#but it doesn’t excuse his actions

[ocdhuacheng]

Knives Stans do know u can like a villain character without excusing their actions right?

#.txt #trigun #I don’t know how you can read/watch trigun and agree with what knives is doing #I know where he’s COMING FROM like I get why he’s like this and I don’t blame him for it #but it doesn’t excuse his actions #he hurts the plants too the ones that he proclaims that he’s saving #he cut vash’s arm off forced him to nuke a city and the fucking MOON #assaulted him multiple times sent his minions out to make his life hell #and if you’re going tristamp there was that. weird fucking. breeding thing. that he forced vash and the other plants into #he has his sisters dead corpses in his room like ??? #how can you agree with what he’s doing #I don’t get how you can make this all vash’s fault #even if you don’t care about humanity. which. boooo you missed so many points. booooooo #vash’s cooing mechanisms are just as unhealthy as knives’ but like. be so fucking for real right now #*coping #like. if you agree with knives you’ve missed the point of the series #the fact that you can’t see his disregard for vash’s autonomy and the plants even tho he claims to love them is. concerning #media literacy really is dead #‘kill all those corrupt humans’ yeah uh he’s doing a lot more than that where have you BEEN #like he’s straight up ecofascism #saying knives is right in all seriousness is like. do you not see what he’s doing #so you think his black and white world thinking is right? cringe

[localtelephonebooth]

Thoughts on Kieran’s relationship with Ogerpon as a previously obsessive teenager:

(I did not proof read this. I just woke up, had the urge, and now it’s here.)

Kieran, to me, is a very relatable character. He is a shy, and quiet teenager in a small town. He lacks friendships and possibly meaningful connections with those who do spend time with him. He’s probably isolated due to the fact that he lacks a phone. Any friends he does make are likely school based only. So, Kieran latches on to anything he can to feel less alone in life. And of course he latches onto Ogerpon. Ogerpon is just like him. A sad “monster” all isolated and alone in the mountains. I’m certain that Kieran has fantasized about meeting Ogerpon and getting into wild adventures with her. I did the same thing with characters I enjoyed.

Princess Luna, for example (sorry to whiplash anyone with that), was a character I heavily related to. She was alone and isolated due to her previous actions. She struggled with fitting in and having a healthy relationship with her sister for awhile. To say I didn’t form an obsession with a character who understood my feelings would be a lie. I think Kieran is the same.

He became obsessed with Ogerpon. He become obsessed with the ideas he crafted of him and Ogerpon. In a way, that fantasy was VERY real to him. So when we come around and lie about meeting Ogerpon, and inevitably become friends with her behind his back, of course he freaks out! We stole his fantasy of him and Ogerpon! And that’s the key point here that people tend to not realize. We didn’t steal Ogerpon from Kieran, we just stole his fantasy and made it our reality.

With my obsession with princess Luna (again, whiplash), if anyone said they loved princess Luna it was a fucking attack on me. Princess Luna was my best friend, and she could only love me! Everyone else was just a jealous thief.

As an adult looking back on this mindset, it’s horribly embarrassing. It’s a mindset I carried into my real life, when I actually started making friends, that ruined so much for me. I lost friends because I was so angry that my fantasies were not reciprocated. I really do think Kieran does the same. He grows sad and frustrated over what happened with Ogerpon. His fantasy is just a fantasy, and that’s fucking with him. So naturally, he finds a new fantasy to, hopefully in his mind, make a reality. And so he chose battling and winning against you. The thing we used to “steal” Ogerpon away from him (Even though Kieran technically suggested battling for Ogerpon, I don’t doubt he used it to rationalize why she didn’t want to come with him). To him, being the best battler will solve everything. Kieran will get his revenge, he’ll finally be recognized, everyone can’t lie to him because they fear or admire him, and he’ll prove to Ogerpon he was the right choice.

.

Now, I want to say something about Kieran. A detail that, for whatever reason, people don’t like to acknowledge: He’s just a kid.

I’m not saying “He’s a widdle baby. He can do no harm!” No, Kieran’s an asshole. He became a bully. I can have empathy for his emotions, but not excuse his actions. He’s a dumb and entitled teenager with issues. And, quite obviously, he doesn’t really have a way to deal with his issues in a healthy manner (seriously, his school is based solely on battling. Anyone who’s going or gone to a specialized school can understand how toxic people can get in that type of environment. And don’t even get me started on the incompetence of the adults in Kieran’s school).

Kieran is a teenage boy growing up right now. He’s got a lot to work through, and a lot of people he’s gotta confront about his behavior. He was an asshole, a bully, and genuinely a bad person for minute. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t growing past that. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve recognition for his growth. You can recognize someone has changed and not forgive them.

Kieran is a really intriguing character and holds a valuable lesson in obsession. And I really wish people would recognize that he’s not just an irredeemable prick or an innocent little guy. He’s a kid learning. He’s going to make really stupid and bad mistakes. Just like how I, and probably you reading this, did.

Anyways, hopefully we see him interact with the Area Zero buddies. I think those three have amazing lessons that Kieran can learn from. Maybe Kieran can teach them a few things too!

#pokemon #pokemon scarlet and violet #the teal mask #the indigo disk #pokémon #pokemon kieran #kieran #ogerpon #hey thanks for reading my rambles! #I’m really hoping with the epilogue that gamefreak doesn’t use the peach to excuse his actions #but I think the peach only enhances negative emotions that were already there #idk we’ll have to see! #hopefully the writing isn’t too incoherent

[fujii-draws]

OKAY! Chatot rant in tags below! Read at your own discretion.

#okay starting from the beginning of where ppl usually dislike him. apple woods chapter. #he doesn’t give hero/partner the CHANCE to explain themselves despite them being relatively good recruits up until that point. #and that legit might be my only gripe with that chapter bc!!! stories need conflict! I LIKE the conflict in apple woods!!! #hero and partner being punished so something they didn’t do! #the misunderstanding! how team skull (Skuntank) actually outplays the main duo with a clever yet rotten trick. I LOVE that it segways into- #one of the more sweeter scenes of guild members looking out for eachother. I LIKE APPLE WOODS CONFLICT. #but chatot just. not giving them a chance. is so dumb. #I’d personally fix this by having a lil montage of hero/partner fucking up on jobs. A LOT. and chatot giving them a pass every time. #and let the perfect apple incident BE the one where he puts his foot down and doesn’t listen to them. bc he’d given them loads of chances. #and doesn’t want to hear any excuse. #but yeah. I legit dont mind him during that chapter except for that really stupid and frustrating moment. #NOW. CHAPTER 17. #UGGGGHHH WHERE DO I BEGIN #Him not believing hero and Partner about Grovyle and the future being in ruin? FINE. ACTUALLY GOOD. BC CHATOT WOULD BE SKEPTIC. #IT FITS HIS CHARACTER!! #BUT WHAT DOES SUCK. IS HIM GOING ‘Dusknoir isn’t the bad guy. he didn’t do anything wrong’ #WHEN HE LITERALLY KIDNAPPED HERO AND PARTNER RIGHT I N F R O N T OF HIM. #(​NO LITERALLY. HIS CHARACTER IS IN THE FRONT ROW WHEN IT HAPPENED.) #and him. having the GALL to tell hero and partner they must’ve been ‘seeing things’ and downplaying the HELL they went through. #despite them being missing for hours/days. his own guild recruits. and his angry sprite showing up. #like. I think that’s when I genuinely despised him. #that and him going ‘OH I BELIEVED YOU THE WHOLE TIME HEEHOO :)’ shit was so fucking annoying. #just playing it off as a joke the second the guild started to believe hero and partner. #IMAGINE IF HE W A S ACTUALLY TESTING THE GUILD’S TRUST. SHOWCASING HIM AS THE MORE RESPONSIBLE AND RESPECTFUL RIGHT HAND OF THE GUILD. #and yes. Brine cave he saves hero and partner. but at that point I just didn’t care anymore. #he fucked those two over so much. that I didn’t care what ‘valiant’ sacrifice he had. #and he grills Team Skull for what they did OFF SCREEN. they couldn’t even give us THAT. #<<< THAT or him outright saying sorry would’ve been nice. IKIK his ‘actions’ or whatever but. #eughh again this is all imo. I’m not trying to make people hate him or change their mind. #I’ll get into positives in the second post cause I’m running out of tags

[mal3vol3nt]

something i never thought i’d see is the yr fandom deciding that august is now a good person. y’know, the same man who recorded and uploaded a non-consentual sex tape…. of two underaged boys…. as revenge…. on his 16 year old cousin….

#is he complex and interesting and extremely well written? yes 100% #but his trauma isn’t an excuse or justification??? #like i’m sorry but your trauma is not a good enough reason to be a sex offender #is it likely the reason? yes but that doesn’t mean you’re excused and your actions don’t deserve consequences #you can be sympathetic to his experiences without labeling him a good person #it’s called being nuanced #young royals #august horn #yr s3 spoilers #wilmon #prince wilhelm #simon eriksson

[rowan-guerrins]

people on tiktok well on all social media sites actually will loudly critique the fact some people (especially those who only watched the movies) “didn’t get the point of the hunger games” and then turn around and say gale is the worst person in the universe and treat him like he’s a monster, and that all these traits are innate characteristics completely isolated from the circumstances in which he lived and the people around him. like girlie i think maybe YOU didn’t get the point here either.

#obviously this isn’t to say you need to or were “supposed to” like gale #there are a lot of good reasons to criticize him. esp wrt his sense of entitlement to katniss. #but he’s not supposed to be a Villain™️ #like he’s a poor traumatized (brown coded) boy whose very valid anger was used to groom him into a perfect soldier. #kind of almost like it’s a critique on the militarization of young boys. esp those who are underprivileged. #which doesn’t excuse his actions & it doesn’t mean you have to like him #but it’s enraging when people act like he is a heartless monster who is unredeemable or whatever. like. oh that’s not…. #bonus points if they babygirlify cato and clove (and marvel and glimmer) and cry about how they’re just kids #+ “they were only the way they are bc of the capitol 🥺”. #like yes it’s a big point that they were kids groomed to be child soldiers because the capitol pressured and “rewarded” career districts #to churn out child soldiers and whatnot. but that. ok. #truly just how do you hold the belief that to an extent excuses them or at least makes them sympathetic— #—but then not extend that empathy to gale. side eye. #esp bc a lot of the stuff is taking potshots at gale to uplift peeta/everlark. #like. uh! okay! #obligatory disclaimer i don’t actually like gale. however i am at my limit on weird and bad and inconsistent takes on him. #yeah he sucks. almost like that’s because he was horrifically oppressed by the captiol + then was groomed to be the ideal soldier by coin. #crazy how that’s the point. #and AGAIN. doesn’t EXCUSE what he does. but it’s important to acknowledge bc it v much contextualizes who and what he is and does. #the hunger games #gale hawthorne #i don’t think i need to tag this in the anti tag but lmk

[quietwingsinthesky]

im just saying that a guy whose worldview is inflexibly based on the idea that the only two groups of people in the universe are the controlled and the ones who have the power to control them, and that there is no other way to exist, and who has done everything in his power to make sure he’s always in the latter group. i’m just saying that it’s possible this is not unrelated to. that time when he was used as a child by rassilon himself. its possible.

#and i want to be even more clear that this is not me trying to woobify him. you would know if it was because i would be much more annoying #about it. im not trying to lay this out as ‘the drums mean that the master’s actions are excusable actually. all those times he killed So #Many People was fine because he was hurt as a kid.’ #im trying to point out like. now that this is canon. now that this is a part of him. that it is foundational to why he would build up that #worldview at all. yeah? #i keep coming back to the powerlessness of that moment. of the drums. he can’t *do* anything about it. #but he *can* be the master and never be one of the weak people in the universe who ‘allow’ themselves to be controlled #he knows he’s being used in EoT and still expects the time lords to take him with them. because he’s on their side isn’t he? he gets to #ascend too doesn’t he? he gets to be as powerful as they do right? #but. that’s not what’s happening here. it’s what he’s built up in his head but the minute rassilon hits him with the truth. that they have #abused and used him and will now destroy him. just. augh. #a whole world under his heel and its not enough. it will never be enough. he has separated the universe into two parts and neglected to #realize that just because he can put himself in control of some of it doesn’t mean there aren’t other people who have a hand around his #throat still. and it drives me insane #the master #doctor who

[agoddamnrayofsunshine]

I have such qualms with the idea of pit madness that is super popular in most fics because like…obviously is completely veers away from anything even remotely canon from the comics, and it’s usually used only in reference to Jason as a way to quickly resolve the issue of his violent actions instead of actually addressing them.

But also I think that, if you’re going to use it as a plot device, it’s being severely under-utilised. Like, I think that taking the idea of pit madness to its logical extreme and applying it to all characters that have used a Lazarus pit would make for an incredibly interesting story. It has a lot of potential as a trope, considering that the general idea boils down to ‘imagine if mind control specifically targeted your strongest emotions (especially anger) and forced you to act on them’ and I think that more authors who are going to use it need to lean into it instead of using it as a throwaway explanation for Jason’s actions.

Utilising a highly popular fanon trope in your fic is fine, but I think that if you’re going to use it we need to stop ignoring what it could potentially offer for a story.

#I also think that it would reduce the issue of people #using pit madness as an excuse for jasons actions #if we were to focus more on the different ways in which this trope can be interpreted #or how it can be used within a story #why are all my authors ignoring this opportunity to experiment with this idea #do something fun with it #also I do acknowledge that most of the people who use pit madness in their fics likely don’t even know that it’s a fanon creation #I think a lot of people see it’s popularity and assume that there is comic evidence for it #and don’t have enough knowledge about comics to be aware that there isn’t #pit madness alone doesn’t annoy me as a trope #the fact that it’s primarily used as a quick fix-it does though #I mean jasons actions towards tim kind of get glossed over a lot #in order to reunite jason and his family #I think pit madness is just a way of justifying that #batman #batfam #dc #jason todd #tim drake #dick grayson #bruce wayne #red hood #under the red hood #batfamily #dcu

[ghosts-r-real-i-swear]

Me when I invalidate SA Victims and then proceed to ignore any evidence that the character I like was a bad person. Snape is morally grey, he’s not supposed to be perfect but at least snape stans can admit wrongdoing.

#anti marauders #snapedom #severus snape #I’m so done with Marauders fans who think fanfics are cannon #sorry James is not a uwu himbo jock like I wish he was #he’s that privileged jock who bullies poor students #and then gets his actions excused because of privilege #just say you like Bullies and go. #stop invalidating other SA victims to get your way #btw the person in the images was like “I WAS PANTSED AND SA’D PANTSING IS NOT SA #just because you are an SA victim doesn’t mean that you can’t invalidate others experiences #and it doesn’t make you right because you’re an SA victim it makes you one of those asshole SA victims who use their experiences #against others #sorry that was so long

[m4ndysk4nkovich]

it lowkey makes me uncomfortable how cool you all are with sandy’s treatment of prince

#i get we don’t know the full situation #and it seems like it was shitty for sandy #but it isn’t yevgeny and mickey #people seem to think it is but it isn’t #mickey feeling cold towards a literal baby versus sandy voicing her distaste of her like- 7 year old kid to his face is different #some of y’all who defend certain characters are much too comfortable defending their cynical actions #like y’all will defend child abandonment- grooming- physical abuse (of children and of partners)- misogyny- rape etc #before anyone sees this (specifically THOSE people that always come in my inbox) i get the debbie and matty situation. stop reminding me. #like i’ve talked about it over ten times #but anyways #child abandonment isn’t cute and just because sandy has excuses doesn’t make them valid #maybe i’m biased because i get having abandonment issues like debbie but idk #shameless #sandy milkovich #prince shameless #debbie gallagher #sebbie #11x07

[aemiron-main]

thinking about Henry seeing death as the only way to escape from the lab because of soteria and how he talks about how even if he escaped, brenner would track him down.

Me when in s5 we get the Henry suicide attempt flashback where he tries to kill himself (likely with with his powers which is what results in him getting soteria) and it explains why he’s targeting suicidal people and acts like he’s “saving” them by supposedly giving them what they want and when we learn that he wanted to escape/kill himself but brenner didn’t let him which would be a DIRECT parallel to Victor trying to kill himself in the prison and “join” his family (Henry talking about his suicidal victims ‘joining’ him) but Hatch stopping him (victor talks about how hatch dropped the bleeding and didn’t let him join his family/die).

He refers to the lab as a prison and himself as a prisoner during that same conversation about how he can’t escape because of his soteria- which backs up the idea of a victor parallel even MORE because Victor was literally in prison.

#stranger things #byler #st analysis #st5 #st5 analysis #Henry creel analysis #I’m not saying that Henry’s murders of suicidal people is Right I’m saying that He Thinks it’s right because unfortunately he’s been raised #in some horrible circumstances. Doesn’t Excuse his actions but adds depth to the tragedy of it all #st hawkins lab

[katelynsimpsince2016]

nearing the end of my bpd katelyn post and i’m slowly realising the mys cast are like kind of (at least partially) responsible for katelyn’s violent outbursts. like,, what did you think was gonna happen after you forced her to be around someone she was clearly uncomfortable with?? especially the episode where lucinda literally teleports travis right next to katelyn and basically sends him to chase after her. it’s insane how it was played off as joke

#not excusing katelyn’s actions but after being taunted constantly by ur mates it’s not a shocker she lashes out #everyone calls her dramatic and it’s like?? #if ​she’s uncomfortable around Travis doesn’t matter if he isn’t being malicious just keep them away from each other #HOW HARD IS THAT #travis is also kind of a victim here too cuz hes literally being forced in the same room with his abuser but all his friends #aphblr #aphmau #mystreet #abuse tw #tw abuse #aphverse #katelyn the fire fist #travis valkrum #travlyn

[handfulofmuses]

When you dislike their kid but they are alright

#;deceitful cobra (ushari) #i forgot about that #and honestly? #makes sense I guess #they just wanna chill and do their own thing #Ushari just wants to nap and do his own thing #i can’t see him having beef with these two personally #and tbh even though it’s just a little scene #that confirms to me #grouchy is not a standard emotion with Ushari #he just doesn’t like getting disrespected or trampled on etc #however #i feel like the two of them would have words with him if they found out it was Ushari‘s idea to bring back Scar #was he bullied by Bunga and he finally had enough? #absolutely and Bunga never really faced the consequences for his actions towards Ushari #Bunga is a kid but honestly he gets away with…a lot #but that doesn’t excuse bringing Scar back and dooming everyone else in the process #Timon vs Ushari would have been interesting because #meerkats are immune to venom #and also eat snakes #…omg uncle max vs Ushari tho #grumpy old man vs grumpy old man #granted most of bunga‘s and ushari‘s encounter are accidentally rather than bullying #but also #since my headcanon is Ushari used to complain towards Simba before he took matters for himself #just Timon putting Bunga aside to talk with him like his mom used to do #mainly because Bunga‘s and Ushari‘s encounters kinda remind him of himself and his uncle #so he kinda understands where Bunga is coming from

[mad-hunts]

11. what would your muse consider their worst failing?

hello, @absensia, and happy sunday! thank you so much for the ask :D i just want y'all know that i appreciate every single one of these!! but alright, well... to tell you why barton views this particular thing as being his worst failing, i'm going to have to give you some backstory first. so please bear with me while i explain! so, as you may or may not know, barton currently has four kids. two of which are biologically related to him and the other two being adopted. though, back whenever he was first starting off as the dollmaker, barton actually had five kids. and this fifth child he had was named julien.

julien was different from the rest of his siblings, like jack is, in the way that he seemed to have experienced some form of trauma before barton had even adopted him that caused him to be very sensitive in relation to other people's emotions and actually made him act a bit jumpy. but this didn't change the fact that julien was kind of affectionately regarded as ' the best of all of them ' by barton's other kids whenever he was still around; and that was because julien would often try to protect his siblings, even in situations where he could get severely hurt, and he seemed to have this sort - of mellowing affect on barton because of just how likeable of a person he was.

the best way that i could describe what made him so special is that he was SUCH a good listener and had a way of making people feel welcome around him, which may be a bit surprising to hear considering the often dark + terribly gory reputation of the mathis family, but julien also really didn't like what he had to do while he was a part of their family sometimes. so you can imagine that whenever barton lost him to someone as sadistic as the joker... he was beyond devastated. not only because julien was like a figure of light in a family that could be the epitome of overwhelming despair, but because barton was the one who told him to go assist the joker with one of his ' schemes, ' as the man had contracted his help to do a rather grisly act to him — which would be to cut off his face — and julien had never come back from that meeting with him.

and although one could make the argument that barton couldn't have possibly known that that would happen, especially considering that he didn't know the full extent of just how bad the joker was at the time, he still very much blames himself for it. because barton believed that he should've known better in the end and gone there himself instead of treating this job like it'd be like any other one that they'd done, when it really wasn't. now just to give you some more context before i go on; if there's one thing you should know about barton, it's that his relationship with his children are probably his most complicated, so i do believe he does hold some kind of genuine love for them... but it's not a love that anyone can easily understand and one that likely isn't healthy at least half the time either.

but he felt legitimately torn up inside about it even a year later, and today, it's still isn't something that he likes to talk about. it was by far his greatest failure both as a father and as a person in his eyes. plus, knowing the fact that julien died alone and probably in a lot of pain, too? it was so painful for him that barton would swear up and down that it felt akin to someone shooting him right through the heart. so, if you were to ask him what he would do if he could go back in time and change one thing about his past, barton's answer wouldn't be that he would save himself from the cruelty of having to grow up under wesley's roof, or to make it so that his mom didn't have to leave him and he'd actually get to know her, or even to spend more a little more time with marcy... though, trust me, he has thought about all of those things.

it would be that he'd save julien. because he deserved so much better, in his eyes, than to be killed at the age of seventeen whenever he still had his whole life ahead of him and to have his comments about him being scared to go confront the joker completely dismissed. and this is also something that barton hates himself for. how to feels to have your feelings disregarded is something that barton is shocking familiar with, after all, and it's not a good feeling at all. but the fact remains that he can't do anything about his death now. all barton can do is grieve him at night, whenever he has no choice but to be alone with his thoughts, and he looks at past photographs of their entire family that have long since faded. of julien.

#YOUR NEED GREW TEETH: character study. #ANGER'S HELPED ME STAY ALIVE: headcanons. #uhh okay... who put the onion slices in here y'all ;; #i honestly don't know whether this one or the past one was more sad but i suppose it isn't a competition JSJSJ #i just love torturing poor ol' barton don't i? / j nahhh nah he's anything but poor. #though i do feel like barton's story can be somewhat sympathetic sometimes. from how he had to deal with having a c*nnibalistic serial- #killer for a father + having his mom be forced to leave him as well as julien dying and barton feeling an IMMENSE amount of guilt bc of it. #and i feel like that might not even be all but i don't wanna bum anyone here out any further so JSJSJ let's just put a pen in it for now #i hope you liked my response though and that you're having a great day!! #tw: mentions of a child's death. #tw: guilt. #tw: mentions of unhealthy family dynamics. #and i thought that i should add that that of course doesn’t EXCUSE his horrific actions... i just want to explain the way in which barton- #demonstrates his humanity ( or what's left of it at least (': ) and how things may be more complicated than they appear on the surface. #because barton is not entirely evil but he's also VERY MUCH not a good person. so yeahhh

[buffyspeak]

hodge’s betrayal is a pretty interesting commentary on a society that prioritizes punishment over rehabilitation, actually

#shadowhunters rewatch 2023 #hodge starkweather #like i’m not saying that excuses his actions bc it obviously doesn’t #but like. even without knowing this twist i don’t think it would be totally unanticipated

[1lvaites]

ppl will write villains and then be like mmmm i don’t like that villainous thing they did <3 and change it / erase it

#bla blah cAnOn diVeRgeNt but then like . just don’t write them lmao #i feel like ppl forget what . a villain is #they’re a villain bc they do . villainous things and those things usually (and SHOULD) conflict with our morals #and most of all : they play a role in an overall plot regardless if it’s in their pov or not #it is . in fact. doing them a misjustice and shatting on them when u decide to baby them and excuse their actions #or worse: straight up change and erase what they did so they’re ‘bad’ but nOt ThAt BaD #it doesn’t matter how much of a deep dive u do into them or feel for them #re: the darkling #re: joe goldberg #re: cat adams #re: love quinn #re: every mf villain i’ve seen someone take up on this platform #and ofc fhey do things that make u feel uncomfortable . that’s the point #but it doesn’t mean u have to like . write it or anything nobody is asking u to lmao #but erasing it is dumb as hell and fundamentally changes them #and their relationships with whom the harm is being done to #going back into thr gv rpc is just remembering that darkling ( who is still around lmao ) that blatantly erased his abuse and exploitation #of genya #i will never not be mad about it #like i write cat adams and i find the plot w reid extremely uncomfortable and disgusting #esp what she does to him later on #but that doesn’t mean i erase it lmao #IT DOESNT MEAN I MF WRITE IT #it’s just . simple as that #edit: and i truly honestly don’t give a flying fck if it’s ’ur portrayal’ ur just weird

[dwc-jamc-spn]

I read killing stalking and I am screaming its so fucked (in a good way?), I'm generally uncomfortable with the CONSTANT explicit and obviously fetishised rape scenes, its just gross, HOWEVER literally every other part of the comic portrayed this horrifically abusive relationship in such an interesting way, I almost fell for sangwoos bullshit later on when he was acting all vanilla and normal with Bum, BUT THAT WAS JUST YET ANOTHER layer of manipulation, maybe even subconsciously.

from all the talk about this comic a few years ago I thought it was just glorifying an abusive relationship but like no, you're not meant to want these two together, you're meant to root for Bum to get out, though again, the rape scenes are so much and so unnecessary and totally damped an actually interesting story

I gotta be honest 😅 I’ve kinda moved on from KS cuz I read it like a year ago, so I don’t really have the memory or energy to give this a proper thought out reply. But I will say I didn’t take any of the scenes from KS to be anywhere near fetishizing tbh. I’ll probably never experience a situation like the one in KS, and the only way I would ever know how scary and terrifying that would be is through a piece of literature like KS. Do some people take the content from KS and do…nefarious things with it? Yes. Does that mean Koogi was fetishizing SA/abuse? I…um…Based on my readings of Koogi interviews, absolutely no fetishizing was being done by the author.

And, I don’t mean for this to be rude, but no you’re not meant to root for Bum to get out. You’re meant for him to get help. In every aspect of his life, not just help away from Sangwoo. He’s not a perfect character and he’s not meant to be. He did hurt people and do bad things—even before he met Sangwoo, he’s a deeply flawed and broken character. Bum wasn’t the ‘good guy’ of the comic. Nor was he the bad guy. No one really was. That’s one of biggest points of the whole comic.

Sangwoo is the biggest example of this imo. What do you think would’ve changed about him if his mother hadn’t been his abuser?

#THIS IS NOT TO SAY SANGWOO WASNT A BAD GUY THO #TO BE CRYSTAL ABSOLUTELY CLEAR. SANGWOO IS A MURDERER AND A PSYCHOPATH. HIS UPBRINGING DOESNT EXCUSE THAT. #his upbringing EXPLAINS his actions. and if his upbringing had been different so would his actions. THAT’S MY POINT. nothing else. #like. abuse makes people abusers. abuse is a cycle and unfortunately Sangwoo didn’t break it. #okay that reads wrong now that I’m rereading it. abuse CAN make people abusers. it’s not inherent. #killing stalking #killing stalking webcomic #inbox reply #delete later? #I really hope this doesn’t come off rude #my intent isn’t to be rude but tone is lost and I’m sorry for bad word choices