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doob-or-something · 1 month
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I think that one of my favorite parts of studying the Iliad and the Trojan war is how incredible the world building is. The fact that you can research any of the characters and find their life prior to and (in some cases) after the Trojan War, their families and typically fathers which themselves form parts of different epics (Telamon, Peleus and Laertes all being Argonauts who sailed with Jason for the golden fleece) (Depending on the version Herakles, Orpheus, Theseus and Atalanta could’ve also been there with them), and just how much content there is about each figure in the war that you wouldn’t know just by reading the Iliad.
Why was Paris chosen by the gods to pick which goddess was the most beautiful? He proved to the gods on a previous ocassion in a bull competition he hosted which Ares won that he was a fair and honest judge (I guess he lost that fairness in judgement by the time the goddesses appeared before him)
How did Achilles become such an almost undefeatable warrior? He was the son of an Argonaut and a sea-nymph raised by Hera whom both Poseidon and Zeus wanted to bed, and was trained by mighty Chiron who taught heroes like Orpheus and Herakles.
Why are the walls of Troy “impenetrable”? They were built by Apollo and Poseidon disguised as humans due to a punishment from Zeus.
And this is all known with thousands of lines of the Trojan War’s story being lost to time. Imagine if we had more of the Nostoi or Cypria or Little Iliad, if we still had plays like “Myrmidons” or had a better historical understanding of Mycenaean Greece.
And still, with all this content, the Trojan War is just a section of the greater greek myths. The mythologized greek world existed far before Troy, and it continued to push forward far after.
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sarafangirlart · 7 months
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Medea
I combined medieval Georgian and Ancient Greek together for this design.
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odyssiaca · 2 months
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one must sometimes spare a thought for circe. not the circe found in madeline miller's novel, but the one homer spoke about.
born to a powerful titan in the age of the olympians, a sister to thousands of siblings. yet never important enough to guard helios' cattle, never pretty enough to be married off to a human king of crete. never smart enough to stand beside her father. simply circe. young, unspecial, forgotten circe.
of how she saw kinship form for her siblings, and how strongly they loved. her mother forgotten by her father, simply another nymph, or the man she loved so dearly but who never glanced at her.
the rage that must have filled her veins when glaucus dared to appear before her and beg for a potion to trick a woman into loving him. how she loved him so purely, but was rejected and used. the regret that came when scylla no longer looked like herself, and how even then glaucus did not want her.
never good enough. replacable. easily cast out by her father, banished to an island where she will mother neither sons nor daughters, and constantly be forced to raise the daughters of gods who wanted sons.
will they become her daughters one day? will she go above and beyond to protect them as her own mother did not protect her?
what did she think, i wonder, when her niece appeared before her grasping a sword bearing the blood of her nephew? what could have possibly gone through her head when she saw the insincere look hidden within jason's eyes? i wonder if the gods told her how he scorned medea eventually, the same way glaucus did her.
and then he appears and he is everything she has ever wanted. but day and night he speaks of his wife, even as he lays in the warmth of her arms, in her silken sheets, hidden behind her wooden door held up by the walls of her home.
he sails away and that is that. another chapter. another empty nothingness.
one must spare a thought for the goddess waiting alone on the shores of a forgotten island amidst daughters she did not mother waiting for a destiny she will never find.
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"Father Apollo, I pray to You, all-seeing guardian God, be gracious to me and protect me, watching over my kingdom." - Valerius Flaccus Argonautica 5.244-49
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mytholots · 6 months
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Medea: look Jason, I'm not slut shaming you but...
Medea: Actually yeah, I'm TOTALLY slut shaming you.
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readysetimready · 2 months
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“Mortal characters, as it happens, do not see Hera at all (cf. Il. 1.208). Jason does not know the identity of the old woman he carries over the Anaurus; Hera's agency is mostly hidden from the Argonauts; and it is left to the prophet Phineus to explain that of all the gods the most concerned with Argo's voyage is Hera (2.216-17). At one point the Argonauts do hear her terrifying, aether-shaking cry of warning about Ocean (4.640-42) - an action that recalls the Homeric Hera who gives voice to the natural world: honoring Agamemnon with portentous thunder during his arming scene at Iliad 11.45-46 and granting speech to Achilles' horse Xanthus at 19.407. There is a greater divide between the mortal and divine worlds in Apollonius than there is in Homer, but this division serves to highlight the activity of Hera, who enlists many allies and modes of expression in order to bridge that gulf. As Hunter observes:
“The Argonauts' protecting deity, Hera, works through silent action or suggestion (3.250, 818, 4.11, 1184-5, 1199-1200), through signs (3.931 a talking crow, 4.294 a shooting star, 510 lightning, 640-2 a scream), and through the words and actions of characters. Her only "personal appearances" in the poem are the scene on Olympus which opens Book 3 and her appeal to Thetis in Book 4. 40”
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angelicathedaisy · 1 month
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Ok but can we talk about how absolutely gorgeous Hera (played by Honor Blackman) is in Jason and the argonauts 1962 because she is stunning!
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tylermileslockett · 2 months
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ARGONAUTICA 7: The Island of Ares Book 2 continues with the argonauts rowing to exhaustion and camping upon an island where the god Apollo, with golden curls and silver bow, suddenly stomps past , journeying out to sea. quote they build an altar, sacrifice meat, and danced in celebration of the god. The next day the row out, passing the cave of Hades near the river Acheron, where they moor and are met and entertained in the palace of king Lykos, who tells them that their abandoned comrade, Herakles, passed by previous on his labor to retrieve the girdle of Hippolyte. Here the argonaut prophet Idmon, is gorged and killed by a boar. And 2 others die to illness. They embark out and pass by an island with the recent tomb of Sthenelous, who died while returning from the expedition with Herakles against the Amazons. Persephone, queen of the underworld, sends up Sthenelous’s shade (spirit) so that the argonauts see their compatriot one last time in ghost form. The men moor the ship and pour libations and sacrifice sheep in the dead hero’s honor. Next the crew pass by the cape of the Amazons, descendants of Ares, at the Thermodon River. Eventually they come across the island of Ares, where the Stymphalian birds shoot down sharp feathers like arrows. But the men, with shields held high in defense, come ashore screaming in loud fury, scaring the birds off into the sky. After leaving the island of Ares, they pass the Caucasian mountains where they hear the screams of the titan Prometheus who is doomed to have his regenerating liver eaten out by Zeus’s giant Caucasian eagle, which they spy flying amongst the peaks. Book 2 ends with the crew finally reaching Colchis, the land where the Colchian Dragon guards the golden fleece in Ares’ sacred grove. But before they can attempt such a feat, they must find king Aites for assistance. But will the king help the argonauts, or plot to poison their intentions?
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captainsvscaptains · 10 months
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Battle of the Ships :
Round 1 Part 4 Poll 5
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Description for the Argo : Jason and the argonauts sailed this ship
Propaganda for the Argo : It's like, the og fictional ship. Transported Jason and his bros to get a Golden Fleece and they brought back also Medea who then murdered her and Jason’s kids. Legend
Description for the Antelope : Sloop. From the song's lyrics : "the scummiest vessel I'd ever seen" "a sickening sight" "a list to the port & her sails in rags".
Propaganda for the Antelope : She an iconic mess
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ironspdr6700 · 2 months
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So... I finished to read the Argonautica of Apollonius. Seriously? Seriously anybody is talking here about how, in book 4, Apsyrtus is killed by Jason and Medea.
How he is tricked by her sister into letting his guard down. How Jason slaughters him like a sacrificed bull (Apollonius says it, I'm just the messenger). How Medea averts her gaze because she cannot bear to see the death of her own family and therefore she is not yet the vengeful murderer of Euripides but Apsyrtus's last gesture is to soil Medea's white/shining veil.
How Medea wants to avoid it. How Apollonius needs a single verse to make it clear that she can't… SHE NEVER CAN.
How Jason tears Apsyrtus's body into pieces and LICKS HIS BLOOD THREE TIMES AND THEN SPITS IT OUT. How it is the same thing that Clytemnestra does with Agamemnon's corpse according to Sophocles' Electra.
How Apsirtus is killed in the foyer of a temple of Artemis and this goddess does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING because she is the only Olympian who accepts human sacrifices in mythology (cough… Iphigenia… cough)
THERE REALLY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THIS?!
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Propaganda under the cut.
Jasnah Kholin:
She was a teacher to another protagonist and took a practical approach to the philosophy lesson by baiting some murderers into threatening them and then proceeds to kill them by turning them into fire. She is a brilliant scholar, and a proud athiest in a very religious world. When fighting a war she argues that they shouldn't negotiate with the enemy but that they must all be killed (not just the men but the women and the children). She also becomes queen and one of her first acts is ending slavery.
Medea:
Only helps Jason if he agrees to marry her, so she's a girlboss because she can defend a mean bargain. She's Jason's gf but also she dismembers people <333
Miscellaneous Myths: Medea
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sarafangirlart · 4 months
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Hera and Athena’s relationship is one of the most interesting and underrated in Greek mythology bc multiple sources say different things about their relationship that it could go either way.
In the Iliad and Argonautica they worked together, but with Heracles they worked against each other. According to Hesiod (and many others) Hera became jealous of Zeus when he “gave birth” to Athena, but Imagines (work by Philostratus) she rejoiced as if Athena was her own daughter.
Did they love each other but occasionally worked against each other? Did they hate each other but sometimes work together when their interests align? Is it a mix of both? Their relationship is complicated and that’s why I find it so fascinating.
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boatmediatourney · 3 months
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🌊Sad Soggy Boat Men Tournament🌊
Round 2B, match 3
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propaganda for Stephen Maturin:
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propaganda for Jason:
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image from Wikipedia
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jpechacek · 2 years
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argonautika | apollonios rhodios
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padfoot-lupin77 · 3 months
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My villain origin story is that Hylas and Atalanta are the most underrated argonauts so much that I didn’t know about them until very recently despite being into Greek mythology since I was five years old. Every book went “and all known heroes joined like Heracles and Orpheus and the twins winged sons of Boreas” FUCK the flying kids why did no one tell me about pretty boy Hylas who had the no. 1 Greek hero Heracles crazy over him or absolute badass queen Atalanta who hunted alone and took shit from no one?
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deathlessathanasia · 2 months
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„Soon after this they stepped on to Assyrian territory, where Zeus had settled Sinope, the daughter of Asopos, and had granted her perpetual virginity, after he had been deceived by his own promises. He desired to make love to her, and promised to give her whatever her heart desired; she then cunningly asked that he allow her to remain a virgin. In this same way she also fooled Apollo who wanted to sleep with her and after them also the river Halys.” - Apollonios of Rhodes, Argonautica
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