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buggachat · 10 months

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To be clear, I goddamn hated the finale on first watch. I was withering in my seat. My heart had dropped to my stomach. I had no fucking idea what I was watching in that final scene lmao

and then Adrien said "when Ladybug gave me the rings—" and I was like— wait. LADYBUG? LADYBUG STILL EXISTS?

I THOUGHT THE ENTIRE TIMELINE HAD BEEN REWRITTEN 😭😭😭😭 I THOUGHT LADYBUG AND CHATN OIR DIDNT UFCKING EXIST uNTIL ADRIEN SAID THAT I WAS SO SO SO SCARED

and then I realized, oh wait. This isn't a complete utopian timeline rewrite. This is just a timeskip of a few months and Mme Bustier is just a kickass mayor. In fact, she's only mayor BECAUSE it's still the same timeline. And then I realized, hey, wait, if they didn't rewrite the timeline, then how tf is Emilie casually there with no questions?

And then I realized she was wearing black. And Félix was there. And I remembered Amelie exists.

Basically, I went into the finale chanting to myself "it's okay, it's okay... they probably wont bring Emilie back... they probably won't rewrite the entire timeline permanently.... right? please....", even though I didn't actually expect it to happen, but just because I was terrified that it could. And apparently that fear actually got to me so much that I misinterpreted the episode as being everything I didn't want it to be... when... it actually wasn't that at all

anyway, all of this is to say, everything in the episode happens so fast that it confused and terrified me at first. And when I realized what had happened, my opinion went from "my year is ruined" to "oh. well. okay. kind of disappointing, I guess". And then I kept thinking about it, and the ending, and all that is set up and rewatching the scenes and all the loose ends still in place and.... i realized I loved it?

like, every time I think about this finale, I love it more. every time i rewatch a scene, I get a little obsessed. this episode went from my nightmare to actually really really cool to me, and I'm still kind of reeling from it

Basically, this is why I've been kind of passionately defending the finale— not because I think people who don't like it are """dumb""" or anything, I don't blame people at all for that, and I totally get the confusion. I was confused too. And I know I'm not the only one who went in preparing themselves for the worst, or went in with very specific expectation on what will happen, because this finale has been long awaited for so long. I think everyone was shocked with how it ended. I think most people probably startled at Amelie's face (it's so easy to forget she exists....)

Anyways, I started this post basically as an apology for if I seem too aggressive or defensive about the finale. Because I get it! I get hating it! I get being disappointed or frustrated or confused! Part of why I'm so defensive is because I have all the arguments so ready on the tip of my tongue because I had the very same argument with myself already 😭 So I'm sorry if any of my posts came off as too aggressive and in advance for any future posts that might. I promise promise promise I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad for having bad opinions on the finale! I just think this episode is really cool and the fact I related to a lot of the nay-sayers makes it easy to feel so impassioned about it.

But this post is getting off the rails and I'm just gonna let it, because some of my regrets w my participation in fandom is that I find myself chickening out of actually talking about my thoughts on episodes a lot. I get kind of overwhelmed and overthink everything after I've posted it and I'm a shy person. But my inbox is closed and this is the season 5 finale and I want to ramble and ramble so I will allow myself this

Basically, I went in with some very specific expectations for this episode. We all know about the Hawkmoth defeat story. Many of us have read it in fics over and over again, it was teased in Chat Blanc, we all know what we expect, we all know our favorite beats from it.

And what actually happened....... met virtually none of those beats. (For me, at least).

Like, Adrien wasn't there for the final episode. At all. He was completely absent from the confrontation. He never found out his father was Hawkmoth. He got his rings, but he never found out he was a sentimonster. He is living in the dark.

Ladybug confronted Monarch... alone. Which is sad, when so much of the series is dedicated to the partnership of her and Chat Noir. Them against the world....... and Monarch was "defeated" with nary a Chat Noir in sight.

The whole entire "Gabriel is known as a hero" thing. I don't think anybody was expecting that. Absolutely shocking.

The fact Marinette would lie to Adrien like that. The fact she's keeping so much from him. The fact everyone is. SO MANY people in Adrien's life (Marinette, Plagg, Nathalie, Felix, Amelie, Kagami, probably Alya, maybe more I'm not thinking of....) are just... lying to him, now. He is so in the dark. He knows nothing.

But.........

I kind of like that I didn't predict nearly any of this. I like that it caught me off guard. I love how this show just completely baffles me at every turn, how it will present concepts and ideas to me that I've never read a fic about.

In retrospect, Chat Noir being absent from the final battle... makes sense. It actually makes a lot of sense, if I think about it, because... there is only one possible way that could've gone, right? Chat Noir would not be allowed to have the emotional implosion that he would have to have. This is devastating. This is SO devastating. This is the entire shattering of Adrien's entire world we're talking about, and Chat Blanc is the only real way for that to end. Adrien has an emotional implosion in front of Monarch, he gets akumatized, it turns into an emotion explosion, extinction event. The end. We've already seen it.

And........ even if it didn't end that way, even if he managed to avoid akumatization...... how could the finale satisfyingly end on that note? How could it end in any semblance of a "wrapped up" way, at the very start of Adrien's emotional breakdown? It couldn't. I wouldn't WANT it to. In retrospect, Adrien finding out his dad is Monarch and then.... what? The season ends on a close-up of him crying? The season ends with a time-skip to the new school year where they skipped his entire grieving period!? I would HATE that, actually. I would hate that. I thought I wanted it, but I would hate it. I would hate it so so so much.

What's kind of amazing is that the finale ended with Monarch being defeated.... but Adrien still has those realizations to make. He still has those betrayals to come to terms with. There is time for him to make these realizations, for him to come to these conclusions, perhaps one at a time, perhaps in a more controlled environment.... and that gets me far, far more excited for the seasons to come than an episode that tried to wrap it all up in the last 5 minutes.

Also, the reason Adrien didn't go to the final battle was because he feared becoming Chat Blanc. He didn't know the truth to it, didn't understand that literally, yes, that's what would have happened if he was there, even if he hadn't been under a nightmare curse. But he still knew. He still expected it. He willingly chose to sit it out, no matter how much he hated it, because he knew. And there's something kind of powerful to that, I think, of Adrien making a choice that is so unequivocally the Correct choice, even more than he realized. And the strength it took for him to make that decision...... damn.

As for the lies and the Gabriel statue? I... it's upsetting, but it's supposed to be. And I believe it. I absolutely believe it. I 10000% believe Marinette would keep the secret of Monarch's identity to herself to try to save Adrien the pain. I 10000% believe that the population could easily be led to believe a famous billionaire is a hero. I 10000% believe that Adrien would WANT to believe it. I 10000% believe Tomoe would take advantage of it.

And I can't wait to see that illusion crumble.

Also.... this is the beginning of The Lila arc.

And the Lila arc begins on........ Marinette telling the biggest, boldest face lie she ever told. The Lila arc begins on the most extreme city-wide illusion we've ever seen. It begins on such a huge fabrication and....

..... it's Marinette's lie.

............ and Lila knows that it's a lie.

I'm

!!?!?!?!

This is so fucking cool???? The irony here??? the deceit???? All these loose ends, all the possible confrontations, all the ways this could GO. I don't know where the show is taking this, obviously, because nobody ever can predict where this show is going apparently (and I love it for that), but oh my god. I'm imagining all the fics I could read about this. all the fics I could write. all the thoughts and scenarios that this finale has provided me with to daydream about as I go to sleep.

Adrien, going through the motions of life. Looking up to his father as a hero, despite the fact the last time he saw him, Adrien was sobbing, in tears, and cursing his name. Adrien, after all the abuse he was subject to, having to look up at a statue of his father and...... be forced to think that maybe he was wrong about his father. But he's not wrong. He WASN'T wrong. He just THINKS that he is. His father is going to continue to loom over his life in ways I never expected post-hawkmoth. Adrien's relationship with Gabriel has not ended, a new and terrifying and horrible new chapter of it has simply begun, and Adrien is still as manipulated by his father's ghost as he was by his father himself.

THAT'S. WILD!!!

also, Adrien now believes that MONARCH MURDERED HIS FATHER. Chat Noir now believes that his greatest nemesis KILLED HIS FATHER. CHAT NOIR, resident self-sacrificer, believes that HIS FATHER was a HERO who DIED FIGHTING MONARCH. Adrien thinks that maybe he should be more like his father— more like his father who died in battle. This is. Not Good. For Adrien.

And it's Marinette that started this. Well intentioned Marinette, who doesn't really understand the extent of the horrors. Marinette, Adrien's girlfriend, the person he trusts most. She did this.

And, I mean.... god. I totally get how this sucks for a lot of people, because it's objectively upsetting.... but I LOVE lovesquare tension. Season 4 is probably my favorite season for that reason alone (still mulling over if season 5 beat it for me). I love the relationship drama, I love that it's in character drama, I love how it fits everything we know about them sososo well, I love that it's horrible and it's terrible and it's awful and it's all because Marinette loved Adrien too much to want to hurt him.

I was worried no reveal would mean that season 6 would just be... what? adrienette fluff? not that I don't love that, but where's the drama? well. there it is. that's the drama.

I need to stop typing this. I know this is abysmally long and ranty and if you read all of this then I'm sorry. But I wanted to get some of my thoughts out.

But basically, I was expecting a lot of things for the finale.

In my best case scenario, it would somehow, miraculously tie up and address all the loose ends with Adrien's angst and character arc in two episodes.... and then end with me totally satisfied, ready to only half-heartedly watch season 6 like it was just a small dessert after the main course.

And I already described my worst case scenario (my first impression of the episode lmao)

But it wasn't that. I was expecting a series finale, but I got a season finale. And I love season finales. I love how they keep me wanting more. I love how excited I am for season 6, because in both my best and worst case scenarios, I honestly didn't expect to be. I love all the new ideas and thoughts and scenarios swirling around in my brain. And even if season 6 doesn't address some of the things I want addressed, I'm so excited to see the creative content in this fandom that DOES

#ml spoilers #ml s5 spoilers #ml s5 finale spoilers #ml re-creation #ml recreation #recreation spoilers #re-creation spoilers #I am SO SO SO SORRY that htis rant went OFF and I just rambled and rambled and I'm sure nobody will read this. however #sometimes I want to be silly. and my silly moment is rambling about my favorite show into the void on my tumblr #im not proof reading this so im so sorry if it's. um. all over the place and riddled w typos 😭 im vibing im vibing

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ameleah · 2 years

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@buggachat‘s beau fandom how we doin’ today

#my art #ml fanart #ml beau #bakery enemies au #buggachat has me in a chokehold and does not want to let go #this chapter destroyed me but cleaned my pores at the same time istg??#the last scene was *chef's kiss*#the emotions in his eyes #the fear and hope and realization mixed together #kelly have mercy plz #i'm betting 50/50 on whether or not i will sleep or wait for 4am in the morning to read the next part tht comes out #i couldnt focus at my capital j job today bc i kept thinking about this au wtf #anyways sry for rambling #take the fact that i picked up the tablet pen after what half a year as a major compliment i havent drawn in so long istg

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cq-studios · 5 months

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This one screenshot has so much I want to talk about in it so I’m gonna babble about it below the cut

(TLDR: CQ geeks out about translating the Scala Language)

Okay, so first off I’d like to say how much I love the newspaper vibe they are going for and achieving with menus. It has me gnawing on the walls. There’s just Scala Script (the Scala language, for clarity’s sake) everywhere and my code breaking brain is eating it up.

Speaking of which here’s what I’ve been able to translate so far (out of what I’ve been able to make out… the writing is pretty scuffed up in places and it’s not the highest quality image lol)

So the first thing I’d like to focus on are the banners. Each one has something written in Scalian underneath. Those things in order of left to right are “Daily”, “Item”, and “Avatar”, which uh, makes sense lol.

I think it’s a little strange that “Item” is the only one that isn’t exactly translated… like did they just forget the “S”?

On a more interesting note though, this one for one translation here means we now have an official Scalian character for “V”. Unfortunately the character used is pretty scrapped away, so I can’t be 100% sure, but I do think I know which character is used.

(Click/tap on the images below… for whatever reason they were just not formatting correctly)

I also considered it being the one below, but because of the location of the flecks I lean more towards the first one.

I also might have translated another new Scalian character but I’m not sure…

See, on the bar at the top of the screen it says “[unknown character]ho[same unknown character]colates”. I spent at least an hour trying to find out all the possible English words what it could be. I just filled in the blanks tried anagrams, the whole shebang (except for trying that with the other languages that are most likely to be used. Those being Japanese, for obvious reasons, and Latin, which has been used in Scala Script before on the manhole covers in KH3 Scala) and came out with one possible word: Chocolate.

And I must be wrong because that makes no sense, but in case I’m right, it’s here.

I tried to cross reference with KH3 signs to no avail so I’m a bit stumped…

Maybe the little blurb on the other side makes it make sense but it’s too blurry for me to read.

Next up I’ll talk about the “Weather”.

The top text is decently clear so I was able to work that out pretty quickly (pros of being fluent in this fictional language I guess lol) and thanks to that clear text I was actually able to make out a bit more of what was below it than I would’ve otherwise. See, the smaller letters are pretty blurry but I’m able to vaguely make them out. The “L” and “W” were what I caught first and I filled in the blank between pretty fast with some pretty simple connections. Once I’d seen that I realized that there was probably a high there too, and there do seem to be “H”s on either side of the word above it… and a “G”… and an “I” (I think, I was trying to double check but my iPad has significantly worse image quality than my computer).

As for the temperature, I tried my best but the numbers are probably inaccurate. They are very blurry.

Last but not least, here are a few of my smaller notes.

I’m a big fan of the Moogle stamp, but I could not tell you what the first word on that thing is. The second is “news”, clear as day but the first word doesn’t have any characters I recognize other than the “S”. I tried coming up with possibilities through context but I’m drawing a blank.

I also love the little Potion and Elixir advertisement in the bottom corner. Like, I’m so charmed by the art for it. That being said though, I also have no clue what the text next to this one says. I’m sure it’s an onomatopoeia of some sort but once again my brain wasn’t working with me.

If you guys have any ideas please let me know. I always love to have discussions and help.

(Also I know I left a whole text box out… I honestly have nothing to say about that. Not enough characters I recognize to decipher anything at this point)

#AHHHHHHHH I’M LOOSING MY MIND IM SO EXCITED FOR ML #Like this ramble is just a small taste of where my brain has been all day #so many thoughts not enough time to write them all #kh #kingdom hearts #khml spoilers #khml #sometimes i think about ml

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dragonwritersblog · 9 months

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ML Show Fans: "OMG Awakening was so bad the show has so much more is a hundred times better!"

ML Movie Fans: "The movie is so much better than the show and did things that the show never could!"

Me:

#both have their strengths and weakness but I cherish them all the same #also where is everyone getting that adrien is an alpha male in the movie?#I mean yeah he said that mari was weird when he met her but later on when looking at her notebook and talking to her about his mother its #clear that he'd grown to respect her as a friend #and chat noir calling ladybug a watermelon and sidekick? that was literally him a dumbass and later accepts that he fits the role of the #sidekick instead #miraculous ladybug #ml awakening #ml movie #miraculous movie #marinette dupain chang #ladybug #adrien agreste #chat noir #adrienette #marichat #ladrien #ladynoir #dragon rambles

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sizzleissues · 7 months

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I’M GOING INSANE OVER ALL THE MIRACULOUS STUFF DROPPING - THE PARIS SPECIAL AND ALL THE NEW FUN STUFF WE CAN DO WITH THAT (think fanfiction people, think and maybe write some for me… personally… please) AND THE MOTHER FREAKING SEASON 6 SCREEN SHOT THAT IS GOING TO ROTATE IN MY MIND UNTIL WE GET MORE SNEAK PEAKS (and considering history, leaks (but don’t anyone dare spread them!! We will keep the secrecy this time))

#sizzle rambles #miraculous ladybug #ml paris special #ml season 6 #no one irl wants to talk to me about this #So be prepared for increased levels of insanity as i process all this

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ninadove · 11 months

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It’s going to be a decent while until the finale airs, so I’m writing this in advance, but I want to address something I already know will come up:

Do NOT talk shit about Marinette.

The basement scene in Re-creation was beautiful, and I don’t mean that just because it plays into my love for the humanity-being-its-own-form-of-magic trope. Marinette has been working through her trust issues throughout the season: overcoming her trauma from Derision and communicating with Adrien, relying on Chat Noir again, becoming more trusting of people in general. Her offering Gabriel a helping hand was the logical culmination of her arc.

It isn’t dumb. In fact it has worked in the past:

And it is also motivated by love. Love for Adrien, who she cares enough for to give her oldest enemy a chance. Love that Gabriel clearly does not have for his son, despite what he claims, or he would have finally made the right choice in this instant.

So even though I knew right away it was trouble, I’m glad they went for it. It truly goes to show how much our girl has grown, and how different she is from our now DEAD (🎉) main villain. I love her even more after this finale.

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alexiethymia · 1 year

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ML s5e9 Elation

I loved it and I have a lot to say

Marichat given and taken in one ep. *sobs*

Marinette is having a hard time of it. She’s just a fourteen year old girl, and every time she has a crush, everything goes wrong.

Andre represents the hardcore shippers. He represents all of us.

This ep was insidious. Hawkmoth knowing Marinette is Chat Noir’s weakness is dangerous. But it is also hilarious in that I am absolutely sure he’s going to want Marinette around more often for the chance to manipulate her which gives more chances for Adrien to make her fall for him again which means Gabriel is both endangering and helping out his son’s love life. Good luck with your avoiding Adrien plan, Marinette!

Adrien is amazing. His heart and strength and kindness and ethics is amazing to me. Marinette needs that reassurance of Chat Noir loving Marinette, but also can’t help but feel hurt he no longer loves Ladybug. Meanwhile, Adrien despite having what he wants being literally there for the taking (and make no mistake he wants Marinette desperately, that doped out look proves it, he probably has since way back that first time she kissed him), has enough sense and conscience to get a hold of himself. I really appreciate this show taking the time to explain the power imbalance of loving a superhero with a secret identity (which I think applies in a lot of scenarios) and that despite how much Marinette wants it, Adrien won’t even take the tiniest risk of taking advantage of her

In connection to the above, it is his utterly selfless care for the people he loves that saved this love square from getting even more complicated. Despite how much hurt he must feel like probably having lost Marinette because it felt heavy to love him (and to find out she loves his alter-ego which must compound his self-confidence issues), Adrien of all people to hear that and to think that Marinette might have been burdened with loving him, what with all his hang ups about fame and loneliness, to still not take the easy way out as Chat Noir - I just, I just really have to applaud him. He’s come such a long way from that boy who let his jealousy akumatize someone. This may be a kid’s show but I lived (and guiltily loved) through some problematic shoujo leads so Adrien has always been refreshing to me in so many ways. I loved him as Adrien and Chat Noir in determination, so I’m really excited to see his progression throughout season five.

Marinette is amazingly brave, but Adrien too is unbelievably courageous with his heart. Multiple times he serves his heart on a platter, but rather than be cynical, he still chooses to be true to himself. It is this eternal optimism, in contrast to Marinette’s pessimism (which she has good reason to have, thinking you’ll end the world if you fall in love will do that to you), that allows him to face both Ladybug and Marinette, and rather than resent or even feel hurt by Marinette, psych himself up to win her over again. He can believe that Marinette would love anyone under the mask even though he hesitates to reveal himself now that he thinks Marinette must have been burdened when she loved him, because that’s how he felt/feels in regard to Ladybug. His hang-up is more on the secret identities thing. He wants to court her properly and honestly. He truly is a good boi.

Also, I cannot believe with how many speculations and theories we’ve had of how Marinette’s feelings for Adrien get revealed, she gets outed by ANDRE OF ALL PEOPLE?? I don’t know whether to call him king or clown. He’ll probably be overjoyed the moment they reveal their identities to each other, and he sees Adrien and Marinette holding hands and happy, as well as Ladybug and Chat Noir, like balance has been restored. (And then go berserk again and Glacer 4.0 the moment he sees Ladybug spiderman kissing Adrien Agreste in an alleyway or something.)

#ml #miraculous ladybug #adrienette #marichat #marinette dupain cheng #adrien agreste #it’s adrien appreciation hours #ladybug #chat noir #ramblings about ml #this is getting ridiculous #let marinette fall in love #though I am excited to see adrien’s attempts to woo her back #adrien’s too nice for the I can’t believe you had a crush on me when we were kids meme #chat noir on the other hand…

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chaos-has-theories · 10 months

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You know - the Revolution moral of "sometimes the adults won't do what's necessary, so sometimes you have to be the one to step in. Maybe you're the adult now" gets a bit... muddled... by the fact that it's also about "haha imagine Chloé as mayor even though she's 14? Oh look finally her father stepped in and put his foot down".

#Does the show intend the impossible ridiculousness of an unelected teenaged mayor?#Is it trying to make a statement along the lines of Fridays For Future in our heroes' power-ups?#And how even do these writers think parenting works?#Tune in next time I have too much time on my hands when I compare the Jirina Prekop methods (boooo!) with the Jesper Juul approach (woooo!)#bc one fun fact about me is that I've had a special interest in parenting manuals since I was fifteen #and I only just found the prekop at a yard sale #which is the only way I will ever pay money for it #miraculous ladybug #chaos rambles #(which is to say. tell me if that breakdown sounds interesting to you bc then I might actually do it)#ml revolution #ml salt

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anna-scribbles · 7 months

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calling all miraculous fans who watched anime in middle school

PLEASE tell me what you think adrien’s favorite anime is. bonus points for characters you think he would relate to / want to be friends with

#i’m doing fanfiction research #i wasn’t an anime kid but i know in my heart adrien is.#i feel like he has to be a magical girl anime kind of guy #but i don’t think he likes anything that obscure #i just don’t know enough about anime to write authentically here #ml #anna rambles #looking for real quintissential middle school anime here

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anastuffsstuffs · 7 months

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ik people get very upset about the forgotten scarf plot in this fandom (i almost forgot it happened too) but i think the extent of it actually worked to show how much marinette truly doesn't do good things to get something from in exchange, yk? i guess alya said that she had a good heart for letting adrien belive it was a present from his father in the episode, but what actually shows how much she cares more about other peoples happiness, regarless of being rewarded for it or not, is the fact that it's been seasons and she has never said a word about it, and Adrien indeed never found out. (ik that for them it is less time than for us, but in others shows plots like this one would be "resolved" very quickly)

and i'm not questioning if letting go was the right thing to do or not (since she literally made it and adrien needs to know the truth). the point is that it is second nature for marinette to always work to do what she thinks is best for others, regardless of being rewarded for it. she knew she worked so hard on the scarf but bacause the purpose was to make him happy, and it did, the work was done, even if he didn't get the chance to compliment her or say thank you for it AND THATS WHY she is ladybug.

the scarf plot actually foreshadows her choice not to tell Adrien the truth about pretty much everything at the end of season 5 because of how extremelly depressed it would make him. and i think this utopian situation they are now living will make her finally start to question how much protection and sacrifice for people's happiness is actually worth it (or even if it really is "the right thing to do"), when is it actually good for them instead of their right to know the truth

#i stumbled over one of the hundreds fanfictions about the scarf TM and remembered how they really never brought it up again huh #this started as a marinette apreciation post sorry for the dark ending #ml #ml spoilers #ml s5 spoilers #marinette dupain cheng #adrien agreste #miraculous ladybug #ana rambles #sorry for any grammar mistakes english is not my first language #miraculous season 5 #miraculous season five #mlb #miraculous analysis #ml analysis

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obstinaterixatrix · 1 year

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I don’t like when love interests are kinda shitty but the narrative treats then like they’re justified, but there’s a specific dynamic I really like where it’s

main character: actually I find your shit personality super attractive <3

love interest: what… the fuck is wrong with you

#my ramblings #not a lot of romances go full force with that #but yknow #letting down the mask of perfection counts for this imo #the reason i’m thinking abt this is bc there’s a bl webtoon that’s prett new #and it seems to be Actually Committing To This Kind Of Dynamic #where the mc is a writer of bl novels #and is looking for something to inspire his next work #but he only likes writing scummy mls (he thinks nice mls are too static)#so when his friend introduces him to a handsome guy he’s like eh. he’s too nice.#but when he sees the handsome guy threatening someone in an alleyway he’s like omg… charm point #lmao. genuinely very compelled by that #bc yknow it’s less about. accepting or normalizing mistreatment #and more like oh ok lmao mc’s hyping this up full force and on purpose because he likes two-faced people. I love that #highlights and centers ‘flaws’ in an interesting way

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sidsinning · 2 years

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You know, while it's great that Adrien FINALLY recognizes Marinette actually exists, what led to it... yikes. I mean, she LITERALLY only fell for Chat because he's the only option she has?

Also, the lukanette and marigami is going strong as always.

At this point... I'd prefer if her love interest was a BED, poor girl deserves a break.

I mean people have been saying the LS isn't reversed, it's complete. I think her feelings for Adrien are "cooling down" bc they're so heavily associated with losing the miraculous, so she just feels anxious and avoidant whenever they're brought up now. It's like Luka says, she's not really falling out of love with him, she's just really confused and mentally unwell bc of everything going on around her with the miraculous (since he knows her identity, he KNOWS this is why).

Also she's second guessing her love for him bc she doesn't know if she was not really in love with him after realizing how little she really talked to him (or so she assumes). But in the end she still sees him as she described in her practice confession to CN which is most definitely the real Adrien- someone sweet, sincere, and generous. She knows more about him than she thinks.

Marinette is ALSO in love with CN not bc he's her only choice now- she wants NO CHOICES if she can help it. It's why she's crying at the end of Determination, she wasn't looking for a rebound to ignore her feelings for Adrien, far from it. She's despairing over the fact that she has to deal with maybe another catastrophe that will be bc of her love for someone again, feelings she can't help. Not understanding why she was swooning for him and feeling sorrow when he says they're only partners after she expressed her tender affection for ONLY him, I think they are both signs she is in love with him because he's CN.

But tbh it's Mari so despite all this she will still somehow twist things to avoid thinking about Adrien lmao. She's gonna be juggling. Unlike Adrichat who has gotten his closure with LB so he can finally focus on Marinette, Marinette has not confessed to either Adrien or CN, nor has she been fully rejected by either of them.

So yeah. Messy messy.

Also agree loving their vibes

HONESTLY THOUGH SHE NEEDS SLEEP AND PEACE MORE THAN A BOYFRIEND RN TBH LOL

#ml #mlb #miraculous ladybug #determination #ml s5 spoilers #ml spoilers #adrienette #adrinette #adrien x marinette #marinette dupain cheng #ladybug #ask #sorry if you didn't expect this long ramble I just wanted to talk about the ep more tbh lol

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