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isagrimorie · 4 years

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So I was looking at the Ahsoka Untold Tales panel from 2016 again (thankfully documented in this blog). And it makes me sad that Disney only gave season 7 13 episodes because dammit there was so many things that was meant to happen!

In the panel we also get a different version from the Martez sisters, instead we would have gotten the scoundrel Nyx Okami (a clear Han Solo type). They released an unfinished cinematic, the difference between Nyx and Trace. Nyx seems to have more of Rafa’s personality here:

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Also, Filoni said that Nyx and Ahsoka were supposed to grow a romantic attachment with each other.

“What’s interesting and, I hesitate to bring this up because it sets the internet afire all the time….I know there’s a contingent here that have a very strong opinion regarding Ahsoka and Lux. Well, she must have a thing for people whose names end with “X”. Because Ahsoka and Nyx…they get kinda close in this arc.”

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Concerning the budding romantic relationship with Nyx, Filoni began to describe how he approached the subject on the series but was briefly interrupted by Ashley jumping in to say “I feel like we’re beating around the bush here. Ahsoka had a boyfriend for a hot minute and his name is Nyx Okami”.

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So, if we had longer episodes... then I suppose something might have developed with Trace or Rafa. Unfortuantely, we have to settle for the truncated episodes and then a sprint to the final, and important arc: Siege of Mandalore.

And one of the story arcs I wish was retained was Ahsoka finding an ancient Sith temple in the depths of Coruscant. And Ahsoka almost finding out and clashing with Palpatine.

The next slide showed a sketch of what would have been part of an intense (but thankfully short) confrontation between Ahsoka and Darth Sidious.

“This was a moment where Ahsoka was actually protecting the holocron vault by impaling her lightsaber in the doorway to melt it shut”, Filoni explained. “And Sidious was actually on the other side of this big door, sending Force lightning up her lightsaber blade and out the other side to attack her. So that was as close a confrontation between the two of them as we got”.

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“The whole purpose of that particular arc”, Hidalgo explained, “was to bring Ahsoka back. She’s not a Jedi, she doesn’t change her decision, but she gets involved in Jedi business again. The war is still going on and she’s a responsible person, so she’s not someone who’s going to run away from her responsibilities”.“She has a lack of trust with the political aspect of the Jedi”, Filoni added. “What Barriss says sinks in and there’s a lot of truth to what Barriss says. But she still trusts Anakin and she trusts Obi-Wan, so she does have people she believes in, that she wants to help, in this galactic time of crisis”.

(Reader beware, the next pages of the blog post might have some major Siege of Mandalore spoilers).

I just hate how many of these stories are now in the backburner because Disney didn’t want to invest more in the final and pivotal season of The Clone Wars.

#untold tales #ahsoka tano #star wars #star wars the clone wars

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gffa · 3 years

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Hi lumi! Are you taking asks at the moment? I couldn't find anything that says otherwise but if I missed it feel free to ignore this also I know I've been sending you many recently😬Do you know anything about the scrapped part of Ahsokas walkabout arc in s7? Where she finds a Sith temple below the Jedi temple on Coruscant and gets back in contact with the Jedi? Like any articles, interviews, links or scripts? I'd love to know more about it but all I could find myself where a few scraps on tumblr and I know you said once you have a reference folder or something? So I wanted to ask if you had anything saved about that arc by any chance or know anything. Thank you!

Hi! Yeah, I'm taking asks (even if I'm crap at getting to them sometimes, mostly because I feel the need to look up a bunch of stuff for them, because I actually don't have a reference folder, I just kind of depend on memory, which is terrible, I know, and yet 😂) and if I decide against that, I'll turn off asks, so don't worry about sending them! As far as I'm aware, there's not a ton available about the original version of "Ahsoka's Walkabout", which is the story we sort of god, the one where she meets Trace and Rafa is "Ahsoka's Walkabout", while the Sith Temple would have been part of the "Return to the Jedi" arc. Which we also don't really have much info about as far as I'm aware, other than a general summary and some concept art. Dave Filoni and Pablo Hidalgo talk about it in the "Ahsoka's Untold Tales" panel from Celebration 2016 and the summary is basically, "Ahsoka teams up with the Jedi (including Anakin) to investigate the Sith shrine under the Jedi Temple and looking for some nefarious entities in the uninhabitable Level 1. At some point, there's something of a confrontation with Sidious, though, not directly."

(“This was a moment where Ahsoka was actually protecting the holocron vault by impaling her lightsaber in the doorway to melt it shut. And Sidious was actually on the other side of this big door, sending Force lightning up her lightsaber blade and out the other side to attack her. So that was as close a confrontation between the two of them as we got”. --Dave Filoni) Bits and pieces have made their way into canon--the novel Tarkin had the Sith shrine under the Jedi Temple, for example, as well as the purpose of this arc was originally to bring Ahsoka back around the Jedi, which was instead put into the Siege of Mandalore arc--but given the way TCW s7 played out (where its her first time interacting with Anakin and the others again), it seems like this arc probably isn't possible anymore, at least not in the form originally conceived. But I think that's all we know about it, unless someone has something to add?

#ahsoka tano #meta #unfinished arcs

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imrowanartist · 3 years

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I just had to draw..Rex...with...long hair...

(I’m sure when Cut said Rex passed through he just forgot to mention that he was with Ahsoka, right? Right??)

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Image ID: [ two images containing sketches of Star Wars characters Rex and Ahsoka. The first shows Rex facing the viewer, his hair quite long and falling into his eyes. He’s looking up at his own hair. He’s wearing some parts of his armor, partially covered up by robes. Ahsoka is standing behind him, wearing her outfit from untold tales. She has her hands in Rex’ hair, looking down at it. The text in the image reads: Ahsoka saying ‘its getting so long’ and Rex saying ‘I should shave it’. The second image is a simple doodle of Ahsoka’s head. She looks very grumpy and the text reads ‘NO!’. End ID]

#captain rex #ahsoka tano #rex and ahsoka #the bad batch spoilers #tcw #sw tcw #the clone wars #star wars #ro's art

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chocomars · 1 year

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When you and your [REDACTED] match, and you can hear someone gagging from afar before loudly shouting out, “Get a fucking room, you two.”

Results from The Poll of Ruthless Battle said lovey dovey won, and here it is. Unfortunately to all people within eyeshot, they stink of infatuation. Being in public doesn’t even stop them smh

I’ve been obsessed with Saby Menyhei’s Ahsoka’s concept art body markings from the moment I laid eyes on it, so here it is again. AND, Untold Tales outfit my beloved <3

#just…….bedroom eyes all around #their friends are Tired #rexsoka #captain rex #ahsoka tano #rebellion era #the clone wars #the bad batch #star wars rebels #marsdraws #marsrb

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ahsokamyqueen · 7 years

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Similarities between Wonder Woman and Ahsoka’s Untold Tales

I have seen Wonder Woman twice, and I loved it! And I couldn’t help but notice similarities from the movie to Ahsoka’s story after she left the Jedi order, as revealed from the Ahsoka’s Untold Tales Panel last year.

Wonder Woman and Ahsoka Tano both grew up in an isolated place ( the island of the amazons, the Jedi order) with little exposure to the outside world, and chose/ are forced to leave this outside world for the first time.

Wonder Woman and Ahsoka Tano both had some sort of “guide” to the outside world (Steve Trevor/Nyx Okami)

Both of these guides became their temporary love interests.

Both have to get used to the outside world, while still being true to themselves. (Ahsoka eventually becomes a vigilante and gets involved in the siege of Mandalore, Diana becomes Wonder Woman)

Idk its hard to explain, but these basic plot similarities I find cool. *shrugs* Has anyone else noticed this?

#ahsoka tano #wonder woman #ahsoka #star wars the clone wars #ahsoka's untold tales #star wars #sw #tcw #swtcw #the clone wars #my observations #my thoughts #mine

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bedlamsbard · 3 years

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Putting aside aesthetics and characterization (inasmuch as I can), I have been trying to logic out why Mando Ahsoka feels so different from Rebels Ahsoka (to me, personally; I know many other people feel fine about it), especially in terms of having a character who’s known in Rebels for her “I am no Jedi” line going to a character who is specifically introduced as “The Jedi” in The Mandalorian. (And who is identified as “Ahsoka Tano, Jedi Knight” on merch -- merch is merch, it’s essentially meaningless, but it’s still a choice that was made somewhere along the line.)

“Shroud of Darkness,” Rebels 2.17

“Twilight of the Apprentice,” Rebels 2.21

This is strictly Doylist and not Watsonian; I don’t care what went on in the character’s life in between Rebels and Mando; I’m trying to guess what was happening in the writers room.

I was noodling through this on Twitter, in case it looks familiar.

My first thought was Dave taking a cut scene from Rebels as canon going into Mando, something he shared on Twitter back in the lead-up to S4. Looking at this again I’m not sure this was a cut scene or a scene that he wrote that never made it into the actual script. (Certainly I can’t see how it would have fit into the episode.)

Here Bendu specifically identifies Ahsoka as “former Jedi Knight.” This is also obviously not canon, because Twitter posts aren’t canon, Dave. (Though that doesn’t mean that he might have taken it as part of his working backstory for the character anyway.)

I was then thinking about TCW and the unused TCW arcs as they existed in 2016 when this aired (with the rough guess that Rebels S2 was probably written in 2014). There are three Ahsoka arcs that were written and existed in 2016 in some form (”scripts and some artwork” is what Pablo Hidalgo says, and some pre-viz and recordings from the original Walkabout arc that were shown at a couple Celebrations), but which hadn’t made it into S6 (which came out in 2014): Ahsoka’s Walkabout (in its original form with Nix Okami instead of the Martez sisters), the Siege of Mandalore, and an arc which would have taken place between those two, “Return to the Jedi.” We know about these because of a panel from Star Wars Celebration Europe in 2016 called Ahsoka’s Untold Tales -- I was actually at this panel, but I haven’t thought about it in a while. Here’s the SW.com liveblog of it; here’s the video.

I remember hearing somewhere that the TCW team had nine seasons or so written, but can’t find the source for that number now. When S7 was made, there were obviously a lot of compromises made that we’ll never really know about, minus a tell-all memoir or documentary, which probably isn’t coming any time soon. Knowing that this Return to the Jedi arc existed, I wondered if at one point Dave had tried to get all three Ahsoka arcs into S7 before having to give one up for the Bad Batch arc (especially as we now know there’s going to be a Bad Batch TV show); it’s also entirely possible that at one point in the production process there was the possibility of a full 22 episode season floated, which would have made three Ahsoka arcs in one season less unbalanced.

I went to go look up what the Return to the Jedi arc actually was, since 2016 was a long time ago and I haven’t really thought about this panel since. My guess is that it had been intended for one Ahsoka arc per remaining season (7, 8, 9). Pablo Hidalgo says that after the Walkabout arc, Ahsoka would have stayed on Coruscant as “an under-city vigilante of some degree, helping people who can’t help themselves,” and Dave points out that he talked about this with George Lucas, as well. The Return of the Jedi arc would have involved Ahsoka finding out about a nefarious plot targeting Yoda and working with the Jedi to figure out what’s what with that -- this revealed that below the Jedi Temple was an ancient Sith shrine. (Some details of this were revealed at Star Wars Celebration Anaheim in 2015.)

Ahsoka would have been protecting the holocron vault from Darth Sidious, putting her lightsaber blade through the door while Palps shoots Force lightning up the blade.

“The whole purpose of that particular arc would have been to bring Ahsoka back. She’s not a Jedi, she doesn’t change her decision, but she gets involved in Jedi business again.”

The next Ahsoka arc and the final arc of the series would have been the Siege of Mandalore arc, which “reunites Ahsoka with the clone troopers, with Anakin.” My guess is that the end of the Return to the Jedi arc would have involved Ahsoka making the decision to go to Mandalore because the Jedi themselves couldn’t get involved in that conflict at the time (especially the emphasis in the panel that Pablo and Dave put on Ahsoka as being “a responsible person” who couldn’t ignore that the war was still going on, and because Ahsoka knew Satine). (It would be interesting to know when if this arc would have fallen before or after the Darth Maul - Son of Dathomir comics, which are based off another unmade TCW arc.) This would probably have put as much as a season between this arc and the final arc -- given TCW’s funky timeline that doesn’t mean much, but in terms of audience expectation it helps.

(also, damn, the context of the beginning of Siege of Mandalore in the original concept vs. how it actually happens in S7 is very different -- like, on the surface identical but the emotions involved are totally different.)

Before going into the next part of the panel (post-war), Pablo Hidalgo adds “We consider it to have happened and that’s how we inform the writing in Rebels, because that’s the history that these characters carry in their heads.”

So going into Rebels, the writing team was working with the background that Ahsoka had not only left the Jedi Order once, in “The Wrong Jedi,” but had reinforced her decision not to go back to the Jedi by not returning to the Order during the Return to the Jedi arc. That explains why in Rebels she’s so adamant about not being a Jedi or being in the Order; it’s a decision that she has made not once, but twice.

Fast forward four years to 2020, where we have the Siege of Mandalore arc in S7.

It’s heavily implied that Ahsoka was planning to go back to the Order after the end of the war, and in fact Yoda treats her as such.

Now, there’s no way to know if this exchange was in the original Siege of Mandalore scripts short of those being released at some point (which is possible but seems unlikely when the character is still in play), but because of the way S7 plays out there is no way to put the Return to the Jedi arc back into the story, which means all the emotional context and Ahsoka doubling down on not returning to the Order is thrown out of the window. That’s a fair chunk of backstory to take into the Rebels writers room.

(It should also be noted that presumably E.K. Johnston wrote the Ahsoka novel with the assumption that that arc was still part of Ahsoka’s working canon, though she may not have seen scripts for it; I feel like I read somewhere that she had seen scripts for the original version of the Siege of Mandalore, which changed quite a lot between original concept and the eventual 2020 version, as is evident from the novel vs the show.)

Going into The Mandalorian, then, Dave Filoni is not only working without a writers room (as Mando has only had two writers, Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau), but working with an entirely different continuity than what the Rebels writers room was working with.

Trying to backtrack when various scripts were written is an exercise in futility to some extent; I usually guess anywhere from a year to two years out from when the shows air. (I seem to remember that around this time in 2016 it came out that Katee Sackhoff was doing something for Disney, which ended up being the recording for Bo-Katan in Rebels S4, which wouldn’t air for another year, but don’t quote me on these dates.) Dave ends the panel by saying that “After the season 2 finale for Rebels I was very adamant that that was it for Ahsoka...in Rebels...but after this reaction it might just be possible...it might be possible to see her again. She might have something to do. Maybe.” (For those trying to run dates in their heads: the con was in July 2016, the season 2 finale aired in March 2016, WBW aired in February 2018.) My guess is that they hadn’t recorded for that part of S4 yet (and S4 is so weirdly paced that I have questions about how it was made), but that the initial scripts for S4 had already been written at this point.

Looking back at the Star Wars Celebration Chicago 2019 TCW panel where Ashley Eckstein talks about getting the news about TCW S7 from Dee Bradley Baker (rather than from Dave Filoni, and hoo boy is this uncomfortable to watch knowing that the script for “The Jedi” had almost certainly been written and Dave may have already made the decision not to talk to Ashley about it), there’s still not like...a clear way to tell when that happened. Except that Dee talks about “wine tasting with the Rebels,” which likely puts it back when Rebels S4 was either still actively airing (2017-2018) or before it had wrapped filming (2017). (I actually vaguely remember seeing pictures from this wine tasting but I can’t remember whose twitter it was on and going to look feels creepy.) Probably the scripts weren’t fully revised at that point but they may have been -- still, this was certainly after S2 and could potentially be before S4 had been fully finalized. We got the TCW renewal announcement in 2019, but the animation wasn’t fully completed yet so didn’t get more than that teaser trailer. This is only important insofar as it involves which set of backstory was being used for WBW Ahsoka, an episode that Dave Filoni wrote and co-directed. (Honestly? I think Mando Ahsoka matches okay with WBW Ahsoka but is a little off Rebels S2 Ahsoka, but that’s off my memory of WBW, an episode I refuse to rewatch.) Certainly with the epilogue he knew he was setting up for something else.

ETA: I FORGOT AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS TIMELINE AND THAT’S THE RISE OF SKYWALKER because I try not to think about TROS, frankly, but as we may remember Ahsoka is included in the “be with me” scene in the final confrontation. This always struck me as weird given the “I am no Jedi” thing from Rebels, but she’s the most well-known female Force-user so I had just mentally written it off as easy shorthand and JJ Abrams being lazy about it. HOWEVER, presumably JJ talked to Dave about which prequel era Jedi to include (there’s a note in one of the previous SWC liveblogs about Rian Johnson being in the Rebels writers room at some point). TROS came out in December 2019, I can’t recall exactly when they did the voiceovers for that scene (if anyone has ever mentioned it), but it was probably fairly late in the process since I believe that there were still edits being made up until fairly soon before the premiere. (I have a completely different theory that the Lego Star Wars Holiday Special from this year was written off an earlier version of TROS.) If Dave had already moved towards making Ahsoka more inclined towards the Jedi, with a full-on return to calling herself one regardless of the existence of the Order (as Mando implies), then her inclusion here makes a LOT more sense than it did a year ago.

Anyway this is all very conspiracy theorist, but it does explain something that was puzzling me: Rebels S2 Ahsoka and Mando Ahsoka (as well as TCW S7 Ahsoka and potentially Rebels S4 Ahsoka) were written off slightly different backstories which differed in one very key thing: how committed Ahsoka was to no longer being a Jedi.

Now, this sort of thing happens all the time in anything with an ongoing continuity; obviously TCW makes major changes to how viewers might read or write Obi-Wan and Anakin/Vader in RotS or the OT. I was just trying to narrow it down in this particular case because until I started thinking about it I had assumed that it was all being written off the same assumed backstory. And many people read Ahsoka differently in Mando than I did or found her perfectly in character, this was for me to track references down about something that was bothering me in hopes of an explanation that would satisfy me.

#bedlam watches the mandalorian #bedlam watches tcw #bedlam watches rebels #mando the jedi #btw this is the same sort of thing I do for academic work this stuff is just easier because I remember it better #and can google it which I usually can't for scholarship

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meandmyechoes · 3 years

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It seems I’m badmouthing Dave Filoni out of nowhere. It seems that way to me even though no one held my words accountable as much as myself so I want to make this clear. I barely brought it up even with friends because I don’t wanna trash people’s optimism.

Before the live-action debut, everyone was saying to me ‘she’s his baby! he will do her right!’ and I really wanna be as optimistic as the rest of us. But the fact is I heard him there on the Untold Tales panel, that he thinks Ahsoka is simply a Star Wars character and should not be limited to animation. Then proceed to give her story to a novel, when hope of bringing Clone Wars back seem lost.

Now I agree with his sentiment in principle, that Ahsoka belongs to the wider Star Wars universe, (and in that particular case for novelization, his choice is suitable). But I also know by age, Dave (and Jon Favreau) are OT fanboys. Their standard of Star Wars would thus always be the magic of live-action. I too love practical effects, but why not keep taking on full benefits of the limitless imagination of animation (at the same time, cheaper) for a world of aliens and space wizards?

Skepticism of Dave is a sensitive topic anywhere. You could have your analysis-oriented vs. cool action, don’t read too deep, or any other opposing forces and Dave’s work is always what seems to bring the fandom together. I’m grateful for that. I’m a loyal believer of Dave since 2010 but since the TCW cast Reunion Season Rebels Season 2, I begin to let a slither of doubt grows, not personally on Dave’s part yet, but of wider usage of Ahsoka’s character.

Though I personally would prefer a longer break, sensibly I know bringing her into live-action will draw more fans and the spotlight on my beloved character. Furthermore, more Ahsoka is better than no Ahsoka, since at this point I don’t think we’ve quite reach Ahsoka saturation yet. Meanwhile, the Mouse can cash in, it should be a win-win situation right? But is Wrong Ahsoka worth it? You see, there are lot of axioms we agree on and it’s paradoxical for me to think ill of Dave. But I’m a skeptical, and I underestimated how much I care.

Sadly, this live-action debut is disappointing in so many ways i really hopes it warns at least some people of the danger of getting to buddy-buddy with the creators and particularly of the danger of fancasting. and remember the Qui-Gon discourse so termed davegate earlier this year? Or the years of sidelining (+whitewashing) the clones in their titular show? Funny enough his last director/writer credit happens to be the lowest rated episode of Season 1. You thought someone who built his whole career on animation would’ve had a little more respect towards the art instead of this length of compromises in favour for live-action. On a galaxy-brain level I hope this is a grand conspiracy to #keep ahsoka animated.

The bests summary i have for this experience is: it felt like a fan film. Did I have high expectations? No, I expected the worst and everything that can go wrong did. I just didn't believe they really went there and then have the nerve to went on a bunch of real-life explanation for why it sucks. It's a mix of realism and replicating animation that seems to lose its footing when Din’s quest collides. It fell short of both characters. I go as far as to think I’m a bad fan because I’ve sunken to the surface level of ‘cool action, forget your brain’ and completely ignored Din’s arc this episode. I feel sorry for him even though The Mandalorian is not my cup of tea. I still wish Star Wars can build another self-sustaining sub-brand in not just merchandise, but storytelling. However much only the first department is Disney’s goal.

The Vanity Fair article kinda drives home all my disappointment. That this is all Dave-approved, and the crafts and stunts team did made a lot of considerations and this is what they come up with. So is the lack of an audition process. I can’t tell which and how much is publicity talk. I’m just so, so disappointed my daughter’s live-action debut isn’t as grand and majestic as it could be. Dave is known for keeping secrets until he has the right means. I really hoped I could in good conscience blame the Mouse on rushing to capitalize Ahsoka and Mando, but there’s no denial in Dave’s involvement in the script and direction of this mess.

I’ve been spoiled on Hong Kong martial arts films so pretty much held an “unrealistic beauty standard” for western fight choreography anyway— (seriously i’ve seen better fight in a literal toddler’s show)

Basically, no expectations, no disappointment.

#sw negativity #sort of. more like sw skepticism #myechoes #m5 madness

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fireflyfish · 4 years

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I was wondering if the new season of TCW is going to affect the new season of Tano and Kenobi? Like is Maul gonna play a bigger role if he had one at all? I mean like in backstory or appearing with the burning man?

Hello there! This is an excellent question and gives me a chance to define a little more clearly what parts of Star Wars I’m working from.

Canon for Tano and Kenobi consists of the following:

The Phantom Menace

Attack of the Clones

Revenge of the Sith

The Clone Wars Seasons 1 through 6

The general arc of Ahsoka’s appearances in Rebels up to and including Twilight of the Apprentice but nothing after that.

I started Tano and Kenobi before Rebels was finished and Ezra went full Time Lord on us to save Ahsoka from Darth I-Cry-And-Make-Bad-Life-Choices Vader. I am curious to see what becomes of Ahsoka the White and how Filoni choses to bring her story to a close.

The Original Trilogy, i.e. A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and The Return of the Jedi

While Ahsoka doesn’t know this is all going to happen, this IS what happened in the timeline she left behind.

Because the full story arc of Tano and Kenobi was planned out before we knew Season 7 was going to come back, I’m not sure if I’ll be able to include it in my story. You may see references here or there but it’s not canon in the same way Seasons 1 through 6 are.

Generally speaking, when it comes to Ahsoka’s back story, I’ve tried to stay roughly in the same neighborhood of what Dave Filoni said in the Ahsoka’s Untold Tales Panel from back in 2016. That being said Padawan Obi-Wan is both amazed and horrified at how bad ass and dangerous his master is being in the last episodes of the Clone Wars. He would really like her to stop fighting Sith Lords in dangerous places where she could theoretically plummet to her death.

I can promise you that Maul was already scheduled to be a part of Tano and Kenobi and we should be seeing him sooner rather that later. His roll in the story remains unchanged but I may give him more dialogue.

Also, while I have borrowed some concepts from the Jedi Apprentice series, namely the threat of Bandomeer and Qui-Gon’s initial rejection of Obi-Wan’s request for training, that’s all I have planned to include. Since the story’s main focus is on Ahsoka and Obi-Wan, I would rather focus on characters they both have some kind of relationship with, i.e. Obi-Wan’s Future Fabulous Masters of the Jedi Order Squad, the Kryze sisters and the Ohnakas. Because I brought that flamboyant woman to life and I can’t just leave her to languish in just one fic. This bejeweled lady needs screentime!

I hope that answered your question and helps everyone else understand which parts of the Star Wars Canon box of scraps I’m working with. Thanks for visiting and have a lovely evening!

#Tano and Kenobi #Tano and Kenobi FAQs #Tano and Kenobi Housekeeping #tcw #tcw season 7 #tcw season 7 spoilers #tcw spoilers #owlgirl1209

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