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gritsandbrits · 3 months
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It really says something that the Helluva Boss fandom is willing to excuse every evil action Stella does and every evil thing she says, especially her abuse towards Stolas and begging for her to have sympathetic traits, yet not once have I ever seen an HB fan desperately wishing for Crimson or Mammon to be portrayed more sympathetically than they are in the show and call it bad writing when they don't show any redeeming qualities. The fandom just accepts the fact that those guys are pure evil without batting an eye. Nobody asks why they're the way they are. But Stella? Nope, there MUST be a sympathetic reason for her being an abusive bitch to Stolas because it's apparently "unrealistic" for a woman to abuse her husband out of spite never mind the fact that those kinds of women actually exist in real life.
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These images pretty much speak for themselves.
Crimson, Striker, Mammon, Andrealphus and Valentino are no less two-dimensionally evil than Stella is. What reason did Crimson have to murder his own wife and make his son experience it? Just to traumatize him? The show never really says why he does it, he just does it so the audience can have a reason to hate him. What reason does Striker have to help Stella try to kill Stolas? None, as far as we know. What is there to Mammon's character other than abusing Fizzarolli and being a greedy asshole in general? Why does Andrealphus flirt with his own sister and participate in her scheme to have Stolas murdered by Striker? Because reasons. Why is Valentino a rapist who takes advantage of Angel Dust and sexually abuses him? Just because he can. What makes Stella any different from these guys other than being female?
Fans are just asking for her to be more sympathetic because she's a woman and they can't accept the fact that women are capable of abuse without trying to justify it. The whole "behind every bad bitch is a man who made her that way" bullshit. People who see a woman beating her husband in public and automatically assume he did something to deserve it even if they have no evidence or context for what actually happened. Even though Stella has been treating Stolas like shit before he cheated on her, and he likely wouldn't be sleeping with Blitzø if she wasn't so horrible to him in the first place. He never even puts his hands on her and allowed her to abuse him so that Octavia could live and grow up with normal parents. (As normal as Stella and Stolas could possibly get with each other, anyway.)
Stella made fun of Stolas for not participating in sex with her and laughed about it while he was standing 2 feet away from her, and knew he was there. Whether or not she raped him to produce Octavia is a discussion for another day. If anything, Stolas cheating on her was revenge for treating him like garbage for so many years. She humiliated and embarassed him in public before getting a taste of her own medicine when Stolas does the same to her in return. She wouldn't even let him divorce her because she enjoys being mean to him. I wouldn't mind if Stella was given more charaterization outside of "abusive wife" but honestly? I don't really care if she's given sympathy or not. I don't want to sympathize with her. If Valentino isn't gonna change his ways any time soon, I have no reason to believe that Stella can. FFS Stella apologists make me mad. Even if you type in the "anti stella" tag on tumblr there are more posts defending and excusing her actions than those actually opposing her and saying "uh, no, she's just a cruel bitch" meanwhile if you type "anti Stolas" that's exactly what you're gonna get, pretty much exclusively.
Goes to show how hyper-sensitive tumblrinas are over female characters rightfully being portrayed as in the wrong when they fucking are.
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flowerycoffin · 2 years
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Stella is bad written villain
I will be honest here - I don’t like the direction “Helluva Boss” series is going and I have a lot to cover, so I’ll start with the most controversial subject in this fandom right now… Stella character.
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Trigger warning: I’m going to cover various forms of abuse, so if you are sensitive to those topic please consider if you want to read this.
Spoilers to: “Helluva Boss”(duh), “The Help”, “The Case Study of Vanitas”, “The Owl House”, “Prince of Egypt”, “Pręgi”, “Jujutsu Kaisen”
Sorry for any writting mistakes in advance :^)
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Season two came out and fandom is on fire again and I will give a bit more fuel to this. I want to show that Stella fails as a villain, abuser and character all together. I will divide it into few parts so it’ll be easier to separate my points:
1. Stella as abuser in media.
2. How Stella was written in season one.
3. How Stella was written in first episode of season two.
4. What is even Stellas goal?
5. Closing thoughts.
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STELLA AS ABUSER IN MEDIA
Let’s start from something simple - What even is an abuser?
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Definitions by Cambridge Dictionary
As we can see we definitely can call her an abuser as a person - she is harming Stolas emotionaly and tries to hurt physicaly. No doubt about that. But she is a character of fiction and that means that her behaviour can be used as abuser who is a tool or abuser who is an antagonist. Her behaviour must have a purpose in the story. Let me show how by storytelling point of view those two roles work:
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ABUSER AS A TOOL
When I think about this kind of abuser in fiction my first thought is Leroy - Minnies Jackson husband from movie “The Help”
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This shot is the only time we can hear him. We don’t see a face, hand or even a shadow. Only panicking Minny and a thrown pot. And that is perfectly enough, because his purpose is not to be relevant to a story but to show one of many obstacles which our heroines have to face in everyday life. Leroy is a tool showing how at the very beggining maid despite having sassy personality is not strong enough to fight husband and system she’s trapped in but at the end of the film we are told that she got a divorce symbolising better changes and finding inner strenght in her.
Another example of abuser meant to be a tool is Veronica de Salvo from “The Case Study of Vanitas”
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This time we can see abusers face and have more screen time with her than Leroy, yet girl is still a tool in the story showing a chierarchy in vampire world and destructive power future opponents can have. Not only that; she torments mentally her younger sister (side character) making her fall deeper into depression and guilt trip. Veronica is rotten to the core, having one of the most twisted moral spines I've ever witnessed and yet I doesn’t demand her further exploring. Show wouldn’t change much without her yet having Veronica as a tool to show how cruel vampire world is, is working perfectly.
So what is abuser when used as a tool?
- abuser is showing a world building,
- abuser is an obstacle,
- abuser is not related to a main plot,
- abuser non deliberate cause of characters actions.
And who is abuser used as a tool?
- abuser is one-dimentional,
- abuser doesn’t need a reason why,
- abuser is symbolism.
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ABUSER AS AN ANTAGONIST
In order to show what I have on mind I’ll start with one person Stella is mostly compared to - Odalia Blight
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Odalia is actively gaslighting her family and use their abilities for her own gain, but what is making her a villain and not a tool is being an active thread to our main protagonists. She is abusing not only side characters but also main cast and is a deliberate cause of heroes troubles. On top of that her behaviour and goal have an impact on the story. Yeah let's talk about a goal - Odalia is not evil for sake of being evil; she is evil because she wants her corporation to grow and her family name to be known by mass. It’s a good reason for villain - she’s not a bad person because she’s a bad person, she’s a bad person because her goal makes her blind on other factors.
Another good example of abuser being an antagonist is Ramzes from “Prince of Egypt”. No wait, hear me out-
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Ramzes taking role of the pharaon in the same time is active counterpant in Jews slavery which is (who would’ve thought) a form of abuse and torments his adoptive brother mentaly while tormenting others physicaly even more than before, because sibling wanted to free those people and break a chain of hatred and misfortune. Ramzes’s goal is to make even greater country than his father did with hands of slaves and his reason of thinking it’s right thing to do it the way he does is living in a broken system which empathises slavery and lack of consequences from pharaon side.
So what is abuser as an antagonist?
- abuser is a thread to main protagonists,
- abuser have an active role in the story,
- abuser is a deliberate cause of characters actions.
And who is abuser as an antagonist?
- abuser have a reason why,
- abuser is character with personality outside being evil,
- abuser is enemy to a main cast.
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What kind of abuser Stella is then? She sure does have an active role in the story hiring an assasin and is a cause of Stolas and Octavias mental states and actions; Stella is also Stolas enemy making a thread to his life. That should mean she is an antagonist right? But Stella doesn’t seem to have personality outside being awful wife trope and her reason for her attitude towards Stolas is unclear. Also as in season one a reason to kill her husband is slightly on point, while in season two it doesn’t make sense anymore and we’ll see why in a bit. If you decide to make abuser your antagonist you must take into consideration why they became the way they are, no shortcuts.
I remember when one movie was showed to my class at sex education lessons. It was awful, ‘cause it glorified romance with dangerous and easily thrown into physical abuse individual. Thanks to this essay I watched it again :’^) and it wasn’t that bad :^D until glorifying molestation romance plot came in :^[. The movie I’m talking about is called “Pręgi” (”Stripes”) and I’m mentioning this because “Pręgi” is telling hurtful story about domestic abuse and it’s outcome (also throwing at viewer sex-assaulting girl but it’s not about her thankfully).
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 We have not one but two abusers as antagonists (both men, one being a main character so more like abuser as protagonist but ssshhh) and one abuser as a tool (a woman). This film can show how every of antagonists have layers, reasons, motivations and different emotions. Something which Stella have none of but sure resembles the only tool-abuser whom doesn’t have any other personality trait besides passive-aggressiveness and no reason for being awful human being beside drinking too much wine. Again - if you put abuser into role of the antagonist, abusers personality can’t be just a plain angry caricature. This is mane weakness of Stellas character - she doesn’t have one! Thats why she fails as both abuser and character.
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HOW STELLA WAS WRITTEN IN SEASON ONE
First time we can see Stella’s behaviour is in episode 2 and we are getting introduced by this scene:
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We can see she’s pretty self-centred taking a whole sheet around her and probably done with parenting (being woken up by a toddler after whole day of taking care of them ain’t a great thing, trust me). This doesn’t tell us much; just that she’s probably selfish, that’s all. Than the next time we see her we have a small time jump to the present day, but before this we get little, yet informative quote from Stolas during his lullaby
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Yes, those are YouTube subtitles, I was too lazy to add them myself.
“I used to think love would be fun” - this can indicate that marriage even if arranged could be merry at first or that Stolas had other potential partners before Stella. Anyhow that means that their marriage is slowly falling apart or something is not like it used to be.
Now to the time jump-
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Stella finds out her husband cheated on her with lower class. Don’t want to play devils advocate here but anyone would probably react similar way after finding out they were cheated on. She seems to be the most angry at the fact that a person Stolas cheated with was an imp (the lowest class in hell). It’s easy to see that she is on the verge of her nerves and can’t control herself anymore (according to her daughter it’s yet another time they were arguing so it must hurt deeply).
What else do we have in this episode?
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Via’s words “My parents didn’t hate eachother”. If you think that’s not important because people tend to romanticise their childhood, you are only half right here - children are the best observers on the world and soak everything like a dry sponge. Octavia didn’t used words ‘loved’, ‘liked’ but ‘didn’t hate’. This can mean that even if Stolas and Stella disliked eachother they tried to appear well infront of their daughter and weren’t as chaotic as they are now. To justify this point I want to show the last thing what appeared in this episode:
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Family picture with whole THREE in the LooLoo Land. Stella is visibly uncomfortable here but still goes with them. What was stopping her to say “No, I’m not coming.”? She’s with her family willingly even if she herself is not keen on spending time in amusment park.
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We don’t see her for the next couple episodes until harvest moon festival where Stella is shown at the end of the episode ordering Striker to kill Stolas.
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She’s visibly out of her mind and can’t think straight anymore. She wants it all to end and by end she can’t think of anything else except eliminating Stolas for good.
“I want this cheating prick dead” - don't know how about you, but I think she wasn’t mad for sleeping with lower class but for sleeping with someone else at all.
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HOW STELLA WAS WRITTEN IN SEASON TWO
We have first episode of second season, we have deep dive into Stolas life, I can’t wait to see what Vivzie’s team come up wit- Oh man….
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Wait, she was like that even as a baby? Great character development guys.
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What a cold bish. And motivation is a peak of greatness.
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No angry wife stereotypes on the horizon.
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All of those hints, all of this build up for nothing? Stella is bad because she is bad? What is the point in killing Stolas anymore? How can you burry a great concept like that?
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Yeah, all of those theories can be shoved under the rug; it seems like Stella have nothing except sheer enjoyment of tormenting her husband and being angry when he finally stands for himself. She is one-dimentional blank paper page with no motivation. She is made because apparently it’s not clear enough who we should feel sorry for. Spindle Horse really thought it’s a good idea that one of the main villains is just screeching fursona whose sole purpose to exist is to say to the viewers “Look, this birb is a baddie and this birdie is not. Look how deep it is.”. Yes, I am mad. I am mad because everything condensed in season one is worthless, because I am sick of bad wife stereotype, because it’s annoying watching somebody being bad for sole reason of being bad. Spindlehorse Toons have huge impact on mainstream, and rooting character model like that into viewers is just invalidating.
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WHAT IS EVEN STELLAS GOAL?
We know Stella wants Stolas dead, but why? If her motivation is love of tormenting him than she doesn’t have much planning comprehension, because she won’t be able to do that anymore. If thats because he shreded family name, divorce should be enough - that litterally means you aren’t bounded with anything at all anymore, If she’s doing it to have her revenge than….. for what exactly? Stolas isn’t making a whole Goetia family name dirty, only his. This will be just dump to see whole family be taken as immoral (whatever it means in hell) because husband made a mistake- HUSBAND; somebody who can be cutted off and replaced.
I wish to add something more here but can’t, because Stellas goal makes no sense at all. She isn’t hurted by the fact Stolas cheated on her, only highly annoyed. Trying to make Goetia name clean also doesn’t make sense, because eliminating one of family members would make the name even worse and because reasons from paragraph before. Stella is litterally this cartoon villain with no motivation except “getting those ugly smurfs/taking back what was once stollen/rule Equestria”. Alright, maybe don’t paint Gargamel, Queen Chrystalis or another Skeletor in a bad light because those are villains from kids cartoons - they’re meant to be easy to interpret. Stella is villain in adult animation. Standards are different.
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CLOSING THOUGHTS
I can hear somebody writting carefully “You’re mad because Stella is female, if she was a man you wouldn’t write this.”. Guess what - I want mane abuser and villain to have depth no matter the gender. Making female character awful demon spouse who have no other trait besides being evil is not innovative take; it’s lazy, bad and stereotypical writting. 
I really wish I wouldn’t be so harsh on Vivziepop and her team, but I can’t stand seeing once very complicated situasion in arranged marriage where fault is on both sides getting run over a steamroller and changing into ‘poor manbaby with no friends is chasing his only love and his horrendous wifey is a huge baddie and always has been’.
Stella fails in every aspect, and it says someone who could say “Step on me” to Mahito - a villain hated by whole fandom because he’s bad since day one and hurts main protagonists on daily basis and even kill loved by everyone cinnamon roll Junpei for sake of putting main hero on verge. But here’s a thing - even if both Stella and Mahito are awful people since they were born Mahito somehow manages to be well written villain with his reasons and other traits than mean and bad.
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Please people, I know we already have huge favour by having those series for free on YouTube and animation is stellar, but sometimes we need to remember that nothing is perfect and Stella’s character really insulted writting abilities of creators and audience. Just look at all those examples above - there are women and men having different purposes in the stories, screentime and personalities, but all of them are abusers and negative characters. Even if media themselves have isssues here and there, they know how to use their opressors and Spindlehorse is (I believe) capable doing the same. It’s nothing wrong in feeling empathy to a villain (”My Sister’s Keeper”), it’s nothing wrong when villain have fiddling excuse (”The Bookshop”), but it’s wrong to make it insulting, non-motivated way like in Stella’s case.
Thanks for staying till the end. Have this heart as a gift for staying for so long on this a bit negative post
<3
Dividers by @delishlydelightfuldividers​
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Vivziepoop Stans Love One Note Dimensional Protagonists
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They always mentioned how she s/a him but if you dare bring up the idea that Stolas sexually coerced Blitzo then you get tons of justification saying it's Blitzos own fault. It's one thing to always be a villain but it's another thing to be a villain you find in shipping fanfiction to justify having your pairing get together without being condemned for cheating.
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mingot-studios · 1 year
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ok question
how come when Stella is revealed to be abusive to her husband, it's "bad writing" and 'sexist'
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but when toh does the EXACT SAME THING it's considered 'subversive' and 'progressive' because it 'shows that men can be victims of abuse too?'
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showtoonzfan · 10 months
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I will admit, sometimes I love looking at Viv’s liked tweets because they’re so ironic and hilarious.
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This tweet is a jab at fandoms being sexist, favoring the male characters more but always shitting on the female characters simply because they feel negative emotions or god forbid they’re flawed themselves. The tweet itself speaks facts as I’ve seen MANY fandoms act like this, (especially if the male characters aren’t saints either but end up getting rooted for while the female characters don’t) but for Vivzie to like it despite the fact that she does exactly this is funny, cause in my opinion this tweet can resonate with writers too.
In Vivzie’s case the female characters that Blitz and Stolas have wronged are either portrayed as bitches or obstacles, all because of favoritism towards the males. Stella, Verosika, and even Barbie are supposed to come off as bitchy for breaking the males Uwu hearts, and Octavia is always upset with her father who’s supposed to be this imperfect little angel. Even if the show establishes that these characters were hurt by Blitz and Stolas, the show at the end of the day wants you to take their side and feel more bad for THEM rather than the people they actually wronged, and because the writing on this show is sexist as hell and so is the fandom, everyone roots for the problematic male characters but demonizes the female ones. Viv babies Blitz and Stolas cause they’re her favorite uwu soft bois but certainly not the female characters, nor cares to expand on them WITHOUT surrounding it on Blitz and Stolas’s trauma. She IS bad at writing women. It’s just very ironic lol.
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susu-enjoyer · 2 months
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Same Stella same
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grayluforever · 7 months
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He’s not even really a good dad either since he doesn’t know a thing about Octavia’s interests and uses her as an excuse to leave the house
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cookies-in-chees · 8 months
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In defense of Stella, aka why the abusive owl milf is the best character in helluva boss
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I think helluva boss is poorly written but not in the way most anti helluva boss “vivziepop breathed in the wrong direction she should kill herself” people think it is. I don’t think it’s edgy enough, as in the show is meant to be edgy but no one on the writing team has the balls to actually do anything that could actually upset people. They are allowed to swear and be a little catty but nothing actually controversial happens. They can’t be really bad people or do fucked up shit for the joke.
“Well in my helluva boss re-write the characters are allowed to be ba-“ I doubt they are. I truly believe that a most people who call themselves “helluva boss critical” are not really equipped to write a helluva boss re-write because they don’t know how to write “offensive” jokes. Because they can’t handle this neutered ass show, helluva boss is first and foremost a comedy, not a drama.
“I can make the re-write better” I hear you say “in my au Stolas is the evil bad guy and Stella is an innocent angel who did nothing wrong” congrats you’re doing it wrong. Stella is the funniest character in the show because she just sucks as a person. By being a 1 dimensional villian she is allowed to be an awful person in a funny way. The writers obviously don’t want the audience to sympathize with Stella so she is allowed to unabashedly be a bad person without having to be written as “forgivable” and she is better off for it.
And that’s what makes her great. She is the best girl not in spite of being a one dimensional villain but because of it.
(Also she kinda just hot but you didn’t hear it from me)
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chomchomcherrybomb · 2 years
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I swear
Stella supporters need to reevaluate their priorities and cognitive functioning abilities 💀
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Hot take :
Female characters can be abusive and awful people, and making them irredeemable is not misogyny. It's just an acknowledgment that not all people who treat others poorly have a good reason for doing so, and that includes women.
Can it be bad writing? Sure. Is it always, though? Not really. Especially if the toxic female character was always a bitch from the start and it's obvious that the writers have no intention of redeeming her and never intended for her to be sympathetic. (Looking at you, Stella Goetia stans.)
Though it's even worse when the female character in question isn't even acknowledged as a bad person by the narrative, let alone her fans. *cough* Chi-Chi from Dragon Ball *cough* MCU Captain Marvel *cough* Sam Raimi's version of Mary Jane *cough*
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porcelaintoybox23 · 2 years
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I like Stella, even after watching season 2 episode 1. Her being a cartoonishly evil bitch doesn't absolve Stolas for being a cheater or shit dad who abuses his dynamic with Blitz who also is using Stolas. It's hell, they all suck. Villainzing a female character won't work as well for me in this setting. Why is she suddenly physically abusive?
Stolitz is a ship where neither party is actually in it. Stolas is desperate for companionship and coerces Blitz into sex. Blitz is manipulating Stolas to run his business. I like these characters because they suck.
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Ukefication Of Stolas
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Just as many people said that Vivziepop's writing is kind of like the worst of fanfiction tropes, I think one trope in particular is being invoked with Stolas is the Ukefication. It's a term where a character is devolved into a vulnerable and emotional character so they can be submissive to their partner and look more pitiful so you can feel sympathy for them and that they seek comfort in his significant other. A trait that can be seen with Stolas as the show goes on.
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Let's go back to the pilot where although he's obsessed with Blitzo, he also can make demands of him and presents himself as someone who has his own agenda other than sex. He actually lives up to the persona of a demon lord and is unapologetic about his depravity. He's a guy who feels like he could be an antagonist if Blitzo gets on his bad side. The guy is truly someone who you should have a bit of fear for.
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In the first episode, we do still see him more softer in voice but at the same time there is hint of that devious manipulator who can use Blitzo's situation to exchange more sex out of him. Noticeably, this would be the last time we see hints of his pilot immorality here. Mostly because of the questionable consent of the relationship. But again showing how he holds the cards in the relationship and Blitzo has to navigate his way to say in his favors.
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Even though Stolas called in for protection from imp, it was merely an excuse to get close to Blitzo and he showed what he was capable of taking care of himself. It again shows that Stolas is a being capable of doing stuff himself but enjoys Blitzo's company due to his lusting over him.
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Seriously, "Truth Seekers" we blatantly see Stolas being the one calling the shots and chaining Blitzo up. trying to show us that he feels trapped in this relationship even if later it would be shown he was the one who got it in Stolas' head they were a item. But again this demonstrates how unequal it feels and how everything seems to be out of his hand
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In that same episode, we also see how much of a monster Stolas can be and that even though he's just a prince he still outmatches DHORKS who are slaughtered without any mercy.
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I think where the shift happens is in the "Circus" where the established backstory of them being childhood friends was shown and we get more bad slash fanfiction tropes at us. He's also made way younger from an ancient demon who was a fallen angel to just a millennial parent in hell years. And we got this scene where Blitzo plays dominant seducer in order to get the book. We see Stolas be reluctant to sleep with him but gradually gets more into it when he misinterprets his move as being sexually enthusiastic. This is contrast as said before how Blitzo felt trapped when in reality he was the one who got the ball rolling and it shaves off the feeling of domination he previously was tormented by. A
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Also the "Circus" finally confirmed Stella had always been abusive and still was in his life because she wanted to torment him. And even though it would have been interesting for her character showing she was always bad, the way they portray it is just so boing that it feels more like derailed characterization in a fanfiction rather than any smart writing. And again it feels like the childhood friend thing just to make Stolas more sympathetic and woobify him due to fans noticing how crappy he comes off as. It's also made to make Stolitz look better in comparison and make him into this sad owl man who just needs someone like Blitzo to finally accept him.
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This ukefication can also be seen in how in "Seeing Stars" he mentions how weak he is in the human world when we previously saw him practically at full power without the grimoire and it comes off more of an excuse to make him seem less of a powerhouse and more of a vulnerable person to "relate" to and for him to fawn over Blitzo as he does stuff.
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Again in Western Energy they pull out any bs excuse in order to make him be in danger from Striker. This gets annoying that even if he's not one hundred percent based the actual Stolas it again is annoying see someone named after a demon lord be such a wimp in order to damsel him in the episode. And again even more embarrassing it's from one of the lower class demands like an imp. I know they said it's' blessed ropes but you would think that imp would be affected handling that as well if they weren't careful. And even then it should be more difficult taking on a goetia which are said to be very dangerous demons in demonology.
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Finally we get Stolas in the last scene after being badly hurt by Striker he has numerous injuries from being stabbed and beaten up. Again he really looks not like the Demon Lord in the pilot but more like those slash doujins you see online. He really was wussified for this ship and to make him into this big teddy bear the fans can feel sorry for even though we know he's capable. And again make Blitzo feel sorry for not being there when was kidnapped.
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Overall, as season two has gone on we really see how wussified/ukeficated Stolas has become. He not only has that air of being a great demon to not mess with, but just this more pitiful puppy that is pampered by the creator because of their favored ship. She wants to sell this by making Stolas this poor baby that can't do wrong and is weaker and vulnerable than he looks. It really is sad how a character with so much character is taken down to indulge in an obnoxious romance.
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showtoonzfan · 1 year
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I will never forget the reaction I had when we first learned that Striker was hired by Stella to kill Stolas. It was an idea I never liked, it felt like pure fanfiction only a heavy Stolitz shipper would write to come up with heavy stakes, and it felt like a desperate attempt to demonize Stella so you could instantly side with Stolas from here on out, and forget his own flaws completely.
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Again, Stella COULD have been a character who was a flawed mother, so blinded by her rage of being forced to marry or being cheated on and lost sight of what was important, but you’re clearly not supposed to sympathize with her at all. I really don’t understand how the writing wanted to be complex with a character like Stolas, how he cares about his family but wasn’t happy with his marriage, but then make his wife one note and evilly flat, all because of blatant favoritism and the fear of someone like Stolas actually being in the wrong for once and wrongfully hurting others around him. Stella deserves better writing. She deserves to be just as complex as Stolas, and even if you don’t want her to be sympathetic, that doesn’t mean you can’t write her in an interesting way, because she’s so boringly flat and her motivations are constantly all over the place and make no sense, especially since the show won’t even put the effort in to explore the relationship between her and her daughter Octavia, it’s so funny how this show is obsessed with Stolas’s family drama and yet NEVER bothers to show the point of view of the other family members.
It’s also clear that Stella won’t get any better from here, I think the episode 6 or 12 leak (I forgot which episode) of her and Andrealphus laughing at the fact that Stolas has been trying to call her daughter all month is proof that the writers have no intentions in making her interesting, sympathetic, or complex, and it really sucks guys. It really does. She’s just a tool for cheap drama and for Stolas to suffer because Viv LOVES drama expect when it’s a character actually getting the consequences of their OWN actions, not a Saturday morning cartoon villain, cause that’s all Stella is.
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flowerycoffin · 1 year
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Andre and Stella relationship and why I’m deeply concerned
I know few people already adressed that, but this one really ircs me. Andrealphus and Stellas relationship is not at all sibling/family like and changes almost every frame from bussiness partners to a lawyer and client with very predatory Andre’s behaviour.
1. Bussiness partners/lawyer-client relationship
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(Thank God for giving subtitles this time)
This one is much less concerning and could be coined as Andre caring for his sister so I’ll just briefly mention only most eye-catching things. 
Stella is presented as an idiot who doesn’t know how her own world works and Adrealphus is this “brain of operation” who seem to also wanting something from divorce (always says that “we will gain this” “we will do that” and have overall vibe of expecting something for himself). Still- the relationship presented looks a lot like dump wife wanting a divorce and finding wheeler-dealer lawyer who is done with this affair after five minutes in. Or shows two just-met people who want similar things from rich man (Stolas) and plot to get it from him.
This doesn’t say or hint it’s family at all except one or two dialogs where Andre calls Stella sister and when they start a conversation in the castle. If I didn’t knew they were siblings from Vivz Twitter I’ll never guess they are related.
2. Predatory behaviour 
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We have nice things from the way, now to the real problem which is veeerrryyy questionable manners towards Stella.
For people not knowing what words vixen and minx mean:
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Yeah; hope writters had in mind fierce and bold as meanings. Still doesn’t explain however why Andre gives attractiveness of Stella as something she makes up for being stupid (just ew man).
Also his body language is very flirtatious and reminds me of all the patients who think that just because I’m a girl working in hospital they can touch me how much they want and say how pretty future nurse I am (I’m on paramedic/medical rescue studies and have nothing to do with nursery). He litterally has the same gestures as those +40 freaks with libido problems whenever they see a woman with stetoscope or ECG!
Wanna write more, wanna show how inappropriate Andrealphus-Stella relationship is, but I think that these few words say more than whole essay.
If someone wants to add something or argue that I see this wrongly go on, I’m open for discussions <3 
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grayluforever · 6 months
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Fuck him that lying manipulative pice of sub human shit. I’ve never felt bad for stolas. Not even when he was a child.
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