#meta thrawn talk

[twilekchiss]

"My job - the sole reason for my existence - is to defend the Chiss Ascendancy and protect my people. I will do whatever is necessary to achieve that goal, and I will allow nothing and no one to stand in my way. Do you understand?"

- Thrawn to Qilori, Lesser Evil, Chapter 10

I think Thrawn takes the Odo Ceremony very seriously.

No, really. Like, of course he does. Of course he feels the weight of the knowledge of Starflash. Its implications, its history. Patriarch Thomoro and her sons.

But I think the Odo Ceremony is what really cements the above quote into his soul. I think he feels that if Patriarch Thomoro could sacrifice her four sons to protect the Chiss Ascendancy, and was given the Odo appellation for it, Thrawn himself could do no less.

He would sacrifice anything. His career. His friends. Family. His morals.

His soul.

Everything he has, he would give for the Ascendancy's safety. And he does. He gives his service to the Empire. He sells his soul to the Devil for the power to protect his people. He stands by and looks away as the Empire commits atrocities on scales he has never seen before because it gives him what he needs.

And he does it because he's the only one who can. He can take on those burdens, that weight of memories and regrets, because he's strong enough to bear it. Because he will do what is necessary, stain his own hands with unwashable blood, to keep his people safe.

#thrawn #grand admiral thrawn #mitth'raw'nuruodo #meta thrawn talk #thrawn ascendancy #.txt #my writings #ask me sometime about why this part of his character is so important to me #it actually has very deep spiritual significance for me #but unless specifically asked i won't get into it #the odo ceremony

[random-user753]

Thrawn and being ooc

Since name-dropping Heir To The Empire I fear that Thrawns portrayal will be very flat and ooc compared to almost all of Zahns books.

And it's definitely not a question about Legends/Canon characterization because the change to Thrawn as a very morally gray character started in the Legends:

In the original Thrawn-triology HTTE introduced Thrawn as rutheless war lord, but two books later (The Last Command) Thrawn shifts slighty towards well-meaning commander who inspires loyalty (a trait that became even more prominent in Thrawn (novel)) and started to teach other. The trend continued in the Hand Of Thrawn-Duology where Thrawns bigger motivations were revealed: He wanted to unite the Galaxy against a bigger threat from the unknown regions which is quiet a contrast to HTTE where he seemingly just wanted to reunite the Empire for its own sake.

Completed is this portrayal in Outbound Flight (basically the blueprint for Thrawn: Ascendancy) and it just got continued in the new canons books.

And here's the point why I think Disney made a pretty cheap move when they used just the HTTE characterization for SWR - because they could have known that the character had history far beyond the first triology. But I guess they just saw "oh, these books were bestsellers; just use them". Okay, valid point, they are the owner of the stuff after all.

But then why didn't they take precautions to keep the characterization concise? I mean they were in the position where they could have told Zahn he should write Thrawn more as a villain - for example the novel Tarkin had the same named a*hole as main character and he got not an ounce more sympathetic. Instead they greenlit another triology and now seemingly they double back down.

And that's just sloppy and makes me more than a bit salty - they lure me in with a complex character but decide to ignore everything as soon as they start a new series (also it's not only Thrawn - the Ahsoka novel and the Kanan-comics suffered from similiar problems, although in a lesser extent).

#thrawn #mitth'raw'nuruodo #grand admiral thrawn #thrawn meta #salty talks #at least they should address in the show that Thrawn has simply no morals #he has one goal in life (protecting the Ascendancy) and in order to achieve this he knows no boundaries #a loyalty so big that it consumes everything else #is pretty scary and very fascinating #Machiavellianism is the most fitting philosophy for Thrawn

[mimi-noelle]

Hemlock…my guy…my dude…Crosshair successfully sent a transmission. Instead of torturing him and getting nothing from him, why not TRACE THAT SHIT?!! It’s right there?!! Seriously, for a fancy, evil doctor, you certainly lack some common sense…

#incompetent villainy bugs me #thrawn didn’t have this problem #he literally found the rebel base by tracing a transmission #mr. hemlock here apparently doesn’t think like that #though I suppose it’s unfair to compare him to thrawn #thrawn is literally the most intelligent star wars villain I’ve seen #but this shouldn’t be that hard to figure out #idiot #hemlock #tbb hemlock #star wars #the bad batch #tbb spoilers #the bad batch spoilers #sw meta #tbb meta #tbb #royce hemlock #mimi talks

[tarisilmarwen]

Rebels Rewatch: "An Inside Man"

The beginning of my endless stressed paranoia about Thrawn, also obvious reveal is obvious.

I expect this recap to be pretty breezy, I've already liveblogged this episode once.

Hoo boy I cannot tell you the amount of tension there was before this episode. The TV adverts were packaging the footage from both this and "Visions And Voices" together in order to hype up the midseason closer, before the show went on break for the winter.

So you know, the hype was real.

Let's get into it.

[EDIT: Oh screw you, Tumblr, that was a whole forty minutes of work that you just ate, this is ridiculous.]

Right, so that's not subtle at all.

In addition to leaning heavily into the "Axis-occupied territory in WWII" aesthetic, the smog around Capital City is so much thicker, practically a new ozone layer, ammonia yellow in color. That is not sunset that is the city lights bouncing off the cloud of pollution wafting through their streets.

I haven't mentioned it before but Taylor Gray sometimes has this way of pronouncing the word "my" that gives Ezra just a little bit more of a "folksy" drawl, fitting for an Outer Rim farming planet. I do love how you can kind of "geolocate" where different characters come from by how they talk. High British or Imperial British accent? Core World. Southern American drawl? Outer Rim.

Now imagine Pryce with an accent like Ezra's and remember that every time she speaks she's totally faking her Core World accent. XD

Looks a bit like downtown LA, frankly. Minus the skyscrapers.

Yeah no, still love this shot Ezra pulls off while balancing precariously on the speeder engine. Such skill. Much badass.

The Kanan-Ezra tag team against the walker is great too.

Oh! Just noticed the non-fanfare titlecard has a bit of the dark male chorus from Thrawn's theme. Nice.

Something nice to note, the show does multiple chase sequences on this highway and none of them feel identical to each other. They're all uniquely staged.

I rewatched a couple times and the second speeder was actually taken out by debris from the first, bouncing forward and ricocheting off something.

Fitting right in with the WWII theme, internal saboteurs at the Imperial factories is very French Resistance. I honestly didn't expect to see the Sumars again so this was a pleasant surprise. Also a bit sad now, considering what happens.

*whispers* They paralleled Mr. Sumar's first conversation with Ezra.

This attack on Lothal's factories has been in the planning for a while now, since Season Two at least I think. Even though we were driven off Lothal, it's never been far from mind, and we've been constantly trying to get back there to liberate it. To Phoenix Cell and the Alliance it's a matter of strategy, of crippling or slowing down the Empire's war machine, but for the Spectres, for Ezra, it's personal, and it's been their focus from the very beginning. (Mostly. Ezra does get sidetracked with his obsession of personally destroying the Sith. More to meta ramble about that later when we get to "Twin Suns".)

Ha ha I remember when we all thought that the "new type of weapon" being referenced here was the Death Star. And personally, as I've said before, I still think Lothal was heavily involved in the Death Star's construction, that process was spread out across multiple Outer Rim worlds, resources and materials gathered from all over the place to keep it secret.

But once they introduced Thrawn they kind of had to give him a personal connection to Lothal, too. His rivalry with Hera wouldn't have cut it, that can play out anywhere, in any theater. (Hera's own stake in Lothal is also tenuous, generic, halfway between Ezra's personal drive and the Alliance's practical strategic considerations.) His being there at Pryce's bequest to help quell the Rebellion there offers no personal incentive outside of serving the Empire. But putting him in charge of the TIE Defender's development is perfect, in-character and easy to fit into what had already been established about Lothal, that it was a primary location where new TIEs were being produced.

Recall that Thrawn is not opposed to the Empire's tyrannical authoritarianism but he does think it's often ineffective. Advocating for the development of superior starfighters is right up his alley. If Thrawn had had his way or Palpatine had listened to him more, the resources, materials, and labor pooled into the showy but money-guzzling Death Star would have gone instead to bolstering the Empire's naval superiority, into better faster starfighters, more Inderdictors, and more capital ships like the Super Star Destroyers. Things to counteract the Alliance's flashbang hit and run tactics.

And the Rebellion probably would have lost.

So yeah, giving Thrawn a pet project specialized TIE fighter to be developed and constructed on Lothal was the perfect narrative decision.

...I went way off into the weeds there didn't l? Lol. Where was I?

Right, infiltrating the factory.

Love when Mr. Sumar asks Ezra if has any manufacturing experience and when he admits no, Ryder laughs and says he'll fit right in. Commie-style forced labor gang-pressing yaaaaaay!

Once again, the imagery is very deliberate and not at all subtle.

Ezra grew up on Lothal and he doesn't know who Pryce is on sight. This bitch been shirking her planetary governing duties for literal years, busy trying to be "hip and in with the cool kids" as it were, the perfect Imperial suck-up and sycophant.

A large part of Thrawn's effectiveness as a villain in Rebels is that you never quite know just how much he knows at any given time. Was his coming to the factories to inspect them just an unlucky coincidence or did he know Kanan and Ezra were going to be there? Is he just Dangerously Genre Savvy? How does he keep turning up in places right when the Rebels have made their move? It stressed me the crap out when I was originally watching, gave me hella Paranoia Fuel, and made his presence in every scene just that much more uncomfortable.

Like right here, with this scene where they linger just long enough on Thrawn observing the disguised Ezra to make you nervous, and the feeling lingers even though he steps away, because you almost think he picks Sumar out of the line-up because Ezra's there, targeting him for execution (basically) in order to flush Ezra out.

Also, btw, love the menacing cellos that accompany Thrawn's footsteps into frame.

The absolute slow dread and dramatic irony of this whole scene. D: It just builds and builds and then explodes (literally and figuratively), Thrawn's theme coming in full strength to emphasize the horror of the moment.

See, Thrawn's not above Make An Example Of Them when he thinks it's effective. (See also having Rukh behead that one officer in Legends canon.)

Lyste, you really should start questioning when Imperial astromech droids act crazy randomly around you lol.

It's a smidge distractingly fortuitous that there's always a convenient Scout Trooper around for Ezra to steal the armor off of.

This scene between Pryce, Kallus, and Thrawn is like some kind soothing British ASMR, everyone's voices are just so calm and smooth.

Ooof, Thrawn's rare displays of emotion are always a big deal, I flinched just from this tiny flash of anger.

Something else effective about Thrawn's presence is just how much more competent other Imperials start acting when he's around. Not officers like Lyste or Konstantine but the low-level grunts always seem more keen to cop on to things, just a bit smarter and more ruthless, when Thrawn's in an episode, like he brings them up to more rigorous standards of performance just by being there.

Probably why Pryce immediately falls apart and makes stupid impulsive decisions as soon as he's more than thirty feet away from her lol.

So there's Sabine's wall graffiti, already pulled off the building, I think that painting is from TCW, there's Ezra cadet picture, the mosaic from the Syndulla house, and a bunch of ancient Loth-cave scribblings.

I suspect Thrawn grabbed the retaining wall for the starbird (incidentally getting the Loth-cat drawing he'd later use to identify Sabine's work on Ezra's helmet in "Through Imperial Eyes"), and the cave paintings, obviously, because ancient Lothal culture.

Once again, Thrawn's deductions are razor sharp, but not OP. He's noticed the Phoenix cell has a particular attachment to Lothal, thus they will inevitably try to return to it.

Slowed down and replayed Kallus revealing himself a couple times just to look at this fight, Kanan starts by elbowing Kallus straight in the collar. Kallus reflexively throws a punch which gets pushed aside by Ezra. Kallus almost kitten bats the two of them before Kanan pins him to the wall.

Still LOVE how utterly flabbergasted Kanan and Ezra are at the reveal and how much grief they continue to give him after it lol.

Subtle animation appreciation moment: Kallus gives his very slight double-take at Kanan when Kanan pulls off his helmet, like he's surprised to see the scarring across his eyes.

Living for how much Ezra just casually bullies Kallus here. <3

"Or perhaps... an expected one." Lol nope, I can safely assure you, Thrawn, they did NOT expect Kallus to be Fulcrum.

Case in point about Thrawn's mere presence making everyone else more competent, the AT-AT pilots immediately question the AT-DP's presence.

This was really clever, having Ezra drive the chicken walker behind the AT-AT and use it for cover. I may have mentioned but it bears repeating.

MONEY SHOT.

Back when the show was airing and people were speculating about eventual defeats for Thrawn I think I was one of the very small number of people rooting for Marida Sumar to get to shoot him in the face.

Still want that AU.

TIE Defenders be no joke, people. They are fast, agile, shielded, and they have hyperdrives. They would have shredded the best the Alliance had.

Still love Zeb's chagrined grimace in the background there.

Ngl, once again, the ambiguity of "Just how much does Thrawn know?" is scarily effective. Thrawn's addressing Kallus seems deliberately calculated, like he's making some kind of subtle threat.

And whew!

After the shaky quality of the last episode this return to form is quite a relief. The tension is tightly wound and palpable throughout, and there's a genuine sense of danger. Thrawn is placidly competent. We suffer an actual loss. Everything is pretty much excellent this episode, even without the benefit of seeing Kallus's turn we believe it.

Love rewatching this one. <3

#star wars #star wars rebels #ezra bridger #agent kallus #grand admiral thrawn #rebels rewatch #liveblog

[trashquisitor-shirozora]

Another anon here, once again thanking you for your service validating the confused masses for whom s3 is not clicking for. In response to another anon response, and the fact that faloni recently said that "you don't need to watch clone wars to watch ahsoka" do you think he's trying to get a bunch of new people to go in blind so they don't know how nuanced these characters used to be?

Bo for me is the main thing. Like, this Faloni wrote a terrorist, and then gave her backstory, understandable if deeply flawed motivation, and a skewed worldview to the point where a few seasons after she's introduced as a part of Death Watch, we are rooting for her and Obi Wan as they work together even though we know she's done terrible things, because more importantly she knows she's done terrible things. There's no redemption for her mainly because it never felt like Bo was looking for it.

I just feel like the Disney execs running all this have never seen Clone Wars and are now just brushing it off as a kids show for kids and not realizing that the character they are trying to elevating to main character perfection is a war criminal.

Also, good luck on your writing!!! I shall have to check out your AO3 now!

Hello there, another anon! I appreciate your kind words and I do hope you've also found your way to other people's many thoughts on various aspects of the way Season 3 is simply not working for them. It fascinates me how we all have been taking different things from this season compared to the previous two (and personally I find it helpful as a writer writing stories).

Forgive me for not having the cool vocabulary or know-how to use that vocabulary to talk about these things. These are just my opinions as a layperson who spent a long time in fandoms and thinks too much too critically. I didn't see a single episode of TCW until last year when I was doing research on Mandalore and Sundari. I never saw Rebels. My knowledge of these two shows came primarily from Wookieepedia, friends and fellow fans, and the mobile game Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes. Personally, I think Filoni & Co. are trusting the long-time Star Wars fans and the newer fans won over by The Mandalorian to keep them sailing onward toward the Thrawn crossover movie on the horizon but I feel that once the novelty wears off, the General Audience will have a harder time keeping up because they didn't watch TCW or Rebels or know anything about either the original Thrawn Trilogy or the new Thrawn novels. I know I'm going to have a tougher time because I don't know these characters that well and need to be convinced to care. I do think Filoni is going to have to brush aside or flatten/simplify character traits and histories just to engage viewers who are coming into this for the first time. He and Favreau were smart to introduce Ahsoka and her future path in the D+ verse with a Mandalorian episode, though who knows what actual damage that did to The Mandalorian (a lot), so that people become familiar with her and what she wants. Now they have to convince people they want to know where Ahsoka is going and who these other people are, and why it matters that Thrawn is back.

I have read so many meta and critical posts these past few weeks breaking down this whitewashing and rehabilitation of Bo-Katan. She has such a dark and complicated history and I love that for her! I loved her appearances in Season 2 because it felt like a continuation of what I read about her in the Wookieepedia and in posts and commentaries all around the Internet. She's a Messy Bitch and a foil and an antagonizing force, and that's what I expected going into Season 3. Seeing her mope around on the throne, having given up because her fleet dumped her ass for failing to get back the Darksaber, was really jarring and I couldn't understand what Filoni and Favreau were planning to do with her. WELP. NOW WE KNOW. They needed her to be at her lowest so that she can see a sleeping water dragon and hit the reset button, I guess.

I think the decision to erase a huge part of her past has less to do with making it a kids show for kids (because TCW showed what she did and the consequences of her involvement) and more to do with Disney trying to recoup the twin costs of buying Star Wars and launching a streaming service that lost them, what, a billion bucks? They need to sell her as a heroic figure now, a princess and a girlboss because girls and women can't relate to male characters I guess?????, but she has to be safe and palatable to market to the masses so we lose her Death Watch past and we lose the death of her sister. We lose count of how many times she already lost the Darksaber. We lose her messy past, her ambition and drive, and we forgive her for her crimes because she... saved Din's life when he sank in the waters like a rock?

This version of Bo-Katan just does not work for me and the idea that we're now following her redemption arc when this was not what I was sold just... it makes me angry when I don't have enough sleep and really, really sad when I have enough sleep. Bo-Katan could've been a wonderful tragic figure, the cautionary tale the Armorer warned Din about in another lifetime, but now I just look at this season and the direction of the D+ shows as a tragedy itself.

Thanks for stopping by, another anon, and I hope my fics are to your liking!

#shirozora awkwardly responds to asks #the mandalorian #the mandalorian critical #mando critical #the mandalorian season 3 #mando spoilers #i really wish i could enjoy this show like so many other people are but that's just not in my cards

[waterloggedsoliloquy]

What precious little thrawn meta i can find on tumblr, wading through the innumerable x f!reader fics all of whom are written by women who don't seem to be aware that they are tumblr search result terrorists, tends to be theorycrafting about what might happen next in his story (or the occasional apologia which mostly boils down to "if thrawn had gotten his way everything would have worked out" lol. lmao.) which isnt boring or reductive really but i feel like theres just not a lot of people out there talking abt what thrawn represents and what hes a reflection of

#cecil drawls

[milfglupshitto]

Writing Masterpost

Canon-Compliant Original Fiction

albatross: my longest fiction piece to date (6-7k words). link is the info post with all chapters, description can be found there.

bonus: visual profiles and notes for the original and not-quite original characters introduced in albatross

Canon-Divergent Original Fiction

burn it: not as long as albatross but still lengthy! same deal, link is the info post with all chapters and the description can be found there.

Canon-Adjacent Short Writing

the snare: technically can be read as speculative for Thrawn (2017) but accessible to those who haven’t read the book or have no familiarly with Star Wars at all

still on patrol: about a Star Wars vessel but you could probably read this without knowing any context beyond ghost ship cool.

Rebels Sequel Content

rebels sequel script: it’s in the dropbox link. ask me about the free program I used!

rebels sequel skeleton notes: more later-season plotlines and more discussion of themes

rebels sequel rogues gallery: breakdown of the thematic importance of various villains I would include given full creative control and permission from original creators + ability to adequately compensate them

more on bakokin tell: an original villain warrants more explanation

In Which I Describe the Content of a Thrawn-Adjacent Book Austistically

gender systems in Zahn’s books: long-ish brief look at fandom behaviors in relation to original text

deuteragonist meta: she’s even color-coded. I got diagnosed like a year later btw

outbound flight and survivor’s quest: I read some books in apparently the wrong order and made some themes about it

In Which I Describe the Content of a Thrawn-Adjacent Book Comedically

hand of thrawn duology: what it says on the tin

more of that but blended canon and EU this time: can you guess which books and characters I’m talking about? find out by clicking on the link!

alliances: hey it’s darth vader this time! everybody look at darth vader

alliances again: I think this one was actually the first like chronologically

Stand-Alone Content

thrawn gender rambling: approaches incoherence with astonishing speed. still, important to me

thrawn terrible childhood rambling: I’ll never pass up a chance to make him thematically better and emotionally worse

x files comparison: have you ever wondered what would happen if fox mulder had net zero swag? wonder no longer.

eli no bitches??? rambling: I think he genuinely has never had any friends. click the link to see me make my case

chess and checkers: more eli. checkers is very swagful to me

semiextragalactic force sensitivity rambling: brief speculation on support systems for parents of force sensitive children in communities detached from the Jedi Order

bonus: theoretical clone wars episode based on similar concept

hey so what’s the deal with the grafs actually: I read the whole adventures in wild space series and I’m still very skeptical of the whole everything

hey more wild space stuff: I see Lysatra and I put my looking eyes on

thoughts on modern vs classic star wars evil: on the heels of kenobishow, I had some thoughts

an interesting line construction in the Ronin novel, catalogued: also what it says on the tin

review of Shadow of the Sith: in short, there was a good bit I didn’t like

my Lesser Evil theory: so I was wrong. what about it?

the force as an overwriting pen: two small blurbs about being toyed with by something inconceivably more than you

luminous beings: a series of blurbs about non-force-sensitive acquiring force sensitivity

similarities between the Chiss and the Romans: I’ve been studying Latin for six years and I have problems about it

Hey, This Isn’t Star Wars

monsters vs aliens is a transgender allegory: you know I’m right.

you know surf’s up? the penguin movie? trans. gender. allegory: YOU KNOW I’M RIGHT. also, I know it’s not really writing. sue me

#my writing #long post #finally pulled it all together! #I didn’t think I wrote so much thrawntent so compiling this was like getting kicked in the teeth over and over. #sad!

[elivanto]

rebels thrawn bombing lothal’s civilians is in character with timothy zahn’s new canon thrawn.

in the ascendancy AND empire eras! AND I COME BEARING RECEIPTS. i’ve been wanting to write this post for a while and decided to keep it brief because there’s SO MUCH to say about his characterization—i did agree that “new canon” thrawn is somewhat of a different character than legends or rebels thrawn, but i’ve adjusted my opinion in the past couple months. for me, it’s the same character but in very different circumstances. to support my ~hypothesis~ i extracted a few quotes (my favorite hobby, as you probably know) from chaos rising and thrawn that i thought applied most to this specific situation.

before we start, thank you so much @asteroids-and-tractorbeams @charliestokers @archistratego @velvetsunset for enabling me/saying you’d like to see a post like this! 💙

it’s funny that so many people cite chaos rising as their source for claiming that ascendancy!thrawn would NEVER do such a thing as the Lothal Incident because there’s a lot of evidence to the contrary, imho. i say that he might, given particular circumstances.

i separated the novel excerpts into different sections, starting with

1. he doesn’t have any qualms about murdering killing people if he deems it necessary.

a conversation between him and thalias in chaos rising, as they face a group of possibly hostile aliens:

“That question was better coming from you than from me,” he said. “Their consideration for females may modify their answer and influence their decision in our favor.”      “And if it doesn’t?”      “Then the charrics,” Thrawn said, his voice calm but determined. “You’ll deal with those in front of us. I’ll do likewise with the ones behind.”      Thalias’s mouth went suddenly dry. “You mean just shoot them down?”      “We are two,” Thrawn said. “They are four, plus however many are currently unseen and unnumbered behind us. If they decide to take us prisoner, our only chance will be immediate and lethal attack.”      A cold chill ran up Thalias’s back. Getting pulled into a firefight, shooting and being shot at, had been a terrifying prospect. But at least she could have gone into a heated battle with a mostly clear conscience.      What Thrawn was talking about was straight-up, coldhearted murder. (chaos rising, chapter 6)

after he captures yiv, again from thalias’s point of view:

“I never intended to destroy his ship,” Thrawn said. Reaching down, he took hold of one of Yiv’s arms and levered the unconscious Nikardun up off the deck. “All I need to do is destroy him.”     “What about them?” Thalias persisted, pointing to the Nikardun crew members twitching or muttering on the deck. “Once you pull the freighter out of the viewport, won’t they all die?”     Thrawn’s face hardened. “As Yiv has already said,” he reminded her quietly. “No witnesses.” (chaos rising chapter 22)

at the beginning of thrawn, when he murders troopers and pilots to infiltrate the star destroyer strikefast:

“I did not want the spacecraft,” Thrawn said. “I wanted the pilot’s…” Again a pause. “Ezenti ophu ocengi.”     “Equipment and comlink,” Eli said.     [...]     “Ingenious,” Parck said. “And we thought we knew what had happened, so we never bothered to check the serial number. So when we discovered the first comlink was missing and locked it out of the circuit, you still had one that functioned.”     “So you killed a man just to get his comlink,” Barris said harshly. Clearly, he wasn’t as impressed by the alien’s resourcefulness as the captain. (thrawn chapter 2)

... i think you get the idea.

2. chiss are superior to non-chiss, and people of other species (such as humans) are assets.

i’m certain that he sees the civilians of lothal as assets, and his bombarding of their city as a means to an end. he likes effectiveness and results, doesn’t he? well, shooting at civilians was the most effective way to get ezra onto the chimaera, wasn’t it?

first of all, this amazing exchange between him and ar’alani puts it into words better than i could:

Thrawn moved close to Ar’alani’s side. “Is there a problem?” he asked quietly.     “A problem?” She shook her head. “No. It’s just…I’ve never seen aliens as people before. Not like Chiss are people. [...]” She eyed him. “I suppose you’ve always seen them for what they are?”     “You mean as people?” Thrawn shook his head. “Not really. I see the people, certainly. But their personhood is seldom at the top of my thoughts.”     “Then how do you see them?”     His eyes swept the crowd, and Ar’alani thought she could see a hint of both thoughtfulness and sadness in his face. “As possible allies. Possible enemies. Assets.” (chaos rising memories xii)

one example of his view of chiss superiority:

“I don’t know,” Qilori said helplessly. What was he supposed to say? “I suppose it depends on whether he can afford to lose the ships.”     “You offer the wrong question,” Thrawn said. “Of course he can afford to lose the ships. The true question is whether he can allow the Vaks to see him bow to Chiss will and cower before Chiss might.” (chaos rising chapter 21)

yes, i do agree that he acts very differently around aliens than many other chiss do. the xenophobia is very real in their culture. but his people are (understandably) still his number one priority.

3. he’s convinced that in certain situations, extreme actions (well, extreme in other people’s eyes, maybe not his own) are very much justified.

mitth’ “let’s destroy these people because i know they’re evil what do you need hard evidence for” ‘nuruodo:

Fortunately for Thrawn, Ba’kif had an above-average patience level. “Do I need to detail for you the protocols on preemptive strikes?” he asked, his voice calm.     “No, sir,” Thrawn said. At least, Ziara thought, he got in a sir this time. “I simply don’t see how it applies in this case. [...] It seems indisputable that the pirates are, in fact, under direct Lioaoin control and supervision.”     “Of course it’s disputable,” Ba’kif said. “The regime has categorically disputed it.”     “They’re lying.”     “Perhaps,” Ba’kif said. “But we have only what we have: circumstantial evidence and an official denial.”     “So we allow them to go on their way unscathed?” Thrawn persisted.     “What would you have us do?” Ba’kif asked. “Launch a full-scale war fleet to descend upon the heartworld and destroy every governmental and military installation we can find?”     Thrawn’s lips compressed briefly. “It would hardly take an entire fleet,” he hedged. (chaos rising memories vii)

when he’s betrayed by the garwians:

Thrawn held his gaze another moment. Then, deliberately, he turned to Ar’alani. “Commodore, request permission to order the Destrama to open fire on the Garwian defense platforms.”     An uncomfortable stir ran through the aliens. “A tempting suggestion, Commander,” Ar’alani said. “But I’m afraid the protocols forbid such an action. Fully justified though it would be.” (chaos rising memories xii) 

(sounds a bit familiar, doesn’t it? 🌚)

and his, uh, interesting conversation with nightswan in one of the last chapters of thrawn:

“And your study convinced you that it was better to hope the Empire would someday be your ally than to bring it down?” Nightswan shakes his head. His expression holds disappointment. “I’m afraid that uniform has blinded you to reality.”     “Not at all,” Thrawn said. “Certainly the Empire is corrupt. No government totally escapes that plague. Certainly it is tyrannical. But quick and utter ruthlessness is necessary when the galaxy is continually threatened by chaos.”     “And what happens when the ruthlessness breeds more chaos?” Nightswan asked. [...] “For that is what happens. Repression and revolt feed and devour each other.”     “Then the revolt must die,” Thrawn said. “The danger is too great. The stakes are too high. If the Empire falls, what can replace it?” (thrawn chapter 27)

thing is, when he’s away from the ascendancy and holding the highest rank in the imperial navy, he can do pretty much whatever he wants. there’s no ascendancy protocols prohibiting him from carrying out preemptive strikes. the empire does have certain protocols (see all those court martials in thrawn lmao) but as long as there isn’t, like, vader next to him on the bridge, who can tell him no when he sets his mind on something?

he’s a goddamn grand admiral! he certainly listens to his subordinates’ suggestions, but in the end he does whatever he thinks is necessary. for, you know, the greater good and all (see what i did there? ha ha). and, like, the emperor definitely doesn’t mind civilian casualties when his underlings are dealing with insurgents (see arihnda’s, uh, ‘mishap’ on batonn and how pleased palps was about it).

i’d also like to include the emperor’s request regarding ezra in treason here, just because it’s directly related to the Lothal Incident:

“We will speak of this another time,” [the Emperor] told Thrawn. “I’m sending you instructions on a chamber I wish for you to construct aboard the Chimaera. After you reach Lothal, and put down the rebel activity, you will bring Ezra Bridger to that chamber.” He smiled. “I’m sure you’ll find a way to persuade him to join you.”

and find a way, he did.

4. it seems to be a chiss trait to draw satisfaction from seeing their enemies destroyed or defeated.

this might go too much in the direction of general characterization, but i needed to include it to, well, make a point i guess.

“Mid Captain Ziara, this is Junior Commander Thrawn,” Thrawn called toward the comm. “I believe your targets await you.”      “Indeed they do, Commander,” a soft female voice came back. “I suggest you continue on your present course. It should give you the best view of their destruction.” (chaos rising memories vi)

there’s a few other text passages just like this throughout zahn’s novels in regards to chiss reacting to their enemies.

in conclusion/tldr; imo, thrawn isn’t as good a person as many who read the canon trilogy/ascendancy novels make him out to be. he’s very sympathetic at times, yes, but i don’t think that seeing him be cute with kids (al’iastov and che’ri) or awkward around someone he admires (ar’alani) or ending up befriending an alien of all people (eli) doesn’t make him any less dangerous, or calculating, or likely to take drastic actions against whomever he sees as his enemy. taking the excerpts i chose into account (as well as other passages in the canon novels that focus on his characterization), i’m pretty much convinced that bombarding lothal’s civilians to make ezra surrender is very much in character for all ‘versions’ of thrawn.

#you know what. now that i wrote this i understand thurfian A LOT better #sjdgsfg #phewww #this post is basically inviting the Discourse but i tried to throw a lot of 'seems' and 'in my opinion' and 'i agree' in there #so it doesn't sound like i'm stating a fact lmao it's just what i believe #anyway please talk to me about it! i'd love to read other people's views #and if you know other good quotes from maybe alliances or treason that support this hypothesis pls hmu #thrawn #star wars rebels #thrawn ascendancy #thrawn trilogy #sw lit #my sw meta

[not-the-tie-youre-looking-for]

Something that's been bugging me for years since the Legends finale. If Zhan had been the writer for Rebels, do you think he would have had Thrawn bomb Lothal to bring Ezra out? On the one hand, from Legends Thrawn's portrayal I imagine he would without a second of hesitation. On the other, Canon Thrawn has been much more... restrained? And on a third point, there's the fact that Legends and Canon Thrawn seem like they really could be the same person just at different points of time. cnt in next

...I'm just curious if anyone else was curious if Zhan agreed with that direction taken. Which, on that note, did Zhan ever say anything about his thoughts on how Rebels handled Thrawn? Both from a writing standpoint as well as an acting and musical one (Thrawn's various leitmotifs)?

Oh man. Ohhhhhhhh maaaaan. My friend, you have asked exactly the right person this question, because not only have I wanted to talk about this multiple times before, but I also have ~receipts~. 👀

⚠️Spoiler warnings for Star Wars: Rebels, The Mandalorian, the canon Star Wars novels Thrawn, Thrawn: Alliances, Thrawn: Treason, Thrawn Ascendency: Chaos Rising, and Thrawn Ascendency: Greater Good, and the legends Star Wars novels Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, The Last Command, and Outbound Flight.⚠️

Oh man. Where to begin.

Lets start with who Thrawn is, because depending on who you ask, you're gonna get different answers—whether you're strictly a Legends fan, Dave Filoni, a guy who's only seen Thrawn in Star Wars: Rebels, Timothy Zahn, or just a writer/artist fan like me.

To Timothy Zahn, the man behind our favorite chiss, Thrawn is a character that is constant in both attitude and personality throughout all of his content. In multiple interviews, ranging from Thrawn's debut in Rebels to the latest about the writing of the Ascendancy Trilogy, Zahn states that Thrawn in canon and Thrawn in Legends are indistinguishable.

And so I present the receipts:

In a 2017 interview with The Verge on writing the first canon Thrawn book Thrawn, Zahn is asked the following question and responds as such:

How do you navigate bringing back a character who already has an extensive backstory and audience expectations, with telling a new story that fits in the new continuity?

Actually, I didn’t find that to be a problem. I’d never written Thrawn in this part of the Star Wars timeline, so it was simply a matter of bringing him into the Empire and chronicling his rise through the ranks. It’s still the same character as in the 1990s books, just a decade or two younger and in a very different military and political environment.

In another interview with The Verge in 2018 (a few months after the finale of Rebels aired) about writing Thrawn: Alliances, he repeats this sentiment twice:

Thrawn feels like if it had been written before the canonization purge a couple of years ago, or if you squinted a bit, it would serve as a perfect setup for Heir to the Empire.

Oh, I don’t think you need to squint at all. I wrote him in these two books to fit in with everything else I’d done. So if someone at Lucasfilm snapped their fingers, and suddenly all of my other books were canon, and there would be no real retrofitting that would have to go in. It would all fit together.

Thrawn: Alliances feels more at home in the new canon, especially because Thrawn has been fleshed out a bit more in Rebels. Was there any adjustments for that?

Not really. I’m getting to play with more canon characters like Vader and Padmé and Anakin, but the character himself, I still see him as the same person. He’s got goals, and he won’t necessarily share them with you, but he as long as you’re going the same direction, he’s happy to cooperate and assist along the way.

...and this is referenced again in a 2020 interview with Polygon about writing Thrawn Ascendancy: Chaos Rising:

Along with Thrawn’s appearance in Rebels, Zahn would pen a new novel, Thrawn, that chronicled the character’s early days as an Imperial officer. Zahn didn’t have to change anything with the character, telling me in 2017 that “he’s like an old friend who I understand completely.” While Heir to the Empire was no longer canon, a reader could easily read Thrawn as a precursor to that classic novel. Thrawn went on to become a major presence in Rebels, and Zahn continued to explore his origins in Thrawn: Alliances and Thrawn: Treason.

The next day, an interview with IGN was published on the same subject:

Thrawn is an especially unique case because Zahn has been able to effectively continue the work he started way back in 1991 with Heir to the Empire. That novel may not be a part of official Star Wars lore any longer, but as Zahn explained, Thrawn himself is basically the same character regardless of continuity.

[....] The closest comparison between Chaos Rising and Zahn's earlier EU work is probably 2006's Outbound Flight, which is set during the Clone Wars and details the first encounter between Thrawn and the Galactic Republic (while also retroactively laying the groundwork for elements of Heir to the Empire). That novel is no longer canon, but Zahn told us he prefers to operate as if it were. He's making a concerted effort not to retread the same ground as Outbound Flight and to avoid contradicting the events of that novel as much as possible.

So yeah. In Zahn's opinion, Legends Thrawn is Canon Thrawn is Book Thrawn, and there is no difference whatsoever between Thrawns in, say, Outbound Flight, Heir to The Empire, Alliances, and Chaos Rising. I wholeheartedly disagree, but lets move on.

Now that the books are out of the way, its time for Rebels.

In July of 2016, after the trailer announcing Thrawn's canon debut aired, Dave Filoni had the following to say about Thrawn's character in regards to Timothy Zahn:

“I was pretty adamant with a couple of people saying, ‘Listen, we need to have Tim sign off on this. This is kind of a waste of time [otherwise],'” says Filoni. “We, of course, can do what we want with a character that Lucasfilm owns, but without Tim’s okay, what does it mean? That’s not going to be good. Once we had some stuff, we wanted to do what we thought was right and make the character. Then we brought him in. We had the production fully prepared. I said, ‘Look, if there’s something that Tim says that I think is really valuable, even if it changes something dynamically, we need to be ready for that and see what we can do.’ I wanted to make sure we did this right by everybody. We brought him in and we didn’t really tell him why. We just flew him up to Lucasfilm and sat him down in a theater and said, ‘Hey, we’re bringing Thrawn into the show.’ He was like, ‘Wow.’ and I said, ‘Yeah, wow. And I’m going to show him to you right now and you let me know what you think.'”

(Before we continue, keep that first highlighted sentence in mind for future reference. I'm going to come back to that later.)

Fortunately, Timothy Zahn was delighted at the show’s approach to the Empire’s imposing blue-skinned Chiss.

“We showed him some of the scenes with him,” Dave Filoni recalls. “He looked like a kid in a candy store. I think it meant a lot to him not just because it was his character, but because you have to imagine what he went through when it was announced that everything is Legends now, not Expanded Universe. I get that and I’ve always appreciated the work that goes into the Expanded Universe… For Tim, I think it was us saying, ‘No, no, no. We really like your character. We want him to be part of the real thing. The canon universe.'”

So in 2016, before we even saw Thrawn in action beyond a trailer, we were told that Zahn gave the OK, and he was chill with the way Thrawn was created in the show. In 2017, he gave a little more of the background of this process in an interview with FANgirl Blog:

The events of Thrawn dovetail closely with Rebels and shed light on some of Thrawn’s more seemingly surprising actions on the show, like when he appears to lose his temper and yell at Lieutenant Lyste. What was it like to see Thrawn come alive onscreen? Is he how you’ve pictured him in your head?

I don’t see my characters in terms of voice or appearance, but rather as personality or attitude. That said, I very much enjoyed the way the Rebels team brought him to life, in his appearance, voice, and actions.

I also appreciated the freedom I had to tweak certain incidents, such as the one you mentioned, and give additional or alternate explanations for the viewers who may have thought those were somewhat out of character for him.

He doesn't really elaborate on this, but we can assume he had SOME creative input on Thrawn's character, and he was overall pretty happy with the choices made in the show.

But then, we have this from that earlier 2017 the Verge article:

When did you learn that Dave Filoni was intending to bring Thrawn to Rebels, and did you have any input into how the character would be handled?

[...] I didn’t have any real input into how Thrawn was going to be handled, mainly because the lead time of an animated series is so long that much of season 3 had already been finished. But I trusted Dave and the team to do the character right. After all, why bring him into Rebels if you were going to drastically change him? Having seen the entire season now, I think we can agree that my trust was completely justified.

So... he didn't have "any real input," but was satisfied with it in the end? I guess? I don't know. We're getting into some contradictions now.

The last thing I've got in regards to Rebels is an interview Zahn did with the YouTube channel Star Wars Explained after the finale aired, where he responds to the following:

“So, maybe let's jump over to Rebels for a little bit. Now that it has wrapped up, how do you feel Thrawn was represented in Star Wars: Rebels?”

“They did a really good job—they not only understood the character and how to write for him, but they also understood the meta around how you defeat him. The only way to defeat Thrawn is to throw something at him he can't control, or can't anticipate. Given perfect knowledge and control, Thrawn will always find a way to win. But they understood, this is how you defeat him, these are the things we can use against him... so his portrayal in general, is very good; he's smart, he's anticipating, he's a step ahead of everybody, he's looking at clues and picking up on them, so I was very pleased with how the Rebels team handled the character."

I think these quotes answer many of your questions, so to answer your initial question: If Zhan had been the writer for Rebels, do I think he would have had Thrawn bomb Lothal to bring Ezra out?

Yes—but ONLY because at that point, the only established™️ Thrawn content was found in Legends, where Thrawn was a ruthless and calculating warlord.

However!

I do believe that if given the chance to re-write the Star Wars: Rebels finale using his now-canon novels as a solid background TODAY, Zahn would choose to not let Thrawn bombard Lothal's Capital City.

I believe this because he made one single very interesting creative choice when writing Thrawn that completely overwrote Thrawn's pre-established Rebels character: Thrawn was not responsible for the civilian deaths on Batonn—Pryce was.

And that's that on that.

A few months ago I would have ended it there, but today, Thrawn's story is no longer just contained in the novels and Rebels, but also in that of The Mandalorian.

This is where I will proudly say I have no idea what the fuck is going on. Before The Jedi aired, I was 100% sure that the next time we saw Thrawn, it would be nowhere NEAR the Empire, because Zahn was pretty adamant in the novels that Thrawn was only in the Empire to help. His. People.

So now he's apparently doing fuck-knows-what in fuck-knows-where and is STILL associated with the Seventh Fleet and Imperial Warlords???

Huh??? Despite the fact that he held no true loyalty to the Empire or to the Emperor??? It's been months and I'm still confused as fuck. Add to the fact that Zahn also doesn't know what the fuck is going on to the equation and we get a big fat question mark with one pretty clear answer that Filoni said himself that we have to keep in mind:

"We, of course, can do what we want with a character that Lucasfilm owns."

So I don't think Zahn has much control over Thrawn as we would all like to think. We can hope he gives us the crazy Thrawn and Ezra Space Adventure™️ novel all we want, but ultimately, Thrawn's fate does not rest in his hands.

If you guys have more to add please let me know!!! This is, obviously, a topic I am very passionate about, so I'd love to hear your thoughts!

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[myevilmouse]

Hello there!☺

Fun meta asks for writers 5 and 21, if I may..

💙😘

Oh this is such a fun ask, thank you so much @ele-millennial-weirdo!

So question 5: What character that you’re writing do you most identify with?

Well, I would love to say someone cool like Mara or my OC Seta, but the truth is that I probably identify the most with D'tan, Luke’s fan club president from my epistolary fic Fan Mail.  I am just a nerd like everyone else and hopelessly obsessed with a handsome Jedi.   Unapologetically so!  Like, D’tan is cool in her own way, and after all, she winds up becoming a Jedi too.  And I like to think I have my own unique brand of awesome too 😁

me and D’tan talking about Luke ^^

and question 21:  What other medium do you think your story would work well as? (film, webcomic, animated series?) 

I would love to see films made of any and all of my fics!  Or mini-series!  Oh the drama, the action, the smexy!  Lucasfilm, give me a call, I’m willing to compromise my artistic integrity for the right price, promise.  I know that’s what you want, c’mon, here’s my number.

me when Kathy Kennedy asks me to write the adventures of Jake Skywalker^^

Thank you so much for the asks again!  I am having too much fun staying up tonight answering them! 😁💙  Have a kickboxing Thrawn in gratitude:

#myfic #my thoughts #asks #i like asks #fandom friends #Fandom Meme #fanfic is for fun #i love luke skywalker #luke skywalker's fan club

[gffa]

TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT THE JEDI ORDER IN STAR WARS CANON [A Meta/Reference Guide on AO3] aka, SO WHAT DO THE JEDI SAY AND DO IN THE ACTUAL CANON? Previously on gffa Is A Nerd:  I’ve done reference posts on the Jedi Temple before, but so much of it was Legends and a bunch more canon has come out since that I wanted to focus on a post about what we’ve been given about the Jedi Order in canon!  While we never actually get that much about them (seriously, it’s a handful of comics, games, and books, even The Clone Wars was really light on actual Jedi worldbuilding) there’s finally enough that I wanted to collate it as much as I could. Another goal is that it’s often hard for me to distill out what is actually true of them in the source material vs my own assumptions or what is said to be canon when Lucasfilm’s story has actually never said any such thing or what I’ve read in so many fics that I forget it’s not actually canon.  This is no judgement on those assumptions or bits of fanon, many of them are ones I whole-heartedly embrace! But this time I wanted to create something of a master post about what the Jedi have said, done, and taught in the canon (though, expect it to always be something of a work in progress, as new content is always being added or I hunt down something I hadn’t yet finished) or what Word of God commentary has said about them, because I find them endlessly fascinating and enjoy seeing what my assumptions about them are versus what actually goes on! This is a master list focused specifically on Canon, so Legends is a separate continuity from this.  Partially this is because I enjoy Canon, partially because this is Lucasfilm’s property and they get to define the rules, partially because George Lucas’ view on the old expanded universe was that it was separate from his Star Wars. “There’s this notion that everything changed when everything became Legends.  And I can see why people think that.  But, you know, having worked with George, I can tell you that it was always very clear–and he made it very clear–that the films and the TV shows were the only things he considered canon.  That was it.” –Dave Filoni, The Star Wars Show, speaking of working with George Lucas ”I don’t read that stuff. I haven’t read any of the novels. I don’t know anything about that world. That’s a different world than my world.” –George Lucas, on how the old EU was not canon to his Star Wars Which means that many commonly referenced elements that are often assumed to be Canon are not.  For example, the concept of the Jedi being kicked out at the age of 13 was brought up in the Jedi Apprentice books (which started in 1999, before Attack of the Clones or Revenge of the Sith existed) and have not been referenced anywhere in Canon.   They’ve been contradicted by Legends (there was a 17 year old Padawan in The Way of the Jedi who did not appear to fear aging out) and has also been contradicted by Canon (Ahsoka was 14 when we met her, Caleb was 13 when he became a Padawan, but was described as “too young” for it normally, but the war had forced everything to accelerate). Canon vs Legends is relatively simple to tell–most anything that was published before April 25th, 2014 is NOT canon, most anything published after IS canon.  There are some guide books that will have a Legends disclaimer in the back despite being set after the date, the role-playing books appear to not be canon, the mobile games exist in kind of a limbo as I’ve never seen any yea or nay on them, and some require judgement from the audience–ie, LEGO Star Wars is probably not going to be canon, I think it’s safe to say!  But most serious stories released after that date are part of the tapestry, which often does reintroduce elements (like Thrawn being reintroduced in Rebels or Bant Eerin in An Obi-Wan & Anakin Adventure) but only what appears in those specific stories is canon, not their previous histories in Legends. This master post will be broken down into seven sections, grouped together as best I can! SECTION 1 - HOW THE FORCE WORKS SECTION 2 - JEDI CULTURE & PHILOSOPHY & TEACHINGS SECTION 3 -  JEDI AS A PEOPLE SECTION 4 - PSYCHIC SPACE WIZARDS DOING PSYCHIC SPACE WIZARD THINGS SECTION 5 - JEDI TEMPLES SECTION 6 - JEDI AND THE BIGGER GALAXY SECTION 7 - EVERYTHING ELSE (REAL WORLD ANALYSIS + OTHER NOTES) Hopefully, this will be interesting and fun to look over for anyone who’s into this kind of thing!  This is not a value judgement on the worthiness of Legends elements, as I enjoy many Legends things, too.  This is not an attempt to control what other people enjoy putting into their fic or treating as part of the tapestry of their Star Wars or talking about!  Merely this is “what is part of the canon as we move forward with Star Wars” and a fun exercise in shedding my own assumptions about what the Jedi have actually said and done themselves. I’ve done my best to organize things into groupings that help show consistent themes with the Jedi, as well as sourced things as best I can.  I always encourage people to read the source material for yourself, as any  second-hand telling of things is going to be imperfect, no matter how much I worked to stick largely to just quoting the material!

#jedi #jedi order #obi wan kenobi #anakin skywalker #ahsoka tano #yoda #mace windu #depa billaba #kanan jarrus #count dooku #meta

[twilekchiss]

If Rentor is a backwater planet, does that mean Thrawn has the Chiss equivalent of a Wild Space accent?

#thrawn #grand admiral thrawn #mitth'raw'nuruodo #.txt #meta thrawn talk

[belladeum]

(ro) accord + 4, 5, 10, 13 - for the fic ask meme!!

Aaa thank you for asking!!! Accord is my post-Rebels Star Wars fic ft Thrawn/Eli/Nightswan for those who are interested

4: What’s your favorite line of dialogue?

Dialogue not so much - mostly cause there's not a lot of talking between our boys at the moment - but I really adore this lil bit from Ch3 when Thrawn sees Cygni for the first time post-Batonn:

He couldn’t understand, and for some reason the first thought to pass through his still-hazy mind was that surely if Cygni had survived, he would have known. He would have been the first to know, perhaps the only one to know. Why hadn’t he known?

5: What part was is hardest to write?

I'm still writing the dang thing so uhhh the all of it still to be written! Chapter 6-9 is giving me pains just trying to figure out pacing and the um "meta" narrative I want to include somehow but yeah! I'm trying to get out of this funk and back into writing ;;

10: Why did you choose this pairing for this particular story?

I chose my throuple because I love Nightswan and he deserves to be alive and happy and also full of angst and also have two boyfriends. Nightswan/Thrawn is good bcs narrative foils, parallels, equals, rivals, the drama and frought tension of enemies to friends to lovers and Nightswan/Eli is good because I started shipping it one day and realised there's such potential there cause 'Swan is like Thrawn and could easily play a similar mentor role in an AU but also imagine these two bonding over having to deal with Thrawn's Shit TM all the time (and also Eli clearly has a type and Swan fits it). Thrawn/Eli I need not explain (they were roommates). But most of all I chose this ship because I can. Though, would you believe me I initially planned Accord as a Thranto featuring Third Wheel Nightswan fic? Ridiculous. Don't know what I was thinking.

13: What music did you listen to, if any, to get in the mood for writing this story? Or if you didn’t listen to anything, what do you think readers should listen to to accompany us while reading?

Oh man I have a selection of songs that fit all three of these pairings. But as a general guide for Nightswan (who is the driving force and main POV of this fic) his vibe is Mumford & Sons, Kaiser Chiefs and Marina and the Diamonds (esp Electra Heart era). All the chapter titles are based on song lyrics which either are just a pun on whatever happens in the chapter, or have some emotional resonance with it.

#star wars #thrawn #nightswan #nightthrawn #thranto #listen eli will be in the fic we just haven't got there yet #ty ro i appreciate you bub #if you rebagel the ask meme i will want more behind the scenes for the chosen path >:3

[tennyowithaluger]

you're dope as hell and talking to you about thrawn is the best thing in the world. insight out the wazoo, plus you have a nuance I don't see with other fans. we don't talk much, I just wanted to let you know because whenever I read the books I'm thinking "ohh what would tennyo think here?"

Oh wow! That’s so nice to hear! I do enjoy my meta, ha ha. And feel free to chat, I love hearing from other fans! :)

#Thrawn #Star Wars

[ooops-i-arted]

hello! big fan of ur fanfiction and ur metas ❤️️ i am curious to hear your thoughts on episode 5? i know you were not looking forward to it but i hope it wasn't too awful 😬

Thank you, I’m so glad you enjoy my stuff!  On the episode in general?  Eh.  It wasn’t as bad as I feared it would be, I rolled my eyes at all the long Orange Author’s Pet sequences but hey, at least it wasn’t like a 6-person ensemble cast was reduced to 3 for the season 2 finale and then only 2 of them significantly participated before being shoved aside so she could fight another character in a climax relevant to a completely different tv show, which was my standard for Noping.  (Will I ever stop being salty about the Rebels 2 season finale?  Spoiler alert:  no.)

I’ve already gone on about how much I enjoyed Din & Baby’s interactions in other asks so I guess this means you get the complaints?  Sorry!  I mean it was another serviceable Din Takes A Side Quest episode, it was Fine, but my sister and I were talking about how the season as a whole feels like they’re more testing out side characters to see who is a hit with audiences to make another show.  Season 1 had its one-episode characters like Omera and Ran’s crew, but we get new “guest stars” every episode and it just feels like Din is being punted around between random places to look for things?  (He’s much more a reactive than proactive protagonist this season I think.)  Even Cara and Greef, previous established characters, are treated like that and ofc after being set up as the Big Bad Gideon hasn’t shown up too much either.  Idk, season 1 just felt more coherent and it’s really starting to stand out imo.  (Like why are you throwing in mentions of Thrawn for funsies when you already have a big bad with a nefarious plot to worry about??  Why would you drop threads when you haven’t even finished your first bad guy plot?)

I did really dig the Spooky Forest Aesthetic though.  And I was excited to hear Tython’s name as a SWTOR fan and I’m curious to see how it will appear 3000 years after the events of the game.  (I’m picturing my SWTOR Jedi chilling and eating Force ghost popcorn, watching Din and Baby wandering around lol.)

#asks #anon #the mandalorian spoilers

[igotswag77]

SWAG77 has gotten too many questions about Sabine Wren’s age and if she is an adult by the time she meets Grand Admiral Thrawn face-to-face in our fan fiction on AO3. Yes. Sabine Wren is a legal adult at 18+ years old and she meets Grand Admiral Thrawn in our AO3 fan fiction at ~10 years later when she is ~28 years old. Yes. Thrawn is much older than her. At least ~20 years. But we are talking about various aspects of space-time continuum and relativity as a role as our Patreon meta explains. But in this post, we present our math above. Read: https://bit.ly/39v5Kwd “#ad”

Disagree? Show your verified receipts? Ours is from author Adam Bray who wrote Star Wars Rebels Visual Guide 2014 Don’t like? Keep it moving. We’re doing this because we want to... We are uninterested in justifying this to some fans because we don’t care what these people think. But they have NO right to attack us why we want to do it only because they disagree. That makes them no different from the Reylo Fanatics or the Toxic Fanboys. We are not a part of gang and we do not gang bang people who think they’re getting a Disney Lucasfilm Star Wars contract over the fan fiction or fan art they do.

#age #sabine wren #instagram #star wars #star wars rebels #visual guide #2014 #thrawn x sabine #sabine x thrawn #thrawn x sabine wren #relationship