them.
I will however, judge them for naming two of their kids "Taylor" and "Tyler" – like, my god. can you imagine how often people got them mixed up? it's inhumane.
even worse if they were twins! though actually, that would make some kind of twisted sense – to give twins names that not only match, but that would lead them to careers in the same industry. maybe they wanted them to go into business together? hoo boy.
anyway, sorry, I've gone off-topic. back to Socko – or should I say, Socrates.
"Socrates" is a pretty fun name. two parts of it are σῶς (sôs, “safe and sound”) and κράτος (krátos, “power”), which is an interesting name meaning for a dude who was executed for corrupting the youth.
(I'm talking about the philosopher here – as far as I know, Socko from iCarly was not executed for corrupting the youth. at least, not yet.)
and if we keep thinking about Socrates (the philosopher), I think there's another reason that this name fits: we know fuck-all about Socrates.
sure, he's well-known – lots of people know about his ideas, and the Socratic method – but…he never actually wrote anything. everything we think we know about him, we learned from somebody else.
all of Socrates' interests, his skills, his beliefs? they were all things we learned from Plato, Xenophon, or (I guess) Aristophanes. we have no idea what the dude was actually like, outside of that.
just like we have no idea what Socko is like, outside of what Spencer says.
Socrates is a vital figure in the history of western philosophy, but all of the things we know about him are altered by the opinions of other people, filtered through the lenses of their perception.
and Socko is a vital character in the show iCarly, but all of the things we know about him – his hobbies, his opinions, his wants – are things we've heard second-hand from Spencer.
(you're laughing. Spencer Shay is a stand-in for Plato, and you're laughing.)
so in a very fun way, Socko (Socrates) did live up to his name…by being unknown to us, the audience.
us, watching this TV show the way chained prisoners watch shadows dance on the wall of a cave.
continuing down this rabbit hole…does this mean that one of the iCarly crew is Aristotle?
no…perhaps that's taking it too far.
(it'd be Gibby)
final notes:
I haven't seen all of the iCarly reboot yet (I'm on episode 3! I have mixed feelings, but I think one of the writers ships the thing that I ship, so that's fun), so if it mentions something about Socko lore, I unfortunately do not know about it.
fun fact: the ancient Greeks did often have names that were meant to have sway on their lives! for example: Hedistē ("most delightful"), Demotimos ("honored among the people"), Hippodamas ("horse-tamer"), Nikomachē ("victorious in battle").
additional fun fact: I asked one of the mods of the iCarly wiki, and they said I could put the family tree I made on the page for Socko's Family! :D
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look! it's my thing! the thing that I made! how cool is that?!
(I'll be real; I am way too proud of this)
yes, two of Socko's family members have inaptronyms instead of aptronyms: Harry (bald) and Jean (allergic to denim). but in my mind, they still count – the names are still weirdly suited to their specific lives.
since I'm pretty sure "Freight Dog" is a nickname, I also took a crack at what I think his legal name might be. my theory? "Aaron".
(get it? Aaron? because he's in the air? okay, I'll see myself out.)
anyway, my new hobby is coming up with more family members for Socko to have. descend with me into the deepest reaches of The Headcanon Zone, and behold:
Lisa: She's a landlord (she leases apartments). Socko hates her.
Barry: A big ol' bear of a man. Or he could work for Gund or Build-a-Bear or something. That could be fun!
Mike: Audio technician
Amy: Sharpshooter
Summer: Camp counselor
Tony: Orthopedist. (toe-knee)
Marty: Owns and operates a supermarket
and because it's fun, my friend @wonderbound joined in and came up with these super great ones:
Drew: Illustrator
Cody: Programmer or hacker
Pete: Bryologist (he studies moss!)
Norm: He's just a guy
Flo: Plumber – or maybe, an expert in fluid dynamics
Hattie: Milliner (she makes hats)
Howl: Werewolf (or perhaps, the owner of a moving castle 👀)
Will: Estate planning attorney (he writes wills)
anyway, I think that's about it. thanks for coming with me on this adventure! I hope it was as much of a rollercoaster to read as it was to write, because yeah, it was a weird one over here.
I mean, it started out normal? but then the next thing I knew, I had gotten invested, made nine edits to the iCarly wiki, and designed that whole family tree. so I think maybe I went a little overboard with this one. xD
tune in next time, for…I dunno. I think my brain needs a break after that. but, eventually I would love to write more meta! just…maybe not all for iCarly? I have some things to say about Gravity Falls that I think are gonna blow your minds.
(not really; I just think it's great)
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humming-fly · 2 years
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a variety of meta knight incorrect quotes all at once since i was too lazy to make separate posts happy meta monday everyone 
(also was anyone gonna tell me meta knight goes to literal hell in one of the light novels or did i just have to find that out myself)
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incorrect-star-allies · 3 months
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Magolor: You bought a taco?
Marx: Yeah.
Magolor: From the truck that hit Meta Knight?
Marx: Well, me starving’s not gonna help him.
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cats-jade · 8 months
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MY fan theory about woody/paul is that all of his appearances are the same person just like quinton’s theory but instead of the time machine thing he’s just almost omnipresent in a way, like the schneiderverse will just constantly conjure him into places where his presence is needed and he just. lives like this
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bisexualshakespeare · 11 months
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Voiceteam Wrap up - Not fic
iCarly Opinions Rant - Meta - roped into a friend to read these mixed funny and sad icarly tumblr posts
Blaviken - Filk - Witcher jaskier fic after a fight with Geralt. SO much fun! I was just a background voice in this but I've been listening to it constantly I love it a lot.
I like the Voiceteam - Filk - very sweet round robin song about voiceteam and liking the fandom <3
Bend Luck- Filk - D20 filk based on a fic. One of the mods mentioned that technically you could use the same fic for every challenge if you could figure it out well enough and one of the challenges was Make a Filk so I rearranged the words and put it over the Unsleeping City theme music and it was sooo much fun! I love it
In The Middle (Shipper's Lament) - Filk - me just ranting about writer's being condescending to their fandoms but it's a song
Threes - Filk - not written by me, a stunning song telling the summary of Iron Widow to Leslie Fish's "Threes".
"edmund is trans he told me himself": Recognition in transgender Shakespeare fan fiction - scholarly article - me reading and reacting to an article from the Transformative Wroks and Cultures analyzing how fanfic has transed Shakespeare. Probably the longest thing I've ever done solo cause I had *thoughts* about it
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fusdbcom · 2 years
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„Reboot“-Rezension: Hulus Meta-Komödie macht sich über alte und neue Sitcoms lustig
„Reboot“-Rezension: Hulus Meta-Komödie macht sich über alte und neue Sitcoms lustig
In den letzten Jahren gab es einen Boom von Neustarts im Fernsehen: Volleres Haus, iCarly, Wie ich deinen Vater kennenlernte, Bel Air. Eben Frasier wird neu gestartet. Aber während wir Neustarts von Sitcoms gesehen haben, haben wir noch keine Sitcom über einen Neustart gesehen … bis jetzt. Geben Sie Hulus ein Neustarteine Komödie aus Moderne Familie Mitschöpfer Steven Levitan über das Team hinter…
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maxbegone · 2 years
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Josh Peck on iCarly? Meta.
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papa-poutine · 3 years
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i’m really glad for all the icarly nostalgia because it was easily my favourite show as a kid, and it remains one of my favourite comfort shows - i really enjoy the character dynamics and storyline and plots. 
but something i wanted to talk about was spencer’s character, because i’ve seen a lot of people talking about him recently, and i just wanted to add my two cents on what the character meant to me as a kid. 
spencer shay was the first character i saw as a recently-diagnosed autistic kid who was Like Me. he didn’t “get” social niceties in the way humans are expected to, and he was incredibly strange (the butter statue he set up in the kitchen for seemingly no reason? the scene where he climbs to the ceiling rafters to get a better view of a sculpture he’s working on?) and he was obsessed with one narrow topic (art, particularly sculpture). this was the first time i was seeing a character on tv who i could look at and go, yeah, i relate to him. 
he was also . . . loved. which is a sad observation that that’s the criteria of good autistic rep but he was loved. by carly, and carly’s friends, and the guy who worked at the smoothie place who always had things on a stick for sale, and by his own friends. he was shown to be a caring, loving, soft person, and when i was growing up, that was unheard of in autistic-coded characters. now, i don’t think spencer was intended to come off as autistic coded, but that doesn’t matter for the purposes of this meta. i grew up seeing characters like me be suspected murderers, cold geniuses, psychopaths, but there was always spencer, who was carly’s big brother who always supported her no matter what, and who helped her friends when they were in trouble, and had his own circle of friends. he was an independent autistic adult who didn’t live life in a “normal” way, but that was okay. because the people around him accepted him and loved him for who he was, and at the end of the day, isn’t that what we all want as autistic people? 
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golden-redhead · 3 years
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I didn’t expect to like this new iCarly as much as I did, but... here we are, I guess!
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secondbeatsongs · 9 months
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Spencer and Socko def had some kinda relationship I was sure of that from the very beginning. But your posts made me think that maybe he probably might've brought him around and introduced him to the gang properly had the episode where the grandpa nearly took Carly away not happened. Like as far as I can remember, none of the other characters met or knew Socko very well, and Spencer managed to meet with most of Socko's family members? Idk if I was going anywhere with this
I really love Socko as a character (as you can tell from the over 2500 words of meta I wrote about him and his family)
I would have loved an episode where they're actually dating and Spencer gets to introduce him to everyone as his boyfriend, but alas, it was not to be.
though, personally, my opinion is that Socko and Spencer have the sort of relationship where it's just never been the right time for them to date. they've known each other since at least high school, so I imagine it being a situation where they've both had crushes on each other, but at different times, and it just never really worked out.
like, Spencer worshiped Socko when they were in high school because Socko was The Weirdest Guy™, but Spencer was still set on going to law school because of what his dad wanted - but then Spencer ditched law school and became Pretty Weird™ himself, and Socko was like "oh no he's hot". but at that point Spencer was fully parenting Carly, and relationships were on the back burner for him, so nothing really happened about it.
like, I'm picturing a fun and deeply loving friendship where maybe they hooked up once or twice, but they were never in a relationship. and now that they've gotten to this point, both being adults with complicated lives and artistic careers, it almost feels strange to talk about trying it again.
(this is all headcanon of course, I have no sources or anything that would imply this. I just...think it'd be nice)
anyway thank you for coming to my ted talk, please somebody write more Socko/Spencer fic, I am dying of thirst in a desert of my own making
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Mosley isn’t the first to be harassed because people in a given fandom assumed she was replacing a white actress (Javicia Leslie’s Ryan Wilder on Batwoman) or because she was playing a racebent version of a “historically white” character (Anna Diop’s Starfire on Titans). And she won’t be the last, because fandom is not a space that protects Black women from misogynoir. Misogynoir, a form of anti-Black misogyny present in the ways that Black women and femmes are rewritten and dehumanized in order to excuse the way we are treated (no matter how much power we have), is alive and well in fandom spaces across the internet.
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mulberryyeet · 3 years
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I love that Millicent has Megan Parker energy but is still shown to be a kid!
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starsstillshine · 3 years
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the spaghetti tacos in 14x06. spspspspspsps cmere jackles let me psychoanalyze your jacking joices
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liffy-feelin-jiffy · 4 years
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Meta Knight: "Um...watcha got there?"
Kirby, holding Marx's hand: "A boyfriend"
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rubywolf0201 · 4 years
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Leo: You just can't stand the idea of Takumi and I as a couple.
Oboro: Very true. It makes me want to puke up blood.
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