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i-see-7-cats · 4 months
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i'm not reblogging that poll because i don't want to give op more reach, but man does it show how people on this website haven't changed at all since the heights of "ace discourse". it's the exact same arophobic/aphobic attitudes and rhetoric
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furbearingbrick · 2 years
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discourse-poisoned lgbt+ zoomers after erasing/demonizing huge chunks of their own history, lying about the origins of good-faith identities, and suicide-baiting inclusionists:
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[Image ID: SpongeBob SquarePants and Patrick Star smiling with a ruined, burning city in the background. The caption reads: “We did it, Patrick! We saved gays!” End ID.] 
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mirrorofliterature · 2 years
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explicit social commentary in a study of cracked gold
When writing a study of cracked gold, my primary aim was to tell the story of Percy and Ginny repairing their relationship, and Ginny becoming comfortable with herself. In this, I have Ginny unlearn societal biases and become frustrated at an unjust world. A lot of what Ginny says or learns in this fic are things I personally value or find important. I’m going to be including extracts from a study of cracked gold, along with any relevant comments. 
misogyny
The big theme for Ginny in asocg is unlearning internalised misogyny and gaining a healthy relationship with other women and her own place as a woman.
Here is something I think is quite a pivotal point in the fic: Ginny apologising to Fleur for her past treatment of her. I think including the healing of Ginny and Fleur’s relationship, as a secondary arc, complements the main arc of the fic quite well, and it culminates in this:
“But back then… I think I simply felt jealous, resentful, of anyone who presented in a traditionally feminine way.” Ginny pauses, unclenching her jaw. “Because that was not me, but it was what I was told I should be. So I took my hurt, my frustration, out on you, instead of my mother because it was easier, less complicated.” ... I’m not like other girls. Ginny internally scoffs. What a harmful mantra to cling to. But she doesn’t blame her past self. How can she? It was how she survived.
A lot of popular female characters in the 2000-2010s really did channel this ‘I’m not like other girls’ energy which is incredibly toxic, and that is something I found cathartic deconstructing. Comments:
i love the talks about internalized misogyny its so clear and true and right and comforting,
arophobia
This one is subtle but people did pick it up. If you have been following me for a while, you’ll know that arophobia is something I absolutely abhor.
“I think, after the war, reflecting on it made me more angry because Charlie had come out to me. By implication, it’s like our world thinks that people who don’t experience romantic love are bad. And that’s far from true.”
The whole Voldemort can’t love and that’s why he is evil is incredibly problematic and rarely examined. I think it is wrong, and an incredible disservice to aros, particularly loveless aros. Someone’s ability to love has no baring on their goodness of character. Comments: thanks for writing it! especially for the bit about why not romantically loving does not make you evil Finally: ‘It is enlightening without lecturing’ writing is powerful. and when you have someone who is studying complex societal issues writing, you get social deconstructions like this. it clearly resonates with people, and I’m proud of it.
anyway off to write some oliver pining and introspection!
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echidnana · 2 years
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i know other people have said this much more eloquently than i can, but it’s seriously an issue that people’s response to aromantics is “but you can still feel other love!!!! friendships and family are important too!!!!” because love is not the redeeming human quality. this response very clearly is putting the ability to experience love as something that makes us human, and are trying to say “aromantics are still human even though they don’t feel romantic love!!” which is just. so fucked up? it just feels so much like trying to justify aromantics’ existence as people.
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moonlit-dreamers · 2 months
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i fucking hate the phrase "love is wut makes us human"
actually, wut makes us different from most animals is our ability to cook and to use tools that arent used for food; and other animals r already catching up to the latter
not a single emotion is wut makes us human. We Are Not Special For Feeling Emotions. whos to say animals cant feel love too? wut if dogs and cats can love their owners? or is that impossible just bc theyre animals? animals have shown compassion, selflessness, loyalty, fear and so much more. animals can have similar reactions to trauma the same way we do. birds can speak and many other animals can understand words. many animals can walk on two legs. many things we have learnt have come from animals (we learned how to build planes by studying how birds fly and their wings)
WE R NOT SPECIAL FOR FEELING EMOTIONS
and its especially alienating for ppl who have limited/dulled emotions. many disorders can limit how u experience emotions; often times making specific emotions very difficult/rare to experience (i have difficulty caring about ppl. theres just a numb feeling where ig it would be. i show some form of care/affection towards ppl but i dont feel it how many others seem to do)
also wut about alter/nonhumans who do feel love? does that suddenly put them in the box of human?
again its just. bullshit to define the entire experience of being human as one single emotion. being human is such a complex and complicated thing. EXISTING is such a complex and complicated thing. to describe it in such a specific and singular way is just. foolish.
so shout out to my loveless ppl. ppl who r loveless bc of trauma. ppl who r loveless bc of other disorders. ppl who r loveless and tired of hearing this god damned phrase. ppl who r loveless who r told that it "makes no sense" and "everyone feels love". shout out to ppl who r loveless and have been alienated and dehumanized bc of it. and shout out to the ppl who arent human and still experience love.
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aromantic-diaries · 10 months
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Yesterday I got an anon accusing me of having a victim complex or whatever and like. Here's the thing. I don't feel oppressed as an asexual. At all. It's been a pretty neutral experience for me for the most part. The worst I got was occasionally finding acephobic stuff online or feeling uncomfortable in the changing room when my classmates were talking about sex. That's it.
But that's just me. That's my own personal experience and just because I was lucky enough to not be fucking traumatized in any way as a direct result of being ace I'm not gonna fall into the biased "asexuals aren't oppressed" rhetoric.
(also there's a pretty good chance that the reason I haven't experienced any acephobia in person is simply because I don't talk about being asexual and it's something I'm pretty private about)
So there's my fucking victim complex for you all
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lilac-vode · 9 months
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hey! this is a long shot but seeing as i have some ppl following here, i wanted to ask if anyone at all has links to mental health resources that could be helpful for repulsed aroace ppl constantly struggling with feelings of alienation. or like, any mental health resources at all geared toward aroace ppl!! there is just. not that much out there for us and i don't have a place to start trying to make my brain less miserable. i would appreciate so much if anyone is familiar with stuff like this that they could share
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yallwildinrn · 3 months
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It genuinely really sucks when I see so many people frothing at the mouth to admit being aro isn’t a real queer identity. Esp as someone who is both a lesbian AND aro.
I’ll agree, I face more discrimination as a lesbian. However, the lgbt community isn’t defined by our suffering and pain. It should be defined through queer joy and solidarity in the face of a society that refuses to accept us and making that society accept us!
I don’t want my queerness to only be valid when it’s bc of pain. And even then, being aro WOULD be valid. Because you wanna know what fucking sucks? Knowing I can’t reciprocate feelings. Knowing I’ll be called a heartless masc, awful like the rest of em, by women who will ignore that I won’t fall for them. Knowing I’ll probably be pushed to the back burner in relationships bc of you aren’t dating or married, you’re not a priority. Knowing my options and wants are limited bc a lot of lesbians want a cute, sweet romance - and I can never give them that, and they will never ever want me.
Yeah. No one’s gonna try to kill me for that - and I’m grateful! But shit, it separates me from so many damn people and relationships and options in ways being a lesbian doesn’t always. And again. I don’t want my queerness to only be valid by how many people want to fucking kill me. No offense, I’m not centering my identity on pain. I want to find the joy in it.
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On hanahaki..
as an aro who both reads hanahaki and enjoys it, and also experiences romantic attraction, i feel like hanahaki is often times…. not discussed in aro circles the same way it traditionally exists in fiction circles
hanahaki, in nearly every representation, is a physical manifestation of a crush. it is intentionally used as a metaphor for the feelings that you can get with romantic attraction:
choking on your words, feeling out of breath/like its hard to breathe, something in your stomach, how you can love people so much it hurts (even when it is reciprocated or you genuinely dont want it to be reciprocated). it sometimes sucks a lot and it hurts and it makes your chest tight and it can ache in a way i only see in angst, which is why hanahaki exists. its a form of catharsis for people who experience love like that.
i also think that a lot of the time i see aros talking about how the tragedy is that its unrequited but as far as ive seen, the point has been the refusal to communicate. the fact that the individual perceives it as unrequited so they start pulling away and isolating and that the only thing they need to do to cure it is *confess* but they are unwilling to because for some reason, unrequited or not, they think confessing will mess up the relationship they have with that person. usually the angst comes from “i love you and i think you do not feel the same but i want to keep you in my life exactly as we are so i will say nothing” instead of openly communicating that desire to keep the person in their life, platonic or otherwise.
i almost never see the “if you do not love me back i will die” thing, except if that is being used as the cause of a refusal to communicate- and i nearly always see communication being the cure. i know a lot of folks dont like love confessions if they are aro, but i dont see fault in honesty, as long as it doesnt come with expectations.
and im not saying its not amatonormative, but ive seen it done well, and its just supposed to provide catharsis for an experience you might not have, and thats okay. the point of this post is that i have never seen the presentation of the concept of hanahaki everyone is talking about. ive never seen what you are seeing- and i am actively seeking out hanahaki content regularly.
i just figured id put in my piece, because i have always been confused by the aro treatment of this trope, because i have never seen whats being said represented. I’m sure it exists or used to be more prevalent, but I dont see that ever now. maybe im just better at searching, but i wanted to talk about it.
#i think disliking hanahaki is fair#but i think that aros dont read enough hanahaki because i literally never see the theoretical fic theyre always talking about#im going to say the alternate treatment can be done VERY badly though#ive always seen hanahaki treated with a confession#and having the alternative be a surgery to remove the flowers#usually the surgery is risky and may not work#and it always has one of 3/4 side effects#this is where the arophobia tends to come in when ive seen it#almost always (at this point- this was not always true) i see the side effect being that you forget all memories of that person#and that most of the time people go against this option because they love their friend enough that they dont want to lose all of that#but ive also seen the ‘you can never love this person again’ (rare) which is always an interesting take#but usually if feelings are involved it is either ‘you will never love again’ or ‘you will stop having feelings’ which is really YIKES#that one is becoming more and more rare now though#recently an insurgence of ‘nothing will happen except you wont love them anymore for now’ has been coming up and gaining popularity#this is really interesting and one im excited to watch emerge because usually then the reasoning has to fall down to:#‘i enjoy loving this person’ or the normal risks of surgery#and discussing the risk that the feelings might just come back and the confession option may be the more permanent solution#i cant wait to see where this one goes#but yeah uhhhh i dont see a lot of arophobic hanahaki anymore#sometimes. but its dying out of favor. people usually opt for the other options on how to write it now#i dont know if thats just because the new generation is more accepting or what but. yeah#almost always the option is -communicate -lose memories of them or -stop loving them at this point#which is a really interesting shift tbh#anyways thats all#sorry for the ramble!#rambles#see yall later!#hope you found this interesting#thats all#they speak
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kindly-gourd · 2 years
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I think the worst I’ve been hurt as an aroace-spec person was when my friend who is also queer asked why we need the term allo(sexual)(romantic) because that’s just “normal”
the aro/ace-phobia within the queer community is unfortunately very prevalent, intentional or not
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coffinliqueur · 2 years
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So.
I’m not loveless, myself - when I personally describe myself as aro, I’m perfectly comfortable with saying “but I really love my friends, and my pets! And I feel like love defines me in ways even apart from that - I really really love writing, and painting, and language, and nature, and fashion and beauty, and so many other things!”
But I still feel like it’s... kind of dickish to try to “counter” people describing themselves as loveless aro or otherwise trying to say that love shouldn’t be treated as what makes humans human/what makes life worthwhile by saying “but what about your passions! What about your friends and family! Love is the point to everything!”
Consider, one, that maybe loveless aro people don’t like having to go out of their way to humanize themselves by actively acknowledging that semantic distinction and validating themselves by explaining that “I still experience some kinds of love!” and that, two... a person who, say, isn’t very sociable and doesn’t really make friends or feel like they have to to the point where they might also ID as aplatonic (but also doesn’t have any ill will towards anyone else), and maybe even isn’t sure what kinds of things they feel a particular burn of passion over to the point where they also won’t necessarily say they love any thing but feels happy by just... sort of keeping to themselves and vibing and being at peace with themselves in themselves... is, uh. Still a totally fuckin’ valid person.
And again, I’m not loveless aro myself - loveless aro people, feel absolutely free to weigh in if I’ve said something wrongly or unfairly or misunderstandingly.
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rjalker · 2 years
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You people really just need to admit you hate aromantic people already.
There are literally infinite numbers of other fictional characters you could be shipping, but no, you just have to ship Murderbot, and you just have to pretend like there's no fucking evidence from canon to show that it's aromantic because you're just fucking refusing to interact with media in any other way besides shipping.
Stop fucking acting like Murderbot isn't aromantic just because the books never say the exact word "aromantic" or fucking "aroace".
Just fucking admit you hate aro people already. I swear to god.
Martha Wells didn't fucking say the Raksura were all aro, or that Moon was aro, and she didn't say Tremaine was demiromantic, but that sure as shit doesn't mean these characters are alloromantic.
Just because the word aromantic isn't fucking specifically used does not mean you get to pretend like Murderbot's not aro.
You just want to pretend there's "no evidence" for Murderbot's very blatant aromanticism because you're a fucking idiot who refuses to interact with media without finding something to fucking ship. Even if the books explicitly had Murderbot say "I am aromantic" you fuckign arophobes would still find an excuse to pretend not to notice so you could ship it with people.
"there's no evidence for Murderbot being aromantic" motherfuck it was viscerally repulsed and horrified by the idea of it being in a relationship with someone, you're really pretending to be that fucking stupid? You're really pretending like you don't know that that means it's horrified by the prospect of being in a romantic relationship? Fucking really?
Just fucking admit you hate aromantic people and are too fucking stupid and lazy and bigoted to interact with stories if they don't involve romance for you to ship.
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mirrorofliterature · 2 years
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amatonormativity is one of the most harmful forces in society, actually.
it’s incredibly structural, and invisible, and if you don’t live outside striving for the monogamous ideals, it can be incredibly normalised to a very toxic extent
amatonormativity:
- contributes to abuse (people staying in relationships because they are manipulated into thinking that some romantic relationship is better than none)
- high divorce rates
- unhappy marriages
- unhappy relationships
- inability to live alone
- devaluing of friendship
- is underpinned and underpins ableism (disabled people’s humanity is often judged on their capacity for sex and love, particularly romantic)
idk, maybe we should take this seriously? all a lot of freedom movements - particularly feminism - are striving for are giving people choice on what to do with their lives.
amatonormativity is the societal norm. it is real, it is not good for anyone. relationship anarchy is cool.
anyway.
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arotechno · 4 months
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i live with two friends who will soon be married, and the three of us intend to eventually buy a house together. when i discussed this with her, my mother said to me, "are they ever going to want their own place?"
and it's a fair question, right? the "normal" thing for a married couple to do is to establish a nuclear family unit, apart from other family and friends. and her instinct is to look out for me, and make sure i am not walking into financial agreements that are untenable.
but that's the tendency allo people, particularly cishet people, have: their first thought is always, aren't they going to get rid of you? won't they leave you? won't everyone?
and they don't see the hurt it causes. because it's what they'd do, so what?
that's the subtle manifestation of arophobia. if your worth is defined by your romantic prospects, then you're worthless on your own. someone else will always come first, surely. you're lacking in some universal truth, and everyone can see it. marriage is forever and divorce equals failure and friendship, well, it isn’t something you ought to negotiate.
and why wouldn't we have talked about it?
it's times like these when i cling to the phrase (subject to change). there is no permanent state of the self, no guarantees that life will go one way or another, no use in striving for permanence in a world that's constantly changing faster and faster every day. i won't make myself smaller, couch-surf through people's lives living out of an emotional suitcase, just because they may leave me one day. and why should i? forever is (subject to change).
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dosie-dosie · 6 months
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Cool Aro and/or Ace Spec Resources + Other Stuff!!
This list is for ALL people regardless of your identity. This blog is a safe space for all types of aro and/or ace spec people. Hate will NOT be tolerated. Questions are okay! :)
Also! I can't fit all the cool things I found on this list, so I'll make another one in the future! :)
Cool things!
Are You on the Aromantic Spectrum (quiz)?
Are You on the Asexual Spectrum (quiz)?
Aro Ace Character Database
Aro Arrows
Aro-Owned Businesses
Aro-Recommended
Asexual Pride Friendship Bracelet Tutorial
Attraction Layer Cake
Books With Asexual Main Characters
Canon Aroace Characters
Canon Aro and Ace Characters
Crochet Pride Turtle Modification Guide
Free Asexual Bee Crochet Pattern
Free Asexual Flag Cross Stitch Pattern Ace of Spades
Free/Online Aromantic & Asexual Fiction
LGBTQ+ Flags in Minecraft - Banner Tutorial
Pride Patch Tutorials
Learning and Resources!
7 Tips For Coming Out As Ace
Ace/Aro Mythbusting
Ace & Aro Spectrum Definitions
Advice on Coming Out As Aromantic
A Guide to Allo Aro Inclusion in A-Spec Communities
Am I Demisexual If...
Aromantic Info Carrd
Aromantic Spectrum Wiki Stub
Asexual Advice Tumblr
Asexual Affirmations: Things That Don't Make You Any Less Ace
Asexuality and Disability
Asexual Spectrum Wiki Stub
Ask An Aromantic Tumblr
Bi-Oriented Aroace Carrd
List of A-Spec Identities & Info
Myths About Demisexuals
Oriented and Angled Aroace Carrd
Split Attraction Model
Types of Tertiary Attraction
What Is Graysexuality?
Why I’m Founding Disabled Ace Day
Queering The Narrative: Tropes to Avoid When Writing Asexual Characters (intended for allosexuals, not asexual authors)
People's Stories!
An Interview About Allosexual Aromantics
Aro/Ace Confessions Tumblr
Aromantic Coming Out Stories
Asexual Authors Discuss Why They Write and Their Experiences
Asexual Coming Out Stories
Asexual Disabled People Exist, But Don’t Make Assumptions About Us
Asexuality Exists Tumblr
Existing and Defying Stereotypes As An A-Spec Disabled Person
Gray-Romantic, Grieving, and Dealing with More Internalized Amatonormativity than I Thought (tw: internalized arophobia, abuse)
How Asexual and Aromantic People Observe a Day Dedicated to Love
If You Can See the Invisible Elephant, Please Describe It
I'm Aromantic and Asexual - And I Love Valentine's Day
Is It Possible For Me To Be Lesbian and Aroace at the Same Time?
I’ve Realized I’m Asexual but Have Internalised Aphobia, So What Now? (tw: internalized acephobia)
Lesbian Ace and Aro Perspectives
‘Not Broken’: The Struggles of Being an Aromantic Allosexual
Three People Who Identify as Asexual and Aromantic Explain What V Day Is Like For Them
What Is It Like Being Allo Aro?
Communities!
Reddit
r/aaaaaaaarrrrro (memes)
r/aaaaaaacccccccce (memes)
r/aaaaaaaspeccccccc (memes)
r/aaabatterycult
r/aaapeople
r/aaarrroooaaaccceee
r/aarrrooooooaaacceeeee (memes)
r/aceandaroart (art)
r/acearoautistics
r/aceconfessions
r/acefood (food)
r/ace_arosover30
r/acesoftwaregeeks (programming)
r/aceteens
r/aegoromantic
r/aegosexuals
r/agenderaroace
r/allo_ace
r/amiace (ask)
r/angledaroace
r/animace (anime/manga)
r/apothiromantic
r/apothisexual
r/arcsexual
r/aroace
r/aroaceadults
r/aroacebooks (books)
r/aroacechristianity (christianity)
r/aroacecommunity
r/aroacenby
r/aroaceflux
r/aroaceindia (india)
r/aroacememes (memes)
r/aroacepoly
r/aroaceteens
r/aroallo
r/aroandacelife
r/aromantic
r/aromanticasexual
r/aromanticcirclejerk (satire)
r/asexual
r/asexualcirclejerk (satire)
r/asexualdating (dating)
r/asexualgamers (gaming)
r/asexualgaymen
r/asexualindians (india)
r/asexuality
r/asexuals_lesbians
r/asexualmen
r/asexuals_in_love
r/asexualteens
r/askallosexual (ask)
r/askaroace (ask)
r/askasexual (ask)
r/biorientedaroace
r/biroace
r/biromanticasexual
r/cupioromantic
r/cupiosexual
r/dateademi (dating)
r/demiromantic
r/demisexuality
r/faceoface (photos)
r/fictoromantic
r/fictosexual
r/fraysexual
r/graysexual
r/greyromantic
r/greysexuality
r/heteroromanticasexual
r/lithromanitc
r/lithrosexual
r/mildly_ace (photos)
r/myrsesexual
r/orientedaroace
r/panromanticasexuality
r/placiosexualityu
r/sexfavorableace
r/sexrepulsed
r/taskforcealphaalpha
r/traaaaaaarrrrrrro (memes)
r/transasexuals
r/tripleabattery
r/quiromantic
r/quiosexual
Forums
Arocalypse
The Asexuality Visibility and Education Network
Demi Grace
Organizations
Ace & Aros
The Ace and Aro Advocacy Project
Ace Week
Aromantic Spectrum Awareness Week
Asexuality Archive
Asexual Outreach
The Association for Asexuals in Denmark
AUREA
Resources For Ace Survivors
Discord (I don’t used discord so I haven’t verified if these are any good, but I choose the most popular ones)
Ace Homies
Ace Planet
Acing the Arrows
The Aro & Ace Café
Bows & Aros
For Creatives (Artists, Writers, etc.)
Aromantic Writing Month
Carnival of Aces
Carnival of Aros
Arospec Poetry Network
Aro Worlds
Videos
Asexuality 101 (playlist) (Haven't watch all the vids yet, but the ones I've seen seem pretty good)
Ways to Show Your Aro and Ace Pride
Tumblrs
(If I should remove any of these, let me know)
Acespec-Ed
ActuallySafe-For-Aro
Aro Humor
Asexual-Society
Asexual Spectrum Spector
AVENPT (Asexual Visibility and Education Network Project Team)
Fuck Yeah Asexual
Growing Up Aro
Perks of Being Ace
The Humorous Ace
Your Fav Is Aromantic
Inclusive Picrews
Heart Hold Character
Legitimate ID Maker
Little Guy Maker
Opossum Party
PotatoLord’s Persona Creator
Prideful Cats
Pride Icon Maker
Wervty’s Obscured Icon Maker
If you have any other cool aro and/or ace things you’d like to share, please let me know and I’ll add it to the list! :) Also, if there's anything I should remove, let me know (and please tell me the reason why)!
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transvarmint · 1 month
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Oh look. Someone finally admitting that they think both transandrophobia and ace/arophobia are made up, for similar reasons.
Just further evidence that this recent wave against transmascs discussing our issues is just the latest exclusionism movement.
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