#she hulk critical

[thetimelordbatgirl]

She Hulk really was the show that was like: “If a women does it, it’s okay!” Like, Jen sexualised Captain America to the point that she...basically acted like it would be a shame if he died as a virgin cause he was hot (show being casually acephobic there), but it’s okay! Cause Jen is a women and Captain America is a hot male character! Let’s ignore how it’d look if this was a male character doing this to a female character.  Jen basically catfished on Tindor when she failed to get dates as Jen, so she proceeded to get dates as She Hulk and sleep with the person, acting surprised in the morning that the person isn’t happy to see Jen instead of She Hulk, the person they assumed they were dating/sleeping with. But again, it’s okay, cause She Hulk is a women and its a male character she did this to. Let’s again, ignore the implications if the genders were swapped.  And in finale, Jen basically proceeds to break the fourth wall to go to our reality and alter the finale in so many ways that will benefit her...including bringing Matt Murdock back into the show for no other reason then....her having needs and joking about smashing him and despite him having gone home after his last appearence in the show, he believes due to Jen’s altering of the show’s writing via K.E.V.I.N, that he was helping Jen with the bad guys and doesn’t question being introduced as Jen’s boyfriend to her family. Meaning Jen gets what she wants while Matt Murdock is unaware of everything, including Jen playing god for him to come back, just so she can smash him again and shit.  But again....according to the show, it’s okay cause Jen is a women and somehow it’s relatable. 

Like, MCU Phase 4 has already been questioanble in areas with how if this was a women, it wouldn’t happen situations, but She Hulk really pushed it with how if it was a male character doing everything Jen did to female characters, it wouldn’t be considered okay but MCU thinks girl power is female characters doing this shit to male characters. 

#anti mcu #mcu critical #she hulk critical #credit to jlongbone for pointing out the catfishing thing in she hulk #cause like....that technically was what jen did #but remember: its okay...cause she's a women

[firelordgrantham]

hot take: being a good guy is not something that happens because the author decided you were a good guy, but because of your actions.

if the main character abuses other characters, whether they are supporting characters, love interests, or even vilains, MC is not a good guy.

if MC belittles other characters, particularly people with low self-esteem, whatever their place in the plot, MC is not a good guy.

if MC twists other people's backstory or trauma and makes it about themselves to explain how they had it harder than the other, they are not a good guy.

now tho, all of those have this slight amendment:

if the MC has no way to exist but through abusing or belittling other characters, and has no way to be deep and interesting but to take other people's backstory and explain why theirs is even more tragic... then the author sucks at writing characters with depths.

#totally vagueposting about #the loki series critical #she hulk critical #anti she hulk #anti loki series #anti mcu #there surely are way more examples than that but it's a beginning

[ceterisparibus116]

Soo, how do you feel about She-hulk's finale?

oh, gosh. 😂

Jen taking control of her own story was EXCELLENT...in theory. In practice? I have two issues (one of which has two sub-issues).

The first issue is lack of setup. The second issue is...well, we'll get to the second issue.

With regard to setup, ask yourself this: what was the conflict introduced in Episode 1? A good story will hook readers with the main conflict (or at least hints of the main conflict) early on.

For example, in Daredevil, the third (3rd!) scene introduces the problem of human trafficking, which is being orchestrated by Fisk. The first episode continues to show us hints of Fisk's operations. Fisk's threat, and the threat of the other villains, even gets its own montage at the end of the first episode.

We also get hints, from the beginning, of Matt's internal conflict. In the second (2nd!!) scene, we see him wrestling with guilt as he asks for forgiveness for what he's "about to do." In the fourth (4th!!!) scene, we see hints of conflict between him and Foggy, as he lies to Foggy about what he was up to the night before. The lying comes up again with Karen, when Matt saves her in the mask without revealing his identity.

So by the end of the first episode of Daredevil, we have a good understanding of the external conflict (dealing with Fisk) and Matt's internal conflict (reconciling his morality and his choices, and lying to his friends).

Contrast this with She-Hulk. What conflicts do we see hinted at in the first episode of She-Hulk? We see her dealing with the effects of being a Hulk, we see her feeling misunderstood by Bruce about what being a Hulk means for her, and we see her desire to not have to transform into a Hulk, and the episode ends highlighting just how much her life is about to change now that she's gone public as a Hulk.

Where, in the first episode (...or the second episode, or the third...) do we get a hint that actually no, the conflict of She Hulk is whether Jennifer is in control of her own show?

The only thing I can think of are her remarks to the camera about "Don't forget whose show this is." But this, this, this is in the context of cameos. Cameos that aren't even a bother to Jennifer, except to the extent that fans get distracted by them and stop caring about her. In other words, it's not Jennifer resisting the writing. It's a conflict over a potential response from fans.

Once in a while, you get more pointed comments about the writing (such as when she was surprised to find that the episode with Matt didn't end after their night together), but at least at the beginning, during that crucial set-up period, the show absolutely did not convince me that Jennifer's conflict would be with the writers.

And...okay, just think about how awesome that would've been.

Like, imagine this: instead of Jennifer being frankly quite selfish with her powers (her "haha I'm so lucky I don't have to wear headphones at night unlike other women" comment is actually disgusting given that she didn't bother to go protect other women from the danger she was celebrating escaping), imagine a Jennifer who got her powers and immediately wanted to use them to help other people...only to find herself thwarted by demands of the plot. She keeps trying to circumvent it, only for the writing to get in her way again and again. Maybe initially she doesn't see it as anything insidious, but as time goes on, she starts to realize the writers are doing everything in their power to force her to just be a lawyer, and not help people as a Hulk.

Wouldn't that: a) make Jennifer a much more likeable and admirable character; b) give the finale much more impact; and c) give us a consistent conflict that could shift and expand over the course of all the episodes?

Okay, moving on. The other issue is more straightforward.

There's this thing in writing called "lampshading." Lampshading is when you call out potential flaws or hard-to-believe aspects of your own writing. The purpose of this is to reassure your audience that you, the storyteller, understand when something feels a little wonky. This is important for maintaining trust between the storyteller and the audience. The audience needs to believe that the storyteller can tell a good story, and that requires the storyteller to be able to recognize when parts of a story are a little...not great.

There are two problems with She-Hulk's use of lampshading.

First, lampshading is always dangerous. It always breaks the audience's immersion and reminds them that they're watching (or reading, etc.) a story that was written by someone else. Now, good lampshading does so strategically, often in order to maintain pacing or perhaps for comedic effect. The point is not to linger on whatever is being lampshaded; you acknowledge it because you must, and you move on as quickly as possible, so that the audience can get immersed again as soon as possible.

What you must never do when lampshading is lampshade something ridiculous that's key to your story. Because this will suspend your audience's belief in something that's key to your story.

Honestly, I think Defenders made this same mistake. Having Jessica highlight the absurdity of the Hand ninja stuff was actually having Jessica highlight the absurdity of the plot. Now instead of the audience laughing at some weird shenanigans in the story, we're laughing at the plot. Not great.

But at least Defenders had the respect for its audience and its storytelling required to not make fun of the climax - the heart of the story. Matt's self-sacrificial love for Elektra is "played straight" (as in, not lampshaded), and the emotional reactions of characters like Foggy, Karen, and Claire are likewise allowed to feel heavy and real - without any interjections to laugh about how weird the ninja stuff was.

She-Hulk, by contrast, lampshaded the absurdity of its own climax. Or, sort of. We got a second climax in her debate with Kevin. But the pre-climax, at least, was lampshaded horribly. The writers called out every sloppy writing choice they made in that moment. And this made me take a step back, metaphorically, from the whole story - including Jen. I had to ease back into the story during her debate with Kevin. But the impact of the debate with Kevin hinges in part on the audience feeling bad for Jennifer in having to deal with the sloppy writing. But by lampshading it, I no longer feel like I'm in the story with Jen feeling bad for her...I'm outside of the story, watching the bizarreness, and going "What the heck."

Imagine if, instead, the problem with the climax hadn't been terrible writing per se. Imagine if the problem hadn't been characters coming out of nowhere (like Tatiana and Bruce) and causing chaos. Imagine if instead, the climax had been generally feasible, with real emotional stakes...and the only "problem" was that Jennifer was saved by a man (like Bruce...who was there for legitimate reasons that were set-up earlier in the episode or, ideally, in a previous episode). Imagine if in that context, Jennifer goes and talks to Kevin and is like, "Wait, no. I'm saving myself. Also, I don't need a physical fight with scum. I'm going to beat them in court. Thanks, bye."

That would still give her that moment she needs of standing up to her creators, but it wouldn't require that moment to stand on the very wobbly shoulders of...well, sheer chaos in the scenes leading up to it.

The second issue with lampshading is just...ugh.

If you're self-aware enough to call bad writing what it is, shouldn't you also be self-aware enough to not write it that badly in the first place?

Frankly, it felt so lazy to me. As if the writers wrote something they knew was trash, and then called themselves ingenious for acknowledging it was trash. No, the ingenious thing would have been to write something that wasn't trash in the first place.

...Which they could have done so easily if Jennifer's conflict with the writers had been set up properly in the beginning.

And that's my rant.

#she hulk #she hulk spoilers #jennifer walters #mcu critical #she hulk critical #daredevil #writing

[possibleplatypus]

I just saw this article and I'm somehow even more disappointed.

But it turns out no one warned Captain America himself that a very personal piece of his history was about to be broadcast to the world. "I laughed my ass off," Ruffalo tells EW. "I'm like, 'Does someone need to talk to Captain America about this?' I haven't. I was afraid he was going to have it cut. Too late now, buddy. The cat's out of the bag."

Like... yes? He would have it cut because it's such bullshit? The fact that Chris who genuinely cares about Steve and who played that character for ten years wouldn't approve should've been an indicator.

Reducing Steve to jokes about his virginity is such a cheap shot. Avoiding that Sam is Captain America is too. I don't even know anymore.

My friend.... this is really funny, because I also just read this article today, and I was all geared up to write a rant about it when you popped into my inbox 😂

This is one of the most asinine articles I've ever read 🤣🤣🤣 and I've read quite a few in regards to certain characters in the MCU.

First to address your point about Chris Evans-- I do feel pretty bad for him. I think he genuinely connected to and cared about Steve Rogers as a character. From the interviews in which he talks about Steve, and particularly Steve's relationship with Bucky, I can tell he really put a lot of thought into Steve's heart and frame of mind, and I think he really made MCU Steve Rogers his. Certainly any new film incarnations of Steve will be measured up against Chris' interpretation, haha.

It's just... I don't think Chris would have wanted Steve to be disrespected like this. Ruffalo himself said he thought Chris would have put a stop to it. So it's distasteful that everyone would just go ahead and make obsessing over Steve's virginity a big part of Jennifer's character while laughing at it all the while. (I can't read Chris Evans' mind-- maybe he doesn't care, though I like to think he does.) As a big fan of Steve, Disney has not failed to disappoint me time after time, and this is just the icing on the cake.

And Sam, our new Captain America! Why does the MCU seem to forget that they have a new Captain America? Is it because they're spending all their energy marketing another Captain? 🤔 You'd think he would be of more note to a Manhattan lawyer's mind since he stopped freedom fighters antifa terrorists from killing the GRC members? Hell the Hollywood Reporter forgot and Chris had to remind them. I do feel bad for Anthony Mackie. 🤦 Silver lining-- at least She Hulk isn't obsessing over Sam's virginity??

And yes, I do agree that reducing Steve to jokes about his ass and virginity are a cheap shot. And it shows how puerile and insipid the MCU has become. They have nothing of note to say and they grab for anything that they think is funny, to the point of making jokes of their most beloved characters. I know they're aiming for the widest audience imaginable, including kids, but that doesn't mean they need to write like high schoolers (though tbh I know fanficcers in high school that write better than these guys). What mature adult honestly gives a such a huge crap about whether or not a (thought to be) deceased public figure and national hero had sex?

The first paragraph had me rolling my eyes already:

Jennifer Walters is the hero we all deserve, because in the very first episode of She-Hulk: Attorney at Law, she finally gets to the bottom of one of Marvel's biggest mysteries: Did Captain America die a virgin?

And it just gets worse.

As She-Hulk continues, viewers can expect to see more hilarious, meta, and, yes, horny moments like this. "The horniness! That stuff is my favorite," Maslany says with a laugh. She loved how Jen is obsessed with Captain America's virginity because "it's the human side of him, the real side, the thing that she would [relate to]."

You're telling me that Jennifer Walters, a lawyer whose opening scene showed her practicing her closing argument for a case against powerful business interests that caused the deaths of innocent people-- that Jennifer Walters, who was standing up for the little guy-- that this strong, compassionate woman, is "obsessed" with Captain America's virginity of all things because it's the "human, real" side of him that she would relate to?? Not the side of him that stood up against bullies at great detriment to his own well-being, even before he had the serum? Not the side of him that curled over a grenade to protect his fellow soldiers? The side that went into a Nazi death camp solo to rescue his best friend (and hundreds of other POWs) when the army left them for dead? The side of him that leveled a Nazi-infested US intelligence agency? The side of him that did exactly what she was shown to be doing right at the beginning of her own show??

I think @luna-rainbow said it best-- "to reduce “the human side of Steve” (or anyone, for that matter) to whether or not they fucked…is seriously superficial, intrusive and just pathetic."

But the actress admits she had no idea this was something Marvel fans have been wondering for years, adding, "I love that that's how everybody's thinking. In that vein of that question, there's a lot more Easter eggs like that throughout the season. There's something later that's a really great moment with a cameo that I won't say what happens, but it's basically like a walk of shame that's really funny."

I shudder to imagine what horrors await us.

And if any fans are wondering how credible Bruce's intel is, the debate can be put to rest: This is officially the true story of how Captain America lost his virginity. "We didn't set out thinking that we were going to be able to answer it," Gao tells EW. "It used to just be a running joke, that it's going to be a lifelong obsession for Jen, that this is the one thing that keeps her awake at night. It actually used to be in the show a lot more, where in every episode there would be some little reminder, like you'd see that her search history was this, and she was always in asides talking to other characters where everybody's reaction was like, 'She's talking about this again.'"

You're kidding me right? Does nobody on this team see how creepy it is for a grown woman to be obsessed lifelong with a dead man's sex life? Compare it to a random male character obsessing every night over whether or not Natasha had been a virgin when she died. And for this to be the thing that keeps her awake at night? Out of all the things she's experienced??

But then Gao got the definitive answer — and permission to use it — from Marvel's mastermind. "It was actually Kevin Feige who said, 'I know the answer. I can tell you. We can do the answer,'" Gao recalls. "And I was like, 'You have the answer, and we can tell everyone?' And he was like, 'Yeah.' So this is Marvel canon. This is straight from Kevin Feige."

SO IT WAS YOU, KEVIN FEIGE!!! Honestly when I read this I almost felt relieved. If it's Feige's own fatuous headcanon, I can ignore it. Why does the status of Steve Rogers' virginity take up so much of his headspace that he feels the need to insert it into a show that has nothing to do with him? And they were going to have it in every episode? Why?! PLEASE tell me they aren't doing that anymore. I don't want anyone in the MCU to ever utter Steve's name again.

#asks answered #she hulk #she hulk critical #steve rogers #kevin feige is such a creep #marvel meta #chris evans #disney keep steve rogers' name out of your mouth 2022 #long post #kevin feige stop creeping on steve 2022 #kevin feige goes to bed at night rubbing his hands and cackling about how he can ruin more beloved characters #mcu

[lunarspiral1127]

So, that was She-Hulk.....yeah, it sucked.

Once again, the MCU released another show that was incredibly disappointing. But, this takes the cake when it came to finales. My god, there's so much wrong in this show that others have explained this better than I could. This is one of the worst MCU shows I've ever seen. Is it worse than Loki? I don't know, but it's pretty up there! It's definitely worse than Ms. Marvel. And it sucks, cause I love She-Hulk. The actors did their best to what they were given so they're not to blame.

Daredevil, Wong and Abomination were the best parts of the entire show, the main supporting cast (as much as I like Pug, Nikki, Mallory, and the parents) are just about supporting Jen like that's their whole purpose, the main antagonist and his goals were so stupid, the butchering of several characters and groups like Mr. Immortal, The Wrecking Crew, Intelligencia and Titania, most of the men are written as idiots, sexists, or incompetent jerks (with an exception of a few) in this show and that this show brings up plenty of double standards that have went on in this show. Like, Jen having photos of Steve Rogers' butt and back or her talking about whether or not he had sex, while mentioning his butt again. Not to mention, as I said before, she wants Daredevil to come back in the finale cause she has needs and she even made a joke about smashing Daredevil. She just wanted to bang him again. So, that's totally okay? What if the genders were swapped? Would it be okay then?!

There's also the whitewashing of an original black character that not many talk about because people were distracted with the twerking scene that happened in the same episode. Mentioning the Sokovia accords being gone in only a sentence but not knowing what was the cause of them being repealed or not even building it up, since we had a freaking movie where these accords played a factor in breaking the Avengers up.

And there's a lot more but other have explained it better than I can. I'll also say that most of the comedy wasn't good, this whole show was badly written, and the Daredevil episode was the best episode out of the nine. Alright, I'm done now.

#anti marvel #anti she hulk #anti mcu #anti marvel cinematic universe #she hulk critical #mcu critical #mcu criticism #mcu salt #marvel criticism #marvel critical

[mywingsareonwheels]

I def agree with the B part of your Steve argument, but there’s a huge issue with the fandom assuming Steve having sex with a girl = him being straight. I’ve seen so many people blatantly acting as if bisexuality/pansexuality doesn’t exist, which isn’t surprising because bisexual/pansexual erasure is a huge thing in this fandom from my experience (ie. Valkyrie being referred to as a lesbian when she is canonically bi.). But if people think Steve having sex with a girl means he could NEVER be attracted to or in love with Bucky, Tony, whatever man they ship him with…that’s an issue that needs called out.

Hello anon!

First of all, I'm bi myself and have experienced bi erasure personally for oooh, nearly 30 years now. So I very much relate to your frustration in general, my goodness do I. <3

And I do absolutely agree that bi erasure can be a problem in the MCU fandom, as in all places. See also ace erasure, in fact, which is also a factor here. However, I don't think that that's what's happening in this case and I know it's not what I'm doing, because we're not talking about whether Steve having sex with a girl = Steve is entirely straight. We're talking about whether the MCU, specifically, constantly reiterating Steve's apparent sexual relationships with women (often in a really crass and intrusive and clumsy and ableist way, as in She Hulk) while actively undermining or even denying earlier established platonic closeness with male characters (especially Bucky) is intended to demonstrate his straightness to viewers. And yes, I think that absolutely is their intention. Especially since they do appear to have actively wrecked Steve's character arc and development (and character, frankly) simply because they were... feeling some way or other about the popularity of the stucky ship. Which is pathetic of them, but there you have it; homophobia and biphobia *are* pathetic.

If the MCU were wanting to affirm Steve's possible biness as opposed gayness, I'd be absolutely here for that[1]. But... well. Do you think that's really what they're doing, dear anon? Truly?

[1] In a way that I wouldn't be with Bucky, I note, given that they gave him the backstory of a specifically gay Jewish character (Arnie Roth) and oh yes I *am* angry that they then keep trying to persuade us he's a heterosexual gentile...

#asks #mcu critical #marvel critical #stucky #steve rogers #bucky barnes #she hulk critical #homophobia discussion #biphobia discussion #acephobia mention #aphobia mention #antisemitism mention

[sallyb-sin]

#anti she hulk #she hulk critical #she hulk

[breckstonevailskier]

My favorite parts:

"After that time she went full Targaryen with her cousin, she'll become She-Hulk, a lawyer committed to greenwashing her firm's new image, but don't worry if you're not into those lawyer shows, it's mostly about this beautiful rich woman's impossible quest to find a good man. Eww, just imagine if Tatiana Maslany could cover your rent and turn into a hotter version of herself; it's gross just to think about it. Bleh!" 

"But after seven episodes of foreplay, we finally get to meet one of the good ones: Daredevil. Charlie Cox returns as the hero everyone wants in their hallway; he's got the look, he's got the skills, and the Man Without Fear... is clearly not afraid of keeping his identity secret at all." "Want a gripping legal drama that relies on the lawyers' brilliant minds and the quirks of the American court system? Better Call Saul! But if you're looking for a show with more of an Ace Attorney approach, then Better Send Jen, where the cases feel made-up on the fly, resolve in an instant, and the judges don't give a sh*t. Because according to the showrunner, writing a good lawyer show is hard. You couldn't have, I don't know... hired writers from, like, good legal shows? Just spitballing here."

“Law and Ogre: Super Victims Unit *CHUNG-CHUNG*

#youtube #she-hulk #she-hulk critical #she hulk critical #she-hulk negativity #she hulk negativity #anti she-hulk #anti she hulk #mcu salt #she-hulk: attorney at law

[inkoutsidethelines]

I am still bothered by the way She-Hulk made Jennifer get all fixated on Steve’s sex life.  It’s none of her business.  She’s never even met him!  They’re not friends!  It has absolutely nothing to do with her!

And it also irks me that she acted like it was a shameful thing, if he did die a virgin?  Like it would be some great embarrassing tragedy?  It’s not a tragedy, and not her business.

Also I don’t get why Bruce didn’t just tell her that Steve didn’t die fighting Thanos, he went back in time and got married.  I get keeping the time travel stuff secret from the general public, but there doesn’t seem to be a particular reason not to tell Jennifer the truth?  If he did, it would a) correct misinformation Jennifer had about Steve’s fate, b) implicitly answer her question by telling her Steve got married, c) avoid revealing personal details we have no indication Steve would have been okay with sharing.

#ink watches #she hulk #mcu critical #she hulk critical #it felt more like the writers wanted to force their headcanon about steve to be canon #rather than being anything that actually added to the show itself

[demigodofhoolemere]

Trying to understand this…

The mind stone is used in Avengers and Age of Ultron to control people’s actions and make them think they want to do these things, while part of them suffers inside but can’t stop it. We as an audience all agree this is a bad thing and the narrative frames it as a bad thing. Clint, Helen Cho, and others are rightfully horrified and violated. This one is a given.

Kilgrave used his powers of control to make countless people do whatever he asked, particularly to make women sleep with him and make them think they want it, while part of them suffers inside but can’t stop it. We as an audience all agree this is a bad thing and the narrative frames it as a bad thing. Jessica and others are rightfully horrified and violated and it’s a triumph when he’s defeated because he was a monster for altering people’s wills to suit him.

Wanda used her powers to brainwash a whole town and control what they do like hostage puppets, while part of them suffers inside but can’t stop it. We as an audience can sympathize with her pain but nevertheless can all agree that this is a bad thing, and the narrative treats it similarly. The townspeople are rightfully horrified and violated, and Wanda has to correct herself and let go of her own desires for the sake of innocent people who don’t deserve to be controlled like this. She learns her lesson and goes into solitude somewhere. (Let’s just forget about her continued story in DS2 for a moment because she seems to forget having learned her lesson there. Thanks DS2.)

So it’s generally accepted that it’s wrong to control the actions of others and have them do anything against their will, yes? This wasn’t under dispute?

And yet. Jen breaks the fourth wall so hard she goes to the writers and has them change a bunch of things, including ripping Matt out of his home that he just got back to and having him literally fall from the sky back into her life because she “has needs”. From what I’ve seen, he doesn’t seem too aware of things having changed; he thinks he’s come to help her take out the bad guy and sounds kinda like he thought he was just around the corner to be able to help in the first place. He doesn’t appear to question why he’s there or what just happened to him. I’m gonna go by that and assume he has no idea that things are any different than before and that he thinks he’s still chosen to be there the whole time. Jen clearly intends to get a boyfriend out of this rewrite, having him join her family gatherings and making comments to the camera about “smashing” him. Given that he seems unaware of any of this, it calls into question his actual level of control here, because it gives off the impression that he’s only there doing these things because she’s had him be written to do so. If that’s the case, as it seems to be, it makes it feel more like he’s a hostage to her desires than a boyfriend.

So.

Jen uses her ability to control the writing to make Matt come back for the express purpose of being with her. This rewrite makes it clear that Jen is definitely getting it on with him and plans to keep him around. He is treated like an object to fulfill her “needs” rather than a person and it’s unclear whether any part of him is internally aware of being altered and controlled by writing or if he 100% completely thinks that he’s choosing to do any of this. Another human being’s power of choice is removed for no other reason than because she’s got the hots for him and it suited her to make him stay and play boyfriend for her.

And the audience… thinks this is fun and relatable, apparently? I’m seeing a lot of ‘girl me too’ and ‘YEAH get it Jen’ type of responses to this. The narrative appears to frame it exactly the same way.

I’m aware that I’m taking this far more seriously than they ever intended (though this show seems allergic to seriousness anyway so the bar was low to begin with), but seriously, why is this okay? If the exact same scenario happened with a male character being the one to forcefully write a woman back into his life so he could sleep with her, what would the reaction be then? The double standards of the show were already clear and kind of appalling (men objectifying women = bad, as it should be, but Jen objectifying men repeatedly and to kind of an insane degree = totally cool apparently), but this is a really glaring example.

RIP to comic Jen’s personality for being replaced with someone who spends her whole series being unlikable in so many different ways, and uh, can someone go rescue Matt, please?

#marvel #marvel streaming #marvel critical #she hulk #she hulk critical #me: ugh i have to stop thinking about this show because it’s just making me negative and it’s pointless #also me: ANOTHER THING

[thetimelordbatgirl]

The fact that She Hulk finale basically had Jen want Daredevil brought back only so that she can bang him again/date him, and acted like it was okay She Hulk basically played God in getting what she wants with a boyfriend who has no choice in the matter, really is gross when you realize if the genders were swapped here...

#anti mcu #mcu critical #she hulk critical #she hulk spoilers #honestly this finale was a dumpster fire but the fourth wall break thing is the most dumpster fire moment yet #it wasnt funny it was just showing mcu is aware of its issues including its treatment of the vfx artists #but instead of fixing them the show mocks all these issues via this scene #and jen is allowed to play god cause she whines about this being her show at bruce showing up #and basically gets what she wants with matt being dropped off randomly so she can introduce him as bofyriend to her family #cause...girl power is playing god and having a guy be brought back only so you can date and smash him

[bones-sprouts]

also the fact that everyone talking about it is treating it like jen is a real human being in the real world as opposed to a character created by marvel to make money is fascinating to me. everything is 'she shouldnt shake her ass' 'shes allowed to do whatever she wants' GUYS. SHE ISNT REAL. STOP ANALYZING THIS AS IF ITS A REAL THING AND START ANALYZING IT AS A TV SHOW. this being said as a tv show its very weird to me that it is shot in a very male gazey way and there is a literal close-up of her ass. marvel is so performative it is driving me crazy i cannot stand it

#she hulk critical #for the she hulk fans following me??? i guess

[hatsampixie]

My reaction to that tw*rking scene in that She Hulk series:

Thanos should start a GoFundMe, I’m starting to think he was onto something.

#thanos #mcu #she hulk critical #cringe #she hulk series

[possibleplatypus]

Steve rogers is not real y’all need to relax

Oh boy 😂

At first I thought anon was a Disney stan or casual MCU fan who doesn’t want to see MCU criticism...

And then I thought maybe anon is concerned about my mental health since I can sound a little unhinged (though I prefer the term “passionate”) in my posts...

After thinking about it I’m pretty sure anon is the former, but just in case you’re the latter, I assure you, I’m fine. The stuff I post on Tumblr really has no effect on me in my life outside of Tumblr. I never discuss the MCU with my family. I don’t go shouting at strangers on the street about how much Disney has screwed up. I have much bigger concerns outside of what I choose to blog about. Rest assured that Steve Rogers, no matter how much I love him, does not consume my every waking thought.

But anon does bring up an interesting point: Steve Rogers isn’t real, so we shouldn’t be angry when we feel that his corporate owners have ridiculed him. Steve Rogers isn’t real, so we shouldn’t make a big deal about it when his corporate owners disrespect him. Steve Rogers isn’t real, therefore he can’t be disrespected, and we should just relax and let everything that’s been done to him roll off of our backs, like water on a duck.

I know Steve Rogers isn’t real. Everybody knows. He is a fictional comic book character created by Jewish men to inspire action against Nazis during World War II. He isn’t real, but you can’t tell me that his influence also isn’t real. He isn’t real, but he tells us that all of us, no matter how small or unloved by society we are, can rise to the challenge. We can be heroes and fight for something bigger than ourselves. That inspiration, and that message, I think, is very important.

Steve Rogers isn’t real, but our love for him is. And I don’t think you should belittle this love. You might as well belittle the love that others have for other franchises that are meaningful to them, other storybook characters, other video games, other hobbies that “aren’t real.” Why is our love not valid and worthy of note? I am sure anon loves things that I don’t love-- things that aren’t “real.” I would never tell anon to “relax”-- unless they’re hurting themselves, or hurting real people. (Honestly, the fans who tell other fans to kill themselves over fictional characters are the ones who need to relax 😬)

Steve Rogers isn’t real, but Disney’s impact on popular culture is. How real? A quick Google search told me that the MCU earned over $25 billion worldwide. 25 billion dollars, can you imagine that? $25,000,000,000. Google also tells me that in 2021, the Walt Disney Company held assets worth a total of over 203.61 billion U.S. dollars. That is more money than the GDP of some countries. That is certainly more money than most of us will see in our lives, no matter how hard we toil. That is power. That is real. That is power to buy politicians and influence real lives, such as in the United States when Disney supported backers of the Don’t Say Gay Bill in Florida. And Steve Rogers is just one small cog in the MCU machine, which is merely one cog in the bloated Disney monopoly.

I make blog posts that get reblogged maybe over a hundred times if I’m lucky. Usually they never hit triple digits-- it's a good day if I get a dozen likes. Most of these posts are really vent posts-- I vent my frustrations with likeminded fans. Compare that to Disney churning out dozens of movies and shows nonstop, and how much am I doing, really? (Honestly, Disney should be the ones told to relax-- they’re burning out VFX artists and churning out subpar content.)

Forbes tells me that the Loki series was watched by 2.5 million households when it debuted. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier debuted to 1.8 million viewers. WandaVision, to 1.6 million. That is real power.

She Hulk apparently had 1.5 million viewers. 1.5 million people watched Jennifer Walters wail and moan about how tragic it was for Steve to die a virgin. That’s Disney wailing in our ears, anon. That’s Kevin Feige and his extremely real insecurities telling us that it’s tragicomedy for a man to not have sex. And it doesn’t matter if you’re an ordinary man, or a hero who helped save the universe-- they’re still going to laugh at you. And I can tell that it’s wrong, but how many others are going to have their misguided beliefs reinforced? How many people will feel inadequate if they don’t have sex? We do not live in a bubble. We are constantly bombarded by messages from without telling us to have sex, or don’t have sex, or have the right amount of sex, etc. It is a toxic mindset that they are perpetuating, and I don’t think it’s wrong to call them out.

So Steve Rogers isn’t real. But the love that his fans have for him is. And the love that we and other likeminded fans have for the MCU translates into very real power for Disney-- the power to influence popular consciousness.

So-- maybe we should stop loving him, in order to stop supporting Disney? That’s difficult, considering how much Disney owns (and they weren't his original owners to begin with). They are a Hydra of their own making, inescapable, choking the life out of popular culture, swallowing up studios and VFX artists. And besides, Disney doesn’t want fans like me. They don’t want fans that criticize their writing, that tell them they’re not funny, that call them out when they’re toxic. They don’t want fans that have queer readings of characters they insist absolutely have to be straight. So I think that fans like me are something they desperately need.

This quote from Neil Gaiman is very apt:

“We who make stories know that we tell lies for a living. But they are good lies that say true things, and we owe it to our readers to build them as best we can. Because somewhere out there is someone who needs that story. Someone who will grow up with a different landscape, who without that story will be a different person. And who with that story may have hope, or wisdom, or kindness, or comfort. And that is why we write.”

Somewhere out there, someone needs Steve Rogers' stories, even if he isn't real. And Steve Rogers deserves better stories. We deserve better.

I will love Steve Rogers for what he was made to be-- a symbol of inspiration, a bulwark against fascism-- and not what Disney wants him to be-- a cash cow for people to point and laugh at. And I’ll relax when I want to, thanks.

(Fun fact: the second comic of Steve is from a She Hulk comic. Can you believe that? From standing up to Nazis to being laughed at for presumably dying a virgin. I know what Disney values.)

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*SPOILERS*

So, Bruce shows up for the family barbeque, back from Sakaar, and introduces his son to everyone....yep, Hulk is a dad and we got Skaar's debut into the MCU. As a refresher, this is what Skaar looks like in the comics.

This is also him in the Hulk and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H. show.

Okay, so you got an idea on what he looks like right? Well, this is what Skaar looks like in the MCU.

Dear god, WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO HIM?! What's with his hair?! If this is what he'll look like, I'm worried what his twin brother, Hiro-Kala, would look like. Not to mention I have so many questions. Like, when was Skaar born? After Ragnarok or when Hulk went back to Sakaar? What was doing in Sakaar? Where is Hiro-Kala? Is Hiro gonna be an antagonist like the comics? Is Caiera dead in the MCU like she is in the comics? Are they gonna do the storyline where Skaar wants to kill his father but in time he won't and eventually loves his father? Or is that gonna be all skipped?

Oh, and Matt's there too, but that's not important.

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As bad as MCU humor can get, at least they don't do lame meta.

God damn it!

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