#predestined and free will

[thesherrinfordfacility]

brain is whirring on “...some people that you love will be coming back; some that you expect, some that you don’t." and honestly i really hope it's agnes. i don't think we're done with her and her little book yet, not really

#good omens #ignore this but. you write a book that foresees events up until the apocalypse. but if the apocalypse doesnt happen - #and by all accounts you foresee this too butbhave to pave the way to make it happen - #who's to say that there arent prophecies within the book that would apply to events after the end of s1 #she has the second book yes but likely foresees that anathema would burn it in a pique of free will/rejection of predestination symbolism #idk man i just feel like agnes has more to say. more that applies after the failed armageddon in the lead up to 'the big one' #s3 narrative spec #bc who knows

[writeouswriter]

I think the best love story is the one that’s not trying to be a love story, it just is

#writing #writeblr #love stories #romance #(but doesn’t have to be) #when you’re not forcing it or reinforcing certain tropes the chemistry will come more naturally things will fit together #which is why fate is an inherently contradictory concept because it implies both the natural flow of the universe and an inherent sculpted #plan to the universe #predestined outcomes beyond your control in the hands of some supernatural force pulling the strings but who says they have #control either and aren’t influenced by factors of free will and choices made and the natural course of things #like a writer who finds themselves going off their outline because something else worked better/the plot changed on its own #I’m rambling probably nonsense though #anyway *** ****** ***** ** ************ is a love story #(you may not buy a vowel) #writer things #textpost #genres #tag whatever you want you will not be guessing what this post is about I can tell you that

[greater-than-the-sword]

Not to poke the beehive, but...

#Christianity #religion #calvinism #arminian #Predestination #free will

[narwhalandchill]

while i dont think its necessarily like an egregiously offensive blunder by any means like theyve done much worse and it suits the narwhal fine. truly an eng translation moment to call it the all-devouring narwhal for no particular reason when once more every single translation (save for russian for some reason) is star-devouring/-swallowing narwhal/whale like 💀 why do they keep doing this

#eng translation that one contrarian in the workplace that just will not go with the rest #like im glad eng team is thinking of a more varied diet for my beloved but like if its called star devouring in the original #whats up w just changing it either way jajskdkskskskgl for funsies? #i try to be like nice and realistic about translation stuff bc idk chinese but i do know its always difficult to fully convey things #and like i dont know abt the communication the translators have with the writers if they have any at all #etc etc. but stuff like this being changed is kinda just silly #ESPECIALLY if the star part ends up being significant later on which i can very muvh see w the constellation = destiny thing #if its snacking on say perchance the stars making up ajax' celestia-decreed fate isnt that just freeing him from a predestined path 🤨🤨 #me when my least suspicious atk pattern is just fucking blasting through monoceros caeli and watching its stars fall from the sky #and 2/3 of my boss drops are about dimmed stars and fractured constellations. huh huh #genshin #rambles #narwhalposting

[exorcistas]

No wound as sharp as the will of God

Sun Bleached Flies - Ethel Cain // Conscience: Judas (1891) - Nikolai Ge // Lover, Lover, Lover - Leonard Cohen // Judas (1885) - Ilya Repin // Priest (1994) - Dir. Antonia Bird // Judas Iscariot - Thazunique Charlton // Judas’s Death - Jesus Christ Superstar // Repent Now, Confess Now - Lingua Ignota

#judas iscariot #Catholicism #idk what else to tag lol lemme know if u need smthn tagged #oh wait #suicide mention #i was talking to my mom about Judas #and we’re both Judas apologists lol #🥭.txt #also this is a Judas predestination post lol Idc if u don’t subscribe to the predestination belief 🙄 #it’s just the saddest version to me and therefore the most interesting to think abt #jcs did it the best truly like Judas’s realization abt being used literally shifts the tone to like an actual horror movie #it’s the lack of agency and free will <3 it’s so sad ^_^ #kicks my legs in the air and giggles #also posting this as a half joke I just love him unironically

[soldier-poet-king]

Oh mitski, sufjan, and the national we're really in it now

#IM. #thought too hard. made myself sad. eso about love (platonic and romantic and all of the above) #and the idea of soulmates not as a predestined thing #but as this thing built together. a shared commitment. im. IM #i am crawling into bed under my 500 blankets and weighted blanket #and will pretend that the sensory soothing of the weight makes up for human contact #feral cat ass out here like. #man i need to be employed not just for money or a satisfaction of my chosen profession that i enjot #but bc i need to be kept occupied or i fet sad #yeah im exhausted constantly and wish i had more free time but also. this is what happens when i get free time

[pratchettquotes]

The lifetimers of most people were the classic shape that Death thought was right and proper for the task. They appeared to be large eggtimers, although, since the sands they measured were the living seconds of someone's life, all the eggs were in one basket.

Rincewind's hourglass looked like something created by a glassblower who'd had the hiccups in a time machine. According to the amount of actual sand it contained--and Death was pretty good at making this kind of estimate--he should have died long ago. But strange curves and bends and extrusions of glass had developed over the years, and quite often the sand was flowing backwards, or diagonally. Clearly, Rincewind had been hit by so much magic, had been thrust reluctantly through time and space so often that he'd nearly bumped into himself coming the other way, that the precise end of his life was now as hard to find as the starting point on a roll of really sticky transparent tape.

Terry Pratchett, The Last Continent

#DEATH #rincewind #the last continent #discworld #terry pratchett #life story #life timers #mortality #fate #predestination #free will #magic #time and space #imprecise #glassblower with hiccups #nearly bumped into himself #wibbly wobbly timey wimey

[incomingalbatross]

Still a little insane about how Connie Willis handled time travel in her WWII books specifically. Don't have the energy to articulate it but I need you to know this.

#it's the #it's the predestination and the free will and the way it RESOLVES and just #yeah

[justwannabecat]

I was rewatching the episode with Dan and the Observers ordered the Time Ghost to destroy Danny in his past so there would be no genocide. If they know and understand how dangerous an alternate version of Danny is, why didn't any of them stop the boy when he first entered the portal and literally died there? Then there would have been one less problem.

The Observants are a lot less “All Knowing, All Seeing” kind. Instead, I assume they see one timeline, and only a limited amount of it. After all, people can change their mind about things or do something unexpected. For the Observants to only see one timeline, the one that is most likely to exist, they wouldn’t be able to see the entire thing. Only up to a certain point.

Alternatively: The Observants DO see every timeline, like Clockwork, and part of this timeline just included them telling Clockwork to End Dan, to which Clockwork would get Danny to fight and defeat him. That’s a neat idea I haven’t really heard yet.

#danny phantom #danny fenton #The Ultimate Enemy #the Observants #clockwork #predestination vs free will #asked and answered

[awritersbro]

people who believe in predestination please interact i’d love to know how you reconcile that belief with the belief that God is Good.

#not even going into the free will aspect of it since the belief in predestination necessarily entails the disbelief in free will #otherwise people who aren’t The Elect would be able to choose to follow God and enter the kingdom of Heaven #thus rendering the whole Elect thing pointless #christianity #calvinism

[timeconqueror]

Victor says he can do his own choices but TVA is purpose-built to be ruled by him for him so I really hope we see him try to fight against the current but end up slotting into the role HWR deigned for him anyways

#loki spoilers #I think predestination loop is the name of the game for the season #free will yes but also time is a fickle thing for a reason

[skyborneveggie]

Hmnmnm something about the angel/demon dichotomy and Calvinist trauma.

Something about when you've taken your first baby steps out, and you're angry at a god you don't believe in anymore, because they didn't love you enough to save you. Something about how they chose to let you fall away, & there's nothing you can do about it because you are LESS than, incapable of inherent faith. Something about how faith could only come from God, and they took it away from you. You were never chosen to begin with. You weren't worth saving.

#Something about it reminds me of Crowley & the demons in general #something something predestination #free will trauma and predestination trauma are two distinct flavors of awful #good omens #my meta

[foxglves]

it really is crazy how much being a panther suits matthew like. he made the flames who they were during the time he played for them but he was made for florida.

#hockeyposting #thinking normal thoughts on the bus as always #sports are going to make me a calvinist literally there is no such thing as free will everything is predestined

[sageblogsthings]

i finally finished watching exu: calamity and i’m being soooo brave about it

#pls feel free to come holler about calamity w me 👉👈 #the way this dnd game was The Tragedy Media of all time i am not okay!! 😭😭 #brennan lee mulligan is so incredible the fuck #like. absurdly good storytelling brennan how do u this!! #and the way everything came down to the rolls of the dice!! in a story with a predestined ending!!! #im losing it man!! #ik i’m like 7 months late but that is how long it took me to emotionally prepare myself for that last episode u see #sage rambles #exu calamity #critical role

[smp-live]

The inherent horror in having your lifeforce, the very reason you're alive, being tied to this random person. Forever. And even if you choose another person, even if you loathe the one the Universe assigned you, your continued survival still depends entirely on them.

You Cannot Escape Them. You cannot live just for yourself. You are forcibly connected until the day you die.

#enderspeak #I love this concept like yesss play into soulmates being predestined but not wanting them and not being able to break free and fucking- #-hating it #double life smp

[religion-is-a-mental-illness]

The article goes on to point out a number of bible verses that seem to contradict that notion as well as a couple of the aforementioned arguments but one I'm surprised to never see anyone bring up is: if god already knows whether or not were gonna follow his "rules" and either way were still following his "plan" then why impose rules in the first place?

[cont'd] I still don't find Abrahamic religions to be particularly believable for a number of reasons but I'd say this at least gives them a lot more internal consistency

[That is, regarding the Abrahamic god not having the "omni" attributes.]

The Abrahamic god was created to supplant polytheistic religions and their various gods, all of whom had unique interests or quirks or tendencies. The competing interests of those various gods could explain the unpredictability of the world. You pray to the goddess of the harvest for rain for your crops, but she's at war with the god of the sun, so whether your crops will grow or shrivel in a drought depends on the fates of the gods, none of whom was omni in nature, or singularly held power.

Monotheism consolidated these gods down into a single god, so that there is a single word of god, single doctrine, rather than the mishmash of devotees of the sun god, the war god, the harvest god, etc, etc, all with their own practices. Abrahamism attempts to control everyone consistently, and therefore makes one god responsible for all of it, made "omni" by granting it all the powers and qualities of all the gods combined.

The problem is that the world is not consistent, and the cracks in this mythology show much more readily. Especially around its omni-ness. The polytheistic pantheons had an excuse: all the various gods had domain over only whatever they had domain over. They were one of many. The contentions and relationships and drama between the gods may give you some rain but not enough for your crops to survive.

But a monotheistic god has domain over everything. It is solely responsible. If you don't get enough rain, it's because your omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent, omnitemporal god somehow doesn't want you to, doesn't know yo need it, or can't give it to you.

Not being omni does make the story more internally consistent. But it also makes randomness more powerful than the deity, and undercuts the entire point of theism in the first place. Because if a god isn't in control of everything, then god doesn't have control of everything. And trying to explain randomness, due to people's discomfort with it, is one the key driving factors for religiosity in the first place. That there is some kind of order to the universe, that something is in control and will prevent it all from spiralling into utter chaos, as well as being able to seek some form of control themselves, that they can petition for help from, or the favor of, god. That there's a reason for the lightning, the drought, the floods, the infant mortality, not just the indifferent arbitrariness of nature. If god doesn't have those omni qualities, then nobody is fully in control, and help from above is bounded by limitations. This god is subject to the restrictions and boundaries of the universe, like anyone.

So, while it’s more consistent narratively, it’s more unpalatable to the believer and what they need from their imaginary friends.

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The bible is explicit about predestination. It says it again and again that "Lord" doesn't just already know, but decided and made things, chose people to believe and those not to believe, right from the very beginning, before anything even existed.

Romans 8:29-30

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Romans 9:11-22

(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Ephesians 1:4-5

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

2 Timothy 1:9

Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

"Lord" made unbelievers, deliberately makes people to not believe the purported "truth" of Xianity, even "tricks" them into non-belief.

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Mark 4:11-12

And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Matthew 7:13-14

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

So it's not even just that this god already knows, and therefore it's all completely unnecessary, the bible is unrelentingly insistent that it's outright what it wants, what it intends, what this creator god, this "potter" who has "power over the clay," created by design.

#ask #christianity #bible #bible study #predestination #free will #creator god #religion #religion is a mental illness