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clannfearrunt · 2 years

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btw, any update on shiver's japanese personal pronouns now that the full game is out? theres a tweet going around saying she uses both uchi and onore and that it's a feminine+masculine combo, i wanted to double check and see if that is actually the case or if onore is a common pronoun for women to use? people are getting really militant abt this for no reason (unsurprisingly)

I think I've seen that tweet, yeah, and it's wrong.

So to start this off so everyone knows what’s up: I’m a native Japanese speaker, and I’m nonbinary myself. I’m approaching this topic as someone who WOULD LOVE to have canon, intended, Cisn’t rep here.

However, the situation in regards to Shiver is just a misunderstanding of the... complexities and nuance (?) that comes with the myriad of ways people can refer to themself in Japanese, and there’s actually nothing being censored by NoA when they confirmed that she is intended to be female. As of me writing this (September 17th 2022), there has been no content in the Japanese dialogue that ever suggests that Shiver might be intended to be nonbinary or otherwise some flavor of Not Female.

Before I even get into pronouns I gotta point out that her Japanese name is Fuuka, which is a regular ass girl's name in real life (albeit it's also being used as a shark pun). I think that if they were going to put a canon nonbinary character in Splatoon they're going to be more obvious about it.

Anyhow, with regards to The Question: the instance that Shiver uses "onore" is actually in the Rock Paper Scissors splatfest dialogue, right here:

おのれの魂をコブシに宿し、天につき出すその姿... 勝者のポーズゆうたらコレや！

I always have a hard time doing my own translations because my brain gets caught up on a million different things, but one way I'd write this to try to get across how she's using "onore" as is this:

"Placing one’s soul into one’s fist, raising it towards the heavens... That's the pose of victory!"

It's true that "Onore" has seen some historical use as a personal pronoun, but it's an archaic kind of usage in standard Japanese. It's not actually necessarily masculine either. Now, it does still see relatively common usage in various dialects in western regions, but mostly in the second person. I don't think I've ever heard "Onore" being used as a personal pronoun in the way you'd use stuff like "Watashi" or "Boku" (which is the kind of usage it's being confused with in that tweet) these days, even when writing fictional character dialogue.

That's irrelevant here, however, because that's not how it's being used here! It's being used to refer to a generalized "self" for theatrical effect, and not even as a personal identifier really. I'd say in this case a similar comparison in English would be "oneself" - kinda formal, depending on how you use it it might also be including the speaker, but not explicitly Just The Speaker. Does that make sense?

The like... connotations and perceptions surrounding how one chooses to refer to themself in Japanese is really complicated and context dependent and I DO understand how it might be easy to get confused! I can also see how people learning Japanese as a second language might have extra trouble with Shiver's dialogue in general since she speaks in the Kyoto dialect instead of standard Japanese. Shit's hard! Anyways unfortunately this has been once again a misunderstanding sorry everyone. We can do other things in headcanons, but we can't be going after people or the translators for this.

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On the subject of personal pronouns though FRYE uses "washi" which has been fun because that is not something typically used by young people! In dialects where it's still common for young people to use "Washi", it tends to be more commonly used by guys, but the more common association is with Old People. Frye in general just speaks like a stereotypical Old Person though I love her she's great. Where's the fucking Frye crowd at

#asks #theyrezi #splatoon 3 #splatoon #Shiver splatoon #Deep Cut #i had an hour long discussion with my mom mulling over how complicated and nuanced this shit is and how we kinda take it for granted #bc we have an intuitive understanding of The Connotations... but how do you explain that to people outside of our culture and language?#shit's hard! i aint a linguist! i don't have all the academic tools to ''properly'' dissect and communicate this shit #i keep trying to backpedal to downplay the nuance of The Pronouns Shit but every time i try 2 actually explain it i Remember #Squid 2 the evolution of the squid #dedcourse 2

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a-polite-melody · 2 years

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“Trans men and mascs don’t get a special word because they aren’t oppressed specifically as men, since as men they reap benefits of patriarchy, because if there are two resumes on the table and one has the name Dave and the other Susan, and both happen to be trans, Dave will be hired over Susan, regardless of how his coworkers see his gender.”

a) You really think every transmasc has equal access to changing their name? You think every transmasc wants to take a name that is normative? If I apply for a job right now, it would still have to be under my legal name, which is the one my parents assigned me along with the gender I shed. It’s pretty cis-normatively female. Even if I changed my name, Enviri is not a name that would get me sorted into a pile with Daves and Joes.

b) You’re acting like there isn’t an interview process, where if you don’t pass, you definitely won’t be sorted into the Dave pile if your name is Dave but you can’t physically transition and so don’t pass as cis.

These sorts of statements rely on assuming that all transmascs are passing and stealth, and so gender-conforming. Or that society is actually good at viewing trans people as our actual gender if we aren’t those things.

Denying transmascs language based on the absolute most privileged of us that you can imagine does absolutely nothing. I’ve not gained an ounce of male privilege as a non-passing, GNC transmasc because it’s society that grants privilege, and society is still extremely hostile to ALL trans people, AND men who don’t conform ESPECIALLY if they’re trans and had been stealth, and society will still at this point remove all that privilege if trans status is known.

It’s petty as fuck to make up reasons to take down a word and conversation when it all comes back around to, “oh well, you don’t get a word because, uhm, we don’t think you should have one because it makes us feel less special about having our own word.” Fuck off.

#my post #transandrophobia #transmisandry #especially shitty seeing this from someone who used to support transmascs having our own language #apparently they ‘talked to other trans women on Twitter and realized where trans men had told them wrong things’#or something like that #that’s. lovely #just. take other peoples words away because people on the outside can’t handle we have words #I don’t care #we deserve language

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rotten7rat · 3 months

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BATFILES: Dick Grayson

FULL NAME: Richard John Grayson

ALIAS: Nightwing, prev. Robin

DATE OF BIRTH: March 21, 1991

HAIR: Black, wavy and thick

EYES: Dark blue

SKINTONE: Deep tan

HEIGHT: 5'10"/177cm

WEIGHT: 175lbs/80kg

ETHNIC BACKGROUND: Romani (tracing back to Spain, Romania, France and India mainly)

DISTINCTIVE SCARS AND MARKINGS: moles on face and body, piercing scar on left earlobe, small scar on chin

LANGUAGES: English, Romani (not fluent anymore), Japanese, Mandarin, Cantonese, Russian, Spanish, French, ASL (not entirely fluent), and some Tamaran

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: suffers from regular pain in left knee due to injury acquired during early Nightwing days

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theodoravery · 2 months

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the thing about amen and vincent that i think a lot of you still do not understand (and i'm using them specifically bc they're the ones being compared) is that 1) amen wants every single dark magician dead, and he takes pleasure in torturing them and killing them, that is a very important part of his character, and that's why the book has made it so fucking clear! amen said it himself! he is not gonna change his ways just because he and eva are in love! eva literally makes the decision to accept that part of himself, so you cannot deny it and you can't complain if you were expecting something else because the book was pretty clear from the beginning about who amen really was (and i'm not saying he doesn't have layers but those do not take away the fact that he enjoys killing and that's that) -- and 2) vincent is not like amen at all. sure, his job, and i think it even has to do with his legacy, is being a demon hunter, but he doesn't go around killing every fucking demon he comes across, he's only after the ones who don't care about his world's ways, the ones who kill humans (like mc was planning to do until he told her what would happen if she did). and sure, you can argue that both amen and vincent want to rid the world of "evil", but again, amen takes pleasure in toturing and killing people (and it's because of a personal vendetta he has, may i add), vincent does not

#this might be a bit repetitive. i'm tired and english is not my first language #but i've been thinking about this a lot lately #i think we should also take into account racism--i can't really talk about that because it's not my place but it's interesting that #many of you defend your white faves to death and demonise characters of colour. and i'm not saying characters of colour aren't flawed #they should be! but they're always subjected to way more scrutinization than white characters #i would also like to add that we have had amen for way longer than vincent #we haven't seen a lot of development because we're still in early days. him and threxia/o are supposed to grow as characters and people #just let wincy cook #oh and btw. not mentioning agnia because anyone barely talks about her so i don't think it's fair to include her in this convo #but if you want to do that. i'd still group her with amen. she obviously enjoys being an assassin #romance club

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reckiddo · 8 months

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okay i don't know if someone already has said this, but i'm making this post bc i can't stop thinking about this tweet and i'm 90% sure we're getting it in the next episode:

this is because:

we know that ray and sand make out in the car the next ep

we see top and mew kinda having problems at the party (or at least it seems so since boston is doing is best to push them apart)

we see mew making a call and being kinda sad

and since we know boston and top will fuck in the car the next episode, my theory is that probably ray ditches sand for mew, top sees them together, takes it the wrong away and ends up with boston in the car.

#then again i'm rambling bc that tweet had been in my head for days and i can't stop thinking about it #like i just need it to happen so i can get over it idk why kdjfnvkfn #only friends #only friends the series #also english is not my first language i hope i expressed myself well enough #also ik the tweet means the record store date #but i'm taking a risk seeing that we can't predict everything ig

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spidernerd625 · 7 months

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I actually love learning history, but we barely learn any of it in school. I want to learn EVERYTHING! ESPECIALLY the crazy stuff! Teach me the things that don't make sense! Teach me the details about how people loved, what they did! What shinanigins did they get up to? Make me reenact something ridiculous and crazy!

Gods, I love history!

Got these pictures from my for you page on Tik Tok

These pictures are NOT mine.

#tik tok #history #love history #this isn't history related but way do we have to take 4 whole years of English???#like wtf #i swear to god we basically do the same thing every year #my mom said when she was in highschool they had to take Latin #i wanna be forced to learn a language #latin sounds kinda cool #my school doesn't even teach that #i want asl to be a language class #i bet SO many people would benefit in the future from learning it.#mention of witches #witches #mention of witches burning/witch trails #history is actually pretty fucking cool ngl #I kinda hated learning history in school #it was just so fucking boring #i learned all of the past presidents in second grade #why do i need to do that again in highschool?#i can't believe we didn't watch Hamilton in any of my history classes #HISTORY #make history more fun to learn #why is it like school was designed to punish us

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obsessivefangirl · 23 days

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"Stan favors Mabel and Ford Dipper" WRONG!!!

#We see them interact less due to their personalities.#Mabel is attracted to Stan much quicker #due to her nature of getting on other's good sides and wanting to be friends #as well as outgoing.#While Dipper was still unsure about his feelings of this for all intents and purposes stranger #Mabel would have squeezed her way into his life already. Dipper is not good with people #and insecure #so he takes Stan's jabs seriously just like he does with Mabel. Mabel and Stan have a love language #that include a few insults that have no real feelings in it.#He wouldn't catch on and participate or (depending on when) tell him straight up he doesn't like it.#Dipper is in it for the mysteries and locks himself up while focusing on it. It's on his mind the entire show.#Ford wasn't meant to talk to the kids. He was even avoiding Dipper until an accident happened and he got caught up in the game of ddmd.#Not to mention that the episodes almost always contribute to the story #even filler ones. They may not progress the plot but they will reveal sides of characters or show them growing or changing.#Ford was in it so little that they needed to squeeze the most out of the time which led to little Mabel and him filler.#He didn't have any problems with Mabel unlike how Dipper had some problems with Stan so that wasn't an issue to address #they love each other ur honor #gravity falls #my ramblings

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yellow-dejavu · 3 months

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#dark netflix #eva's world #erit lux #apocalypse family #1888 gang #dark netflix meme #even though eva's world is the one that received more attention there's still a bunch of things that they didn't show #i will never get over of Egon as a traveler #they show it one time and pretended that i didn't wanted to know everything about it #also all the characters that we never saw in their eva's world version #i'm gonna suposse that they all have bangs #shitpost #i posted this #s3 barely showed any interaction between the four and somehow I can't stop thinking about them #claudia was the leader and the only adult they have in their lives #jonas was everyone's favorite sad boy #the two of them learned sign language #elisabeth was the little one and she was adored by all of them #noah and his 1920s boy attitude was somehow the comedic relief of the group #they were like a sad sitcom and i'm sure they felt less sad because of elisabeth #claudia and elisabeth were the smart ones of the group #noah and jonas were smart too but they also were noah and jonas #they were like a family #i have no proof but no doubt either #poor agnes was born in the 1888 timeline and also had so little screen time #maybe baran and jantje realized that 1888 was the time period when magnus x franziska did something apart from loving each other #and inmediatley discarded the possibility of showing it because they went like “nope doing something onscreen defies their whole purpose”#i will always sound crazy talking about how beautiful Bartosz and Silja's love story is when they only have four scenes #this show had a weird 50something having to take care of a group of teenagers in the 19th & 20th century and decided not to elaborate on it #this show is so iconic

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todayisafridaynight · 1 month

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At which point did you realise that the plot of IW is ass? I've seen people complain only about the ending or the halfway point where the teams separate, while I was already actively rolling my eyes like four-five chapters in

i think the moment i fully accepted that IW's story was. Definitely A Story was the moment ebina announced 'bleach japan'. like i think leading up to that point i was thinking to myself 'oh i hope i see X happen' or being like 'i wonder where this is going' and that sort but the proverbial bucket of ice was definitely that moment

#infinite wealth spoilers #snap chats #what reaaaaally hammered it in too if it wasnt obvious already was the execution of the jimas/daigo like that still irks me LMAO #i cant even remember what chapter that happened in i just know when it did i was utterly pissed #i think i started to take things less seriously once bryce entered the picture but thats only because of how distracting his VA was #like much love the JP voice actors who try to speak english and japanese but i just cant act like it's not incredibly distracting #esp when the character is supposed to be white yk what i mean- or at the very least their first language is supposed to be english #typically i can look over that thing if its a one or two time kind of deal but he had to speak in english much longer than others #im just rambling about bryce tho this aint bout him. i mean he could be a part of it the cult was executed really sloppily #it might have been the introduction of bryce actually ... i remember thinking to myself 'oh brother' with the whole messiah thing LMAO #maybe it was when kiryu told us his cancer cam from radiation instead of. smoking 💀 ESPECIALLY not even five chapters in #like straight out the gate you just wanna drop that on us mr I Can Do Everything Myself I Cant Worry Others ok #thats a post for another day tho im EVERYWHERE #POINT IS this is not about Retrospect this is about First Impressions and memory warps over time #but i know for a fact i found the bleach japan thing utterly ridiculous and was squinting at the plot the entire time thereafter #like ive said this a million times at this point but although i love IW for it's gameplay (pardon some nitpicks like lack of shortcuts)#its story really feels so messy and had much to be desired. which is so sad after the wonderful stories rgg has been making since 0..#BUT OH WELL im still excited to replay it in english. god willing i ever get the time #i still wanna finish lost judgment <- isnt even halfway through the game #and i wanna do a fun stream Maybe with YK2 but ill get into that when i get into that #if youve read this far. thanks LOL id say sorry for the novel but thats what we expect of me at this point

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drinkingbitterboy · 2 months

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note to self: post more alex closet cosplays when i need a pick me up/ego boost.

thank you to everyone for being so nice to me 🥹

#this wasn't even the planned photoshoot for later!#anyway some things i wanted to say #1) i'm not single sorry folks #also fun fact like right when i got back on tumblr after a break for my wedding was when we had the surprise miles 505 in london #2) i cannot take credit for anything about matching al's body language bc i really do just stand like that ksdjflsk #3) for real my posture is Not Good and there are frankly some hilarious candids of me that are just the exact same mannerisms #4) i personally think it helps with the resemblence with that i'm short and have a very uh androgynous body shape? similar proportions #which was not on purpose i assure you #there's a really funny couple pics i sent to blacktrickle the other day just like IS THAT WHAT I LOOK LIKE FROM THE BACK? bc it was Him #5) gonna do like a bunch of eycte outfits in one post one day

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lilmccoy · 4 months

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So, I finished reading the Silmarillion yesterday. And also realized, as I was placing it back on my shelf, that I never finished reading the appendices in Return of the King. So I guess my weekend is spoken for.

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britneyshakespeare · 6 months

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So yesterday I read "Slimed with Gravy, Ringed by Drink" by Camille Ralphs, an article from the Poetry Foundation on the publication of the First Folio in 1623, a major work without which most of Shakespeare's plays might very well have been lost today, possibly the most influential secular work of literature in the world, you know.

It's a good article overall on the history and mysteries of the Folio. Lots of interesting stuff in there including how Shakespeare has been adapted, the state of many surviving Folios, theories of its accuracy to the text, a really interesting identification of John Milton's own copy currently in the Free Library of Philadelphia, and the fascinating annotations that may have influenced Milton's own poetry!!! Do read it. It's not an atrociously long article but there's a lot of thought-provoking information in there.

There's one paragraph in particular I keep coming back to though, so I'm just gonna quote it down here:

...[T]he Play on Shakespeare series, published by ACMRS Press, the publications division of the Arizona Center for Medieval and Renaissance Studies at Arizona State University... grew out of the Oregon Shakespeare Festival’s plan to “translate” Shakespeare for the current century, bills itself “a new First Folio for a new era.” The 39 newly-commissioned versions of Shakespeare’s plays were written primarily by contemporary dramatists, who were asked to follow the reasonable principle laid out by series editor Lue Douthit: tamper in the name of clarification but submit to “do no harm.” The project was inspired by something the linguist John McWhorter wrote in 1998: “[the] irony today is that the Russians, the French, and other people in foreign countries possess Shakespeare to a much greater extent than we do … [because] they get to enjoy Shakespeare in the language they speak.”

Mainly it's the John McWhorter thing I keep coming back to. Side note: any of my non-native-English-speaking mutuals who have read Shakespeare, I would love to know your experiences. If you have read him in translation, or in the original English, or a mix of both. It's something I do wonder about! Even as an Anglophone reader, I find my experience varies so much just based on which edition of the text I'm reading and how it's presented. There's just so much variety in how to read literature and I would love to know what forces have shaped your own relationships to the stories. But anyway...

The article then goes on to talk about how the anachronistic language in Shakespeare will only fall more and more out of intelligibility for everyone because of how language evolves and yadda yadda yadda. I'm not going to say that that's wrong but I think it massively overlooks the history of the English language and how modern standard English became modern standard English.

First of all, is Shakespeare's language completely unintelligible to native English speakers today? No. Certain words and grammatical tenses have fallen out of use. Many words have shifted in meaning. But with context aiding a contemporary reader, there are very few lines in Shakespeare where the meaning can be said to be "unknown," and abundant lines that are perfectly comprehensible today. On the other hand, it's worth mentioning how many double entendres are well preserved in modern understanding. And additionally, things like archaic grammar and vocabulary are simply hurdles to get over. Once you get familiarized with your thees and thous, they're no longer likely to trip you up so much.

But it's also doubtful that 400 years from now, as the article suggests, our everyday language will be as hard to understand for twenty-fifth century English speakers to comprehend. The English language has significantly stabilized due to colonialism and the international adoption of English as a lingua franca. There are countless dialects within English, but what we consider to be standard international "correct" English will probably not change so radically, since it is so well and far established. The development and proliferation of modern English took a lot of blood and money from the rest of the world, the legacy of which can never be fully restored.

And this was just barely in sight by the time that Shakespeare died. This is why the language of the Elizabethans and Jacobeans is early-modern English. It forms the foundations of modern English, hence why it's mostly intelligible to speakers today, but there are still many antiquated figures within it. Early-modern English was more fluid and liberal. Spelling had not been standardized. Many regions of England still had slight variations in preferences for things like pronouns and verb conjugation. We see this even in works Shakespeare cowrote with the likes of Fletcher and Middleton, as the article points out. Shakespeare's vocabulary may not just reflect style and sentiment, but his Stratford background. His preferences could be deemed more "rustic" than many of his peers reared in London.

Features that make English more consistent now were not formalized yet. That's why Shakespeare sounds so "old." It's not just him being fancy. And there's also the fact that blank verse plays are an entirely neglected art nowadays. Regardless of the comprehensibility of the English, it's still strange for modern audiences uninitiated to Elizabethan literature to sit there and watch a King drop mad poetry about his feelings on stage by himself. The form and style of the entire genre is off.

But that, to me, is why we should read Shakespeare. We SHOULD be challenged. It very much IS within the grasp of a literate adult fluent in English to read one of his plays, in a modern edition with proper assistance and context. It is GOOD to be acquainted with something unfamiliar to us, but within our reach. I'm serious. I do not think I'm so much smarter than everyone else because I read Shakespeare. I don't just read the plain text as it was printed in the First Folio! The scholarship exists which has made Shakespeare accessible to me, and I take advantage of that access for my own pleasure.

This is to say that I disagree with the notion that Shakespeare is better suited to be enjoyed in foreign tongues. I think that's quite a complacent, modern American take. Not to say that the sentiment of McWhorter is wrong; I get what he's saying. And it's quite a beautiful thing that Shakespeare's plays are still so commonly staged, although arguably that comes from a false notion in our culture that Shakespeare is high literature worth preserving, at the expense of the rest of time and history. It is true that his body of work has such a high level of privilege in the so-called Western literary canon that either numerous other writers equally deserve, or no writer ever could possibly deserve.

The effort that goes into making Shakespeare's twenty-first century legacy, though, is a half-assed one. So much illustrious praise and deification of the individual and his works, and yet not as much to understanding the context of his time and place, of his influences, forms, and impacts on the eras which proceeded him. Shakespeare seems to exist in a vacuum with his archaic language, and we read it once or twice in high school when we're forced to, with prosaic translations on the adjoining page. This does not inspire a true appreciation in a culture for Shakespeare but it does reinforce a stereotype that he must be somehow important. It's this shallow stereotype that makes it seem in many minds today that it would be worth it to rip the precise language out of the text of a poet, and spit back out an equivalent "modern translation."

#this is just a stream-of-consciousness rambling. ignore me if im not making sense which im probably not #long post #text post #rant #shakespeare #also to clarify on that last point i am not shitting on the art of translation. AT all.#into other languages that is. nor am i knocking all modern adaptations of shakespeare's works #made with good intent. and also if you enjoy modern translated english shakespeare a la no fear shakespeare #genuinely good for you! that series has helped a lot of people and im glad for them to have that resource #HOWEVER. i WOULD like to challenge the idea that that is the best way to READ shakespeare #i think it's simply a shortcut.#and by all means take a shortcut if what you're reading shakespeare for is the plot. especially if youre new to him!#i DO on the other hand think it is entirely possible for any general reader to eventually be able to read shakespeare #in other types of editions. with the plain text and academic footnotes or annotations.#i do think enjoying the poetry of the works is as enriching as the characters or plot #in fact in the case of characters. the intricacies of the poetry of course enhance them!#you know. like i think the challenge is more doable than we ever really talk about in the mainstream #when you read him in high school you most likely had your english teacher holding your hand through every line #that's basically what the literal prose translations do too. in my opinion.#at least a la no fear shakespeare because those aren't meant to be performed like an equivalent art.#the translations are clarification.#again i think it's entirely possible to adapt the language of shakespeare and even a worthwhile project #but that's not. you know. the thing on the shelves to be read.#we can all still read shakespeare and we are all smart enough to do so.#if we think of early-modern english as another dialect rather than a whole different language #and there are so many mutually intelligible yet very distinct dialects of english around the world today #(the literature of which is also well worth reading) and if one seems approachable. well they all can be.

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