#also there are also intersex non binary people. I'm certain about that.

[hiiragi7]

Exercise: Exposing intersexism in yourself

Perisex (non-intersex) people please take time to work through this. I'd also appreciate if you reblogged, even if you don't have time to do the exercise.

When you think of an 'intersex body', what comes to mind?

-Do you think of a stereotypical "hermaphrodite"? (Ex. a penis + vagina, a penis + pair of breasts, a very feminine person with a beard)

Do you, or have you ever, used one of the following arguments;

-Intersex people are living proof that trans people exist/that gender/sex is not binary

-Intersex existing disproves everything TERFs/transphobes believe in

-Cis kids with hormone issues are allowed to take HRT or participate in sports, which is hypocritical against trans people

-Nobody is forcing kids into sex reassignment surgery or hormones, that isn't a thing that happens

-Any kind of argument which uses intersex people as a statistic, whether that is framing intersex people existing as either "common" or "rare"

Do you, or have you ever, said any of the following statements;

-Technically I'm biologically intersex now because I took HRT/had surgery, which makes me biologically nonbinary aka intersex

-I tell people that I am intersex/have a hormone condition to avoid discrimination

-I wish I was born as/could become intersex, it would help my dysphoria a lot

-Intersex people are so lucky because they're already biologically nonbinary, they don't even need to transition

-This animal was born with a mix of sex characteristics/without a sex/developed characteristics of the opposite sex over time, which means they're nonbinary/trans

When it comes to sex, do you;

-Believe that sex is binary

-Believe that all intersex people are infertile

-Believe that all intersex people produce both sperm and egg

-Fantasize about intersex bodies, or consume or create porn that displays either intersex bodies or exaggerated stereotypes of hermaphroditic bodies

-Ask invasive questions about what genitals or reproductive organs an intersex person has

-Treat AFAB/AMAB the same as "[non-medically-transitioned] perisex female/perisex male", such as saying "AFAB anatomy" when you really mean vulva, vagina, uterus, ovaries, breasts, and so on

-Believe that HRT/surgery makes you intersex

-Believe that intersex only covers certain types of variation in sex and not others (Ex. Counting ovotestes, CAIS, and CAH as intersex but not counting PCOS or Klinefelter's)

When it comes to creating (artwork, writing, videos, etc), do you;

-Wish to include an intersex character, but do little or no research on how to write/draw them

-Fail to consider how your work will affect real-life intersex people consuming your work

-Ask random intersex people to help you create an intersex character

-Wish to include an intersex character because you personally think intersex people are interesting, or because you are seeking to include as many marginalized identities as you can

-Create intersex characters because you personally find them sexy

-Refer to characters as "hermaphrodites"

-If you create pride artwork or sell pride artwork, if you include a large variety of other LGBT+ identities but do not include intersex, why is this?

When it comes to advocacy work, do you;

-Fail to bring up intersex issues in conversations which should directly involve them, such as the Kansas bathroom bill

-Attempt to push intersex people out of queer spaces by saying that they are not queer

-Fail to recognize or acknowledge how many anti-queer and anti-trans arguments are inherently also anti-intersex arguments

-Say that intersex people are just "collateral damage" or "just caught in the crossfire/targeted by mistake" when it comes to discussing discrimination

-Never think to bring intersex flags or pins or similar to pride even as an ally, contributing to pride being vastly void of intersex pride

-Never attempt to organize protests specifically for intersex rights, or never bring intersex issues up in LGBTQIA+ support groups or resource centers or online

-Never educate others on intersex issues or lift up intersex voices

-Believe that intersex people have more rights than other marginalized groups, or that they are not discriminated against for being intersex

-Believe that all intersex people who are discriminated against are only discriminated against because people believe that they are transgender

Now, not all of these will point towards you being intersexist; however, if you find yourself hitting several points listed here, you do likely have some internalized biases and intersexism to unpack.

#intersex #intersexism #lgbt #lgbtqia #queer #lgbtq #transgender #trans #nonbinary

[faggy--butch]

Really confused by your "lesbian trans men" post. The way I think of "lesbian", it's not a term of identity signification, it's a term for a specific type of sexual orientation and relationship.

It doesn't make sense that someone can be a "lesbian trans man" to me, because they are a trans man first, that is their identity. And because of that identity of being male, they are disqualified from being in a lesbian relationship, because a lesbian relationship is specifically female/female.

I'm not a terf, fuck terfs. A trans woman and a cis woman in a relationship are still lesbians. I'm just confused how a trans man can be a lesbian if he's not a woman. If the trans man is attracted to women, wouldn't that make him heterosexual, therefore straight? I'd understand if he was genderfluid, then he would swap back and forth from straight to lesbian depending on which gender he/she is.

The way I look at it, there are two "categories" of being queer. Identity and orientation. Identity comes first, it's what you are. Orientation comes second, it's what you're into. Identity is stuff like being cis, trans, genderfluid, etc. Orientation is stuff like being straight, gay, bi, ace, etc. And in my mind those two categories are completely separate, except where the orientation category depends on the larger identity category, such as "lesbian" being an orientation applicable to women into women, not applicable to men, trans or otherwise.

Please, educate me if I'm completely wrong in thinking about queerness this way, and why.

Well, I think your first mistake was trying to categorize queerness. Queerness by definition defies the boxes that get put on gender and sexuality. That's part of why a lot of people like calling themselves and the community queer, it's all encompassing. I also take issue with sexuality 'only' being an orientation. I certain identify as a lesbian, my sexual identity is just as important to me as my gender identity. I don't just "like girls" which what orientation is. I'm a lesbian, a dyke, it's a part of who i am. it's the way i define myself along with being butch, and to some people their sexual identity can be even more important than their gender one. To some people their gender identity is in fact lesbian.

You have to get it out of your mind that if something doesn't make sense, that it's wrong. It's not for anyone to tell a person what they can or can't identify as, or if they're misgendering themselves or whatever. I mean go to the HER app and you'll figure out quick that there are trans men in lesbian spaces, identifying as lesbians, there always have been.

Trying to fit trans people into the cishetro view of the world is not only never going to work, but it also actively hurts us. It's saying that we HAVE to be like them, we have to emulate our experiences off of the "real" genders and sexualities of white cishet people. that we have to match or we're doing it wrong, that it's not real until we're like them. As a non binary person i reject that entirely. I don't want people to tell me what they think I am, and I'm not going to do it to anyone else. I think everyone would benefit from learning about multigender, multisexual, and the split attraction model, and like talking to intersex people.

#asks #queer

[olderthannetfic]

I'm a German speaker. I recently found out about a term that's trying to cover the experience of a certain type of group "FLINTA" which stands for Frauen, Lesben, Intersex, Non-binary, Trans and Agender. There's also a version including the Q, but it feels more like an afterthought from what I've seen.

To be clear, Idk how old that term is. I'm just looking at "current trends" of the community, and I see a few of the more intense people in the queer/LGBTQIA+ community using it.

The term specifically does not include any cis men, not gay, bi or asexuals. Why? It's because of "patriarchal systems" from what I gather, but it just come across as excluding any man. Depending on context it even excludes trans men, maybe even trans women, despite being vulnerable individuals.

To explain the trans aspect: A passing transman might be excluded because, well they pass as the idea of cis masculinity. Trans women, other side, a non-passing or closeted trans woman might feel excluded because their identity isn't "obvious" enough.

For some reason it seems to include cishet women though, at least how I understand it? Idk, if some German speaker knows better please explain.

Lesbian is also included as a "special treat" to show that being a lesbian is... extra special? Honestly, while writing this I checked, and it felt more like a "Lesbians are so special, and it's more than just a sexuality, so here you get this extra consideration." Page I found made a kinda very poetic slog about it "Lesbians are beyond a sexuality, all the other sexualities could never understand the spirituality of being a lesbian. The true aspect Weiblichkeit (feminity) without being restricted by the label of "Frau" (Woman) or "Frau sein" (womanhood). A lesbian is not a woman, she's more." -Calm down Beatrice, you like muff. I mean, same bro. But it doesn't make you better than the common bi, pan, or WLW, or whatever other label we got.-

I don't like this term, because it feels like it's trying to be exclusionary without saying it openly. It's really vague, and nobody I've seen use it seems to have one definition of who it covers and whom it doesn't. Hell, some people even say that transmen are explicitly excluded, despite the T, or that AMAB masc presenting NBs and Agenders are excluded because they "still benefit from the patriarchy." same for non-passing trans women. Basic conclusion, it's all a bit of a big ass mess.

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[carlyraejepsans]

So I'm about to ask something that might be personal ? And it deals with some personal baggage that you as someone on the internet might not be interested in hearing about ^^' so you might not want to talk about it as is your right obv !! So uh feel free to tell me to fuck off, but, how did you know you weren't cis?

Ya see, I've been questioning my gender for a while now, and I can't really come up with an answer. I'm a lesbian, that's a pretty big part of my identity, I'm not overly feminine but not masc either, when people refer to me as female I feel super uncomfortable, but I ain't too bothered by some of my body parts, ive daydreamed about switching to they/them pronouns online or masculine pronouns in my native language.... But all of that wouldn't fit with what people might expect of me ? And I'm scared if I actually went through those changes people might think I'm performing a form of queerness I shouldn't be privy to. And the worst part about this is, most of my friends are queer, non binary, trans... Wouldn't they think I'm trying to copy them ? Even though ive had those thoughts long before we met ?

Kinda feel like I'm stuck, and I don't know how to be myself, because myself might not align with how i act or how i seem to be on the outside. idk if you feel the same, but it's especially shitty living in a country with a heavily gendered language you can't escape adjectives forever lmaooo

listen to me. i am holding your face in my hands. nothing and i mean nothing you decide in regards to your gender and/or sexuality will ever be anyone's business but your own. the idea that you can "appropriate" someone else's experience with queerness is a gross bastardization of the discussion on CULTURAL appropriation, which is a false analogy and can devolve into gender essentialism fast.

you have no idea how many trans people (gay people too, but especially trans people) locked themselves in the closet because of that same feeling. of "not beeing privy to those experiences", especially for trans women. i promise, as long as you stop at establishing what a certain label means TO YOU and don't try to decide what it means for other people, then you will never hurt anyone. anyone who says otherwise is a cop.

there are trans men out there who lived as cis lesbians for a very long time, and because that was such a big part of their life, they still think of themselves as such, at least in part. for some it's out of kinship. for some it's out of genuine attachment to the word. same thing with gay men who grew on to become trans women. and trans people in general who still carry their younger selves right by their heart. genderqueers who ended up being cis after all, but who still feel like that period of exploration was crucial in shaping their identity. butch and femme alone, while particularly dear as lesbian identities, encompass all genders and sexualities. wanna know something funny? i throw terms around a lot in english, but if you asked me in italian what my gender identity is, i would say "bisexual". because almost every person in my life who's ever called me bisexual actually meant "nonbinary", or "whatever weird thing those transgendereds got going on lately" (some of them probably meant intersex as well, which just for the record i am not. as far as i know, at least). is it an outdated definition? sure. but unlike the literal italian word for nonbinary, bisexual is actually a neutral noun lol. and after all, my experience with gender does inform my sexuality, just as my sexuality informs my experience with gender. it's not wrong, technically. but if someone somehow assumes I'm a lesbian (which happens a lot lol) i don't usually correct them i just... go with it too, y'know?

anyway, what it sounds like to me is that you're obviously going through a period of questioning your gender and or presentation, which you took notice of, but you also feel some kind of peer pressure or societal expectation from other queer people that is denying you a safe, healthy form of self expression in this new period of your life that you obviously wish for yourself. please, try not to pay it too much mind. try out whatever label or description calls to you. change it without notice if you find something better. and if anyone gives you trouble for it, eat them. good luck buddy.

#answered asks

[iwannayellmyopinons]

So- I recently found out that the Buttress: a pretty popular music artist is a terf, and the shit she had been spewing is so mind-boggling it hurts.

Here are a few tweets of hers outright showing this along with her response once they were brought up.

The tweets:

The responses:

Obviously, I hate all of this. And since she wants a 'proper' argument, I'll share it here.

For one, it isn't just about playing pretend like yoj thinks it is. It is a mental battle for trans people. It isn't just 'feeling' like one sex or another. It's the physical and mental distress of feeling that your body is inherently wrong the way it is originally. Something that has caused many people to end their lives over due to how insufferable it is, with this, it's something that is only helped once the person starts to transition. So no, it isn't just pretend. It's a real struggle that you somehow claim as sexist when it honestly isn't. It doesn't fall under the definition at all. So why are you trying to undermind transpeople for trying to make it so they can look themselves in the mirror and finally feel relieved at the reflection they see?

Secondly, your definition that gender is a social concept is correct - it is, that's why non-binary/genderqueer and other genders that do not fit into either male or female exist, but your definition of actual sex is completely off the mark. You're not taking into account that a part of gender dysmorphia is in part caused by hormones, y'know- the same things you claimed help determine the biological sex of a person. That's why people who are trans need to go through hormonal treatments. To fix the physical chemical imbalances they experience. You're also not taking into account intersex people. Who are BIOLOGICALLY either both male and female or neither based on their outward genitals and reproductive organs. Hell, you aren't even taking in the fact that some women can be born with XY chromosomes, and men can be born with X chromosomes without showing any outward biogical appearances. Meaning yes, you can be STRUCTURALLY a different sex to the biogical sex you have. Granted - this is rare, but it still happens, and we have records to prove it. Meaning the only thing you're able to stand on at that point is the period thing, and even then that's fucking stupid. What about women with menopause? Are they not real women because they can't bleed between their legs anymore? What about women who take birth control and have stopped experiencing their periods thanks to it? Are they not real women?

Thirdly, your idea that since no one is being respectful towards you means you are somehow right is not proof at all, it just proves that what you're saying is so ridiculous that no one wants to take you seriously. All you're doing is spreading hate about a certain minority, and yes- being transgender is considered a minority. Just not the minority you're thinking of given your tweets. It's infact something you are very lucky enough to never experience. But let me ask you a question: What if one day - out of the blue - you suddenly gained a dick. You would still have a feminine appearance, but biogically, you were a guy. Would you be able to call yourself a man? Even if it made you physically uncomfortable/ill to be called such or even look at the new dick you had. Think long and hard about this question, hell- try to even image yourself in such a state. Then maybe, just maybe you'll share a little more respect for the people who had or are currently living like this.

Now, good day to anyone who is reading this. I'm gonna go like nice pictures.

#the buttress #trans men are real men #trans women are real women

[intersex-questions]

do you know the general consensus on using the H-slur to refer to plants and/or animals? I know it shouldn't be used for people but I see a lot of people still using it to talk scientifically about animals or plants so I'm curious if I should be correcting them or not

It's entirely acceptable scientifically. There's no reason to correct! It is not usually offensive when being used towards animals or plants or the such. It is just the scientific term. It's okay if an intersex person feels uncomfortable hearing it, but it is okay to use. No need to correct!

Great question though! Totally valid concern.

However, it should only be used for organisms that are always hermaphrodites, if that makes sense. For example, slugs always have both functioning "male" and "female" reproductive systems. Gonochoric (meaning they function on a binary female/male sex system, like all mammals and birds) organisms are not ever hermaphrodites. They are intersex. A dog born with ovotestes would be intersex, not a hermaphrodite. Hermaphrodite is not only offensive when applied to gonochoric organisms, but scientifically incorrect.

For example, an animal like a male calico cat is intersex, and using hermaphrodite would be scientifically wrong and potentially offensive.

Intersexuality is not to be confused for hermaphroditism. They are not the same.

I'm actually going to school for zoology soon so if you have questions about animals I'd love to answer. I know lots about biology in non-human life forms as well.

To recap:

It's okay to call organisms that don't have different sexes hermaphrodites because that is what they are called. (This means an individual organism can and is "supposed" to sexually reproduce with both male and female gametes/sex cells.)

You shouldn't call a gonochoric organism a hermaphrodite, this is offensive. (Gonochoric means that the organism functions on a system of two sexes, male and female. "Opposite" of hermaphrodites.)

Intersex is usually only applied to gonochoric organisms. It is used to refer to an organism that has mixed sex characteristics in an otherwise understood binary sex system of male and female. You may occasionally see it used in reference to hermaphroditic organisms, but this is usually wrong. (There are hermaphrodite organisms that have intersex individuals as a large portion of their population. There are also animals that frequently have intersex individuals as a part of their population. Some scientists believe that these should be classified as another sex, though, as it's a "natural"/"intended" part of the population.)

Examples of organisms you shouldn't call a hermaphrodite:

A female lion who developed a mane later in life. This is intersex.

Female hyenas. Female hyenas have a pseudopenis, very high testosterone/androgens, and are highest in their social caste. This is just how female hyenas are. They are not inherently intersex, either.

Examples of organisms that are hermaphrodites:

Many molluscs, like snails and slugs.

Most plants that flower

Clown fish. Even though they are born as male and become female later on, they are all still hermaphrodites as they don't function on a binary sex system and possess both female and male gametes at one point. (This is called sequential hermaphroditism.)

There are Wikipedia articles on everything I mentioned, but some of the information may be incorrect or misleading. It says that all female moles of certain species are intersex, which I and many others disagree with. Female moles have both ovarian and testicular tissue, but this is an "intended" part of their biology, meaning it isn't a variation of their "intended" sex. It is okay to use the word intersexual to describe this, as intersexual is used to refer to an organism that has sex traits that we usually consider mixed or androgynous (such as ovarian and testicular tissue), but it is something they are "supposed" to have. Such as in a few mole species. However, some people think it is correct to use intersex for animals like this. There is no common consensus. It is important to understand the nuance of how intersex can be used in a given organism and in non-human biology, as it can refer to different things than in humans.

Sorry for answering so much! Zoology is a special interest of mine and I'm planning to go to school for zoology. I also love biology and sexology.

TLDR; There are organisms that are called hermaphrodites because they have male and female gametes. This is not offensive and scientifically correct. Gonochoric organisms (ones that function on a binary male female sex system, like mammals) are not ever to be called hermaphrodites and should be called intersex.

If I made any scientific mistakes and anyone sees, please correct me!

If you have more questions please ask I love talking about biology and zoology.

#hermaphrodite #hermaphrodites #animals #science #h slur cw #asks #questions

[intersex-support]

hi, um...

firstly, i'm really sorry if this post will makes any intersex person uncomfortable. you can just don't publish it, if you see this question is unacceptable.

and also, tw: dysphoria

i don't know if i am intersex, but let's pretend i am not, just because i don't feel i have a right to call myself this way. especially before any tests.

i called myself non-binary or androgynous, in the childhood, for some reason, i used a word he*****dite.

i have physical and social dysphoria from a both sides, too masc or too fem = day ruined. voice, body, hair, face... all of it. i know intersex ≠ androgyny, i know intersex it is a many variations. i don't think intersex people can't look masculine or feminine (or any other way they want to).

and... let's say... i had really hard times with dysphoria. and now i have it, too. i... i think it sounds ridiculous, but i feel my experience... i think i need to call myself intersex.

well. i said it.

honestly, i'm not sexualizing intersex people or think they look in one certain way. i just feel like i had to be intersex, born as one. i... i really can't explain what it means. i just know it.

i don't think being intersex if fun or *special*. i just want to live normal life with myself. i, honestly, i never will say i have experience as intersex people have. i know, i do not.

it's just really hurt to think i was born F/M, not I. i had to be intersex. maybe it sounds crazy or disrespectful. to me, born as F or M almost similar painful.

i know i will never be able to be myself. it's all was wrong from the very beginning. i don't use any labels such as "intersex" or "transintersex" or whatever. i don't think i have i right to be in intersex spaces as a member, not ally.

my questions are...

do you think my identity have a right to be or it's disrespectful for intersex people? do you believe it exists? will i hurt actually intersex people if i start to call myself intersex?

i'm really sorry. it was almost 10 years of my physical dysphoria and 20 years of social. i thought about this so many times, and i don't know how to stop feel this way.

anon, I will be honest that this question does make me uncomfortable, but I'm going to answer it anyway, because we get a lot of questions like this and yours is one of the less offensively phrased, so I want to take the time to answer this now.

If you are not intersex, you cannot identify as intersex. intersex people are not being mean or cruel when we say this, this is just a fact. And because we are so used to our bodies being fetishized, and people only paying attention to intersex experiences when it is convenient for them, we often are justifiably upset when we are continually asked questions by endosex/dyadic people who want to lay claim to intersex experiences without being intersex. so many people do not understand the extent of intersex oppression, the multifacted ways that stigma can shape our lives, and the amount of violence that many of us face whether it's medical violence, sexual violence, or otherwise. and so many of our experiences are shaped by our other identities--our transness, our race, our disabilities--so many ways that our lives as intersex people can become entangled with the oppression we face. that's not to say that being intersex is inherently a negative or traumatizing experience, but rather to express that the intersex community is so fragmented and isolated that oftentimes, we spend years without ever meeting any other intersex people and internalize our own experiences as our fault rather than understanding the underlying oppressive forces at work. I have so much intersex pride and love being intersex, but that is something that took years for me to be able to say.

being intersex is so much more than just our physical bodies, our diagnoses, or our experiences with dysphoria. i know you said that you understand that being intersex does not equal androgyny, but I'm not sure you actually have accepted what that means when you talk about it at the same time as you talk about your dysphoria around being perceived as masc or fem. I really think you have a lot of misconceptions about what it is like to live as intersex and your questions reflect those misunderstandings. I think statements like "just really hurt to think i was born F/M, not I" are statements that are really hard for intersex people, especially intersex people who experienced IGM at birth, to look at because it reflects such a distance from the ramifications of actually getting marked as "I" at birth.

I believe that your dysphoria is valid and that your distress is real-I'm not intending to invalidate that, and I think that you deserve support and compassion for those experiences. but i do not think intersex community is the space to seek that support, and i do not think calling yourself intersex is something that is an appropriate way to cope with that distress. I do think that it hurts intersex community when endosex people label themselves as intersex because it actively makes it harder for us to build community when we are already so isolated.

I do not have any intention of shaming you for having the dysphoria and experiences you do, but I think you do need to do some more self reflection about the way you engage with intersex community, and develop some clearer boundaries about how you act as an ally without centering yourself. If you want to seek support for these experiences, you need to figure out a way to do it that isn't harmful to the intersex people you interact with, or seek support elsewhere. I do genuinely hope that this dysphoria and distress becomes easier to deal with for you.

also, i think it really isn't appropriate to share that you used to identify as a hermaphrodite as a child. I understand you were a kid and didn't know better, but like, I really hope you understand that hermaphrodite is a slur that is very, very painful for many intersex people to see and we really don't have a lot of interest in hearing any justifications for endosex people using the slur in any context.

overall I can't really stop you from doing anything, I am not the authority on intersex community, and I am only one intersex person and am happy for other intersex people to add on/disagree in the comments. But I am not interested in giving you permission to identify as intersex when you know that you are not intersex.

#asks #intersexism tw #h slur tw #igm tw #endosex/dyadic people: please be very considerate on how you engage with this post. okay to reblog but please do not center yourself #intersex

[nagisasstunningpersonality]

what is your opinion on trans nagisa you seem to understand the characters so well i want to get inside your brain

I mean I'll preface that I am cisgender. I understand a few people hold my opinions in certain kind of regard but I don't want to talk over trans people here. If any trans people want to add to the debate on this, please listen to their opinion first etc. etc.

Honestly I don't personally really enjoy the practice of making characters trans. That being said, there's not exactly much trans representation around so I completely understand why it happens. It's kind of a 'don't like don't read' kind of situation for me. Let me repeat, this is PERSONALLY.

Nagisa in particular has a different weight behind it though. I think making him AFAB trans man (which is usually how people seem to do it, though I've seen non-binary too) changes too much about the other characters. It's tricky because I also totally appreciate how his treatment by Hiromi could reflect upon a trans person's real life experience, and why someone might want to explore that.

Making Nagisa AFAB though in a way 'legitimises' Hiromi's behaviour. This is not me saying a parent rejecting their child's identity is in anyway right or good, it definitely is a bad thing, but I do understand why someone could react negatively in that scenario. The thing about Hiromi (in my interpretation) is that she's seriously mentally ill. Nothing about her treatment of Nagisa is meant to make any kind of sense. If anything, speaking of her forcing a younger Nagisa into dresses, I'd argue it makes her actions less bad if she had a reason to believe her child was a girl. I don't think I'm describing this elegantly so please forgive me for that. It additionally kind of tones down the trying to redo her life via Nagisa aspect.

It also makes a loooot of characters actively transphobic. I know there's been some debate on this issue before. I don't want to dip my toes too deep into it, because some people definitely see it as transphobic already. That being said, Nagisa actually being trans would make a lot of characters a lot more malicious in their actions and add a lot more weight.

In addition, I think there's a moral issue of respecting gender identity. Nagisa canonically insists on multiple occasions he is a cisgender male, which is kind of unique. Due to this, I wonder if serious headcanons (ie 'I see this character as transgender') verge on misgendering (of course trans men are men, but this case would still be denying a part of someone's identity). That being said, I don't think AU type discussions have this issue (ie 'imagine if Nagisa was AFAB'). I would be hypocritical if I did considering my most well known fanfic is literally omegaverse, though that's functionally more like writing someone as intersex I suppose.

TLDR is I don't personally jig with it. I also think in Nagisa's case it's not as simple as just a genitals swap over and creates a lot of secondary narrative problems. That being said though, people should write what they want to write, and we should respect that space when it doesn't cause any tangible harm to others.

#ass class #assassination classroom #ansatsu kyoushitsu #nagisa shiota #trans nagisa

[qweerhet]

what do you think of the argument that being TMA isn't just about what individual randos think of you, but rather about the societal perception of transfems as a whole? so a non-binary person who was AFAB, but has an androgynous appearance and is clocked as transfem will definitely have a shit experience, but they're not raised in a society that explicitly says they're a gross predator who should die (intersecting oppressions notwithstanding), so they're not TMA, even if they get caught in the crossfire sometimes. kind of like sikh get attacked by Islamophobes, but only Muslims are treated as inherently violent and backwards by society at large. I hope I'm conveying it correctly, I'm ambivalent about the whole thing so I'm rephrasing someone else's argument.

eh, i mean, i'm incredibly dubious of the idea that how "individual randos" treat you is meaningfully distinct from how "society as a whole" treats you.

like, you don't really need to be "clocked as transfem" in order to experience transmisogyny, in my experience? it isn't really about people thinking you're a trans woman specifically, inasmuch as it's about the ways that systems are set up to treat people with certain lived experiences.

i.e. if you are a person with tits and a dick and facial hair who identifies as a woman and uses she/her, different parts of society will treat you a certain way regardless of if you were afab, amab, or neither. you're automatically included in any and all "the existence of a penis as violence against women" rhetoric and ideology, for example, and any material fallout of that rhetoric will apply to you as much as it does anyone else with a penis. your assigned gender at birth or identity status as "transfem" or "transmasc" or "intersex" or whatever identity label you choose doesn't really factor into that material experience. you're still a victim of transmisogynistic rhetoric that societally portrays penises as incompatible with womanhood and a threat to other women.

like... yeah, i think transmisogyny is systemic and embedded in how systems treat trans people, i just don't think that an identity label can negate someone being individually affected by those systemic factors. my sister is a transmasculine person who was amab and has been on estrogen + blockers for many many years; when she decided to start identifying as transmasculine, it didn't magically negate all of the systemic transmisogyny she is affected by. (simultaneously, the transmisogyny she faces also doesn't negate the transmisandry she's been dealing with for the past few years, either, but that's a derailment.)

in your example, maybe that nonbinary person is tma? there's a ton of other factors that go into someone's relationship to transmisogyny other than just "has an androgynous appearance," and honestly that's part of why i'm frustrated with trying to boil it down to being about agab or identity labels.

like, is that person gatekept from women's spaces because of their appearance/sex markers? are they portrayed as a sexual predator? do people sexualize even their mundane actions and associate them with sex work, even if they have nothing to do with that line of work? have they been arrested for carrying a condom? do they face extreme bad faith criticism of all their actions, particularly in comparison to the cis women around them? are they treated as disposable within the queer community in a transmisogynistic way? do people perceive their attempts at feminine styles of dress/makeup as failing to be a real woman? are they told that they're too angry, violent, loud, etc, and that these things are because of their "male socialization?" are they experiencing medical transmisogyny? all of these are things that people who were afab can experience, along with people who were amab and people who were neither.

#anonymous #ask

[sick-thing]

Hi! I just learned about Salmacian identities today. I was wondering if u had any resources to learn more about it because your blog came up a lot on the tag.

I've wanted to have both parts since I realized I was trans. I had no idea that there was a word for it. I also rarely talk about it because I was scared people would think I was fetishizing intersex people. I'm a binary trans man and I honestly in my limited research I haven't found many binary trans people who align with the Salmacian identity.

Howdy, I found this which has some info on it https://www.transgendermap.com/welcome/for-trans-people/gender-diverse/salmacian/

There's been a push to change salmacian to "aphrodisian" due to the unfortunate origin of the term (named after a creepo from a Greek myth) but not enough people see that as an issue for the change to really take hold.

Salmacian is also part of a larger identity called "altersex" which, in this context, is basically anyone who's altered their natural-born sex characteristics or wishes to. It can also refer to fictional characters who aren't intersex but have non-standard bodies.

Basically anyone who has or wants both types of genitals can identify as salmacian, some ways to achieve that would be surgery, or being AFAB and taking T and getting a "T-dick", or you could just use a packer, basically anything that makes you feel good lol, I'm certain there are also salmacians who don't do any of that but their ideal body has both parts, all of those are valid ways to be salmacian.

Nowadays most salmacians congregate on the r/salmacian subreddit, be careful though cause there's pictures of genitals on there, there's also a salmacian discord somewhere, I think it's linked on the subreddit? But yeah I've been on there for a long while and it's been pretty great.

There's plenty of binary salmacians, even some cis salmacians too, there's more of us than you'd think, I think like you a lot of us are scared to openly voice this desire due to the fear of being seen as intersexist or fetishizing intersex people, however, there's more to being intersex than just genitals and to reduce them down to just that is pretty shitty, plus dysphoria is never fetishizing lmao, I've been openly salmacian for a while and only been confronted by one person but most people who witnessed it came to my defense. My view is that this is something I didn't choose and can't control and hurts no one so to tell me it's "bad" is... small-minded, bigoted, and just plain wrong lmao.

Anyways I'm glad you found the salmacian identity! I remember being so stoked to finally find a community of people like me.

#salmacian #altersex

[oh-my-im-ply]

I don't see these slogans used as often as I used to, but I still want to talk about it, especially as a polysexual trans person. Be it as a retrospective, or as commentary aimed towards anyone who might still use these slogans today.

"[Bi/pan/mspec people] fall in love with a person, not a gender" and "[Bi/pan/mspec people care about] hearts, not parts!" are really bad slogans. Here's why.

"[Bi/pan/mspec people] fall in love with a person, not a gender" invalidates the love experienced by those whose attraction is impacted by gender, and erases many aromantic mspec folk who don't fall in love.

Falling in love with a whole person is not unique to those who experience attraction to all genders, or regardless of gender. This slogan implies that if you aren't attracted to all genders, or aren't attracted to people regardless of gender, it's impossible to love people for their entire being... "You just love the gender they have."

I'm a polysexual lesbian. I experience physical and emotional attraction to many genders, but I am not attracted to binary men. Gender impacts who I'm attracted to, who I'm comfortable being physically intimate with, and who I'm comfortable being partners with... But that doesn't mean my love is just about gender.

I identified as bi/pan for years, largely in part because of this rhetoric. I struggled to accept who I am and how I really feel, and a lot of it was fueled by slogans like this one. I felt like I had to give all genders a chance, because if I didn't, that would invalidate my love. I felt like I owed it to binary men to try... and to try... and to try again. Because, how could I really love someone if I wasn't willing to set gender aside?

(Among other reasons, because it was a very complex issue.)

And not only does this slogan invalidate the gendered love that many people experience, but it also erases mspecs who don't fall in love to begin with. Bi/pan/mspec people who are aromantic (or on the aromantic spectrum) exist too, including those who never fall in love.

Please don't devalue or invalidate gendered love by implying that it's less about the person than non-gendered love. Slogans like these harm mono-spec LG+ people, multi-spec people who don't fall in love, multi-spec people who aren't attracted to all genders, and even multi-spec people who are attracted to all genders in different ways.

Please don't use this slogan.

"Hearts, not parts" as a bi/pan/mspec slogan is not only dismissive of other sexualities/orientations, but also carries cissexist and endosexist connotations.

Using this as a bi/pan/mspec slogan implies that a person's "parts" are inherently relevant to other orientations. It implies that gender and "parts" are inherently linked. It implies that transgender and intersex people with certain genitals are inherently excluded from certain orientations, even if those orientations include their gender.

Genital preferences are not an inherent aspect of any orientation. In addition to that, some bi/pan/mspec people have genital preferences themselves. Because, ultimately, none of these orientations are defined by genital preferences or lack thereof; they're defined by how gender does or does not factor into one's attraction.

Not only that, but this slogan can also be alienating to bi/pan/mspec people who are romance-averse/repulsed, loveless aros, and heartless aros, for reasons that are probably obvious. Sometimes, it just isn't even about "hearts" to begin with, and that's okay.

The "hearts, not parts" slogan only works if used to explain the experiences of sex-averse/repulsed love-favorable people, because then "parts" refers to genitals in general, rather than associating specific genitals with specific genders.

Please only use "hearts, not parts" to explain how a person can be in love without having sex involved. Please don't use it as a bi/pan/mspec slogan. It originated during a time when transgender, intersex, and aromantic awareness was even less common, and it shows.

These are just my personal thoughts, but I hope that you take them to heart (no pun intended) and consider dropping these slogans if you haven't already.

#Mod Kylo #polysexual #polyromantic #polyalterous #polysensual #polyaesthetic #plysexual #plyromantic #polisexual #poliromantic #ply #bisexual #biromantic #bi #pansexual #panromantic #pan #omnisexual #omniromantic #pluralian #mspec #lgbt #lgbtq #lgbtqia #queer #hearts not parts #text post #gif

[cromulent-marshland]

So, I'm going to be participating in a thing called Alphabet Superset. It was created by this Youtuber named Struthless. Basically, you pick a medium and product and make one a week based on the different letters of the alphabet. I'll link the website below if you want to join.

I will be making full size zines which all have to do revolving around the concept of queer cinema, whether it analysis or about certain movies, there's a good mix of both. They will be at least 10 pages long with full color collages, poems, short stories, articles, etc.

After every week, I will be putting them up on my shop for anyone to purchase.

I also will have a discounted bundle on all 26 of them.

Here's my concepts:

A - Analyzing Queer Cinema

B - Bottoms: the Movie

C - Camp; a queer look at horror movies

D - Divine and her contribution to cinema

E - Everything Everywhere All at Once

F - Fire Island

G - God and the Gays: Religion subtext in queer cinema

H - Hays Code Queer Movies I - Intersex movies

J - The Peoples Joker: A Beautiful trans parody

K - Killing your gays trope

L - Lesbian Icons

M - Moonlight

N - Non Binary voices in cinema

O - Out and Proud LGBTQ actors/actresses

P - Paris is Burning

Q - Queerbaiting

R - Red, White, and Royal Blue

S - Silver Screen queers

T - Trans Icons in Cinema

U - Ugh, not another depressing gay biopic

V - Vampires and the gay book that started it all

W - Watermelon Woman or Wings 1927

X - X Rated movies

Y - You Can Live Forever 2022

Z - Zodiac signs I’d give famous gay characters and why

My links are here when you want to check it out. I will be posting the videos made for other social media sites here as well.

Website | Twitter | Instagram | Art Shop

#alphabet superset #queer #zines

[florenceisfalling]

Good thing here is idk what cafab is and I'm actually very curious why your prefer it! The vague explanation I got from a search was a start, but your experience using that term would help me better understand it as someone with a cognitive disability! /gen

anon you phrased this very kindly, thank you!

there r two common uses of the term casab/cagab, aka "coercively assigned sex/gender at birth." the first is in a specific intersex context and the second is in a more general gender context. there's some controversy on which usage came first.

the first is because intersex people are mistreated by the medical field from the very start of their lives. in order to force them into the binary criteria of "male" or "female," doctors often 1.) decide to pick a sex for them and/or 2.) make surgical changes before they are old enough to know. sometimes, the parents are not even informed or asked. it is unnecessary, sometimes dangerous, and exists solely to coerce people into the idea of "normal" gender and sex. their gender assignment itself is coercive.

i use it more generally, however*. intersex people are not the only ones who experience coercion in regards to their gender. when someone's gender is assigned at birth, it is not just a medical statement, but quickly influences them in a cultural way. looking at gender reveal parties paints a pretty good picture of this. society assumes from the moment you're assigned a gender that it is an immutable part of you, you will follow the social rules of it, and you will never be able to change it. deviating from that birth assignment is unacceptable to society. its used to coerce people into a life they may not want, whether that be because they are trans or just cis and non-conforming to gender roles.

of course, most doctors aren't pulling an evil scheme when assigning a non-intersex person's gender, they're just noting a physical observation. it's important to know what genitals and hormones someone has in order to treat them for certain medical needs. for that reason, the queer community has generally fallen out of practice using "cagab" for people who are not intersex. they use "agab" instead. but some bioessentialism come up in the trans community, and certain otherwise progressive people seem to have lost sight of the ideal of abolishing the binary. some of them seem to have forgotten about intersex folks entirely. you see people make generalizing statements about "afab" this or "amab" that, ignoring the fact that not everyone's assigned sex was correct, and there is no universal gender experience. you see women's groups trying to be more inclusive by saying "afabs" rather than something else that would be more inclusive of trans women. you see people who use "amab" when they mean "person with a penis," even though phalloplasty exists so some trans men have penises. so even queer people who act progressive have fallen into the trap of seeing your assigned sex as an immutable, specific, accurate category that sticks to you forever. to combat that idea, i prefer to use "cagab/casab" regardless of if the person in question is intersex or not.

*i wouldn't call myself intersex, but i genuinely do not know. some people consider the condition i have to be an intersex one, as it changes my hormone levels and reproductive system, but others do not. my doctors are not entirely sure what other conditions may be affecting me.

tl;dr: intersex people's "assigned sex" is often not their actual sex nor accurate to their physical condition, and is tied to medical abuse. their sex assignment is coercive. as for the rest of the world, our gender assignment forces us into rigid categories, and is also flawed. i like to use "cagab" for both reasons.

i hope this makes sense and i'm sorry if it's confusing :'D! i can break it down further if i need to

#also ask me for sources and i'll get some! just not able to atm #identity talks

[aikoiya]

Hello I saw a post you made about you hating sans and saw that you shipped Fran’s before. No hate but yea, Frisk is a child because they are apart of the fallen children. Frisk is also their own character because at the end of the pacifist, they reveal their real name, Frisk, and Flowey even asks you to let Frisk live their life once you complete it. Also, Frisk is controlled by the player like Kris is in deltarune and if you played, Kris is a child who’s adopted by toriel and can rip out their soul whenever they want control of their body. So just like Kris, this happens to frisk who is not a self insert but their own character. Also, Toby has never once called Frisk him or her. He always refers Frisk as they/them.

Okay. This is certainly more like the evidence I was looking for, but I suppose that I meant that Frisk was a self-insert in a similar way to how all silent protagonists are self-insert.

You see, silent protagonists are silent to make it easier for the player to insert themselves into the protag's place. The whole point is for immersion. Now, I'll concede that Frisk is probably a child in canon because you're actually going through the effort to not be rude about it.

Now, if Fox really did design Frisk & Kris & Chara to be non-binary, specifically, & they aren't referred to that way as some sort of next-level immersion idea, then fine, sure. I'm all for it.

At the same time, even if you are right, that won't stop anyone from deciding they'd rather have a boy Frisk or a girl Frisk or a trans Frisk or an intersex Frisk because that's just what fandoms do.

It doesn't stop them from doing it with other characters from other franchises & it won't stop them from doing it to Frisk here.

Why? Because these characters aren't real. Never were & never will be. They are malleable.

Now, I agree to a certain extent. If something is canon, then you should acknowledge it as such. Hartman & J.K. Rowling say their characters aren't trans, so, canonically, they're not & I don't like it when people say that they are as if it were canon.

Because it's one thing to headcanon something, it's another to disregard the creator's intent in favor of your own wants & beliefs & push them as canon. That's disrespectful & it shouldn't happen.

However, in fanon, everything is free real estate. You can do whatever you want so long as you say it's just your headcanon.

As for aging characters up. People age, unless you're saying that characters should always stay the age they were in the source material as unageing dolls even inside fanfiction? If so, then there better be a good explanation as to why.

Not to mention, monsters I bet, age very slowly.

Listen, I'm not advocating for freaking toddlers to date full-grown men. The hell kinda shit is that?!

Nor am I okay with grooming. It's part of why I'm Not Okay(TM) with SessRin. She's literally still 14 when she gives birth in the Yashahime series! No! Yuck! Absolutely not!

If the storywriters had instead waited till she was 18 & they hadn't seen each other in a few years, then sure. Fine. I'd still feel a bit squicky because I always saw them as father/daughter, but that's a me problem.

All I'm saying is, time is a thing & if you want to make believable stories, you include it. Time does this magical thing called aging people. Some like it, some hate it, but it happens regardless.

Also, what about characters that fans create to replace Frisk? Or when a fan makes it so Frisk was an adult from the very beginning? In such a situation, Frisk might as well be a different character that's just using the name 'Frisk.'

I'm just saying. Don't try to limit the fandom's creativity. Some truly amazing stories & aus have come out because fans were able to personalize Frisk as a character they could use. And those stories wouldn't have been as good or had the same plot points if they conformed strictly to canon.

Also, even if Frisk is nb, all that is is pronouns, which are subjective by nature of design according to the current woke culture of today. Despite what some might want you to think, nbs do still conform to a binary, just not a gender binary. It's the biological sex binary.

You see, gender is a social construct & is therefore malleable according to some. However, if that is the case, then sex is a biological construct & is thusly concrete & can’t be changed regardless of gender identity or transaction due to it literally being written in your chromosomes. It is something you develop even before birth & when you die, hundreds of years from now, when people dig your bones up, guess what, they’re gonna look at those bones & analyze what dna is left & you’ll still be the sex you were born as.

As such, you can be nb & also be female or male because that's how human, & mammalian biology in-general, works.

Thing is, because Fox is so consistent with making Frisk, Chara, & Kris all theys, we have zero clue as to their canon biological sexes if he even gave them any (unless they're literally just supposed to be living mannequins under there) & that allows fans the freedom of choosing their sex & still have nb gender pronouns. So, that doesn't go against canon at all.

#ut #frisk #non binary #aging #characters #fiction vs reality #canon vs fanon #gender vs sex #anti-pedophilia

[indielowercase]

white trans woman refusing to discuss the nuance of race. being a white woman means they still have privilege over even cis black men and other men of color. when they refuse to consider that in these conversations that thats racism. openly talking about how they hate all men including other queer men/masc folks, men of color, disabled men all men who face bigotry at the hands of society makes them a bigot

being trans doesnt erase their whiteness and the only people i see using tme/tma have been racist white trans people funny how the trans women of color i know never use those terms and how its extremely common that those terms are used to harm and harass trans masc/men especially those who are not white and how trans men and yes even cis men still face misogyny at the hands of society. it goes hand in hand with homophobia. the tme/tma binary is also transphobic to people who are intersex and non binary

transmisogyny exists and is terrible and the solution isnt being horrible to other trans people who have different experiences cause again thats a very white and usually american way of thinking cause god forbid other cultures and how they deal with things exist

ok i'm back from sleep and work

so this is opinion, not proof. you haven't given me anything i could use to confirm this for myself. while i understand why you'd want to send these on anon, all that together makes me considerably less likely to take you on your word.

with just the info provided and gleaning from conversations i've read, it sounds like you're discussing her individual privilege over another individual in discussion on tumblr. this doesn't tell me anything about the actual interaction. saying a white trans woman has privilege over a black cis man is uhhhhhhhh questionable at best we'll say. she may have been racist, the other party may have been misogynist towards her. neither may have happened and one, the other, or both could have just been assholes. i have no idea.

your personal interactions with people aren't the only ones that happen, online or otherwise. i've seen very thoughtful discussions of tme/tma as tools in certain contexts to discuss structural (not individual) oppression of trans women that doesn't happen on a larger scale or systemically to people who are not trans women. then again i've seen it listed alongside other identity markers in people's bios (always tme not tma tho), which makes me feel weird because it's like saying "antiblackness exempt" instead of your race so like there's that. it's useful as a description of transmisogyny specifically but not as like an identity category that's fucking weird but that's also not how i've seen it used the majority of the time (this may be a personal experience difference between us)

i haven't seen it used as a cudgel against trans men. i have seen trans men use it in discussion while trying to claim transmisogyny effects them too (always within the context of discussion of transmisandry) which is something i don't understand at all. i'm a trans man in a pink collar job and while the pay gap for a man working in elementary education (me) or as a nurse (not me) effects any man working in that field, i think it would be weird and inaccurate to say we experience misogyny because of that. this sounds nitpicky but being effected by it vs being the target/experiencing a particular bigotry or structural bias feels like an important distinction to me. the structural forces of bigotry are used as a method of social control, yes, much like homophobia and racism. it's a tool used to make sure "we" aren't too much like "them" because being "them" is bad (because we treat them badly and also their identity category is incapable of doing anything outside of what we prescribe to it.)

or, put another way, white people aren't structurally effected by anti-asian racism because kids at comedian john mulaney's elementary school were racist to him because they thought he looked asian.

nothing here aligns with any terf ideas. someone saying they hate men does not a terf make. if you mean gender essentialist please say so instead.

i would like to say, you're damn right the solution isn't to be horrible to other trans people.

#anon #sorry for bringing up john mulaney that just felt succinct #pretty much all online hate i've gotten for being trans has assumed i'm a trans woman and immediately brought up my hypothetical genitals #that does not mean i have ongoing structural experience of transmisogyny #really not sure what to do with that last part those seem like broader ideas that need more space than we might have in this ask discussion

[10holmes]

Biological sex is not arbitrary and a matter of personal identity. Intersex people are male or female. There is no third sex. You just sound ignorant and how it's not a matter of our disorders confusing you but your intention to reject us. If we have a uterus, we're female. It's the female reproductive organ. You should educate yourself instead of clinging to 5th grade biology and whatever mutuals said about intersex people which made you deny our sex. And I know you're a self hating white woman and all, but try to not reduce womanhood to femininity. That's the social construct, not our sex.

Intersex is a recognized biological sex, please stop sticking to your narrow-minded and conservative, 5th year biology knowledge. You rather show yourself to be very ignorant yourself with this ask...

Sex and gender are arbitrary concepts, which means certain characteristics were randomly assigned to these random categories ages and ages past and they are culturally and socially, also historically dependent and therefore not universally, 100%, all-time reliable and natural concepts, but in fact made up due to wanting to depict a morsel of the visible reality in language. Look up how arbitrariness of language works. Interesting stuff.

So, I see, you define "woman" and "female" by the fact whether a person has a uterus? Alright, then what about my mum? She's a woman but doesn't have a uterus because it has been removed. Is she not a woman anymore? Alright... Then what about women that don't have a uterus because they just weren't born with one but they may still have ovaries or also the other way around? No women? Mm.. they might disagree...

Also are you really telling me you reduce "women" and being "female" to an organ being used to be able to have children? Isn't that objectifying women? Isn't that misogynistic because you only see those as women that could potentially have a baby? But some women may not want to be defined by their fertility or by being able to reproduce? What about them?

Reducing womanhood to feminity? Terfs do this. They are very eager about promoting these narrow concepts of what feminity and womanhood are supposed to be like...

I don't think in terms of feminity or womanhood though, as I'm non-binary. I just look at stuff and lable it "feminine-coded" or "male-coded" or typically assigned to womanhood or manhood because that is how it is. Society and media have assigned certain traits, styles, appearances characteristics to "feminity" or "masculinity" when in fact these traits etc are all shared among humans and shouldn't be restricted by these categories. That's why we have all these issues with girls being labeled tomboys just because they may dress or act more "masculine" or boys being laughed at for wearing skirts or make-up... "femininity" and "womanhood" should not be rigid categories enforcing outdated gendernorms... They should be open, fluid concepts allowing for deviation or open hollows at the fringes.

It's all a social construct - both womanhood and feminity - by the way.