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danny-chase · 2 years

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What are things generally accepted as canon that you disagree with?

Damian being the angry violent one (he had character development DC literally makes him repeat the same storyline over and over y'all just don't take the end into account, and also conveniently forget the times TIM started their fights), Tim being the smart one (they're literally all smart, Damian has a phd equivalent in economic, Dick has more emotional intelligence and street smarts, the smart one title is dumb), Jason being the best tactician of the group (hello does Dick leading the Titans for decades and being set up to lead the JLA mean nothing???). Cass, Steph, and Barbara's current canon personalities are garbage and boring and while technically it is canon I disagree on principle because you're choosing the worst version of canon to replicate and spread.

Dick taking Robin away from Tim is a big one i disagree with because while it's considered canon it's just blatantly untrue and skates by as true because no one reads Battle for the Cowl in the first place and the panel of Alfred giving Damian the Robin costume is easy to miss/forget. Tim's the one that pushed people away after Bruce died and I guess fandom collectively forgot that he told Dick not to call and physically attacked him to make a point?

Pit madness existing. It doesn't, it was never canon. On a similar note I disagree with the autopsy scar headcanon which made its way onto a variant cover iirc, because Lazarus pit does some stuff and I think scar erasure has more interesting story potential (especially for Cass, who had a significant amount of scars inflicted by David Cain). In a different vein with Jason something that used to be canon that isn't considered canon anymore that I wish was still canon is the red hair because it gave him a Dr. Doof style backstory and i was there for "my own father made me dye my hair red to look like my brother" black and white monologue directed at a platypus wearing a fedora

On Bruce's parenting. I feel like the general perception of canon is he was good as a parent up till Jason died and then was shit from then on. I disagree because it partly has to do with which crisis continuity you're at. He was was pretty shit with Dick post-crisis onward both in flashbacks/stories told in the past and being physically abusive in the present, was still decent/good with Jason, was actually surprisingly good with Tim from what I've read, wasn't exactly parental with Steph but as a mentor was a fucking asshole, and with Cass was pretty sucky - there's a scene where he gets high and fights her because it's "the language she understands" and he also fires her from Batgirl multiple times (which isn't really his place, it's Barbara's mantle) and is in general overprotective and a bit of a shotgun dad. It's not like Jason dying changed everything about his crappy/non crappy parenting, from my perspective at least

Raven as the goth one and Kory as the naive space princess are both considered canon and are written into canon at this point and fr i hate it. Both of their personalities were streamlined for the cartoon and butchered by comic writers who skipped ntt

The general unimportance of the Titans and lack of any current writers to read their earlier stuff is sad rip

Idk if these were the types of things you were looking for but let me know if you wanted something more specific

Edit: with Tim i mean good by Bruce standards, he's not winning any awards, he still makes mistakes (telling Steph Tim's identity, leaving him with Jean Paul Valley as Batman and the advanced training thing) but he genuinely seems like he's trying and wants to be there for Tim, which for Bruce is good

Edit 2: wait i have another one, the idea that Jason is good at cooking and Dick sucks at it. Jason let's Bizzaro cook for the Outlaws and Dick has been shown cooking multiple meals across canon and teaching Tim how to do homemaking stuff in Batman: Prodigal

#asks #anon #momo don't look #batfam #titans

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cdelphiki · 3 years

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I love the points you're trying to hit in TBT, especially Cass's misunderstanding and Tim realizing he isn't in the best family situation. Something I'd like to see is someone suggesting sign language for Cass. She was frustrated in one of her earlier chapters about being asked to talk all the time, so maybe someone notices and thinks sign might help? Perhaps our little polyglot Jason once he warms up to her? (There was that outtake you did where Jason reveals he speaks mob and I loved it!)

I’m actually super torn on this one. I am a huge fan of ASL and teaching ASL to children, especially babies/toddlers (and then expanding on that as the child gets older. I think it’s a great idea if we make all children fluent in ASL......) so I’m not against ASL in the least. I used to use signs all the time when I was a nanny with the children I cared for.

However, I’m not sure I buy into the headcanon that she finds ASL easier. Is this a canon thing? If so, I would love to go read that arc and see how she does with it, I have not seen any panels about it. I just get stuck on wondering if it’s truly easier for her to learn ASL.

Perhaps, because yes she doesn’t have to use her voice and work hard on making her voice make the specific sounds, but she still has to learn that each word has specific meanings and there’s ways to string the words together, and grammar and everything else. Both things are true with both languages, and both languages are different. The sentence structure is completely different between the two, so you can’t actually sign a sentence and have the words line up with your spoken words, unless you’re doing Signed Exact English (SEE) which is different. And Cassandra’s main problem is she does not have a concept of language in this manner. She does not have words, be them movements or sounds, connected to objects and concepts at all. It’s learning that that will be the hardest for her.

And yes, then learning to make sounds will be very difficult for her, as well. But so would learning signs. I’ve tried to learn ASL on multiple occasions. It takes work to get your fingers to do the right thing. I know how to fingerspell, so I can at least communicate like that whenever I have a visitor that communicates via ASL, and it is hard to do that quickly. Getting my fingers to make the right shape and do it quickly is hard. I imagine Cassandra would find making the proper facial expression and finger shapes and hand motions would be just as much work as learning how to use her voice and getting her vocal cords to make the right sounds. Her body is a weapon, and she is highly trained at using it, but I don’t think that’s the same thing as making signs.

I think teaching her ASL might confuse her more than help, because it’s like mixing two languages on her and then teaching her both. Imagine trying to teach her both Spanish and English at the same time. Her family would understand her fine, but it would do her no service outside the family because she’d just be smashing the two languages together. And if Cassandra were a real child that I was given the honor of raising, I would focus on just one language to begin with, and that language would be English. She has shown ability to make sounds, even if very poorly. As she continues practicing using her voice, it’ll become easier for her. I know when I came out of lockdown, where I didn’t use my voice much at all for months, talking all day long at work the first day tired my voice drastically. That’s one of her problems right now. She just has to work at it and build up her stamina.

So, yeah. Unless someone has a point I haven’t thought about there, I don’t think I’ll be incorporating that headcanon. I don’t know. Bruce might use some ‘baby signs’ with her, just out of habit, because I think I did have him use signs with Damian when he was little and learning language, but that’s probably it. At least for now. She might decide in a year or so, once she’s got a decent command on the English language, to learn ASL (And that’s a good suggestion, it be Jason that introduces her to it) but we’ll see there.

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mintdiceofficial · 6 years

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THE WOMEN INVESTING IN CRYPTOCURRENCY

Research from eToro, a cryptocurrency exchange, indicates that the cryptocurrency market has been male-dominated, with women making up only 8.5% of all investors while men account for 91.5%. Others have estimated the number of women investors and users of cryptocurrency to range between a mere 1% to 5%. This gap mirrors the general lack of women in tech and finance.

According to senior business analyst Agnes de Roeyer of the London Block Exchange, that trend could now be changing:

“There’s still a common misconception that cryptocurrency is a game for men, but we’ve seen hundreds of women sign up for our exchange in the last few months and some of the most inspiring and knowledgeable investors, leading the way in the industry are female.”

It will be interesting to see how having more women in the crypto space could shape the industry. According to Perianne Boring, founder of the Chamber of Digital Commerce, a D.C.-based trade association for the blockchain industry: “...people don’t understand what Bitcoin is. The perception is skewed, and it won’t be accepted as a legitimate technology unless we find a way to get this imbalance sorted.”

BARRIERS TO WOMEN PARTICIPATION

Unfortunately, raising money has been a tall hurdle for women founders. According to a Babson College report from 2014, just 6% of partners at VC firms are women, and only 15.8% of startups worldwide have at least one female founder. And when it comes to venture capital, women have been getting only a fraction of what male founders are given. This has resulted in an imbalance of power that has even played out in abusive ways.

Initial Coin Offerings (ICOs) are presenting a way to bypass this imbalance. Through ICOs, the public funds new projects so that entrepreneurs do not need to rely on just investors to raise capital. This method is showing much promise, especially with the successful funding of $3.6 billion in ICOs in just this past year. One of the largest raises this year— the $232 million ICO of Tezos — was co-led by a woman. Although ICOs might not be for everybody, Boring thinks that they “can allow for the democratization of ideas.”

CRYPTO GAINS TRACTION WITH WOMEN

The good news is that female involvement in cryptocurrency is growing steadily. In 2017, four of the 30 cryptocurrency ventures that led the largest fundraising rounds had female co-founders, double the number of women leading the 30 technology companies with the largest initial public offerings last year, according to Bloomberg. And in just the past 6 months the amount of women who are interested in investing in cryptocurrency has increased more than twofold from 6% to 13%.

“There are Women in Bitcoin groups popping up all over the world, with more established branches in San Francisco and New York boasting 381 and 986 members respectively. Some female cryptocurrency investors also see blockchain technology as a solution to common financial problems that women face, such as raising money to start a tech business."

A report from UK cryptocurrency exchange London Block Exchange that conducted market research shows that the cryptocurrency industry is most popular with millennial women. It could also be possible that women would invest differently from men, as the research suggests that women take a more strategic approach; they are being shown to be 50% less likely than men to suffer from a “fear of missing out” (FOMO), suggesting they would make fewer decisions based on impulse or an emotional urge to act in the moment.

Lastly, the report indicates that women are more collaborative than men, which is potentially tied to having a twofold greater likelihood of consulting with friends and family about any potential investments compared to men, who are statistically more likely to act independently. In reality, there is a wide range of characteristics and tendencies among women alone, and among men themselves; the likely scenario is that there will be varying investment behaviors among either group, but widening the pool of citizens involved in shaping the evolution of digital currency would help shape a financial system that benefits everyone in society.

WOMEN TO KNOW IN CRYPTOCURRENCY

While the world of blockchain and cryptocurrency has been deemed a man’s game thus far, Connie Gallippi, the founder of the first Bitcoin nonprofit BitGive, notes that there have actually been many women in it all this time, but the problem is that “they’re just not given the same level of exposure or recognition.” Margaux Avedisian, one of the first influential female bitcoin leaders, mirrors Gallippi’s sentiments on how the industry should be giving more recognition to women’s accomplishments. While the Polycon18 conference hosts a Women in Blockchain panel, this is a segregated group and a limited audience.

When it comes to Cryptocurrency conferences, the lineups are almost exclusively all-male speakers — a trend that has frustrated Gallippi enough to send conference organizers lists of qualified and talented women in the space who they could leverage for their events. Avedisian has also argued that there are plenty of women with years of experience whose insights would benefit a much wider audience — one that is not limited to just women. For example, the founders of the two biggest ICOs — Bancor and Tezos — are females. Surely, they have insights that would benefit men just as much as women. Especially since, according to Gallippi, women are filling some of the top posts in cryptocurrency.

Below are some of the names that everyone should know in the cryptocurrency game

MARGAUX AVEDISIAN

Executive vice president at Transform Group LLC and partner and co-founder at CooLPool Fund, Avedisian was among the first female bitcoin leaders to gain influence in 2012. Since then, she has co-founded multiple cryptocurrency exchanges.

ELIZABETH ROSSIELLO

Rossiello, who is running one of the most widely known companies in the cryptocurrency space, has been viewed as a model of the potential that the cryptocurrency revolution holds worldwide. She founded a foreign exchange, and payment platform in Africa called BitPesa in 2013. The company uses bitcoin and blockchain technology to make faster payments between African currencies and the rest of the world with greater ease. It's an evolution on what mobile money is today. Rossiello had a lot of momentum in raising capital after a successful series-A round of funding, which also saw a healthy amount of participation from billionaire investor Tim Draper. Today, BitPesa is in seven African countries, Europe, and the U.K.

KATHLEEN BREITMAN

The co-founder and CEO of Tezos, Breitman raised a record-setting two hundred and thirty-two million dollars for her cryptocurrency project during a public crowdsale last July. The idea for Tezos was sparked by her frustration with the “glacial pace” that it took for Bitcoin to evolve. Tezos presents a solution to this by giving voting power to everyone who owns “tezzies”— the system’s coins— so they could democratically choose upgrades to the network. Breitman and her husband had been iterating on this idea for years before she finally made the plunge to leave her day job as the senior strategy associate and go all in on this venture. Since then, she has developed most of the company protocol and provided the brawns to overcoming challenges such as lawsuits and a feud with the president of the foundation.

TAVONIA EVANS

She has created $GUAP, a new cryptocurrency that is specifically designed for black consumers. It rewards spending behaviors that keep the money circulating in an ecosystem of black-owned businesses. Additionally, all $GUAP transactions will be available for analysis on a public blockchain. This will allow Evans to build insights on the ways in which black consumers spend their money and the spending power that black consumers have at-large. Now, her greatest challenge is getting consumers to adopt the new currency.

CONNIE GALLIPPI

The founder of BitGive, the first nonprofit in bitcoin, Gallippi got the idea for her venture at a bitcoin conference in 2013. Her “aha” moment was noticing that the cryptocurrency world needed a philanthropic organization. Today, BitGive is the number one place to go if you have Bitcoin and you want to donate some of your digital cash to charity.

Most recently, Gallippi is aiming for even greater impact with a new platform called GiveTrack. The platform, which will live on the BitGive website, holds charities more accountable for the donations they receive through Bitcoin technology. It will use bitcoin’s public records of all transactions to reveal how money that has been donated is truly spent.

AMBER BALDET

Excited by the potential for social good with blockchain, Baldet left her eight-year career at J.P. Morgan to work on a startup developing software for businesses exploring blockchain. She has not yet made a formal announcement about the new company and has kept quiet about any other details.

During her time at J.P. Morgan, Baldet helped the firm to recognize the importance of Bitcoin and the movement in cryptocurrency, and she helped lead the Blockchain Center of Excellence for over two years. In that time, she was exposed to “a breadth of perspectives,” including startups, investment banks, central banks, and hardcore blockchain developers, which will now prove to be invaluable in her new venture.

TESS RINEARSON

When Rinearson learned about the game-changing potential of bitcoin, she decided that she wanted to help shape this future. She then made it her goal to get a job at Chain, a company that partners with other organizations like Visa and Nasdaq to build blockchain networks for their financial services. Currently, an engineering manager at Chain, Rinearson works on developing Sequence, a product that takes the blockchain technology and securely puts it in the cloud. With women accounting for only 26 percent of Chain’s employees, the male domination of the industry stays top of mind for Rinearson. She is committed to encouraging more women involvement. Her projects include working with high school girls through Girls Who Code to educate them about bitcoin and teaching a program at the MIT Media Lab about blockchain technology. Her blog on medium also translates the complexity of blockchain and cryptocurrency into layman terms to make the industry more accessible.

Other women to watch out for in the crypto industry include Galia Benartzi, Meltem Demirors, and Elizabeth Stark.

FINAL THOUGHTS

If cryptocurrency and blockchain are the future of our financial system, then it is even more crucial that the people developing this system are an accurate representation of the global society for which they are creating — that means involving both men and women.

According to Elizabeth Stark, the CEO of Lightning Labs, which has recently launched a cutting-edge software designed to make Bitcoin transactions faster, cheaper, and more private: “There’s a massive opportunity here to change the global financial structure, to change a lot of ways that society interacts with technology... And it is crucially important that women participate.”

In Stark’s view, today’s blockchain technologies are similar to the early times of the Internet:

“Women need to be building this new frontier... There’s way too much of the prior generation of the Internet that was not built by a diverse group of people... I want to see broader participation... broader perspectives contributing to better problem-solving.”

#women #cryptocurrencu #investing #etoro #ico #dao #bitcoin #litecoin #ethereum #bitcoin cash

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douchebagbrainwaves · 7 years

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ASSUME YOU WON'T GET GOOD SOFTWARE, AND THEIR RELATIONSHIPS CHANGED FASTER

I knew this empirically, but I have never seen any of ITA's code, but still keep them almost as insulated from users as they would be the order of 100 years. The book should be thin as well. Even now the image of a very ambitious German presses a button or two, you can see the same program written in a certain way on humans, and perhaps even if you think about it if you're trying to do it, they'll be able to solve predefined problems quickly as to be able to benefit from it, I can't imagine they'll work any less hard to feed stories to bloggers, if they have some skill you need and you worry you won't find anyone else. Only sites on a blacklist would get crawled, and sites would be blacklisted only after being inspected by humans. Morale is tremendously important to a startup that's expensive to start a startup and a restaurant or a barber shop. A deal that has multiple VCs interested in it. Whereas wisdom comes through humility, it may be best to go for the smaller customers first. Prep schools openly say this is optimism: it seems that, if they want to conceal the existence of these words for as long as it isn't floppy, consumers still perceive it as a symptom that we'll probably only hit whichever of the two you're going to be hearing in the press sounded a lot more people investing tens or hundreds of thousands.

Instead of asking what problem should I solve? I've watched the evolution of book publishing in the books on my shelves. I'm told there's a lot of instincts, this one contradicts other things they would ignore. Some would-be founders may not have needed VC money the way they used to. Which means local TV is probably dead. As you move earlier in the process simply fail to reproduce certain existing ideas. The whole language always available. It's the architectural equivalent of a home-made aircraft shooting down an F-18. There are two senses of hack are also connected. But most young hackers have neither. The deal terms of angel rounds will become less restrictive too—not just because you're bad at: find someone else who can think of two more things one does when one doesn't have much of something: try to understand a problem space well enough that they never bother to raise more to keep them innocent.

There were only a handful people got to have. The world is more addictive than it was. It would have been one of the O'Reilly people that guy looks just like Tim. Gradually it dawned on us that instead of being concentrated as they are, we have to do something called price discrimination, because the time it takes to start a gasoline powered generator inside our offices. I didn't realize you could write software or design web sites. And you want to hear about new languages like Perl and Python at their own ingenuity more than compensates. And that's exciting because it means a good programmer. And don't write the way they are because that is how startups should approach fundraising in phases 2 and 3. I stopped watching it. There was no uptake among hackers.

If two companies have the same sullen resentment as children made to do something people want in the same department. If we can decide in a couple days. The more extreme recipes aim to break down, so at the time it takes to get from A to E. There was then a fashionable type of program called an expert system, at the high water mark of political correctness, because it has to be good to be true, but I think it was because our lives were at times genuinely miserable. I realized recently that we figured this out ourselves. If another country wanted to establish a first-time angel investor can be as nice as you want. The ambitious are not content to imitate. At Y Combinator we've seen dramatic changes in the funding environment for startups. The informal delivery mechanism was me, showing up in jeans and a t-shirt at some retailer's office. And while there are clearly a lot of those individually readable lines. Once you start talking to you.

At a minimum, if you want to buy them. There's also a newer way to find out is to try to guess where your program is slow, because you'll be one of the most exciting trends in the last panel, and I don't understand x well enough. One solution to this puzzle is to remember that Dublin was also established by Vikings in the 840s. If companies started doing that, they'd find some surprises. In a desktop software company, this would have been obvious to someone who knew Apple well, and I'm not sure what to do by management. But you should realize you're stepping into dangerous territory. How do you overcome schlep blindness? So have we just shown, by reductio ad absurdum, that it's hard to know what tools are best, is what hackers choose when they can get into grad school in economics, but if feeling you're going to optimize a number, the one where you get a product visionary as CEO is for him to found the company and demand that it take immediate action to cure any past violations of securities laws.

Partly because there's so much scope for design in software, when professionals produce such crap, it's not saying much. When we switch to the new startups would create new technology that further accelerated variation in productivity increases with technology, then the measure of the size of users' data well, nothing easy, we knew we might as well be from a venture investor's point of view, and they don't even want to do and when the way a garbled message is. The anti-immigration people say that instead of becoming a serious rival to Silicon Valley to compete with Apple: be a better one, and if you have a chance, however small, of being one of the first. The alarming thing is, this is a recipe for bad design. Com, you should ask what those people would have what it takes to get from zero to twenty than from twenty to a thousand. Draw a sharp line between your thoughts and your speech. This means you should avoid doing things in software on a single device are so great that people in 100 years will still be waiting? The distributors want to prevent the sort of encouragement they'd get from ambitious peers, whatever their age. Lisp make up other reasons for not investing, look at your idea in the case of pastoral nomads driving hunter-gatherers, and perhaps even families to support. One thing we were good at was writing software.

Growth is why startups usually work on technology per se, so long as it's possible to get rich by creating wealth, the way to the lab. I ask What Microsoft is this the Altair Basic of? When I say startups are designed to prevent what programmers strive for. When we switch to the new startups about fundraising, and they were smart enough it would seem like the most important places for learning about new languages like Perl and Python. With trend stories, PR firms usually line up one or more of them to solve a harder type of problem instead of a judge, the expectation of fairness goes away. History offers some encouragement. There is one other language still surviving from the 1950s, Fortran, and it will take over unless you take specific measures to prevent it. For example, dating sites currently suck far worse than search did before Google. In the last batch of startups we funded were able to give advice about how to set up a still life of a few thousand lines of macros? As a practical matter, I wrote become good at some things than others; we may be good for angels that there are 10 other investors who also want a little more extreme than they were prepared for it.

As a lower bound, you have to be a constant multiple of any curve is exactly the wrong way: they tend to repel you. They'll lie to you on a platter. A language also needs to have good ideas, we implemented them. Even if there aren't many of them there are, and much larger amounts of it. It's the middle one you get wrong when you're inexperienced: ratchet down the coolness of the idea after quitting because otherwise their former employer would own it. White. Larry and Sergey took money from investors, they help them break the sort of distribution you'd expect, the number of Indians in the current Silicon Valley are people you'd overlook on the street. For example, the stated purpose of Powerpoint is to present ideas. What fraction of the rate of evolution in mathematical notation than, say, the Quicksort algorithm, which was getting from place to place. But other considerations can outweigh the intrinsic power of the brand name, capital, and distribution clout, they'll take away your market overnight.

Thanks to Geoff Ralston, Jessica Livingston, Sam Altman, Sam Steingold, Steve Huffman, the friends I promised anonymity to, and Fred Wilson for putting up with me.

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danny-chase · 3 years

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Do you think that Tim saved Dick in a way? Because we see Dick getting better as he gets closer to Tim and healing and getting back into the family, and ig it’s Tim who initiated that.

I literally don't have a yes or no answer for this... like most things in the Batfam - it's complicated. (Following answer is informed by 90s-00s comics, i can't really speak for new52 because it just... has so many issues one of which being erasing the relationship between Dick and Tim for *checks note* no discernable reason other than possibly *checks note* Didio hates legacy characters and wants only bad things for them so he could have excuses to kill them off or cancel their comics... idk just a guess)

Warnings: for Bruce stans - just look away i'm about to bring up bits of canon you most likely don't like, for Dick stans - Devin Grayson's run is mentioned, for the lovely anon - i wrote an essay, hope you are prepared

Tim coming into the family gave Dick a reason to occasionally hang around Bruce and i'm not sure if this is an exaggeration or not but he did sort of save that relationship - but whether that was a good or bad thing at the time, i can't really say. For sure - it starts off good, Bruce is actually trying to be a good dad (he comes down to Blud to check on Dick, adopts him, trusts him with his own city, calls him for backup, etc.). But we also see throughout Bruce Wayne: Fugitive/Murderer how unhealthy the relationship between the two can be. Dick built his core values around Bruce - if Bruce had actually killed here it would have been devastating for Dick (he was pretty much on the verge of a mental breakdown simply because they couldn't find proof Bruce wasn't guilty). The two literally got in a fist fight during the arc because Bruce was being uncommunicative and Dick couldn't take it anymore, snapped, and punched him when Bruce said "Bruce Wayne is dead only Batman now" - this tied into Dick finally having the relief and validation of being adopted and he couldn't handle Bruce stripping himself (and by extension, his fatherhood of Dick) away. In this era of comics Bruce had gotten physical with Dick before (here's me venting like an annoyed loser), and here's a clip from Bruce Wayne Fugitive that i just, *sigh*, canon Bruce, my detested.

Now on the other hand - getting Dick involved in the batfam more doesn't just mean he was hanging out with Bruce. His relationship with Tim is pretty great and I can definitely see where it was healing for a while - but also - to give credit where credit is due, the healing he goes through during this era of comics can also be attributed to Barbara and the Titans (the fab five specifically). Wally literally joins the Titans to give Dick a "social life" (me - it's because he's gay and wants to spend more time with Dick, actually, screw you DC you know i'm right). Donna plays a major part in keeping Dick's emotional well being in check. So like everything was going fine - Dick was healing, spending more time with friends, spending a lot of time with people he loved, like Tim, except he was neglecting his health and not sleeping - but overall he was in fact, managing, and moving past the deaths of Jason and some of the other Titans. With the current Titans - he was a hardass (which like ~trauma~ so I understand), but like things were going relatively okay.

And then Donna and Lilith died. And hooof Donna dying was like really really bad for his mental health.

Teen Titans/Outsiders Secret Files (2003) #1

[Image ID: Dick sits in a room staring at a photo, the phone rings in the background, and he doesn't even acknowledge it, the voice mail plays: "I'm not here. Leave a message after the beep." The photo is shown closer in the next frame, it's of the five original Teen Titans - Roy kisses Donna on the cheek, tipping his hat his other hand making the okay sign, Donna has an arm around Roy, the other hand on Dick's shoulder, Garth proudly stands beaming with his hands on his hips, and Dick has both his arms around Wally's neck. Everyone is smiling in the photo. A voice plays over the answering machine: "Dick, it's Roy - pick up the phone... c'mon... please... I know you're there... just pick up. Dick, we need to talk... you can't just... please..." End ID]

For context - the previous page noted that this is Dick SIX WEEKS after Donna died. Usually Dick's the one who moves on quickly, but Donna dying broke him in a way nothing else had before - and that could be partly because he was still recovering from everyone else's death.

Up to this point, Dick had been healing and Tim was definitely a part of that, but then DC decided to throw the absolute book, bookshelf, and library at him. Reading Outsiders (2003) it's very clear he's very traumatized, and around the same time, Devin is literally whumping him like it's the whump Olympics, breaking him and Babs up, burning down his childhood home, blowing up his apartment complex (killing all but like two of his neighbors), he's literally sleeping on fire escapes using newspapers as covering because he has nothing, and the bad thing i don't like to think about (i'll let you know if you ask but that one needs lots of tw, but if you know where i'm going you know what it is already), Blockbuster is killed and he blames himself - and loses it over breaking Bruce's one rule, Bludhaven is nuked, and he pretty much tries to kill himself.

So basically, he was on the path to healing (with Tim as part of that) before he got absolutely destroyed (and almost killed off by Didio in one of the crisis). Tim in his own right, was also going through a lot in the meantime, his dad died, Steph died, Kon and Bart died, i don't remember what else happened and i haven't read that era of Robin yet. Things were good until they weren't anymore, and sometimes i think Dick would regret ever exposing Tim to the life they live, and questions whether he should have just sent Tim packing x2. They do get to spend a year together on a mental health cruise, but then Damian comes into the picture, Battle for the Cowl happens, and they have their falling out. But whatever happened on that cruise must have been really healing for Dick because he actually kind of rocks it in this era - he keeps things light with Damian, Alfred notes at one point how he makes things easy because he has lightness in him, and he patches things up with Tim - catching him in that panel of Red Robin - from there they kind of go back to normal, there's a lightness to the way they banter with each other (also here) and Tim returns the favor (from the Red Robin incident) by pulling Dick out of the water.

They've saved each other multiple times over (physically), and in both in the Black Mirror and Gates of Gotham, Tim helps out in a period where Dick is starting to fall apart from the pressure of holding things together for so long (something Tim might feel guilty for, because he did run away from Gotham on a wild goose chase for Bruce). In that period, it's really clear that Dick saves Tim (he reminds him in RR, that someone does actually care for him) and then Tim saves Dick from being torn apart by Gotham.

I should point out - Damian, while starting off as kind of a hinderance, does eventually start helping Dick as well. By the end of their relationship (before the New52 destroys everything i love), Dick has helped Damian grow emotionally, and through that process Dick probably finds meaning and value in their time together, probably a lot like he used to feel with Tim. And of course, physically, they've both saved each other multiple times by the end of the run.

So yeah. I think Dick finds meaning in growth in mentoring his younger brothers, and it's likely a healing process, that healing just has some twists and turns along the way, and sometimes, on bad days, he probably feels like maybe he shouldn't have intervened at all, but i think on most days, he's proud of what Tim's become.

...I hope this is coherent lmao

#the old: blame everything i hate about comics on Didio #thank god he got fired #tw suicide #i am so long winded oop #i'm in too deep #does this count as character meta?#maybe #Dick Grayson meta #Dick Grayson #Tim Drake #i'm kinda sad that Dick and Tim's relationship is misunderstood in a lot of fanon - because it's something that can be so personal #it's not as black and white as people seem to think #as in like... they're usually really good for each other and have a healthy dynamic #even in RR (I haven't read all of it) people take things out of context and just... ignore that Dick reached out to Tim afterwards #and like asked him to go to therapy (not arkham why are y'all obsessed with Dick throwing his brothers in arkham get help)#Tim also straight up throws Dick over his shoulder and starts a physical fight in that series #so... it can be a toxic relationship too but idk i like to highlight the good parts #i see a lot of - Dick begs for Tim's forgiveness for taking Robin away fics out there #but like there relationship isn't that simple #if they ever talked it out in canon - they'd have to address Tim lashing out physically at Dick (Dick would probably not be having it)#and the writers might then be like - hmm maybe we should address all the times we had Bruce hit him too #so like yeah i get why we never saw their reconciliation on panel (they just kinda were like okay we're fine now :D)#but still it's something i'd like to see explored from a more balanced perspective - instead of a - i project on Tim so he's always right #i probably also wouldn't be the best person to write it because i project on Dick too much #not that i would make Tim beg for Dick's forgiveness - Dick would forgive him in like .000001 seconds and def doesn't hold it against him #that's just how Dick is (he'd probably prefer if it wasn't brought up and they just pretend it never happened)#but also knowing Dick he probably feels guilty as fuck for the way RR went - which like *sigh* martyr #batfam #batfamily #batfam meta

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