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hiraganasakura · 10 months

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I'm not sry for going a little unhinged over the cut RWBY V9 epilogue [lighthearted], especially over Qrow. You don't know how much it means to me that he's ok. He is my ultimate blorbo. I was so scared that he was gonna spiral into severe depression and alcoholism and it was gonna destroy me bcus of my hyperempathy for him. Instead I get destroyed by how pleasantly surprised I am that he's actually trying so hard to hope

He's still carrying his losses and things are pretty bad but he's *trying*, he's trying so hard to see the good in things, he has a support system that he can count on and is working to support others

And compare this to how Qrow used to be, the lone wolf who isolated himself from others bcus he was so scared of hurting them with his Semblance, who drank his troubles away no matter how much it hurt himself or those who loved him, who has experienced sm trauma and pain and loss throughout his life and recently... and he's *grown*. He's grown and changed sm and he's trying so so hard

Qrow is a character who means a lot to me (for reasons I can neither understand nor articulate). And to see how he's grown and changed and how he *wants* to hope no matter how hard it is makes me so so *so* proud of him

#original post #also it looks like his relationship with raven might get rebuilt! and i'm so happy for him!#i love this guy [platonic] and he holds such a special place in my heart. and i'm so happy that he's finally getting good things #he's helping willow with her own alcoholism! he's spreading ruby's message! he's becoming closer with robyn! he's reuniting with raven!#i rly rly hope v10 gets greenlit. obviously bcus i want this story to conclude. but also bcus i just wanna see my blorbo *happy*#i'm super close to crying over him rn you have no idea how much he means to me #rwby #qrow branwen #tw alcoholism mention #rwby9 #rwby9 spoilers #rwby9 epilogue

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abysskeeper · 1 month

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I could talk about how Oscar's entire scene was a direct conversation with Ruby, where he addressed her as having 'left' and not 'died' (a fascinating dichotomy to Nora's 'we buried our friends today' opening). I could talk about the implications of how he lost his certainty and hope when he lost her, and the fact that Oz can't provide him with any substitution in her absence (Oz has no answers for anything, and I think that is the better choice...disregarding what I may have written for fic in the past).

I could even talk about how his mannerisms and vocabulary are mimicking Oz more and more in his own narration (is it similar souls and too much time spent with Oz in his head? Or is it the merge they're both desperately fighting off?)

But what I can't get over is that they really did just have that wide-shot of Oscar backlit by the orange of the rising sun. Orange...his color, not Oz's. And the sun, his half of the dichotomy he's been blatantly sharing with Ruby for a while now. Also, the sunrise, a common rhetoric for new hopes and the promises of better tomorrows (and the other character to share the sunrise in the epilogue being Qrow, who is actively speaking of those things).

And what I really can't get over is that at his lowest point, when the magic hits him again and we transition to Ren? The note is sunrise turns to nighttime. I know part of that is for the visual effect, but also feels symbolic that it really is Oscar's lowest point. A literal dark point, but also the time when he quite literally cannot shine. There is no sunlight at night, and now that he doesn't have his moon at his side, all he can do is fall to the ground.

My point? Rosegarden stays winning in the worst ways possible.

#don't mind me #rwby #rwby9 #rwby9 spoilers #greenlight volume 10 #oscar pine #ruby rose #rosegarden #rwby rosegarden #ruby and oscar are IMPORTANT to each other both in character #and thematically #and I am unhinged and chewing glass over the epilogue

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autumnsorbet · 1 month

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Rosegarden suffering

With there weapons at there back Ruby not wanting to be her self anymore

And Oscar losing him self and not wanting to merge

This is the right angst I love 💕

#rwby #Oscar pine #oscarpine #rubyrose #ruby rose #rwby epilogue #rwby9 #rwby fan art #vacuo #rwby10 #rwbyv10 #rosegarden #hazel silver rwby #Hazel silver #rosepine #rosegold #rwby rg #rg #rwby rosegarden

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oldenoughbynow · 1 month

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Source: Twitter (X)

This answers a question I've had since watching the animatic and hearing how Kerry and Eddy spoke of the possibility of Volume 10.

Yeah, I'm not giving up hope.

#rwby #rwby9 #rwby 9 epilogue #rwby 9 #kerry shawcross #eddy rivas #save rwby #greenlight volume 10 #rwby v9

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maxiemumdamage · 28 days

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Honestly, as much as I’m shocked the spin-off novels seem to be coming into canon, the Crown really makes sense as Agents of Salem (although they did stand the test independently).

Basically their whole deal is promoting the notion that Vacuo was better off without the influence of any of the other kingdoms, even those that didn’t do direct harm like Vale.

And the key thing is that none of that resentment is unfounded. Mistral and Atlas straight up colonized them, and destroyed the desert ecosystem in the process. Vale did nothing to help (Velvet, who’s from Vale, notes this in the books, so it’s likely true — she’s got no reason to tell an ugly lie about her home). And then Vacuo sided with Vale in the Great War just to lose their own monarchy and government in favor of what Vale wanted.

Vacuo’s history is a testament to the worst parts of humanity, to the divide and conquer strategy Salem loves so much. Pitting her enemies against each other is their thing.

But the Epilogue shows us through Qrow that as much as there’s conflict and strife between native Vacuans and the many foreign refugees, there’s also rather a lot of kindness and charity and goodwill. A lot of it centered on the memory of Ruby’s speech.

Ruby, who exposed Salem to the world and thus gave every nation a common enemy. Ruby, who ensured that everyone understands that they have to come together now. Ruby, who is gonna return to Vacuo with a potentially permanent solution not just for Salem but for the gods who created her.

Getting Amity Tower up even for a moment really was a triumph.

#ruby rose #salem rwby #rwby vacuo #rwby epilogue #rwby analysis #rwby9 #rwby10 #rwby before the dawn #rwby #max.txt

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drindrak · 1 month

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The epilogue animatic!! My heart!! Aaaaaaaa it made me start tearing up??? Like??? Its so bittersweet it hurts

#rwby #rwby epilogue #rwby epilogue animatic #rwby9 #rwby volume 9 #greenlight volume 10 #please i need to see how this series resolves #it cant end like this

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beetletricks · 10 months

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Possible Arcs for V10 based on the V9 Deleted Epilogue

People of Mantle<---Weiss doesn’t want to be defined by name and help them

Weiss<---- Jaune is good at optimism against negative attitude from other people besides himself(Cinder,Cardin, Ren, etc.), (only bad when used too much that its bottling in emotions)

Jaune<-----Ruby lifting him up regarding Penny’s death when helping Weiss

Ruby<----Oscar helping Ruby open up about Penny’s death

#ruby rose #oscar pine #jaune arc #weiss schnee #rwby9 #volume 9 #rwby10 #volume 10 #rtx #deleted epilogue #rwby spoilers

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greenteaandtattoos · 3 years

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So anyway, they emphasized Velvet's weapon running out of Dust in 'After the Fall', and she specifically was introduced to Starr, who I believe to be the current Summer Maiden, during the epilogue of 'Before the Dawn'.

What I'm trying to say is, Summer Maiden Velvet when, CRWBY?

#rwby #rwby spoilers #rwby9 hiatus #velvet scarlentina #summer maiden #after the fall #before the dawn #they introduced starr in a most interesting way #generally is characters are introduced in an epilogue that means they will have some importance in the future #plus starr has the unusual ability to sense the weather #you know who can manipulate the weather? maidens

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hiraganasakura · 3 months

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Hi so me being me I've decided to hyperanalyze the conversation Qrow and Raven had in Higanbana practically line by line bcus I have Many Thoughts and this is the best way I can think of to get them all out. If you can't tell I'm absolutely obsessed with these two. Btw.

Thanks to the RWBY wiki for providing transcripts for every episode, otherwise I definitely would have missed smth despite having just watched this scene recently lol

I put it under the read more for easier scrolling due to how long this post got!

I immediately noticed smth in the very first lines of the interaction:

Raven: "Hello, brother." Qrow: "...Raven."

You'll notice throughout the whole conversation that Raven never calls Qrow by his name, only condescendingly referring to him as "brother" this one time and never calling him anything else. Meanwhile, Qrow directly refers to Raven a total of three times throughout the conversation, and only one doesn't call Raven by her name (which we'll get to shortly)

On the other hand, Qrow doesn't bother with even so much as a greeting beyond simply stating Raven's name

It's different ways of communicating their distance. While Raven holds her relationship with Qrow over his head — never once, even outside of this scene, does she call him "brother" with affection iirc, only derision and condescension — Qrow doesn't seem to rly know how to greet her. He hesitates before saying her name and approaching her, as if trying to assess the situation before acting

Qrow: "So, what do you want?" Raven: "A girl can't just catch up with her family?" Qrow: "She can, but you're not. Now how 'bout we get on with it? Unless you plan on keeping these [drinks] comin'."

Again, Raven seems to bring up her familial ties with Qrow as a tactic to get him to do what she wants — in this case, stick around to talk to her despite him not seeming to rly want to. Frankly, it feels manipulative. We're gonna put a pin in this for now and come back to it in just a moment

Additionally, Qrow already knows that Raven's not just here for a friendly chat between two siblings, and sees right thru her facade that it is. Raven is here bcus she wants smth from him. But interestingly, it is Raven in V5 that says, in an almost frustrated/disappointed tone, "Family. Only coming around when they need something." There's another pin; keep both in mind

Raven: "Does she have it?" Qrow: "...Did you know Yang lost her arm?" Raven: "That's not—" Qrow: "Rhetorical question, I know you know. It's just obnoxious that you'd bring up family and then carry on like your own daughter doesn't exist." Raven: "I saved her." Qrow: "Once. Because that was your rule, right? Real 'Mom of the Year' material, sis."

Qrow dodges Raven's question about the Relic and instead brings up her hypocrisy in how she treats family. And it's a good point. Here she is lording her siblingship with Qrow over his head while simultaneously defending and upholding her rule that she is only obligated to help her own daughter a single time. Another pinpoint on our little conspiracy board

Also, here's the one time in this conversation Qrow refers to Raven as "sis". Like Raven's use of "brother", Qrow's use of "sis" is very pointed and with intent. But it's not to manipulate Raven, it's a snarky jab meant to rly hammer home Qrow's point

Raven: "I told you Beacon would fall, and it did. I told you Ozpin would fail, and he has. Now you tell me. Does. Salem. Have it?" Qrow: "I thought you weren't interested in all of that." Raven: "I just want to know what we are up against." Qrow: "And which 'we' are you referring to?"

A few things of note here. At some point in the past, Raven expressed an outright disinterest in Ozpin's inner circle, at least to Qrow. Qrow also feels excluded in the "we" Raven mentions being against Salem. To me, there seems to be a distinct possibility here that it wasn't that Raven felt personally disinterested in Ozpin's operations, but that she somehow felt excluded and feigned a lack of interest in order to protect herself. An idea that is further supported in my eyes by the following dialogue:

Qrow: "You should come back, Raven. The only way we'd beat her is by working together. All of us." Raven: "You're the one who left. The tribe raised us, and you turned your back on them." Qrow: "They were killers and thieves." Raven: "They were your family." Qrow: "You have a very skewed perception of that word."

And there it is. Raven's problem is laid out here for us, loud and clear: She feels like she was the one abandoned, not the one running away. She says it outright! "You're the one who left." To her, Qrow is the traitor, the one who left their family behind. If you ask Qrow (or, for that matter, Tai, Yang, and even Summer based on the scene in V9), it's the opposite

Bcus they have different definitions of family

Another thing to pin (I promise this will all become clear soon)

Raven: "I lead our people now. And as leader, I will do everything in my power to ensure our survival." Qrow: "I saw. The people of Shion saw, too." Raven: "The weak die. The strong live. Those are the rules." Qrow: "Well, you've certainly got someone strong on your side. I've seen the damage." Raven: "We couldn't have known the Grimm would set in as quickly as they did." Qrow: "I'm not talking about the Grimm. And I'm not talking about you, either."

Notice Raven's shift from "the tribe" to "our people". More of that guilt tripping!

Additionally, Raven is *obsessed* with rules. One save. The weak die, the strong live. Raven lives and breathes rules, even seemingly arbitrary ones. Guess what this is? Another pin!

Raven: "If you don't know where the Relic is, then we have nothing left to talk about." Qrow: "I don't know where the Spring Maiden is, either, but if you do, I need you to tell me." Raven: "And why would I do that?" Qrow: "Because without her, we're all going to die." Raven: "...And which 'we' are you referring to?"

Qrow's "either" here implies that he also doesn't know where the Crown of Choice is, which is... interesting. He's one of Ozpin's closest lieutenants, and is in the dark on where Beacon's Relic is? Wherever it is, it is such a closely kept secret that even Ozpin's best spy doesn't know where it is (maybe so that in the event Qrow gets captured by Salem he can't be forced into giving her the information?)

Meanwhile, Raven's "And why would I [tell you]?" implies that she does know who the Spring Maiden is (obviously. Raven's the Spring Maiden lol) but refuses to disclose to Qrow

A lantern sputters out after Qrow says "Without [Spring] we're all going to die." Now, I genuinely can't remember if this is headcanon or canon, but iirc Misfortune seems to act up when Qrow's upset. He's clearly tired of this little game of dancing around topics that Raven's been playing with him

And once again, Raven indicates a feeling of exclusion from Qrow's life in the iconic final line. She gets the final word in before leaving

We've finally reached the end of the conversation. Now what does all of this tell us?

And here is where all of those pins I wrote down are relevant. As I mentioned, the twins view family very differently

Qrow's view is pretty obvious: he views family as the ppl in his life who matter most to him. Unlike Raven, he does not view the tribe as family despite the fact that they raised him, disgustedly referring to them as "killers and thieves". It's implied that he was, in fact, neglected and/or likely abused by the Branwen tribe, saying in V6C4, "No one wanted me... I was cursed..." further explaining his distaste for them. Furthermore, despite not being related to Ruby by blood, they clearly consider one another family throughout the series, and he even seems closer to her than he seems to his niece who's actually blood related to him (I personally headcanon that he keeps more of a distance from Yang bcus she reminds him too much of Raven, who he feels abandoned and hurt by, but that's neither here nor there). Bloodlines and debts are secondary compared to loyalty, if they're considered at all. He is obviously furious that Raven only insists on saving Yang once and never directly interacting with her beyond that, despite Raven constantly guilting Qrow over abandoning his so-called "family" of the tribe. And yet. And yet. He still offers Raven a place back in his life, even if only to unite against Salem

Raven's view, to me, has been an enigma for a while. But after hyperanalyzing this conversation, after noting down all of those points of interest, I feel like I've finally cracked the code. Raven views family as an obligation, an exchange that always has an ulterior motive behind it. She seeks out Qrow only bcus she desires smth from him despite showing distaste when someone does the same to her; condescendingly calls Qrow "brother" more than his actual name and calls the tribe their "family" to try guilting him into doing what she wants; and feels fierce loyalty to the tribe but barely interacts with her daughter, only seeming to count one of the two as true family. She views the concept of family with cynicism and seems to feel an obligation to the tribe, as if she "owes" them for raising her

I think the two's perceptions of what defines family are all to do with the way the tribe treated both of them. This crosses a bit into headcanon territory, but as you can see by the above quotes and analysis, I rly don't think I'm just making it up entirely

As I already mentioned, I think it's implied that the Branwen tribe neglected/abused Qrow. In fact, we could probably blame their treatment of him for the deep self-loathing he has due to his "cursed" Semblance. But what about Raven?

Well, it's simple: I think she was abused, too, just in a different way. While Qrow was likely shown and told on a consistent basis that he was unwanted, unloved, undeserving of good things, Raven may have been shown and told she was wanted, loved, and deserving of good things... if she did what the tribe told her. If she repaid them for raising her and her brother, for being her "family". The way she uses her familial ties with Qrow as almost blackmail may be exactly the way the tribe treated her. Her obsession with following rules may stem from the fact that she had to follow the rules the tribe set for her in order to be accepted and deemed worth smth

As for her distance from Yang... honestly, I wonder if Raven is aware that Yang deserves better and keeps her distance as her way of doing that. When Summer confronts Raven in the V9 scene, Raven says, "...You're better at that life. Better than I was." She seems to have a fear and insecurity about being a good family member, a good mother, and maybe that's why she fled. Maybe she was scared of being like her abusers due to how she emulates them as a self-preservation tactic in so many other ways. Not entirely sure about this point tho

And I think too this is why the twins don't rly understand one another. They may have been unaware of the different ways in which the other was treated. Qrow, constantly unwanted and loathed, can't understand why Raven sticks around with the tribe; Raven, who obeyed the tribe and, in doing so, garnered enough of their favor to even eventually become leader, can't understand why Qrow can't just be "good", earn respect, and stay

This dissonance between the two experiences may also be completely intentional on the part of the tribe; abusers will often eliminate their targets' support systems in order to make them completely reliant on the abuser, so it's highly likely that the wedge was intentionally driven between the two siblings so that they could not find support in one another. This would also tie into why the twins seem to feel excluded from one another's lives and abandoned by one another: bcus they were made to feel that way by their common abusers, and did nothing to challenge these assumptions bcus they saw no reason to — and only seemed to keep proving one another right if they did

Which rly has some disturbing implications about how the Branwen tribe works. Like, do they just pick orphaned kids up off the street and abuse them into being perfect little bandits, molded to be of the greatest possible use and discarded if they're deemed worthless? Plus Qrow says his Semblance is how he got his name, which implies that the tribe also renames the kids they scoop up (possibly as a form of control or a way to make sure they can't be tracked down by any remaining family)? Plus there's the whole thing where Qrow and Raven were originally sent to Beacon to learn how to kill Huntsmen, which carries with it the implication that the Branwen tribe grooms literal orphan children into becoming stone-hearted murderers? What. The heck.

And if I'm right, if the Branwen tribe is that severely abusive, then like... wow, no wonder Qrow and Raven are Like That. They're both very deeply hurt people expressing it in different ways

I was considering adding their conversation at the Battle of Haven to this post, but I think that would be better as its own thing. Also I haven't gotten there on my rewatch yet so I may miss some details if I try to analyze it rn; it's better to wait overall methinks

But I have reached the point of my rewatch where we see Weiss and Whitley interact, and I think it would be very efficient to sum up what Qrow and Raven's relationship seems to be by using those siblings as a point of reference. Qrow = Weiss, actively trying to break free from and fight back against their abusers in different ways, while Raven = Whitley, continuing to do as their abusers want and have wanted as a method of self-preservation. Only, unlike Weiss and Whitley, Qrow and Raven have yet to come to a point where they can understand one another. I think that's a good way to briefly summarize the uh. Absolutely massive post this is.

In conclusion, I may have cracked the majority of the Branwen twins' pre-Beacon backstory purely by hyperanalyzing a single conversation. Oopsies

#original post #'hey hira why are you so obsessed with these two—' autism. i hope that answers your question!#ok but srsly. i've genuinely worked rly hard on this post for the past like. 3 days?#i didn't think it'd lead to me deducing all of this about the twins' pasts but here we are lol #this'll probably flop due to the length but like. i don't mind tbh! this is mostly to satisfy my own silly brain [affectionate] anyway #i'm genuinely looking forward to seeing them in v10 #since the storyboard for the scrapped v9 epilogue had raven in it #i hope they somehow reconcile and come to understand one another like weiss and whitley did #tho. i have a bad feeling that even if they do it will end in one (or both?) of them tragically dying before the other's eyes #but that's not rly relevant lol #anyhow i am not sry for inflicting you all with my branwen twin brainrot. it will happen again #i'm having sooo many thoughts on this rewatch and they just keep on coming #rwby #qrow branwen #raven branwen #branwen twins #rwby9 spoilers #i hope there's no glaring errors here. i read thru this post multiple times to be sure but it's so huge i may have missed smth irjnfbpbne

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autumnsorbet · 1 month

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Oscar

So I haven't really seen a lot of people talk about this since the new epilogues come out at least not yet since it just came out today maybe more people will talk about this over the coming weeks or years or so while we wait for Rwby volume 10

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But I want to talk about Oscar's color it's a lot of us know especially Oscar fans his main colors are white and orange ozpin are black and green

After volume 6 we see Oscar wearing green but it's still a light green a green that's not that off from the color of his aura Oscar and a sense is still representing himself and who he is and who he wants to be and the person he's become over the volume but I can't help but wonder how things are going to change as we go towards the other volumes as we got to see in the epilogue today we saw a big hints at what's happening with Oscar's

merge and as we know it seems like by the end of the volume it'll be complete which is something I've been theorizing for the past years that by the end of volume 10 their merge will be complete and we will be left on a cliffhanger is to who is still in control at the end unless they do a after credit scene where we do discover who it is somehow I don't know

But I also like how we got to see Oscar's color orange used here Oscar is also represented by the sun

Ruby is represented by the moon

as we've seen every other time we've seen Oscar at a certain point when the sun is in the horizon

Another thing I want to point out is the percentage of how far I thought the merge had gotten back in volume seven at the end I assumed that by Oscar Awakening the abilities and magic of eyes I figured maybe the merge was 50 to 70% complete but now I realize I'm wrong I believe it was possibly 80% and now it's at 90% and vacuole as we saw in the epilogue and both oz and Oscar are struggling with it

#rwby #rwby9 #vacuo #rwby10 #rwby Oscar #oscarpine #rwby pine Oscar #osçar pine #rwby epilogue v9 #rwby epilogue #oscar rwby #rwbyoscar

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youruinedmylifebynotbeingreal · 1 month

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Oh I am NOT okay rn

#rwby #rwby9 #rwby spoilers #rwby epilogue #personal

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autumnsorbet · 1 month

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I'm not sure if this is true or not it's just hearsay from what I've been told and from what I've seen a few people talk about but it was mentioned that one of the original plans for RWBY was to have 14 volumes not 12 like me and so many others have thought and if we actually managed to get this that would be so amazing do I think we would get this anytime soon no because I think it would be nice if

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we did get 14 volumes I've always said that because RWBY has so many characters we would need at least 14 or 15 volumes and if it's true that that's what crwby has planned for the future if we could possibly get it there are so many things that I would just love to see if that was possible because we do know at some point even though we found out today from the volume 9 epilogue that was

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made we found out that Salem went to jail which is a theory I've had and I'm glad to know that we at least know where Salem is where cinder is who knows she could come the vacuo or just stay there with Salem for all we know Salem got knocked out by cinder and sent to the ever after and we're never going to see her again till they do a spin-off book or a movie or something later on and cinder the final boss we got to fight

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But that's just wishful thinking I don't think that'll happen I think at the end we are going to have to see other heroes face Salem I know that they're struggling trying to get volume 10

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But after seeing this epilogue and how positive the fandom reacted to it after not really having any content for so long like literally a year and I know we had those crossover movies with the Justice League but now that we see that Warner Bros is selling the IP to Rwby off to someone else those

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movies still really irrelevant and aren't even really Canon or even Canon adjacent anymore if you think about it they're just a fun little crossover movie you can just look at if you feel like you don't know him now I guess

If 14 volumes is what the people working on arwby want and something I think even the fans will want I really hope that's something we could maybe get like I said there are so many possibilities because we're still in vacuole we don't know who the maiden is we haven't met Theodore we still have to go through everyone's arts we could take volume 10

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and 11 to figure that out 12 could be like a shorter volume where maybe it's eight episodes or 10 like volume nine was and they use that to travel and have the characters all understand and learn to work together and we get feelings and everything sorted out in that volume and then 12-14

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They go back to Vail they try to search for The relic maybe they have to go to another world similar to the ever after to look for The relic cuz that's how ozpin hide it and that could be another volume

I don't know I've always thought that 14 or 15 volumes will be good I'm really hoping we do get to finish this show at best I think we will honestly just need 13 we could spend volume 10 and 11 and vacuole 12 we go to beacon and then 13 we just used that for the rest of the character development and the wrap everything up or set up the spin-off series they're probably going to make I mean I'm joking about this now but wouldn't be shocked if it did so well at the end they tried to do a spinoff show XD

#vacuo #rwby #rwby9 #rwby10 #rwbyv10 #rwby epilogue

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