#today's problematic ship

[phantom-gold]

💄 TODAY'S PROBLEMATIC SHIP 🐞

"You goddamned brat..."

AbbaGio is a ship that I adore endlessly, and for good reason. It has the perfect concoction of some of my favourite tropes for a good, problematic ship. Such tropes include:

Age Gap (15 x 20)

Power Imbalance

Threats and Intimidation galore

From the moment they're on screen together, there's instant tension. Immediately, Abbacchio isn't taking kindly to a new addition to their little group, and sets about hazing and harassing said new addition... to no avail. This sets off a series of increasingly homoerotic moments of Abbacchio trying to physically intimidate Giorno (and or threaten him with words) to put him in his place.

Giorno, however, does not cave in so easily and continues to outdo Abbacchio and not be deterred by his threats. The seething hate Abbacchio has for Giorno is such a draw, the way he's so angrily obsessed with keeping Giorno a peg below him.

It makes you wonder why this 20 year old mafioso is so obsessed with teaching a 15 year old boy these kinds of lessons, or why his first thought upon seeing Giorno... was to haze him with piss drinking. Let me remind you, that trick Giorno pulled didn't absorb all of Abbacchio's 'tea'. Some of that still got swallowed, keep in mind.

There's a lot of rivals (?) to lovers potential, a lot of unresolved tension and biting sexual tension. Perhaps in future, Don Giono ends up trying to bond with his dear underling Abbacchio... or up and coming Gang-Star Giorno is merely trying to get closer to Abbacchio and ease the tension, but little does he know, he's making it far worse...

The juxtaposition between Giorno's cool, calm and cunning persona and Abbacchio's aggressive, intimidating and yet capable persona... it's too good not to think about.

Antis DNI — This Post Isn't For You.

#today's problematic ship #abbagio #leone abbacchio #giorno giovanna #problematic ships #cw age gap #power imbalance #cw piss #rivals to lovers #jjba #golden wind #jjba part 5 #antis dni #proshippers please interact #proship safe

[sovaharbor]

these are all specifically made with an rp server im in in mind, hence some of the dynamics here, HOWEVER. i think they can apply outside of it too, so. here

#im making more too which is genuinely problematic of me #valorant #incorrect valorant #long post #mine* #i. guess. I Guess. #valorant chamber #valorant phoenix #valorant yoru #valorant killjoy #valorant reyna #valorant neon #valorant sova #valorant harbor #yombernix #fadeshock #one day i'll come up w a ship name for sova and harbor but thats not today cheers tho xx

[smowkie]

i am so tired of people equating proshippers with people who think pedophilia and incest is okay. we don't, actually.

i know this may come as a shock to some people, but we actually can differentiate from fiction and reality, and just because we think something is fun in fiction doesn't mean we think it's fun in reality.

fuck, i constantly wrote Sterek as the clingiest fuckers alive and i hate that personally, i cannot fucking sleep if someone is clinging to me, but i LOVE the thought of Sterek not being able to sleep unless they're practically glued together.

so why should i think incest is okay because i ship Wincest? why should i think pedophilia is okay because i enjoy reading some fucked up shit from time to time?

#i just saw a post about a new discord server for one of my ships and they don't allow proshippers #so i can't be there because i don't think it's morally wrong to ship things that could be problematic if they happened in real life #like grow the fuck up #Smowkie talks #Smowkie whines #again #god i'm in a mood today #that anxiety really fucked my day

[coulsonlives]

"DNI if you support proship."

Fam, I don't think you know what that word means. 😭

#say it with me: proship is a fandom specific term for being against censorship and harassment. 'pro' = 'in favour of/tolerant of' all ships! #regardless of personal taste! #it doesn't mean 'problematic ship' istg. how do these people define 'pro-choice' then? #make it make sense #but anyways yep... on today's episode of 'an anti interacted with my posts despite having me on their dni'... #antis #proship #censorship

[usareiis]

Lost my original post of this from the other day but I genuinely don't understand how Black Butler discourse ever shifted into the does Sebastian ~really~ like Ciel or is Ciel just dinner line of conversation that is pervasive as it is because Sebastian is the one that has absorbed his whole existence into Ciel's. Sebastian's face is what Ciel wants Sebastian's whole purpose is doing things for Ciel Sebastian's every hell of a butler yes my lord speech is about how he's Ciel's and Ciel is the one going around saying shit like whatever Sebastian is just my pawn 💅

#like sjdjdkdd?????? #it's not that i don't think ciel loves sebastian per se bc. well. i don't think he'd ever process it in terms like that no matter what... #...kind of relationship they have bc the most important thing to him is getting him to do tasks like a dog and proving he will over and over #which is why sebastian does it all so overkill #but the most acknowledgement you ever get that ciel likes sebastian is stuff like idk the fucking book of atlantic you did good today #or if we're feeling really crazy the you were the only demon there line #like the dynamic has gotten way skewed in fandom away from the actual text #and i know why but it's still annoying bc i am not even saying this in a shippy way bc i don't give a fuck about ships #but they're so crazy entwined and in completely incomparable inhuman situations that it literally has no merit on this story to sit and... #...definitely piece together how this relationship works with real life normie standards like it literally is going to fit into no box of... #...what we think of as friends or siblings or parents or partners bc no victorian guy on the face of the earth has a real pet demon. #it's so boring you're missing the bigger picture that they're everything to each other and completely stuck together forever #does x mean y mean z? (least problematic answer only) they're stuck together! forever! #and no one has demons in real life it's all comparable to real life nothing #other than the asthma that's real #anyway. it's like fandom has made up a version of this story in their heads that is so devoid of anything that makes the story the story #twitter is like another planet for this i am mostly talking about twitter where i have been looking for news about the anime and oh boy #i have said this before but sebastian doesn't have a grip on human relationships bc he's not one and ciel doesn't give a fuck #but like this post started with and strayed from. well. sebastian isn't even trying to act like he's indifferent. ciel actually is. #and we're all missing several funny bits from that just trying to fit everything into a box #we could have more interesting conversations if we got past the same three people have been having for 20 years #kuroshitsuji #my kuro posts

[chushanye]

i recently remembered that svtfoe existed. and then remembered i was actively in the fandom for most of the shows run. and it just....completely left my memory. like i remembered being OBSSESED with it but the moment it ended its like my brain put it aside and i immediately forgot all about it. im shocked cause NOTHING like this has ever happened before. like ever

#svtfoe and voltron were two fandoms i regret remembering #they were SO BAD peoole sent wach other death threats all the time #and everyone tried to prove other peoole headcanons were problematic to validate their own #and the ship wars...god the ship wars #tbh most of what i hate about fandoms today stemmed from learning my lession in these two fandoms lmfaooo

[tangramkey]

I don't usually make posts like this, but please don't send death threats to ANYONE. It doesn't matter if they ship or headcanon something you don't, there's NEVER a situation where this is okay. If you don't like the ship or headcanon, just ignore, block, and move on. There is no reason to act this way towards someone. If you harass people, especially over matters like these, unfollow and block me.

#serious key post. #personal stuff. #If they ship/headcanon something problematic or something that hurts someone else. That is a different story. But. #Still don't harass or send death threats. The internet is not 100% catered to you. You curate your own experience. #The person who posted it is not posting it for you. They are posting it for themselves and for fans of what they like. #Acting hateful and witch hunting does not help. You are part of the problem. Don't make the community toxic. #A community who tears itself down is not a community at all. Please do your best to spread positivity today. You never know. #You never know when someone needs it. #You never know who's on the other side of the screen. #AND ALSO #For the love of god if someone does something bad and apologizes for it and is making efforts to be better DO NOT CONTINUE HARASSING THEM. #DO NOT CONTINUE HARASSING THEM FOR THEIR PAST MISTAKES. LEARN TO FORGIVE. LET'S BE RESPECTFUL AND CARING TO ONE ANOTHER. PLEASE. #to the osc. #object show community #osc

[hozukitofu]

Enemies to lovers had not quite been able to make its intended meaning. What we have is at best haters/rivals to lovers (they are on the same side they just hate how the other is carrying on) so they bicker, with love. We mistake rivals for enemies, understandably bc rivalry is more palatable and arguably less problematic. The dynamic of 'they don't actually hate each other' gives me a high like no other. But enemies, people on OPPOSITE sides committing CRIMES against each other in an obsessive ritual, too dependent on their morals to ever consider another path, making their marks on each other in mutual destruction wounds then get struck with an epiphany mid-fight mid-stab face to face that this person is their worse half, their despicable unseen part, the pathway direct express to hell, but LIBERATION the likes which no other could ever enlighten them to, someone so fucked up but so fundamentally ALIKE, unhinged kindred spirits with the same coins same morals different sides ...

I FUCK with that

The suspense of not knowing whether feelings are reciprocated bc the stakes are LIFE ENDING and everything must fall to support this love make me FERAL over enemies-lovers. Rivalry has stakes too but it's more getting over initial distaste of someone who you've viewed as your competition aka forfeiting your pride; enemies make you reroute your entire life compass to be with the one you love bc that changes EVERYTHING yes crimes were committed and confessions were traded on deathbeds there are no villains or heroes in this story. Rivals make couples strive to be better by the other and for themselves, enemies make each other WORSE and I'm here for it

Who are enemies to lovers: eve/villainelle (MI6 agent hunting down an international killer); laurent/damen (two heirs of warring kingdoms); vegas/pete (two sides of a warring family in a torture chamber)

What ISN'T enemies to lovers: sereshaw/hangster (classic men on men rivalry they're just extra toxic); cherik (same mutant side they've been trying to divorce for so long that its everyone's problem now but the enemies are humans)

#fandom thoughts #ship dynamics #categorising tropes #romance tropes #shipping discussions #in my vp brainrot today #but i also saw a hot take on twitter that made me ask WHERE IS THE ENEMY #enemies/lovers must be toxic #problematic and evil and bloody and deranged and unhinged #it should look like someone's world had just collapsed #none of the fluff of rivalry #rivalry fundamentally does not alter any party's viewpoints #however enemies will detonate your current reality #cherik #hangster #villaineve #vegaspete

[eliounora]

when I was about 11-13 I was super into hetalia and suddenly last night, over a decade later, I had the wildest dream about the characters, there was plot, there was romance, there was drama??? your tween obsessions, while embarrassing, truly never leave you

#today this ship would probably have me claimed problematic but my absolute fav pairing was usuk LOL #excellent angst. excellent dynamic #nor's rambles

[phantom-gold]

🏹 TODAY'S PROBLEMATIC SHIP 💲

"I'm just followin' you, big bro."

Ah KeiOku, a ship I know well. You can never go wrong with brother/brother, I always say, especially when it has such a spicy undertone. I say undertone... but the abusive, codependent energy that these two give off is unrivaled.

Okuyasu — a young man who knows damned well his intelligence isn't getting him through life — relies so heavily on his brother that due to story events separating them, he's left to cope with his resulting feelings. It goes to show how heavily the two rely on each other, but more so Okuyasu upon his big brother, who isn't shy about bossing him around and making choices for him.

In a way, it feels like that's what Okuyasu wants. Never to have to think and just to trust the judgement of his knowledgeable, always correct big bro.

In all fairness, the two are all each other has — besides their father.

Under the abuse (both verbal and physical) there is a genuine care and want for the best for Okuyasu. Even if he goes the most violent way of showing it, Keicho cares about his little brother, because if he didn't then why would he do what he did when it came to Red Hot Chili Pepper?

Actions speak louder than words after all.

Though the two only have a 2 year age gap (16/18) they're still blood related, have an unbelievable power imbalance relationship that's so toxic you could get radiation poisoning from staring at them too long and... well... just look at them. So much potential for Keicho to tell his darling, loyal dog of a little brother what to do... and Oku doesn't want to disappoint his big bro after all.

Antis DNI — This Post Is Not For You.

#today's problematic ship #keioku #keicho nijimura #okuyasu nijimura #problematic ships #proshippers please interact #antis dni #proship safe #jjba part 4 #diamond is unbreakable #cw shipcest #cw abuse #codepency #toxic relationship

[deus-ex-mona]

when you can never forget… _(:3 」∠)_

#mad cringe 3am rant incoming pls stand by— #…so i found my enstars screenshots from 2018 and i don’t even remember half of them happening h e l p #there’s stuff like spamming for repayment fes event nazuna niichan till i had 0 dia left… #…and making ship birthday board things for the 2019 birthday events. i made leokasa and subahokke ones s o bs #and i think i saw a makoizu ss from the librarian event? the outfit + blushing seaweed head sure looks like it’s from that event #(tfw you’re the only one shipping this problematic ship lmao) #also speaking of enstars hi are there any other hokke recasting rejectors out there👀👀👀 #hokke’s current va has been voicing him for much longer than his previous va ever did and i *still* can’t get used to his ‘new’ voice lmao #i remember benching his 5☆ so fast the moment i heard his ‘new’ voice post-recasting. sad times. initial hokke was my first 5☆ too… #but the most cringe memory i have of enstars is… downloading it thinking it was a haikyuu game bc subaru lowkey looks like hinata. #in my defence i couldn’t read japanese back then ok. i was so confused when they told me to pick an idol unit bc ‘where my volleyboys at???’ #i really should’ve realised something was up when i saw hokke (or as i thought he was back then: haru from the swimming anime) appear smh #it took me like 2 months to get through the tutorial bc i was so confused. 0/10 experience; should’ve quit enstars on the first uninstall #but lmao i still have the og enstars app unupdated on my old phone. it still has the dumb 4th anni thing on the icon. time flies… #and well if you read this for some reason or other… go listen to ‘crush of judgement’ or ‘sei shounen yuugi’👀 they’re the best songs (imo) #also nazuna niichan is the bestest boy and prettiest boy and the cutest boy and have you seen his frozen ice card it’s so cute and aaaaaaa— #also now that that’s done can i talk about my 3.5 year long love live phase— #ok i think i got enough cringe out of my system for now. #tune in in a few hours for (maybe) more cringe tag blubbering about shin jidai this time (provided my dvd comes in today dhl p l s—) #it is suiyoubi my dudes #inedible blubbering

[lesenbyan]

If i didn't need money so god damn badly I'd be writing a new pinned post right now, I want you all to know this.

#personal; #racism? in the XIV fandom? it's exceedingly more likely than you think! #my biracial ass has so much adrenaline in my veins from the two (2) things I've seen today #there is a reason I don't look at fandom tags or engage in discourse normally. I do not have the constitution for it #but I do not want anyone INTERACTING with my blog with anything like that on theirs and maybe I'll cut some of that off #if i had a pinned post explaining why all of that is Problematic #fiction effects reality but it's not shipping discourse it's this shit #the unquestioned and unchecked casual racism #and it's a special hell being biracial and watching everyone (intentionally?) misunderstand that america's racism is colorism and xenophobi #whereas XIV racism is in fact about the races #the moment you paint a race in XIV whole-cloth? bam fantasy racist. and makes me distrustful of you as someone used to people doing that ir #and then asking where I go and being forced to denounce a side #like FUCK!!! #vent tags; #vent post; #I'm just so angry!!!! #bc I don't feel allowed to talk about my racial trauma bc it requires calling out black people on shit they do to people like me #so when I see all the fatasy racism is just makes me !!!! #ugh #u g h #edit: i know DNIs don't work. that's not what I'm talking about

[coulsonlives]

For self-proclaimed leftists, some of y'all seem weirdly comfortable with telling people to kill themselves

#not about anyone here #i've legit seen like 5 different blogs today that all wished death on different problematic groups #but it's not always even problematic groups. a lot of the time it's just fans of characters or something which is even worse #if you're gonna go down that road at least do yourself the courtesy of not lying to yourself about what kinda person you really are #what was that line about facism. or how certain groups in the past exempted people from their basic rights to life with horrific results #didn't think all these young leftists would posture so bad they started regurgitating that same ideology #just with a fresh coat of 'i'm a safe space and good person i prommy uwu' paint #but here we are i guess #it's scary. are people (especially kids??) really so paranoid about being good and coming across as good #that they need to instantly wish death on anyone problematic (or anyone they THINK is problematic as in like. not liking the 'right' ships) #bc that's kinda the opposite of being a good person. it throws out and ignores one of the most fundamental rights a person can have #fascism #human rights #suibait ment cw #death ment cw #suibait ment #bullying

[mantisgodsdomain]

As we wait for our exceedingly large quantity of files to copy over to our external hard drive, we are haunted with thoughts. What on earth is up with the specific brand of people who make "pedophilia" the go-to thing to call people they don't like? What is going on in their heads? Like, we can follow the train of thought for some things, but then it rolls around to "shipping a thirteen-year-old with another thirteen-year-old is pedophilia" and we're lost again. What's up with that? Is it an Allo Thing we don't get or something? What is happening over there?

#we saw someone saying that shipping naruto characters was problematic bc they're twelve today #which had us remembering the sheer number of people who seem to think that aging characters up is Weird And Pedophilic #whats up with that? whats going on with those people? we're no stranger to weird internet puritanism but like. ???? #we once saw someone in the worm fandom drawing the line at skitter being involved in fmk when thats a lot more mild than like #regents Entire Backstory #or. yknow. emmas whole Thing #we've seen people unironically say vi wouldnt know what sex is like. correct us if we're wrong but isnt she seventeen??? #do you think that seventeen year olds dont know what sex is??? #maybe we're thinking of this more bc of that one artist we followed who immediately started reblogging Some Shit #but we just... don't understand. #we speak #we really do need to get a tag for Fandom Nonsense at some point #or just this general flavor of stuff #would help with organization if nothing else

[familymeansnoonegetsleftbehind]

#so maxvid and philuz tied! #I spun the picker wheel #and maxvid won #if you want me to actually rerun the vote #then tell me and I’ll rerun it tomorrow <3 #but for now #todays ships are #pompous pep #elsanna #excited to see how this goes! #proship #proshipping #problematic shipping #proshipper #pro shipping #proship safespace #ship and let ship #anti anti #proship positivity #proship safe #proshippers please interact #problematic ship tournament

[sasha-whos-askin-racket]

Thinks about the homoeroticism of a concept not being able to exist without it’s opposite. Thinks about Prop being the first to walk away after the Balladeer’s death and having minimal interaction with anybody after that point, serving more or less only to turn on the radio in the TSBD. Thinks about Prop pointing at the Balladeer just before his death. Thinks about the fact that you can’t have hope without doubt, without fear, without resolve. Thinks about the fact that in order to do what they did, the assassins had to have been made up of just as much hope as they were despair. Thinks about being one of two beings in your world who has even a semblance of an understanding of your existence. Thinks about the fact that even on a two-headed coin, the faces are looking in opposite directions. Thinks about them.

#the balladeer #the proprietor #assassins musical #because apparently we're all posting propadeer content today? #i've never really thought about them much #but i guess they're the least problematic assassins ship #since neither of them are real #anyway i just- #them #queue's asking?