#anti hyuuga hinata

[adelalovesmadara]

It Comes Back Biting Him or Naruto Is Crudely Reminded That The Hyuuga Practised Slavery

"It's been decided that Uzumaki Himawari, courtesy of her possessing the Byakugan and her being the cousin of the heir of the Hyuuga main family, is to be sealed."

Naruto is sure that he has misheard. "Sorry?" He coughs and catches himself. He politely rectifies, "I must have misheard that. Could you, uh, repeat that for me, please?"

Being the son-in-law of the Hyuuga's clan head, Naruto had been strongly advised to be as cordial and polite as possible, even before his marriage to Hinata.

"Higasa-sama, Hanabi-sama's son will be three in a few days from now. So we, the Hyuuga, have decided that Uzumaki Himawari is to be sealed."

"Excuse me," says Naruto eloquently. "Sealed?"

"Uzumaki Himawari will be receiving the Caged Bird Cursed Seal on Higasa-sama's third birthday."

It takes all that Naruto has to not let out a scream. "Third birthday," he weakly says. "But ― isn't Hinata still a part of the Hyuuga main family?"

"Hinata-sama is. But both of her children are not."

It feels like reality is punching Naruto in the face as the muscles of his face go slack. "Why? Why do this at all?" he demands.

"For the good of the village. For the stability the Hyuuga have maintained for centuries," an elder proposes. She adds, "This will also benefit your heir, Hokage-sama. Uzumaki Boruto might not possess the Byakugan, but he will have his sealed sister as his loyal aide."

Naruto stands there gawking in the middle of the Hyuuga's training room.

"Uzumaki Himawari will have to be a gift to Higasa-sama first and foremost," one of the Hyuuga elders says imperiously.

An elder interjects with a sneer, "Her first priority can be both Higasa-sama and Boruto-sama."

"Of course," a few elders voice their agreement.

"Of course," Naruto echoes dumbly. It sure feels different when this... thing personally involves him.

#naruto fanfiction #fanfic #naruto #anti hyuga clan #anti hyuga main family #anti caged bird cursed seal #fanfic ideas #plot #naruto married hinata and he forgot about the slavery the hyuuga practised lol #anti naruto ending #anti naruto fandom #ugh dunno what else to tag #anti hinata #anti hyuuga clan #hmm strange that I pictured Hinata crying crocodile tears I imagined her not doing anything as her daughter is made a slave #anti hyuuga hinata #personal

[leportraitducadavre]

You know there’s a weird connection between the fandom’s perceived idea of “good writing” and their personal feelings about specific characters. “I like this character, therefore, they’re well written” and viceversa, “I dislike this character, therefore, they’re badly written” –I’ve seen this in many fandoms and with different characters, but there’s no fandom where this is more noticeable than in the “anti Sakura” portion of the audience.

Before we start, let me be clear on something: I don’t personally like Sakura, I don’t consider myself a fan of hers (or her stans, which are just as annoying as Hinata’s), nor I believe she’s the “heroine” of a story that has no room for a character with such status (I’ve said this before, Naruto is the hero and Sasuke is the antagonist -there’s no necessity nor space for anyone else as Sakura is merely the female character with most panel time, yet she doesn’t move the plot forward and she isn’t relevant to the development of other key characters, as most of them completely ignore her existence).

“Likeability” isn’t a determining factor when it comes to labelling a character “well” or “badly” written, such notion relies on subjective factors which makes it impossible to objectively determine the overall value of a character inside a story.

The most important factor to label a character “goodly written” has more to do with how well they represent their theological narrative. For instance, Danzo -who I genuinely despise, is amazingly written, as he spot on tackles the subject of extreme-nationalistic world view, while Itachi -on the other hand, is sort-of all over the place as he subscribes to Danzo’s ideology and defends it with the same actions, yet Kishimoto desperately wanted to keep him inside the “good guys” group, which ultimately failed and took down anything Itachi might have had going for him (besides other inconsistencies as he’s presented as a genius who made nothing but mistake after mistake). There’s a reason why the antagonists are often the ones with the best characterizations, as they aren’t tied to been “morally correct” or “likeable” in order to reflect their thematic plot, which is why the better characters in Naruto happen to be Uchiha (Sasuke, Obito, Madara).

Sakura has no weight inside the plot, as she is mostly used for support of either Naruto and (to a lesser extent) Sasuke, she stands narratively in the same spectrum as most “good” characters of the show, so she’s thematically not much more relevant than the rest of K-11; yet she’s given more depth than many other characters, as she’s a layered character of whom we see both her strengths and flaws, something we can’t say for other characters, such as Hinata.

In the Hyüga princess™’s case, her personality is mostly one dimensional as she is a thematic piece used to deepen Neji’s character. In case you haven’t noticed, she was constructed in opposition to him: She needs to be shy in order for Naruto to take pity on her when Neji insults her (as Neji is mostly arrogant and outspoken), she’s comically bad because Neji is a prodigy, she’s “a freak” (said by Naruto himself) because Neji isn't, she’s a slave owner because Neji is her slave, and so on –the only thing she has that wasn’t built in order to oppose her cousin was her infatuation with Naruto, something she makes a priority.

Everything we “know” about Hinata was mostly fandom-made, Hinata is shy and soft spoken, why is she considered “nice”? We never saw her worrying about anyone but Naruto: She was glad Kiba lost his match and offered Naruto the ointment to treat his wounds, she diminished her cousin’s trauma and endorsed the oppressive system of her clan, we never see her visiting Kiba after he returned from his mission to bring Sasuke back to Konoha (something we see Ino and Sakura do with their respective teammates, and while Hinata was recovering from Neji’s attack, she had enough strength to train and go see the Chünin Exams final stage, at no point is mentioned she was bed-ridden, as Sasuke had enough time to recover from Gaara’s attack before escaping the village), she thought about Naruto’s warm hand seconds after her cousin died and she was the only character not shown to be glad about Shikamaru being alive as we saw her pouting and thinking about how much she wanted to be beside Naruto. Furthermore, is there any scene in which she appears where she’s not thinking or talking about Naruto or where he is not the main focus?

How come a character designed to be nothing more than support (for Neji and Naruto, as her infatuation with him was built in order to have some oppositional force to the idea of “nobody likes him”, as Naruto has an unrequited love for Sakura during the whole duration of the manga) is “better written” than Sakura, who despite herself being also support she has far more thematically ground to move around (Kishimoto explores through her different themes, even if they aren’t relevant to the plot itself, such as romantical obsession, low self-esteem and the decisions/characteristics that are driven by it, female friendship, and few others).

Honest question: It’s her sad background reason enough to like Hinata? Do you truly need a “compelling” backstory in order to claim a character is “better written” than others? Sakura was bullied because she was shy, Hinata -being the Hyüga heir, wasn’t shown to suffer the same fate at the hands of her classmates. Think about it this way, while Sakura was being bullied and had to be helped by Ino, Hinata was being trained by her father and witnessing Hiashi torture her uncle while Neji cried, helpless! –and just a few years later, she used that exact knowledge to insult him! So she’s not really that nice after all!

What is it with the obsession of both fandoms with the idea of “potential” and how, apparently, they were “robbed of it” (what “potential”? When did Hinata even hint at improving her fighting techniques? She was defeated every single time! When did Sakura, who canonically has a smaller chakra pool than both Sasuke and Naruto, have the possibility of surpass literally Ashura and Indra’s reincarnations? Them having more panel time will mean absolutely nothing as we’ll see them doing the exact same thing we already see them do only twice as much. “Potential” is about exploring a latent ability of them, Hinata has none and Sakura’s chakra flux control was properly exploited!).

There’s more to say about this, but I’m honestly tired at this point…

#anti hinata #anti hinata hyuga #anti hinata hyuuga #anti hinata fandom #anti hinata stans #anti nh #anti naruhina #anti naruhina fandom #anti sakura #anti sakura haruno #anti sakura fandom #anti sakura stans

[sakuraharuno156]

Let's look at Infinite Tsukuyomi dreams once again:

and see how it's clearly shows Hinata is a really sh*tty person

Worth to mention - this is their perfect world, this is how they wished it to be. No limits, no restrictions, everything is possible.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Let's see how they want the world to be:

Gaaras dream:

His parents are ALIVE AND HAPPY. His siblings are with their parents and they are all a close, cute family.

Lee and TenTen:

Lee wants to fight with Neji/Naruto and win, but Neji wanted to fight with Lee and we know they were sparring frequently.

So in Lee's perfect life, he and Neji are still happy with the only difference being - Lee finally won. Sakura is in love with Lee, but she is still herself. She is doing what she is always doing - being loud and happy, SHE IS HERSELF.

TenTen is standing with Neji and doing what they are always doing - judging Lee and Guy

So in TenTen's perfect world - Neji is alive and they are all (weird) happy family like they were before.

Choji, Shikamaru and Ino:

Chiji found love and his father is proud of him. Nice, self-explanatory.

Shikamaru is watching 2 couples (Kurenai x Asuma and Shikamarus father and mother) while doing what he loves - complaining. Asuma is ALIVE and meeting his child, Shikaku is ALIVE and with the woman he loves - Shikamaru's mother.

So in Shikamaru's perfect world, they are all the same people with their loved ones. Shikamaru is complaining and happy to see them together.

Ino is with Sai and Sasuke who are fighting for her and her father is happy and proud of her AND ALIVE. Sasuke and Sai are fighting for Ino but look! They are not blushing, not doing anything OOC, they are themselves but in love with Ino.

So in Ino's perfect world, she is popular (with two guys she is attracted to), her father is happy and proud of her.

NOW TO THE SELFISH TEAM:

Kiba and Shino:

They are both successful, Kiba is the Hokage and Shino found a new species. Not much to add there.

But then, Crème de la crème, this b*tch Hinata:

In Hinata's dream, she is with Naruto (no surprises) and Neji is alive, but is it? Let's break this down:

Naruto is not Naruto. He is quiet, just sitting there. Naruto, the child with SO MUCH ENERGY he cannot stand in one place, just sitting. Naruto the child WHO SPEAKS SO MUCH is just quiet.

In Lee dream - Sakura is in love with him BUT SHE IS ACTING LIKE SAKURA, SHE IS SAKURA.

In Ino's dream - Sasuke and Sai are fighting over Ino, BUT THEY ARE THEMSELVES. They act like themselves. THEY ARE THEMSELVES.

Everyone who dreams of someone imagine them as they are. Sakura is Sakura, Sasuke and Sai are themselves. Even Temari speaking her one word in Shikamarus dream IS TEMARI. She speaks like she usually do when they are together.

But Naruto in Hinatas mind? Quiet. Stagnant. She could have imagined him as himself as a talkative, over-energized, NARUTO, but no. Quiet.

But that's less infuriating - more just annoying.

Now to the infuriating part.

WTF NEJI.

Why is he annoyed? Why in Hinata's perfect dream - Neji is mad and stalking her? Why in a world when they can be friends, when Neji can be proud of her (like fathers in Ino's or Choji's) she imagined him as unhappy?

And why is he spying on her? Why is he not happily with her, or with his friends OR HIS FATHER, but he is just sitting in the bushes and stalking Hinata?

That's again, not Neji, people who imagined the opposite of Neji saw him like Hinata wanted him in her dream.

Look at Road to ninja, a movie when they are THEIR OPPOSITES. What is Neji doing? Stalking Hinata and getting angry. Wow, would you look at this.

(And yes, that's a filler movie, and no I don't like studio pierrot, but COME ON, WHAT THEY IMAGIN AS THE OPPOSITE OF NEJI IS WHAT HINATA WANTED NEJI TO BE)

SHE COULD HAVE IMAGINED HYUGA CLAN BEING FIXED, MAIN AND SIDE BRANCH HAPPY TOGETHER.

But no, let's imagine that everything is like it is, Neji is still her slave (even after his death - she still imagine him as a slave, propably with his curse mark), he is spying on her and unhappy with it :)

Why dream of change, when you can be with your crush (who acts like a completely different person) and still having your slave, but in this world - he is stalking you! Yeey....

I can't, I can't with that character, every chance she gets to do the right thing - she keeps on proving how s*it of a person she is...

#anti hinata #anti naruhina #anti studio pierrot #naruto #anti hinata hyuga #anti hinata fandom #anti filler #naruto shipuden #Team 8 #team 10 #pro neji #neji hyuga #hyuga clan #anti hinata hyuuga #tsukuyomi

[sasukesun]

do not have gay sex with my husband

#narusasu #sns #sasunaru #sasuke #uchiha sasuke #naruto #naruto textpost #tw: boruto #anti nh #anti naruhina #bella.txt #hinata #hyuuga hinata

[teawinx]

Hello there! I just recently came across your blog, and really love your Naruto art! Especially your Sakura content. You give her the justice that she should have gotten in the canon material. Short haired Saku for the win!

However, I’m curious. What are your feelings on Hinata? I like her, but also find that I unfortunately have some bitterness towards her. Not because of the character herself (though she has her issues, and I fully believe she deserved better too), but because of her fandom and how the fanbase holds her to such high regard. She suffers from the same problems as Sakura, dare I say even worse, but people will find any excuse in the point to justify her actions and lift her up. Though I will say that most of the blame lies with SP and their very creepy fetishization of her- who mind you, was a minor for most of the series. It’s like if you even have the slightest criticism of her, your attack for it. But I don’t know. I hope you have a good day!

Hi there!

Thank you so much! I love my girliepop Sakura, she deserves feral rat rights

Hinata? Yeah I have quite a few feelings about her. Namely the feeling of "I like you and I wish you got more"

Hinata is depressingly the only girl from the Konoha 11 to have been given a story and setting that wasn't about boys. Heiress to one of Konoha's major clans but was kicked out in favour of her younger sister? A clan that's fundamentally shitty and they went into depth showing how shitty it is to its own members? There's a LOT that could have been done here.

But unfortunately this was all forgotten about and replaced with her whole existence revolving around Naruto and it's a darn shame.

I don't feel bitterness towards her or anything, just sadness. Grieving what could have been.

I couldn't tell you for certain why Hinata was favoured over Sakura, despite the two being so similar. Hinata's design is very appealing to some, and people seem to be drawn to shy cute girls (I see you, Fluttershy stans). Why I don't know. But it is frustrating as a Sakura stan to see your fav being criticized while Hinata gets praised for the same thing.

Naruto, the series, was just uninterested in them as characters. Naruto is a fantasy, a character for young teenage boys to project themselves on to. Hinata was made to be appealing to the teenage boy demographic. A pretty shy girl who's completely and utterly devoted to you is pure ambrosia. Sakura wasn't made to fit into that fantasy. She's much more like a real woman in that regard, at least to those who project themselves on to Naruto. And a real woman can't be the perfect little wife in your perfect little fantasy world. That's my personal theory anyway.

All that being said, I do genuinely like Hinata. I think she's wasted and done dirty, but even I have fallen for her core appeal. How much I like her makes me sad that she'll never be treated as a character, she will only ever be a reward.

#naruto #naruto rant #hinata hyuuga #hinata hyuga deserved better #hinata hyuga rant #this isn't anti hinata btw #i love her #but she was written so badly and deserved so much better

[obsidianstrawberrymilk]

So if I wrote Naruto list of deaths I would make happen (that did not happen in current canon)

Chouji (after his battle during the Sasuke Retrieval Arc)

Hinata (she dies protecting Neji instead of the other way around)

Gai (after he fought Madara)

Shikamaru (after his plan to defeat Hidan)(yes I'm aware I'm killing both of Ino's teammates)

Kakashi (Pein doesn't resurrect everyone)

Tsunade (dies in her coma, Danzou becomes Hokage after her, also a way to basically force Naruto nad Sakura against the state so they don't be dicks to their genocide survivor teammate)

Orochimaru (no resurrection)

Kabuto (idk I just want him dead, probably during the war)

All I can think of off the top of my head

#naruto #anti naruto ending #anti konoha #team 7 #naruto uzumaki #sasuke uchiha #sakura haruno #tsunade senju #kakashi hatake #pein arc #orochimaru #kabuto #shikamaru nara #chouji akimichi #might gai #ino yamanaka #hinata hyuga #hinata hyuuga #neji hyuga #neji hyuuga

[wisebeth]

“Sakura is a horrible person for making fun of Naruto for being an orphan”

Let's see what other characters did when they were the same age as Sakura

Naruto :

Disguised himself into Sasuke to kiss Sakura without her consent

Mocked Sasuke's dead clan

Ino :

Fat-shamed Choji even though he's made it clear multiple times he hates being called fat

Neji :

Humiliated Hinata, who already had low self esteem, in front of everyone

Attempted to kill her to punish her for something which wasn't her fault

Shikamaru :

Unapologetically misogynist and generalised all women

Sasuke :

Tried to kill his best friend in the name of power

Funny how all these characters were of Sakura's age did something as equally bad as her or worse yet only Sakura gets shit for it. Hypocrisy?

They were kids, who were naive and didn't have the maturity to act the wisest (in Sakura, Naruto, Ino and Shikamaru's case) or traumatised with no one to properly help them (in Sasuke's and Neji's case) and all of them eventually grew up and became better.

It's ridiculous to still hold Sakura for saying something insensitive in her childhood.

Bonus :

She immediately regrets after Sasuke calls her out but y'all probably don't remember it.

#naruto #naruto shippuden #naruto manga #naruto uzumaki #ino yamanaka #choji akimichi #shikamaru #shikamaru nara #neji hyuuga #hinata #hinata Hyuuga #sasuke #sasuke uchiha #Sakura #sakura haruno #pro sakura #pro Sakura haruno #antis dni

[happypanda101]

The Sakura/Hinata Hypocrisy

So, this post was inspired by a brief conversation on discord. And before anyone tries to pull the anti card, no. Just because I love Sakura does not mean I hate Hinata. I like Hinata. I think she’s a sweet character who had a lot of potential. And I really with the SakuHina friendship was explored more, their very cute.

But anyway, onto the post!

So, I have honestly thought about making a post about this for a long time, but was nervous to. Cause well… look at the Sakura/Hinata stans. Those guys will go for the throat for their girls.

But can you all just acknowledge the hypocrisy in this fandom?

Sakura tries, she fails: “what a useless bitch!”

Hinata tries, she fails: “She did her best! What a queen!”

Are you guys hearing yourselves? Do you not hear the utter hypocrisy of what you just said?

And it can be the other way around, don’t get me wrong. It’s just that I’ve mostly seen it go down this way.

SP’s favouritism for Hinata really didn’t help either. I know a lot of Hinata fans call her fight with Pain her best moment, but canonly, this happened.

Her fight was all but one page.

Just about one page less then when Sakura jumped in front of Sasuke to protect him from Gaara.

(Can’t find the other part sorry)

But despite the fact that these two situations were basically similar, Sakura is hated on while Hinata is endlessly praised.

Can we all just accept the fact that these girls were done dirty by the story?

Sakura’s development wasn’t as drastic as Naruto and Sasuke’s, but it was there. But that all gets thrown away for her love interest.

Hinata’s development and arc in part 1 was very interesting and I was excited to see her grow. But again. That all got thrown away for her love interest.

Because apparently women can’t have any goals outside of men, and if they dare move on from a gut they liked, that makes them a “bad person.”

And whenever they do get big moments, it’s quickly thrown away, for what? The men. And you know what part gets me the most? If Sakura and Hinata were written as men, they’d be better developed, better written, and everyone would love them.

I love Naruto, but I unfortunately can’t read the story with rose tinted glasses like I did when I was younger. The women in this series deserved way better than what they got.

Anyone, Sakura and Hinata’s friendship is adorable. I wish people would stop putting them against each other. Look how cute they are!

Anyway, thats it. Thanks for putting up with another Ted talk of mine.

#naruto fandom #naruto shippuden #naruto manga #sakura haruno #haruno sakura #hinata hyuuga #hyuuga hinata #sakura haruno deserved better #hinata hyuuga deserved better #pro sakura haruno #pro hinata hyuga #anti studio pierrot

[lunaneko14]

Never forget that if Hinata, the alleged "side character" (in the eyes of certain stans), wasn't there to cheer up Naruto before his fight against Neji, he would've continued to have low self-confidence and be in an uncharacteristically low mood, and he would've lost the match. Naruto would never have been publicly acknowledged by Konoha for the very first time in his life. [Chapters 98-105]

Never forget that if Hinata, the alleged "side character", wasn't there to try and fight against Pain, Naruto would never have met Minato and learned more about his backstory, Pain would've killed everyone in Konoha, and then Pain would've extracted Kurama and killed Naruto. Naruto would never have been publicly acknowledged by everyone in the world for the very first time in his life. [Chapters 437-450]

Never forget that if Hinata, the alleged "side character", wasn't there to slap some sense into Naruto after her own cousin just died trying to save them, or if Hinata herself was the one who died instead of Neji, Naruto would've lost the will to live, and he would've given up and joined Obito and Madara. Naruto would never have reconciled with Sasuke for good, won the war and saved the world, and be publicly acknowledged by everyone in the world as a hero for the rest of his life. [Chapters 614-616, 699]

Naruto would be either dead or he would've turned evil if Hinata, the alleged "side character", wasn't there for him. If Hinata was either never a part of Naruto's life, or if she died during any of those aforementioned pivotal moments, Naruto would never have become the person he is today. If Hinata was never there to save him with either her words or her actions, Naruto would never have achieved his lifelong dream of being publicly acknowledged by everyone.

Hell, we even saw what happened the one time Hinata did stop being in Naruto's life (temporarily): he lost the will to live, he gave up on his high-rank mission, and he wanted to let the world crash and burn and die along with it.

Interesting how Naruto realized that he could not live without Hinata, the alleged "side character." Interesting how Hinata, the alleged "side character", was irreplaceable and essential to Naruto. Interesting how Hinata, the alleged "side character", ended up being the most important and most precious person to Naruto. 🧐

I swear, Luna, it's almost like Hinata, the alleged "side character", is actually the real heroine, the true heroine, of the story. 🤔

Oh wait, that's right, Kishimoto himself said in 2010 that Hinata is more of a heroine instead of a certain someone else. And then in 2017, Kishimoto himself said that a certain someone else was used solely as a shipping tool thrown in the middle of Naruto/Hinata and was always planned to lose in that love triangle, a certain someone else was actually a side character like Kiba and Shikamaru, and a certain someone else was actually not a special female character after all.

What are the odds? 🙃

Excuse me while I sip this tea full of salty tears. 💁🏻‍♀️

#submission #pro hinata #pro hinata hyuga #pro hinata hyuuga #pro hinata uzumaki #naruhina #pro naruhina #anti sakura #anti sakura haruno #anti sakura uchiha #anti narusaku #anti naruto x sakura #anti naruto and sakura

[sneezemonster15]

If sakura and hinata were redeemed in naruto, would anyone even care? I feel as if I wouldn't care much, especially for sakura, cuz they've done too much. I think I would still hate them and some others wouldnt buy it.

I mean, say like Sakura was redeemed all of a sudden in boruto, would that be enough to overcome how she she treated other's throughout all the story? Especially Sasuke. Would redeeming her be enough to overcome how she harasses him all the time? Would it be enough to overcome how she chased sasuke and gave him a child he never wanted? Like she gets redeemed and goes "oops, I know you never wanted this but I'm sorry now and I'm a changed person, won't happen again." Like the damage is done, she's harassed him and chased him till he gave in, how can you better yourself after you've gotten what you wanted? redeeming can't reverse that damage. Or how she treated Naruto "sorry for being a bully and hitting you for no reason but I'm changed now, won't do it again." Apart from narusaku audience, which audience is gonna buy that? Like it's unconvincing she would get redeemed and then would apologize to naruto as it just so happens to be when he's hokage and she's got her prize Sasuke. Or for ino she gets redeemed and apologises for how she treated her, but it unconvincing because sakura has won Sasuke, so she and ino aren't fighting over him anymore.

Or for Hinata,"S..so...sorry n.nn....naruto-kun for guilt tripping you to marry me, I.. I.. I won't do it again, I'm better and changed." Like, he's already married to her and started a family. It's not going to mean much?

Based of the ask someone sent abt if it's possible Sakura and hinata could get redeemed. Like you've said in your reply, anyone can get redeemed, but I feel like it would be unconvincing or at the least, take a lot of work to redeem these two. This is just my opinion I could be wrong.

But that's the thing. If Sakura and Hinata were redeemed in Naruto, it would have meant something significant, and it would have contributed to the narrative and plot, because if the plan were to redeem them, then logically Naruto and Sasuke would be made to get together at the end. Look at what Sakura and Hinata represent. Two heteronormative selfish, entitled, unsympathetic, boy crazy girls who would potentially make into women who would force gay men to marry them to keep their illusions of love afloat. They don't give a shit as long as they get what they want, even at the expense of their spouses' well being or their own long term happiness. It was necessary for them to be written that way to facilitate the Brokeback Mountainesque situation in Boruto, no? What with the whole story being a love story and Sakura and Hinata as tools that were used to keep Naruto and Sasuke prisoners to their miserable lives, life of a shinobi who is supposed to live in the darkness, enduring all the misery silently. It's not the kind of world that will accept them, certainly not Naruto, someone who was systematically and institutionally ostracized, an orphaned, homosexual boy who is fated to be THE person in the world that will change it for the better. And this was the only way to resolve this story, in order for it to justify the new gen story, hence becoming the tragic ending that we hate. So the antipathy towards these ladies never got resolved. However, in order for their redemption to happen in the manga, a lot of things would need changing. Like the state of the shinobi world. A lot of things would need changing if Sasuke and Naruto were written to finally get together. Yes, the ending as it is now feels contrived. It is contrived. But it is not meaningless. The shinobi world has been established as a cruel world, where people don't get what they deserve. Look at Haku, look at Madara, look at Kisame, look at Neji, Sasuke, Naruto, Uchiha clan. And those who get it, don't deserve it. Look at Sakura, look at Hinata, look at Sarutobi, look at Tobirama, look at Danzo, look at village elders.

I agree with you that it won't matter if they were redeemed in Boruto. Boruto is not about the boys, they are supporting characters in it. Their story was Naruto and Shippuden. Which is over. And obviously, Kishi made it a point post Shippuden to keep Hinata and Sakura's the same as before, so it doesn't look like he is planning to redeem them. Looks like status quo would persist in the distant future.

However, it could have been done in Shippuden. And like I said in the other post you mentioned, anyone can be redeemed in a show and it is all believable as long as the writer justifies it within the story itself. I used the example of Orange is the new black, because it shows a whole host of complex characters, deeply flawed and yet realistic characters who were written to justly finish their redemption arc. Take Maria's character, a secondary antagonist in the story. Maria is quiet and shy as a kid but given her circumstances, she transforms into a take charge dynamo of a person, very impressive and self assured, she takes after her religious leader/drug trafficker father, who can charm the masses and lead them. She steals from her place of work, she cheats on her husband, she doesn't feel any regret about it. She gets caught and is sentenced for fraud. She works her way in the prison, but navigating the prison life brings out the worst in her, she eventually becomes the leader of the prison riot. She becomes a full fledged bully, a sadist, she has no ethical compass anymore. This leads to her stint in the max security prison, where she is made to eat the humble pie, she learns that life could get even harder, and the choices she has been making has been leading her into even deeper shit, away from her daughter that she loves so much, away from her friends that were her family in the prison. She joins the church, she makes amends to people she has harmed. Her redemption arc is shown throughout the last two seasons, by the end of which, she makes the least destructive of all choices, she apologizes to Gloria, her close friend whom she betrayed, and lets her loving and kind husband to marry the woman he loves, her husband whom she treated very unkindly in the past, despite him being so devoted to her. She agrees to let her husband marry another woman, a woman he loves genuinely, because for once, she thinks about her husband, and not herself. She commits a selfless act.

There were many instances where Sakura was written with a possibility to demonstrate maturity. The reason why Kishi wrote those scenes that way was that, when a character does something decidedly immature at a place or time where the opportunity was so damn ripe to do something mature, and doesn't do it despite everything that has happened before in the plot which had led to the current situation, the character loses credibility in the eyes of the audience. Audiences aren't foolish. Any good writer knows this. The way Kishi wrote Sakura's scenes, stresses even more on the fact that her character simply didn't evolve. Remained the same. That's what narrative motifs are about. This way, the reader is able to glean the meaning out of the scene, as intended by the author easily. It makes the impression the author wants his writing to make. Kishi made it quite clear that the reason why Naruto followed Sasuke was to save him and help him, to relieve his loneliness, to protect him. To be there for him, because he loves Sasuke and he KNOWS Sasuke reciprocates his feelings, even if he makes excuses to hide them, actions speak louder than words. As is evidenced in vote one especially. Sakura was written to chase after Sasuke for her own selfish reasons, where she simply ignores the need to know the truth about Uchiha massacre or any wish to actually know or understand Sasuke. Which Sasuke is clearly shown to understand about her. That's why he keeps telling her that she is annoying, just casually, an off the cuff remark lol. But when Naruto follows him, he gets very reactive, very disturbed, very distracted. Because he knows why Naruto is doing it, he suspects it. He keeps asking Naruto why because he wants to get confirmation from Naruto. Which he gets at the end. Point is, Sakura was shown to be selfish till the end, starting with part one, and then in the kage arc, war arc, just before vote two, at the end when she responds to Sasuke's apology as if she deserved it all along, and then asks if Sasuke would take her on his redemption journey. And then in Boruto and Gaiden.

Naruto on the other hand is shown as the one who is ready to share Sasuke's burdens and die with him in the same scene where Sakura tried to stab Sasuke in the back.

If you truly have conviction in your love, if you know that you love for the right reasons and if you truly care about your object of love, you would do things very differently from what Sakura did to Sasuke consistently in the manga. And all of it was shown to be done by Naruto. Who knows he loves for the right reasons, he would be a fool in love but not leave Sasuke's side because that's how much he believes, they resonated with each other even when they didn't know how to articulate it, they were both lonely. Naruto believes in his love for Sasuke and he knows Sasuke loves him, because he showed it to Naruto, with actions more than words. Naruto changes, he evolves in the course of the manga, he becomes better in every aspect, because he is constantly inspired by the memory of Sasuke, because of the motivation of protecting him and being his rock.

True love is courageous. True love doesn't hide behind empty words and excuses. True love justifies the words that have been said by the lovers. True love doesn't say the words and then take them back in the face of adversities. True love makes it happen despite the odds. That's the glory of true love. That's why it inspires us. That's why Sasuke was convinced by Naruto and not anyone else at the end. Sakura was given all the chances and suggestive realisations but still no redemptive action. Same with Hinata. She realises she is being selfish when jumping in the fight against Pein but she does it anyway because she couldn't help being attracted to Naruto and needed to make an impression on him at the expense of the whole village and Naruto's life, followed by getting trolled by Kishi when Sakura hugs Naruto in front of her. Still no redemptive action. Not even in the war arc when Neji died.

If you can make it believable, anyone can be redeemed, just need to justify it properly. And of course, it won't be an isolated event, it would influence the plot and characters that are connected with them.

Like for example, think about a character such as Oro. He was written to be dreaded, reviled, to cause shivers down the spine, and nervousness, to create a feeling of unease and anticipation, right? Because he is cruel and an evil genius, he is always a step ahead of his opponent, he is clever as a fox. But even he was redeemed. And no, the idea of his redemption was not just at the end when he supported the war efforts. The feeling of antipathy towards him went once he confronts the dead kages in the war arc and supports Sasuke. All through Shippuden, the audience is made to see how none of the adults in their world even attempts to understand Sasuke's predicament and given the amount of focus Kishi spent on making the readers understand Sasuke's tragic past, it makes you feel frustrated to see how no one in the plot tries to even understand Sasuke's side.

This was Kakashi.

Even though Kakashi is shown to acknowledge that Sasuke has truly suffered given his past, he still doesn't understand him. And Sasuke's attitude towards him doesn't improve till the end. At best, he becomes close to indifferent to Kakashi at the end. It's all understandable because it makes sense, because Kakashi has already been established as a complacent and unquestioning tool of the shinobi system. He is emotionally inept and doesn't understand his own team members. And he thinks Naruto and Sasuke are just rivals while Sakura's love for Sasuke has matured, she really loves Sasuke, a girl who is kind and gentle. Lol.

This was Itachi, but who's surprised? Itachi is the definition of tool of the system.

With Itachi, Sasuke tries his best to express his frustration with the system that was evidently so deeply unfair, he tried to explain where his anger came from, which is all very justified. He appeals to Itachi's love for him, and Itachi admits he was wrong to treat Sasuke as a blank canvas, as a kid who didn't understand the world. We again get to see yet another adult, someone who is this close to Sasuke, not understand Sasuke's predicament. Despite Sasuke's desperate attempts. Even Sasuke gets it at the end that there's no point explaining anything further to Itachi, he is brainwashed to the hilt. But he was still Sasuke's brother, and he did take the blame for being the reason why Sasuke was the way he was. But the audience is left frustrated nevertheless. After all this build up to show how cruel Danzo was and how the elders and Sarutobi were complicit in the massacre, we still see them regarding it lightly, as if it is an everyday event. And it compounds our frustration.

No cost is big enough for the apparent safety of Konoha, as per Danzo, but we all know Danzo did it for personal gain, his megalomania, the power hungry despot in him who traded power for hate and destroyed a whole clan like so many stray animals. Danzo was basically a hypocrite. A lot of characters were, in the name of Konoha.

This was Sakura.

After which she promptly made a plan to go kill Sasuke and attempted it.

And then there were others.

No one really cared. Except Naruto of course, shown in kage arc.

Oro is the only adult who supports Sasuke and says something that all the sane audiences have been wanting for someone to say. Someone reliable, someone who would make sense of it, someone who would reassure us that we weren't crazy, that whatever we are feeling is justified. Kishi is not blind to it either, but he needed to set up this world as deeply unfair, and he was going for eternity apparently, lol, which is why nothing really changed much even after Shippuden. None of these characters were redeemed, the ones that never understood Sasuke.

We are clearly shown by Kishi why it was that Oro changed his decision, he was not interested in participating in the war at all, his objectives were in no way benefited from the war. He was interested in Sasuke and even when he is reincarnated by Sasuke, he is still after Sasuke's body. But Sasuke had his own reasons to have brought back Oro and he tells him, Oro is intrigued. He is concerned so he tells Sasuke to not get embroiled, but Sasuke lets him know he can handle it and that he isn't a child. Sasuke shows agency. He is determined, there's a mature look to him, a certain calm strength of will. He realized what Sasuke has been through, he who understands Sasuke's motivation very well. He knew Sasuke went through hell, to be able to kill Itachi, and then he was told the truth about him, he was manipulated even by him, as he himself admits, but he can see that Sasuke has changed, grown. And this convinces Oro to help him, who is now invested in Sasuke's future, even if he doesn't particularly benefit from it. In the scene when all the dead kages are brought back, we are waiting to see what will happen with baited breath, it's a big deal. The crescendo is building and building, big credit to Oro who kept goading and goading, putting all those thoughts in words that we were thinking all along.

"It's really not that complex a jutsu....". He tells it like it is with such dry wit and sharp sarcasm, he trolls Tobirama and how. Hahahah. He calls him out left and right and it is then reiterated by Hashirama. Full entertainment guaranteed. He unequivocally takes Sasuke's side and he doesn't have a hidden agenda anymore. He threatens to destroy Konoha himself lol. He threatens all the kages, all the leaders of Konoha, people who made very bad decisions. He genuinely wants to see the way Sasuke's wind would blow. And when he feels Sasuke's life is being threatened by Tobirama, he positions himself for retaliation and is ready to protect Sasuke.

Sasuke resonates with Oro. Even though Oro was portrayed as a ruthless, mad genius, cruel and manipulative villain, whose past (childhood) was suggested to be equally unfair, but who has been hunting our favourite characters, harming them, torturing them, of course he was reviled by readers. But then, he is made to do the one thing no other adult could do. And it suits him very well. He is one who wanted to get all the victims of this unfair world together and make his own village, he was a non conformist, he was the outlier, someone who understands the ways of this world very well and takes advantage of it for his own benefit without regret, he refused to pander to the shinobi world's ways, he decided to make his own. It suited him to go his own way, being disinterested in war and to root for something/someone he was interested in. Sasuke. He puts his hand where his mouth is. Unlike others, he is not a hypocrite. He has seen wars too closely and he knows what it does to people. All the collateral damage. Sasuke is able to relate with Oro. This is what redeemed Oro, to whatever extent he has been redeemed to. Of course it doesn't make all his other actions alright, but it does soften our impression of him and we lose the edge of antipathy towards him.

And this was done properly. It was made to look believable. You are right, it takes work. The ladies' redemption doesn't mean anything now, in Boruto. It could have meant something back then, but Kishi wasn't going for it in any case.

#ask #vanilacatchocalatecat #sasuke #orochimaru #itachi #danzo #naruto #haruno sakura #anti ss #sns #uzumaki naruto #uchiha sasuke #kakashi #sasunaru #narusasu #anti nh #hyuuga hinata

[kcuf-ad]

The Hyugas are fucking pathetic it is so funny to me. They have a total of 5 named characters there, and only 1 of them is likeable.

They are "so great at Taijutsu" when there is like one guy that actually won a fight with it.

They put a seal jutsus on people that aren't in the Main Branch and they do nothing about it.

They claimed to be the most powerful Clan in Konoha, when there like 4 different clans that could wipe their ass with them.

An average Uchiha could beat like half of their asses because at least the basic Sharingan doesn't just let them see chakra.

They have this glaring issue is that if you attacked them from behind, like at the middle, they can't fucking see it.

And when one of them actually want to be a full 3 dimensional character with actual flaws and ideal ideas, they kill him off for a shitty ship that have great total of 5 scenes in canon and so that he doesn't laugh his ass off when he realizes that he was correct about his idea about destiny.

Could not have been me.

#anti konoha #anti hyuuga #anti hyuga #anti hinata #anti hisashi hyuga #anti hanabi hyuga #pro neji #neji hyuga #neji hyuuga #neji is the only good character from the hyuuga

[leportraitducadavre]

I deleted the reblog but the casual transphobia of the Hinata fandom when speaking about Sakura's body baffles me, are you seriously willing to go to such lengths in order to defend a 2D character whose entire relevance rests upon being the stalker of the main character?

You can't call yourself feminists nor expect a feminist critique of your favorite character if you're not willing to conduct yourselves with the same levels of respect, you buffoons!

Body-shaming is never okay but, in this specific case, I don't think this is comparative to the simple idea of "body-shaming" because the comparison is not only about Sakura and/or Sarada's "masculinized" body but also to the use of the term "trans prostitute" in a pejorative manner and as a way of categorizing trans identity in conjunction with sexually exploitative work.

This is done in order to diminish the relevance of trans identities by linking them to the idea of "boys" and "masculinized body types" as opposed to the notion of "feminized body types" (as if women are standardized individuals and anything outside of that curvy body type you lot love to associate Hinata with, is somehow masculine), while at the same time tying them to sex-work, which is an archetype and a job that the trans community has not only been pushed into but also attempts to disassociate itself from.

#tw: transphobia #anti hinata #anti hinata hyuga #anti hinata hyuuga #anti hinata stans #anti hinata fandom #anti naruhina #anti nh #anti naruhina fandom

[sakuraharuno156]

Why I despise Hinata after the s*it show she pulled against Pain - a rant.

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People seem to love Hinata because she was "so brave" and wanted to "protect" Naruto, but that's bulls*it. She just showed her selfishness and attention seeking behavior, but people are so blinded by their love towards her, that they can't see the facts that manga showed us.

What is Narutos biggest nightmare? Being the nine tail fox. He is terrified because people see him as a destructive force that he is fighting his whole life to suppress.

Since first chapter we know that Naruto doesn't want to destroy the village nor to kill people. He is fighting his whole life just to prove to people he is not a demon fox.

He wants to become Hokage and prove himself as a protector, not a destroyer.

In first chapters we see that Naruto just wants to be loved, accepted and SEEN, but not AS A FOX, AS NARUTO.

So what our selfish princess gonna do with it?

Show him love and support when he needs it, like after Jirayas death? No.

She will jump into a fight she has no chance in to confess her attention seeking "love" and comit su*cide in front of Naruto. In front of a child that wants love above anything else. A child that lives for a tiniest substitute of love. What did she expect? To win? No. Everyone knows she has no chance. To help Naruto? I'll show how she "helped" in a second.

She is selfish, she said it herself and I hate her for what she did.

Her "help" just resulted in Naruto losing all control and letting Kurama out. Because of Hinata, Naruto became the thing he tried HIS WHOLE LIFE to prove his not.

He is in pain. He's hurting.

He is giving up and allowing Kurama to take over and to destroy the village. His whole life of being hated is coming back to him and he is turning into a monster that destroyed the village 16 years ago when he was born.

Because of Hinata, Naruto is becoming a monster that is about to kill everyone and destroy everything. That's what she did.

But luckily we have Minato, the person who really saved Naruto in that situation. The person that Naruto is thanking for saving him.

But let's see how he feels about what Hinata did to him?

"You did that."

Naruto is so terrified that HE destroyed the village, that he really IS THE MONSTER that's killed a person that "loves" him and destroyed whole village.

He is holding his heart, he is in such mental pain that it's hurts him physically.

Hinata almost ruined Naruto and everything he worked for. She is a terrible person for what did to him. If not for Minato that stopped him, Naruto would destroy everything and hate himself.

And Naruto we know would rather die, than hurt people he cares about and Konoha.

So no, Hinata didn't "save him", she destroyed him into pieces that Minato had to put back.

And that's not the only person that was hurt by her selfishness, but who cares about her guard that literally told her he would be punished if she got hurt, who cares about others, right? It doesn't matter as long as Hinata had her selfish "love" confession, right?

I hate her, I really do. She's a selfish person that's hurts everyone along her way, just to get what she wants.

#anti hinata #anti naruhina #anti studio pierrot #naruto #anti hinata hyuga #anti hinata fandom #naruto shipuden #naruto pain #pain arc #naruto vs pain #hinata vs pain #pro naruto manga #naruto manga #anti hinata hyuuga

[sasukesun]

kishimoto literally said in an interview that neji died as a cupid for naruhina, not that it’s not clear enough by the manga, but the creator said that himself. how can anyone take his death seriously? and when you look at the writing it’s just clownery after clownery.

as this post says, you have the wooden spears being fired, enough time for not one, but two people to jump in front of the attack, but not enough time to use a jutsu to break them, nor to push who’s getting attacked, and the spears aren’t even powerful enough to impale multiple people, just one. so neji, a jounin, end up taking the shot.

and then neji starts his final words with this:

it seems that he is trying to push hinata to naruto, which makes no sense of his character to do that. of course he continues with this:

and that makes a bit more of sense considering that if hinata’s life is at risk, it means his is as well, because, you know, he is her slave and must do that. but still, neji and naruto’s relationship has never been about hinata, it’s out of character of neji to do that, in his final moments above all.

neji isn’t dying for naruto, he isn’t dying for his comrade, the wooden spike would only kill hinata, neji is dying for her, it makes no sense of him to say this either, they tried to push this idea that neji was dying for naruto because “he was called a genius” but i can’t buy any of that when it just looks like he was used as a cupid (and confirmed by kishi after).

and then what happens after obito mocks neji’s death? hinata says this:

pushing some guilt trippy will of fire discourse onto him, and not only that, but the content itself sounds similar to naruto’s speech to his dark self only to repress it, that he needs to be the man, the hero, people expect him to be, which we know it’s bullshit, another part of the story that doesn’t look like it’s taken seriously by kishimoto either.

(would also like to comment about hinata saying “what inspired neji and carried him this far were those very principles” because they are again trying to mask how neji died for hinata as her slave, sweeping things under the rug much).

hinata’s speech to him, which is complemented by kurama for some reason (why is everybody out of character in this moment oh my god), isn’t even that romantic if you look at it, it has a lot of “will of fire” content, and it makes waterfall of truth and boruto (and naruhina consequently) even more ironic and goofy imo. incredible how the parts of naruto’s character going wrong at the ending are all tied to boruto huh.

and if you look at naruto holding hinata’s hand… it’s still not shippy on naruto’s side… he had just thought about everybody “who’s been on his side” (those people… wtf really), and says it’s because of all of those people, not just hinata. even after all this bullshit, naruto can’t genuinely reciprocate her lol.

just can’t wrap my head around how unserious this entire moment is, how damaging it is to the ending and naruto’s character, how it was set up only to push for the cash cow that is boruto, the level gets so low when the own writer doesn’t care about the writing.

disclaimer: sasusaku shippers dni, your ship is just as bad

#naruto #uzumaki naruto #hyuuga neji #anti naruhina #anti naruto ending #anti nh #anti boruto #neji #naruto analysis #naruto textpost #bella.txt #hinata #hyuuga hinata #anti hinata

[nejisworshipper]

Naruto novels aren’t truthful because they aren’t written by Kishimoto.

The end.

#naruto #naruto shippuuden gif #naruto shippuden #boruto two blue vortex #boruto #naruto novels #hinata hyuuga #haruno sakura #sasuke uchiha #narusasu #narusaku #naruhina #sasusaku #sasunaru #masashi kishimoto #anti studio pierrot

[wisebeth]

Analysing Kushina's “find someone like me”

I have seen this discourse for years and how people take her words out of context or misinterpret it so I'll give an explanation here.

Many fans claim Hinata wasn't fit to be with him because she was nothing like Kushina and I personally believe Kushina didn't mean similarities in personality but their feelings and love for Naruto.

1. Hinata believed in Naruto before anyone else did

Usually parents are the first people to have faith in you. Kushina had that too, and Hinata saw his potential just by watching him from afar. She believed in him from the start, just like Kushina.

2. She loved him even when he was at his lowest point

Parents who selflessly love their kids love them with all their flaws and mistakes. Kushina's love for Naruto was similar to that. Hinata admired Naruto when she was the heiress of the most prestigious clan of Konoha, while he was literally seen as a ‘loser’ or worse ‘monster’. She saw him at his worst and still found him the best. She loved him with all his flaws, just like Kushina.

3. She loved him more than her own life.

If there's one thing they completely had in common was they loved him more so than themselves and never expected anything in return. She loved him selflessly, just like Kushina.

4. She was willing to give up her life to protect him

I don't think I need to further explain this one. She was prepared to die if it meant he'll live, just like Kushina.

5. She helped Naruto when he needed it the most

Kushina met Naruto to help him with suppressing Kyuubi's chakra, which we all know, how important it was for Naruto to do so. Hinata knocked sense into him when he was losing hope in the middle of the war. She helped him in a crucial point in his life, just like Kushina.

In conclusion, I'd like to say that I always believed Kushina meant to find a woman who will love, help and be there for Naruto like she did, rather than something superficial as same personality. Hinata loved Naruto exactly like Kushina did, the only difference being one is motherly, the other is romantic. So in my opinion Naruto did find someone like her

And if any of you try to bring up Sakura, I want to point out that yes Sakura cared about him and saved his life and more similar to Kushina's personality (which I already debunked is irrelevant) but here's the thing– Sakura is already out of the equation because she loves Naruto platonically and Kushina was talking about romantic love.

#naruto #naruto shippuden #naruto uzumaki #naruto manga #kushina uzumaki #kushina #hinata hyuuga #hinata #pro hinata #naruhina #pro naruhina #sakura haruno #sakura #anti narusaku