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icedteainthatbag · 7 months
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thinking about how i’m a real sucker for what i’m calling the “straight man-funny man” couple type (where one person’s serious and the other is a goofball and they’re best friends and the flirting is top notch)
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this is my comprehensive list thus far [i’d like further input please and thank you]
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missbostonbarmaid · 2 months
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A team
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nysocboy · 9 months
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Two Kelvin/Keefe Problems in Season 4
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Fans have to be worried about something, and with the Episode 3.8 kiss (and 138 previous queer codes) establishing the Kelvin x Keefe romance as canon, they are beginning to wonder what will happen to the guys in Season 4. No one has actually written a word of any Season 4 script yet, so we might not see anything until 2025, but here are the two main concerns:
How can Kelvin continue his involvement with the church?
The family seems completely supportive, and the leaders of the church seem to welcome LGBT people. Only three characters have ever made homophobic statements: Steven and May-May (who did not belong to the church), and Pontius (in Season 1). In the real world, about 50% of Protestants in the U.S. belong to denominations that permit gay clergy, and 75% of young evangelicals support gay marriage. You can specialize in queer theology at a number of seminaries.
I imagine that they'll just make it a non-issue, or maybe part of a plot arc with a bigoted outsider minister.
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Will the guys face Shipping Bed Death?
Shipping Bed Death is a TV Trope describing what happens when a show is centered on "will they or won't they?" or in the case of a same-sex pair, "are they or aren't they?" When they finally say "I love you" or have the climactic kiss, there's nothing left for them to do, and later seasons become snoozefests. The most common example is Sam and Diane on Cheers.
But The Righteous Gemstones is an ensemble show; the Kelvin/Keefe relationship is not nearly as central as Sam/Diane or Scully/Mulder. And it's never really been "are they or aren't they": it's been broadcast, loudly, every season. An occasional kiss will not make much difference.
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otaku-shipper · 2 years
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So. I have finally finished Cheers. To be clear on this though, after I finished season 5 I immediately jumped to the Finale episode because Diane's gone and for me, the show lost its charm when she left. (I tried watching the first episode of season 6 but it made me all the more heartbroken that I was watching a brunette instead of the scholarly blonde 😭).
Anyway. I never thought this comedy that I watched out of impulsive curiosity will generate a lot of thought! I'm so impressed! One major thing though that clarified everything for me is the ending and why Sam and Diane can never be together (it breaks my heart to say this because I ship them so hard).
Cheers is a place of consistency. It welcomes the everyday people who always stick to the same schedule day after day for the rest of their lives. In Norman's words, the benchwarmers. Norman kept losing and having a new job every now and then. Cliff, although a supervisor now, still lives with his mother and never has a girlfriend. Woody, although a Councilman, still works in the bar. Carla, the waitress, is always pregnant and angry. They are the "regulars" and "tenants" of the bar. Notice how also these words interplay and allude to the kind of lives they live.
Cheers (the bar itself and the show) don't criticize these people. It accepts and tolerates them. It doesn't even give them the pressure to be "something" other than what they already are and being on a stool with a glass at the end of the day. Cheers is the status quo and it rejects anyone who isn't a part of it.
Diane on the other hand was the figurative and literal "outsider". She has loftier dreams, is overly educated, and everything the regulars are not. It was her who had to adjust and blend with their ways, never the other way around. For 5 years these people have been with her, they have never developed any form of fondness or kinship with her. When she left, nobody was sad except for Sam. When she came back, nobody was thrilled either. Diane tried to influence them with her art and manners but to no avail. Because this is Cheers! And Diane who's always looking around the riverbed can never belong to that place. She is never meant to stay in Cheers. Isn't it symbolic that she left in a plane, "taking flight"? And she described her character so well in the Finale:
"...lift from the ground, leaving far beneath us the tedium of ordinary life to soar into the bright, unlimited future."
The tedium of ordinary life is Cheers. And that's where Same belongs. It's his true love. But it cannot be the ground Diane Chambers will grow. Her kind will only be stifled there. She at least owes it to herself to take flight.
I knew the kind of ending Diane and Sam have even before finishing the show. It was disappointing to me at first. Why can't the writers make or imply that Sam and Diane are married? They can still stay in Boston, and Diane can still write. But after the Finale, I finally understood where the writers were going with this. I applaud them for it. They stuck to their main theme and made justice to their characters for this to become a good story. From a writing perspective, it truly is the best ending.
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kidcataldo · 1 year
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when I was like 12 and obsessed with Cheers the tv show, I absolutely hated the finale of Diane coming back and sam and Diane both pretending to have moved on by being married and having lots of kids. I liked the concept, I just think it could have been done so much better. So hear me out:
Everything is the same. Sam talks to Diane on the phone, lies and says he’s moved on. Married with a bunch of kids. So Diane does the same. (Like I think it happened in the original?)
Then Diane arrives, she’s with her gay dog groomer(?), whatever. And Sam has Rebecca pretend to be his wife. All that’s the same. But Diane brings along a little boy about six, says it’s her and her husband’s son. Everything mostly happens like it did in the original, except now there’s a little boy.
Rebecca gets with the plumber dude (?) and we discover Diane’s “husband” is gay. They laugh about going such lengths to make the other jealous.
Finally Sam asks, he has to know, “where’d you get the kid from? Snatch him from toys r us or something?” And that’s when Diane gets quiet. That’s when she gets serious. “He’s mine, actually. Big baseball fanatic. Flirtatious with the girls on the playground…” And Sam slowly realizes, but she helps by pushing further: “a lot like his father.” Sam is too stunned to speak, diane thinks he’s not getting it: “he’s your son, sam”
“to be continued” and ending credits
Part 2, again, is the same as it was originally. They’re back together, getting married, and he decides he’s leaving with her. Everybody at the bar hates it, like in the original, but it’s different. Now there’s a kid involved. Now there’s actual stakes, actual responsibility
Like how it originally ended, they ultimately decide they shouldn’t get back together and Sam returns to the bar. Except he doesn’t return right away, he leaves with them to California (?) to spend time with the kid and has everybody at the bar think he’s gone for good until he pops up like a few weeks later like, “yeah, it didn’t work out”
He mentions about visiting the kid every few months, and having him during summers. Everybody forgives him for making them think he abandoned them, and they drink to sam’s newfound fatherhood
Carla, of course, fusses over having diane back in her life. “She’s not back in our lives, Carla. You heard sam, she’s staying in California,” Norm assures. “Yeah, with her kid. Sam’s son, the future of this bar.” Everyone, including sam, lets out a very unenthused “oh”
Anyway, the show ends. And then maybe I would have Sam’s appearance in Frasier later on deal with something about his son, instead of the fleeing from marriage storyline
That’s it, that’s what I would change. Or, that’s what 12 year old me would change ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Look, obviously I knew that Fraiser as a character started on Cheers and then went on to have his own show (which they're actually bringing back soon btw). I also knew that he would probably show up soon since I know that Kelsey Grammer has played the character for a record-breaking number of years (can't remember the number off the top of my head). What I wasn't expecting was that he would be DIANE'S FIANCÉE!? And that they met when she was INSTITUTIONALIZED AFTER HER RELATIONSHIP WITH SAM FELL APART!? What the actual fuck!? This is the smartest character in your show, even you've said it, and this is the way you treat her? The misogyny and sexism here is DEEP.
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mylittleredgirl · 5 months
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a They Deserve Each Other shipping scale where on one end of the axis you have the “no one else is good enough for them” ships, and on the other end you have the ships that need to be together monogamously forever as a quarantine measure. whatever the fuck is wrong with both of them must be contained for the greater good.
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somethinginred29 · 6 months
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I thought of a plot bunny today.
Frasier had a talk show in Chicago between the end of Frasier and the beginning of the revival.
What if he somehow got Sam and Diane on his show without the other knowing, they started fighting, it went viral and that's one of the reasons his talk show became a sensation.
If you want to use this plot bunny, go ahead and run with it please!
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s6ullys · 7 months
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posted a little cheers (specifically samdiane) fic chapter on ao3 ! hope you enjoy <3
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yarboyandy · 4 months
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The Slayer and her Watcher.
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yung-sriracha · 2 months
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Cheers 2x05 ❝ Sumner's Return ❞
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semioticapocalypse · 1 year
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Diane Arbus. Max Maxwell Landar, Uncle Sam
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Oh, well, birthday wishes don't count if you don't have a cake.
Crimes of the Heart (1986) — dir. Bruce Beresford
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b4sically-ficti0n · 4 months
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I'm rewatching The Lost Boys again and I just noticed something. In the very beginning of the movie showing the Emersons arriving in Santa Carla, Lucy helps some homeless kids. She sees them dumpster diving and gives some money to Sam to give them. She tells Sam to tell them they should get some food. I'm assuming she figured that since Sam was more their age, Sam would be less likely to scare them off.
And you can see when Sam gives the kids the money how thankful they are! And I just thought it was really sweet!
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otaku-shipper · 2 years
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I need someone to scream about Cheers with!!! I just watched the last episode of season 5 and they have no right to make me this sad. It’s supposed to be comedy!!! But I’m heartbroken everything is ahdjddhadokakasjkajdiesnndakalakdhiwkaa 😭😭😭
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literaryspinster · 2 months
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Gen V characters who kind of remind me of other characters (in a good way)
Marie Moreau reminds me of Diane Nguyen
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Wants desperately to be a good person (because she is), empathetic sometimes to her own detriment, has a tendency to just casually say the deepest shit you've ever heard.
Jordan Li reminds me of Paris Gellar
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Fiercely competitive, acerbic, more sensitive than what meets the eye, definitely a lesbian but also not really (it's complicated)
Cate Dunlap reminds me of Amy Dunne
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Emotionally neglected, stands for something (although perhaps in not the healthiest of ways), she kind of sucks but you can't help stanning anyway
Sam Riordan reminds me of Ken
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Part of a privileged class but in a situation where it doesn't really matter, quick to adopting the most extreme pov possible because he knows no better, cute but also a menace to society
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