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qarauu · 23 days
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Saltanat Nukenova is a name that is widely recognized in Kazakhstan these days. That is because, on November 9, Saltanat’s husband, Kuandyk Bishimbayev, the former economy minister, was detained in connection with her death. She was just 31 years old.
About 150.000 citizens have signed a petition proposing to recriminalize “battery” and “intentional infliction of light bodily harm.” Vlast.kz, an independent online media outlet, issued a statement condemning violence against women. Women’s rights lawyers and activists, and many others across the country, accentuated the urgent need to criminalize domestic violence.
disgraceful pig Bishimbayev killed Saltanat hitting her several times in the head, beating her head on the toilet, kicking her repeatedly; he systematically made her life a living hell, beating her up for 8 hours minimum.
Bishimbayev is in court and uses many different excuses for his actions, claiming that: “she hit her head on the toilet herself, i picked her up and she fell and hit her head again” or that “she had a lover and i was jealous”
kazakhstan decriminalised domestic violence law in 2017. 150.000 verified voters were not enough for our government to consider adding laws around domestic abuse. now kazakhstani goverment tries to change national emblem and outlaw posting about homosexuality to divert the attention of the masses.
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juregim · 25 days
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once im feeling a little better I am planning to compile a post about the ongoing case of Kuandyk Bishimbayev, the Former Minister of National Economy of Kazakhstan who violently murdered his wife in November 2023. the case went to trial, and it is the first court that is streamed publicly, and is currently shaking the nation. the normalisation of domestic abuse and violence is coming to light.
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placegrenette · 6 months
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Why domestic violence (against women primarily) is a big concern in Kazakhstan right now.
I haven't seen a good informal roundup so I'm going to take a stab at one. As always, do not entirely trust your ignorant American narrator.
It's not that domestic violence hasn't been on people's radars previously–y'all might recall that way back in 2019 Ninety One took part in a campaign against gender-based violence led by the US Consulate General in Almaty–and there are a good number of grassroots organizations that I know nothing about and can't do justice to. (A coalition of 16 of them, the Union of Crisis Centers in Kazakhstan, gets mentioned in this 2019 Human Rights Watch piece.) But it seems to have exploded in the last week or so as a result of several high-profile cases.
Quite possibly the biggest, and ugliest, one is the murder of Saltanat Nukenova; her husband, Kuandyk Bishimbayev, has apparently been ordered to jail as the suspected killer. I think this case is getting a lot of attention because Bishimbayev was a well-known figure who was in government at 27 and who is now suspected of corruption (apparently his father was buddy-buddy with Nursultan Nazarbayev; the top article on Orda.kz right now is an article raising questions about his mother's wealth) and because he was rich (see previous clause; also, the argument that may have led to him beating Nukenova to death apparently started at their restaurant); but friends of Nukenova's are coming forward saying that Bishimbayev had been physically abusing her for years.
I say "several cases" because the translated introduction to the latest Zamandas podcast refers to three separate cases, but I only know of the Nukenova murder. Suffice to say it seems to be the tip of a longstanding, widely-known iceberg. Here's the translation of a Facebook post by Zhanna Muhmadi, whom Eurasianet describes as a "well-known lawyer":
I would like to remind you that in Kazakhstan they give a WARNING for intentional beating of wives! You beat her once, you get a warning, but the second time you can kill her. In our country, even for the murder of wives they gave 1.5 years. P.S. Sincere condolences to the girl's family. The most severe punishment for all murderers!
(Note that Google Translate rendered "You beat her..." as "You beat him," but I changed it; I suspect Russian has the same direct object for male and female third person.)
I've found translating timestamps useful in the past, so here they are for the most recent Zamandas podcast linked above:
00:00 Start of the podcast. Why are we recording this issue and important issues of domestic violence. 03:11 Terrible news of the past week. 07:08 About justifying comments and impunity. About Bishimbayev. 09:07 About manipulation in the media and blogging sphere. About Rashev. 10:59 What is known at the moment? 12:40 About silence. 13:56 Why do men hate women in Kazakhstan? 18:49 About rape in Taldykorgan. [note: this is harder to find information about, but apparently a high-ranking police officer in Taldykorgan has been detained on suspicion of rape.] 20:46 About the law on domestic violence and the inaction of the police. 24:04 “If you don’t hear girls, listen to men” 28:30 Why are men silent? 33:36 About n*violence and emotional tyranny. 37:20 About the incident with the security guard at the nightclub. 42:02 About misogyny. 44:50 About traditions and non-violence. 47:48 “If someone raises a hand against you, leave” 50:20 About education. 54:15 We as a society cannot forgive such things. 56:20 The problem of domestic violence does not have a social portrait. 58:14 About divorce and conviction. 01:00:02 About romanticization in the media. 01:01:03 About tightening the law. See something - say something. 01:04:01 About the relationship of law enforcement agencies to victims. 01:07:07 About male solidarity. 01:08:03 About the incident on the train and the conductors. 01:10:06 About the Don’t Be Silent Foundation. 01:12:51 About the situation in bars and spiking. 01:16:55 Conclusion.
The "Don't Be Silent Foundation," by the way, is NeMolchi (Не Молчи = "do not be silent" in Russian); I don't know if they're taking donations.
ZaQ and Alem both linked (in Instagram Stories) to a petition (machine translation) currently circulating that's calling upon the Kazakhstani government to take domestic violence more seriously and create stronger criminal punishments for it. (Alem spoke in his stories before sharing the link; unfortunately, as usual, I can't tell you what he said. @ninetyonekz translated the stories: one, two, three.) Orda has an article about the petition (machine translation) that notes that it was originally created in 2021 and basically went ignored for two years. The more cynical among you might say that domestic violence is this week's Current Thing in Kazakhstan, and the guys do not want to be seen as lagging behind. To be fair, I think Veronika has been publicly and privately acknowledging these issues for much longer; she linked to the petition as well, as well as to Dr. Aigerim Turekulova, who recently wrote about the health risks to Kazakhstani women and girls from interpersonal violence. Backup dancer Diana also linked to it, and wrote (if the machine translation got her caption right) about how her ex-husband was physically abusive, and people told her not to bother reporting it to the authorities, it would be a waste of time.
I don't know if this is going to lead to longer-lasting change. I sure hope so, but there's a lot of competition for We Need to Do Something About This right now, both in Kazakhstan and globally (a week or two ago a bunch of people, including I believe all of Irina Kairatovna, were raising money to help residents of Gaza City, and we haven't even gotten to the ArcelorMittal mine disaster in Karaganda last month). Also I would put the odds of a backlash as high. But at least something is happening. And since I suspect most of my audience is either against domestic violence or pro learning about Kazakhstan, it seemed worth reporting.
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There are some very strange phrases(?) in Kazakh. for example when someone is really irritating you ask them why are they drinking your blood. or when you want to threaten somebody(who is at least familiar to you) you tell them that you will tear their hair from their head and give it to them(their hands).
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radvsem · 12 days
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Femicide in Kazakhstan
Feel free to interact and share this post because this is a terrible crime and the criminal must be punished!!
Since 27th of March 2024 in Kazakhstan there's the trial in the case of Kuandyk Bishimbayev (Former Minister of Economy of Kazakhstan, prosecuted for corruption in 2017) who killed his wife Saltanat Nukenova on the 9th of November 2023.
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In the VIP room of his family's restaurant he mutilated her for many hours, pulled her by the hair, tortured her. In the morning he called his cousin (distant relative) and asked him to delete recordings from CCTV cameras, bring blankets, and also drive the car into the underground parking (apparently to wrap the corpse). They failed to remove Saltanat from the restaurant and Bishimbayev asked his brother to take the woman’s phone and take it to the sports club firstly, and then take it home (so that Saltanat's brother would not suspect anything, because he could track her). It's important that all this time they did not call an ambulance; instead, Bishimbayev called a fortune teller, she said that Saltanat was sleeping and would wake up soon.
Bishimbayev says that Saltanat just fell because she was drunk (according to the examination, she did not have a significant dose of alcohol in her blood), and a clump of hair remained from the fact that he stroked her head. Experts rule out this scenario.
“The death of Saltanat Nukenova was the result of a closed craniocerebral injury, the examination says. Multiple abrasions and bruises were found on her face and body, and her nose was broken. Forensic expert Takhir Khalimnazarov said that injuries consistent with strangulation were found on the body of the deceased.”
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Also, at the trial, Bishimbayev’s lawyers want to make Salatnat guilty: they ask questions about whether she liked to dominate in relationships, whether she was jealous, why she didn’t leave earlier if Bishimbayev beat her before. Typical scenario in the CIS countries: “It’s your own fault, you brought it on youself”. But justice is on the side of Saltanat and other victims of violence!
On the 11th of April 2024 the law criminalizing domestic violence, the Salatnat Law, was adopted in Kazakhstan. The trial is still ongoing.
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humanrightsupdates · 7 months
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Human Rights Watch: A deputy from Kazakhstan’s lower chamber of Parliament, the Mazhilis, has made an outrageous proposal to punish women for provoking abuse by their husbands. This, in a country where police receive more than 100,000 domestic violence complaints annually.
In a September 26 meeting, where parliament’s Legislation and Judicial Reform Committee was discussing measures to combat domestic violence, Amantai Zharkynbek, a deputy from the ruling Amanat political party, said that if a woman’s husband is sentenced to 15 days of administrative arrest for domestic violence, then “it follows that his wife should be detained too,” for “provoking” the abuse. Deputy Zharkynbek also proposed that the women be labelled “provocateurs” in family abuse cases and that they be held equally accountable for the violence.
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torricelling · 2 days
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intersectionalpraxis · 4 months
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Links that OP also provided: Campaign for Uyghurs Speak Up For The Uyghurs (Carrd) Save Uyghur (Companies Linked to Uyghur Forced Labour) The Coalition to End Forced Labour in the Uyghur Region
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There is mass systematic sexual violence being committed against Ugyhur women in these concentration camps as a 'torture tactic'-I have read horrifying reports and details about their many experiences -being violated over and over again and it's just horrifying -these accounts are something I will never forget reading about because it is truly despicable what has been done to them. And the fact that the Chinese government STILL refuses to acknowledge what they have done -and deny these 'allegations,' I hope more people learn about what has been happening in these camps where a genocide is occurring against Uyghur people.
Here are some more links to some articles for folks to look into this and with some more information about what has been happening:
“Break Their Lineage, Break Their Roots”- China’s Crimes against Humanity Targeting Uyghurs and Other Turkic Muslims
China Uses Rape as Torture Tactic Against Uighur Detainees, Victims Say
Abortions, IUDs and sexual humiliation: Muslim women who fled China for Kazakhstan recount ordeals
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prettykikimora · 1 year
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I say that I'm a Marxist leninist on like 3 spots on my blog it's not a secret like I can lament how both Ukraine and russian nationalists are just pitting red army soldiers against one another in divisions that theyd never had even thought of in the past as some kind of modern got ya like "my ethnic group of guys killed the most fascists 100 years ago" does that make people from Kazakhstan more susceptible to fascism like what's the logic here? Its gross its erasing the historic contributions of each and every soldier and the actions of patriotic soviet Ukrainians reducing the 15 nation alliance to russia, something Russian nationalists do. Saying that is pro Putin now. A diatribe against reactionary nationalism is pro Putin now. Total brainless shit please die. 28 million soviet citizens didn't die for fascism and its beyond insulting to their memories to pretend as though they did because they didnt subscribe perfectly to your decadent pie in the sky ideals about how the world should work. We live in a world of ugly reaction, facts, and violence and the single most successful attempt to curb that mass violence did so without the opinion of westerners soaked in anarchist ultraleft dogshit theory that's never fed a nation, its never provided for the peoples well being, your biggest talking point is brewing fucking bathtub insulin.
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ohsalome · 7 months
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(Context missed from the screenshot: the soil in Qazaqstan varies greatly in quality, and the climate is similarly unpredictable. Qazaqs have adapted to this land by adopting seminomadic lifestyle, which Soviet russians denounced as "culturally backwards" and decided to force them into sedatary farms. They, of course, did not provide any scientific/agricultural/terraforming preparations and simply expected Qazaqs to provide cosmic harvests in a semi desert by a sheer power of faith in communism 😒)
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Force nomadic cultures into a farm -> do not provide the water and food that cattle needs to survive -> the said nomads begin to starve and try to escape somewhere where they won't starve -> declare the people your policy forced into starvation "enemies of the state" and shoot them
🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
[Book: Sarah Cameron - The Hungry Steppe: Famine, Violence and Making of Soviet Kazakhstan]
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guzhufuren · 13 days
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today Kazakhstan's president signed the law that criminalises domestic violence and child abuse FUCKING FINALLY
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iblameashley · 4 months
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Whispered Understanding (Pt 3)
Military | Male | Gay
1,980~ words
Content: Angst, anger, physical violence, cuddling, fluff, gay stuff
Follow up to: Whispered Promises
Simon ‘Ghost’ Riley | John 'Soap' MacTavish
!!!SFW!!!
From a long moon-lit stroll on a beach, to a mission nearly gone wrong and finally ending with a cuddle in bed, Ghost and Soap navigate their relationship and the challenges it brings. Ghost grapples the hardest with keeping his promise to give it his all as he doubts his worth.
Tag List: @imcoughing
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The air was thick with the smell of salt as Ghost and Soap strolled along the Egypt Bay beach just outside of London. The sun had long set and the beach was mostly empty, with a full moon illuminating their way.
“Are ye havin' a good time, Simon?” John asked with a gentle lilt.
Ghost nodded, his hands were burrowed in his coat pockets as the cold air whipped around him. Even with a face mask, his breath created wisps with every breath. He kicked at a rock, his eyes fixed on his boots as the sand shifted under his weight.
“It's peaceful here.” Was all he offered in response. The words were as uncertain as the feelings inside him.
There was a strained silence between the two. Soap peered at Ghost from the corner of his eyes, his heart turbulent with affection and concern. Ghost -Simon- had agreed to give dating a go, to give it his all, but he remained as stoic and guarded as ever. It was difficult for Soap to know if Ghost was fallowing through on his promise.
“D'ye remember our first mission together?” Soap asked, determined to break through whatever wall Ghost was hiding behind. “The crash site... the house...” he mused with a hint of nostalgia.
Ghost grunted, “How could I forget? You nearly got us both killed, charging into action without looking. Fuckin' muppet.” He chuckled.
“Aye, but we made one helluva team, anne it was thrillin', no?” Soap Grinned, nudging Ghost's arm gently with his elbow. “Got the job done, always do.”
Ghost stopped and Soap with him. After a moment, Ghost met Soaps eyes. Those chestnut eyes swirled with turmoil and anxiety, but under that was something more. Something that might have been a kindle of hope.
“Soap...” Ghost began hesitantly. “I want this to work between us. I really do. But you know as well as I do that out there” - He gestured vaguely at the wide ocean before them - “I'm a different man. I'm broken and ruthless... and here I'm just... Simon.” The words were pained.
Soap reached out and took Ghost by the arm, giving his bicep a squeeze. “Aye, and I'm just your Johnny. No rank, no expectations. Jus' me tryin' tae get to know the man behind the mask.” He gave a lopsided grin. “One step at a time, yeah?”
Ghost chose his words carefully, even though his body was already leaning into Soap. “I want that, but what if you don't like what you see behind this mask?” He said quietly, his brows furrowed. “I've never been a normal bloke, Johnny.”
“Oi, none of that talk! I know ye better than ye think, Simon.” Soap smirked. “Remember the late nights we'd share pints after a mission? Yer mask mae have been on, but yer eyes gave yer real self away.”
Soaps smile softened as he manoeuvred in front of Ghost and looked up at him. “I've seen yer heart, Si. A good man who's seen too much, just like me. I'm just offerin' ye a chance tae not do it all alone.”
Ghost searched Soaps eyes for the lie. It made him feel like shit to even consider Johnny, his Johnny, would lie. And as he searched those deep blues, he found no lie. No judgment or discomfort. What he saw was genuine affection, patience and care.
Ghost gave a small nod.
“Alright. One step at a time.”
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A few weeks later, Ghost and Soap had been tasked with infiltrating a remote terrorist compound nestled away in a remote area of Russia, just west of Kazakhstan to acquire intel. They were escorted by a few US Marines who also had a vested interest in the intel, and in the spirit of cooperation, Price liaised with Laswell and the Marine Corp.
But as usual, things went sideways and their presence was detected ahead of schedule, the mission became turbulent and violent. Gunfire had erupted as Ghost and Soap engaged the enemy. In the chaos, Ghost had lost track of Soaps position and acting rashly, abandoned the Marines and tried to flank the compound to draw fire away.
It was only afterwards that Ghost had realized that Soap had been pinned down and calling for backup as he took heavy fire. The mistake -his desire to protect Johnny- had nearly gotten Soap and the Marines killed. He would have also failed to get the intel on his own, assuming he had lived as well.
This all came to a head after the mission debriefing. Simon's anxiety and guilt had been building since exfil and it scared him. He understood his acting alone nearly compromised everything and lost Johnny. It was nearly enough to short-circuit his brain.
“My office, five minutes.” Price had snapped at Ghost as soldiers shuffled out of the briefing room.
Ghost gave him a curt nod. “Sir.”
As the corridor emptied and the soldiers went about their duties, Soap and Ghost were left alone. Standing there. Awkwardly.
Ghost began to step away, resolved to leaving the matter be, but Soap reached out and held firm to his arm. “Gho- Simon. Wait.”
Ghost's jaw clenched under his mask. “Don't.” He hissed. “Just don't.”
Soap gave Ghost's arm a brief squeeze before letting go and raised his hands placatingly. “Look, it all worked out. No one-”
“No one died because I got lucky!” Simon exploded. Weeks of pent up uncertainty and nearly failing a mission; almost loosing Johnny, finally surged free. “It could have easily gone south and you – and those Marines – could have paid the price for my mistake!”
“Aye, but its mae job tae watch me own arse, too.” Soap replied as he took a step forward, his voice low and calming. “We're a team, Si.”
Ghost seemed past reason at this point and shook his head. “Some team. I nearly got you killed because I...”
Ghost grabbed Soap by the vest and slammed him into the nearby wall. Soaps eyes were wide with shock before they narrowed into anger.
Ghost wasn't sure if he wanted to kiss Soap or beat the absolute shit out of him. Why was he mad at Johnny? It was his mistake!
Retaliating, Soap shoved Ghost off of him, watching him stumble backward.
“Aye, you made a stupid, emotional decision.” Soap agreed with a hint of annoyance.
That was enough to make Ghost see red. He reacted faster than his logic could keep up with, and he took a swing at Soap.
And Soap let himself get hit. Let himself be knocked to the floor.
“Do ye feel better now?” Soap asked as he massaged his jaw.
Simon hated being called out – especially after a fuck-up – but realizing what he did to Soap made his rage deflate. He felt the waves of guilt and shame wash over him, and stood there immobile. “Johnny...” he rasped.
Soap shook his head and slowly stood up.
“One hell of a right hook, LT.” Soap joked.
“Fuck off.” Ghost replied as he took a cautious step forward.
“Ye can't let it happen again.” Soap spoke softly, still rubbing his jaw.
“I shouldn't have hit you you-”
Soap held up his hand and shook his head. “I'm not mad at ye for takin' a swing at mae, Si. I'm not even mad ye took off on yer own on the mission. But ye can't take that risk again, ye hear? Ye can't come rushin' in like a knight in shining armour for me.”
Ghost managed a half-hearted shrug.
“Its why I offered tae switch units. I dinnae want tae compromise ye.”
Ghosts eyes flashed with a mix of emotions, a spike of rage igniting within him once more.
“Absolutely not.” He commanded. “The only thing worse than losing my head on that mission, is not having you on my team. Not having you at my side.”
This was as close to an 'I love you' that Soap had heard since they started dating and it made his heart skip a beat.
“Ye big fuckin' softy.” Soap smirked, biting his lower lip. “I like havin' ye by mae side too, Si. Now get yer arse going or Price'll have yer head.”
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Simon stared out the bedroom window of his quarters, lost in thought as the stars sparkled in the night sky. An arm had slipped around his waist from behind and pulled him close.
Simon lay there quietly, feeling Johnny's rhythmic breathing against his back. Being held like this was unfamiliar, even after several nights of it. Simon had a deep urge to pull away. This was somehow scarier; foreign. It was so vastly different from just fucking someone and leaving. It was more intimate than he had expected, and he didn't exactly know how to process that.
John wasn't oblivious to what was going on in Simon's head. The man was more of an open book than he let on, especially without the mask and even more-so as they shared this tiny, cramped bed.
John began to slowly trace irregular patterns over Simon's stomach, feeling the muscles tense and convulse in response.
“What on yer mind, Si?” John asked softly. After everything that had happened, he knew Simon was wrestling with himself more than usual.
Simon let out a sigh and debated ignoring John's question, wanting to avoid another potential confrontation.
He rolled onto his back, and could see John from the corner of his eye. The man nestled between Simon's arm and chest, continuing his feather-like touch over Simon's stomach.
“I'm not good at any of this.”
John scowled. “What do ye mean, Si?”
Simon sucked in a long breath and exhaled slowly. He tried to find the right words. “Opening up and letting people in. Someone who nearly got you killed because I didn't stop to think... or trust in you. You deserve someone who isn't such a fuck up.”
'This conversation again.' John thought to himself.
John simply shook his head against Simon's chest. He slipped his calloused fingers under Simon's shirt to play at his treasure trail. A nice distraction tactic.
“We've both made mistakes, Si. We're both fuck ups in our own way, yeah?” John whispered softly. “Anne yer doing great, Si. We're literally cuddlin' on this shitty fuckin' bed in yer quarters.”
Simon's resolve wavered once more, and he relaxed ever-so-slightly. Somehow John had saw something worthwhile in him that even he couldn't see. Something no one else had ever seen in him either.
Simon had always been good for a hook-up had the opportunity presented itself, though since his 'death' those had tapered off significantly.
But Johnny didn't want a quick fuck. He wanted to stay. It baffled Simon to no end, and maybe that was why he struggled with this relationship.
“You're the only man I'd.... ever let in. The only one I would let touch me this way.” Simon whispered towards the ceiling.
John leaned in and pressed a gentle kiss to Simon's collarbone. “I know... and it means the world tae me, Si.” he replied, smiling into Simon's body.
“I'll... keep trying... to be better.” Simon stuttered feeling the warmth of Johns lips through his shirt.
“I just want the Si I fell for. I dinnae need you tae be anything ye ain't.” John reassured him.
Simon couldn't help but smile. He was still uncertain he could be the man he knew Johnny deserved, but he also couldn't deny the connection they had. He felt lesser without Johnny. He didn't want to lose this new feeling he had, even if it was causing a tsunami of emotions inside him.
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crossdreamers · 6 months
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Trans Rights in Europe: An East/West Divide
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Euronews reports on the state of transgender policies in various European countries. Iceland is now the most trans supportive nation in this part of the world.
As you will see from the Trans Rights Map, support for transgender people in general follows an west/east divide, where countries in the west are more likely to be positive while former East Block countries are not.
That being said, the UK, Ireland, Portugal and the Netherlands are still not doing enough, and Italy remains trans-restrictive.
In the former Eastern Block , however, Estonia and Montenegro among the progressives. Moldova and Slovenia aren't doing too bad, either, although there is much room for improvement.
According to this ranking Russia, Turkey, Azerbajan, Kazhakstan. Rumania, Latvia and Lithuania are the worst.
According to Euronews countries praised for their development of trans rights were Spain, Moldova, Andorra, Finland and Iceland. This year, Iceland managed to overtake Malta to be listed at the top of the ranking.
Nadya Yurinova from TGEU tells Euronews:
“Ideally, all countries should start with legal gender recognition and access to trans-specific healthcare for all, especially for further marginalised groups at the intersections with refugees, BIPOC, asylum seekers and disabled people communities. We also call for trans-informed journalism and public awareness about trans lives; the discrimination and violence trans people face on a daily basis.”
For more information on how the scores are calculated, go to TGEU.
Legal recognition of transgender people
TGEU sums up the legal recognition side of transgender acceptance in this way:
41 of 54 countries in Europe and Central Asia have legal or administrative measures in place that make legal gender recognition available to trans people. One country in Central Asia (Kazakhstan) currently provides legal gender recognition.
Of the 41 countries offering legal gender recognition:
38 are members of the Council of Europe; 25 are EU Member States.
28 require a mental health diagnosis.
11 demand sterility.
19 still require divorce.
16 have LGR procedures for minors . Of these, 8 enable minors to access legal gender recognition without any age limit; 8 have a minimum age requirement.
11 countries base legal gender recognition procedures on self-determination of the person.
2 countries provide full, and 2 provide partial, legal recognition to non-binary people.
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qarauu · 13 days
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president of kazakhstan criminalised domestic violence. i still can’t believe it took deaths of thousands of women and particularly gruesome death of Saltanat for it to happen. i still can’t believe it wasn’t criminalised before, it’s 2024 out there and we failed Saltanat. hope she rests peacefully
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itstokkii · 8 months
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Turkuzbek hcs because I don't give them enough love!!!!
Age: I was talking to a couple of friends about this! @peonycats believes turkey to be born around the years 900-1000 CE. meanwhile, uzbekistan would be born around the late 1200s, meaning that turkey's older than uzb by 300 years... 😔 rip my sexy milf uzb hcs...
History: they go wayy back. the Timurid Empire actually had a battle with the Ottoman Empire, largely out of the Ottoman Sultan Bayezid I's concern that the Timurids were expanding too far west. while the Ottomans were heading to the east, Timur's forces cut from behind and sieged Ankara, which started the Battle of Ankara(1402). the Timurid Empire won, also holding the title to being the only ones to capture an Ottoman Sultan in person in all of the Ottoman Empire's history. Not only that, but the Timurid Empire kinda caused a civil war in the Ottoman Empire due to the Sultan dying in captivity, causing all his sons to fight about who the legitimate heir was.
Nothing says teenage romance like causing a civil war in someone's empire and starting a record that was never broken for all 700 years of its history ❤️
(it's also said that allegedly the sultan was kept in a gold cage...)
turkey jokes about her bloodthirsty era, to which she tries smashing her face into his neck and slapping his shoulders "stop!!! I was 17 back then ok 😭😭" but will also say "ok but we caused a civil war at your place so"
after the Timurid Empire collapsed, the Ottomans and Uzbeks got along better. the Khwarazm and Bukhara khanates asked turkey to help them with the threat of russian expansion. and the Ottomans and uzbeks worked together to launch offensives against Iran in the late 1500s to early 1600s.
unfortunately i don't really have much for turkuzbek during the rule of imperial russia and the ussr as they barely interacted, and though turkey was the first nation to recognize uzbekistan's independence, relations soured during the first president's administration due to um. Driving turkish companies out because they had prayer mats in their offices 💀💀
BUT after the first president karimov died, the vice president mirziyoyev began to issue reforms and lifted bans on religious activity, causing a revival of islam in uzbekistan. turkey was all for it, so they began to get closer than ever. That's where they currently are in terms of relationships!
hcs:
THEY ARE LOSER HUSBAND X PRETTY WIFE THEY REALLY AREEE
you know when you have that trusted, dependable friend and one night at a sleepover they wanna tell you something and they confess to having a crush on the WORST person for them but they're head over heels in love? yeah that's uzbekistan 😔
she may be younger but if you didn't know it, you'd assume she's the older one based on maturity.
when they do get together, kazakhstan and kyrgyzstan are both...shocked. kazakhstan just thinks turkey's ego is massively inflated and that russia wouldn't appreciate their relationship getting closer, limiting russian economic support, whereas kyrgyzstan looks like one of those stick figures violence reaction images and kazakhstan has to hold him back
he's definitely the type of guy to slam his hand against the wall and corner her just to see her facial expression
he also calls her "Nargiz," a nickname of her name "Nargiza" which also alters her brain chemistry
though, i want to think that uzbekistan does try to make her move...just in private. idk how she'd do that use your imagination i guess?
even when they're in an established relationship, she's mostly affectionate in private. the most turkey's gonna get out of her in public is....h*nd h*lding or arm clutching but even then...she won't do that until they're married(turkuzbek wedding when???)
uzbekistan reading or scrolling through her phone after a long day of work and turkeys like "nargiz...pay attention to me......come on let's make tea......"
They give each other shoulder massages occasionally
when turkey catches uzbekistan reading he joins her
🇹🇷: hey stop turning the pages so quickly
🇺🇿: i can't stay on this page forever
one second he's talking about how manly of a man he is, next second he asks uzbekistan to cuddle him
they both love cats! and they occasionally have friendly fights about who's more hospitable
turkey and uzbekistan also argue about who did it wrong(uzbek osh vs turkish pilaf, and turkey gets upset at uzbekistan's pahlava because "it's a cheap ripoff")
i was reading about strengthening turkey uzbekistan relations and the article said something like "together, the uzbek and turkish presidents band together as hanafi against the wahabi-salafism sect" so imagining this whole convo:
🇸🇦 circa 2018: congratulations on getting your religious freedom back, uzbekistan! what is your next step moving forward?
🇺🇿: well actually i-
🇹🇷: she's with me lol
turkey has a weird obsession with mongolia and the casians' nomadic pasts
🇹🇷: HELLO MY TURKIC MONGOLIC NOMADIC ISLAMIC MARE MILK DRINKING HORSE RIDING STEPPE BROTHERS AND SISTERS
🇺🇿: im sorry sir this is a choyxona(tea house/restaurant)
though turkey is a fellow islamic nation and they do belong to the same sect as uzbeks do, uzbekistan is still a little stricter. lots of turkish dramas had scenes cut from the uzbek premiere, and some dramas were just...not broadcasted due to...spicy scenes(making out i guess??)
🇹🇷: awww, come on they cut out my favorite scene
🇺🇿: your what 😃🔪
they also get along because they have similar tastes in tea! might as well call them tea lovers
turkey prefers his tea with sugar, whereas uzbekistan just drinks it without.
russia looked down on her and the rest of the central asians because "they were in their ignorant peasant barbarian era before I came and changed everything for the better!!!!"
she also had to unhealthily bottle her feelings of nervousness, anxiety, and overwhelming anger as russia kept taking and taking from uzbekistan(things like cotton, and forcing the aral sea into irrigation, causing the 4th largest freshwater lake in the world to dry up), giving little back or nothing at all to uzbekistan
so one of my earliest turkuzbek hcs was that turkey helps her recover from nightmares by the ussr despite her not telling him what happened, and trying to get her to calm down with tea and desserts and that's when she realized she liked him so much.
saudi arabia initially didn't believe someone as "sensible and mature" as uzbekistan would get with turkey, until she herself confirmed it to him 😔 he mourns the loss of another normal person...
🇸🇦: Dear Diary, today we lost the land of Al Tirmidhi...Al Bukhari...our last bastion...to Turkey...now my allies are no more...
turkuzbek use scent as comfort. when one has to go back home after a meeting or event, the other spends the night hugging the pillow they slept with, or wearing a jacket or other article of clothing they left behind.
they steal each other's clothes for this reason!
back in like...2020 a turkish director partnered with the Uzbek Ministry of Culture and Sports to make the Mendirman Jaloliddin drama based on the last ruler of the Khwarazmian Empire before it fell to the Mongols. so anyways they're hyping up their country's actors before they go on set, and meanwhile all actors from both countries see how turkuzbek are and ship it as well lolol
and lastly: just because I'm also korean...soojin is their wingman lolol
This is all my brain could record, so if anyone has anything to add, please do not hesitate and add your hcs!
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Hi! I have followed you for a while and I'm so glad you chose to make this blog and share about your culture. You share so many details that would be difficult to learn about outside of first person experience, especially with the lack of resources about Kazakhstan and Kazakh culture in English.
I am especially grateful for this right now. I have an assignment for a class where I need to right 1000 words about a country I want to go to, and specifically about the deep culture (people’s attitudes, beliefs, and core values, including attitudes towards gender, social status, age, raising children, perception of time, the role of family) and classroom and educational culture.
I am going to dig through your blog and some other Kazakhstan focused blogs on here as one part of my research, and I hope you're okay with me citing you as a source! Additionally, if there's anything more you would like to share about these topics that you think I should include, I would be super grateful for your contribution! It's not a super academically rigorous assignment, but I want to represent Kazakh & Kazakhstani culture well.
Appreciate you so much, hope you have a wonderful day!
Oh wow!!
This is! Unexpected I would say!
First of all I would like to say thank you. Sharing information about my country's culture and history that would usually be unreachable in English was part of the reason why I made this blog, and I am thankful that it inspired so much interest from you.
Also sorry. I might be a bit late to join into your assignment. But, I think one of the main topics I don't usually share about on this blog is the modern state of Kazakhstan as a political space? That's mostly because it is so hard to describe.
Today's Kazakhstan is like waves in the sea. Constantly changing, no direction and always in the same one at once.
Outside mainstream media tends to mainly ignore Kazakhstan in favour of reporting on our more active neighbours, but when it does report it is mainly news like the Bloody January or the continuous autocracy of our government.
But inside it is just a life you know? There is a rise of religious schooling in the south, and the rates of domestic violence don't seem to change, but there are more people disgusted by it, and tenge is always falling.
The thing is, Kazakhstan is in a point in it's history where something will inevitably happen. It is undeniable by just looking at history's own old and recent examples. Which is why it is so hard to describe how Kazakhstan seems to be going both forward and backwards, Westernizing and holding onto Soviet values and Traditional values at the same time, youth becoming more open-minded but also kore religious.
It is a mess.
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