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fadinglight123 · 6 months
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If I see any of you shitheads quoting Osama Bin Laden or getting anywhere near saying that a literal terrorist has a point it is on sight and I cannot fucking emphasize that enough
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edenfenixblogs · 6 months
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Let’s put some numbers to Jewish fear right now.
In news that I’m sure will thrill all antisemites, it would take startlingly little effort to foment widespread violence against us and cause another genocide of the Jewish people.
I have had many fellow Jews express to me how overwhelming it is to see the rising antisemitism. I have seen many Jews express fear at being drowned out of public, online, and IRL spaces due to dangerously violent vitriol.
I have also seen people who claim to advocate for Palestine—especially western leftists—openly mock Jews who express this fear.
Finally, I and my fellow Jews have often expressed that, while we wholeheartedly support Palestinian freedom and self determination, it is exhausting to have to say so repeatedly, especially when we are trying to advocate for ourselves. This is not due to any latent or widespread hatred of Muslims, Arabs, or Palestinians. It is because we are an extremely maligned and marginalized minority that is fighting to be heard against strong, hostile forces that at best wish we’d shut up and at worst want us eradicated from the planet.
There is a disconnect about how much harm people can do to Jews by spreading antisemitism and refusing to dismantle their own internalized antisemitism—and everyone has internalized antisemitism. It is one of the oldest forms of prejudice in the world and is found in almost every single culture. It is as, if not more, pervasive than white privilege. Yes. You read that right. And if asked to elaborate, I will provide numbers on that to the best of my ability. For the purposes of this post, however, I want to focus on the global distribution of religious groups only.
Specifically, this disconnect is between Jews who are fully aware and feel the affects of this damage and goyim who simply do not comprehend our marginalization.
To help, let’s put some numbers to this. In this post, I’ll be using the Pew Research Center’s survey and findings on the Global Religious Landscape. This is the most recent data from a reputable source that I could find which surveyed every world religion at the same time. While the Jewish population has grown slightly in the intervening years, so have most (if not all) other religious populations around the globe. I wanted to use figures measured at the same time to avoid bias for or against any religious group.
For the purposes of this post, I will not be discussing folk religions or other religions. This is not because they are not important. This is because they are not a monolith and individual folk religions and other religions may have even fewer adherents per religion than Judaism. I am currently only focusing on religions and religious groups who have more adherents than Judaism.
In descending order of adherents, there number of people in the world belonging to these groups:
2,200,000,000 (2.2 Billion) Christians
1,600,000,000 (1.6 Billion) Muslims
1,100,000,000 (1.1 Billion) Religiously unaffiliated people
1,000,000,000 (1 Billion) Hindus
500,000,000 (500 Million) Buddhists
14,000,000 (14 Million) Jews
Reduced to the simplest fractions there are:
1100 Christians for every 7 Jews
800 Muslims for every 7 Jews
550 Religiously unaffiliated people for every 7 Jews
500 Hindus for every 7 Jews
250 Buddhists for every 7 Jews
Combined, there are 6,400,000,000 non-Jewish people in religions or religious groups (including religiously unaffiliated people).
This means that for every 7 Jews there are 3200 people in religious groups who outnumber us.
Jews are 0.2 % of the global population.
When we tell you that hate is dangerous, it is because…
It would only take 0.21% of 6.4 Billion people to hate us in order to completely overwhelm and outnumber every single Jewish person on the planet. In other words, only 67.2 out of every 3200 people.
And given how violent and aggressive people have become toward us in recent weeks, that doesn’t seem far off.
No, most Christians, Muslims, Atheists/Agnostics, Hindus, and Buddhists do NOT hate Jews.
But if even 0.21% of them do hate us, Jews are at a legitimate and terrifying risk of ethnic cleansing and genocide.
It is not possible for Jews alone to fight this rising tide of hate. There simply aren’t enough of us. And many of us are too scared to tell you the truth: if you don’t vocally and repeatedly stand up for Jews (and not just the ones you agree with) you will be complicit in the genocide that follows. Police your own communities.
Nobody acting in good faith is asking you to abandon Palestinians or their fight for self determination and equality in their homeland. All we are asking is for you to learn about antisemitism, deconstruct it in yourself, and loudly condemn it when it occurs in front of you. We are asking you to comfort us and not run away when we are scared or even angry at you. Because a lot of us are angry with you, because we are extremely scared right now and many of you are not helping us. Many of you are actively and carelessly spreading dogwhistles that further the global rise in hatred against us.
You can support Palestine AND avoid Islamophobia WITHOUT making antisemitism worse. But you can’t stop antisemitism by staying silent in the face of it. And if you don’t speak up, you will get us killed. Silence, in this case, is quite literally violence.
Many of us have armed guards posted at our synagogues and schools and community centers because of this. I certainly had times where my synagogue and school had to have armed security for our safety.
The only reason more of us haven’t died already is because we have millennia of experience in confronting this kind of hatred and guarding against it.
But in pure numbers, if you don’t speak up for us now, we don’t have a chance at survival without support.
So, what can you do, specifically?:
* Make a stand or public statement about condemning antisemitism without mentioning another group. Acknowledge Jewish fear, pain, and current danger without contextualizing it in someone else’s. It could literally be something as simple as “Antisemitism is bad. There’s never a reason for it. I won’t tolerate it in presence in real life or online.” If you cannot bring yourself to publicly make this statement, you should have a serious look at yourself to understand why you can’t.
* Learn about the six universal features of antisemitism and the many, various dog whistles affecting the global Jewish community
* Do not welcome people who espouse rhetoric that includes any features from the above bullet point in your community unless you are able to educate them and eliminate that behavior.
* Check in on your Jewish friends, regularly and repeatedly. Do not wait for them to reach out to you. They are scared of you. Even if you don’t have the emotional space to have conversations about antisemitism. Just send a message once in a while, unprompted, “Jfyi, antisemitism still sucks. I support you.”
* Redirect conversations about which “side” is “right” to how to attain peace. Do this by saying that this line of argument is not conducive to peace, and link to a well-respected organization not widely accused of either antisemitism or Islamophobia that is devoted to achieving a peaceful resolution, increasing education, or providing humanitarian aid to relevant affected groups—including Jews, Israelis, Palestinians, Muslims, and Arabs. You can find over 160 such organizations at the Alliance for Middle East Peace https://www.allmep.org/
* Look to support experienced groups without widespread and verifiable claims of prejudice against either Jews or Muslims or Arabs or Palestinians. Many of these organizations can also be found at the AllMEP link above. Avoid groups on the shit list as well as unproductive and harmful movements.
* Do not default to western methods of political demonstration. Specifically, protests are not useful in attaining peace in western nations at this time. Israelis and Palestinians can and should protest to the best of their abilities in Israel and Palestine so as to pressure their own governments. However, protests in western nations have proven to be poorly regulated and to further the spread of bigoted rhetoric and violence against Jews, Muslims, Arabs, and Palestinians. Furthermore, there are nearly as many Palestinians in the world as there are Jews. It is extremely easy and common for the voices of bad actors and bigots on all sides to completely drown out Jewish and Palestinian voices and concerns at these events.
* Spend more time listening and learning than speaking and acting. Anyone who tells you this conflict is simple is someone who is lying to you. Take the time to learn the ways in which your actions and words can get people hurt before joining the fray.
* Stop demonizing Zionism as a concept, even if you disagree with it. Understand that it is a philosophy with many different movements that often conflict with each other. The Zionism practiced by Netanyahu and the Likud party is NOT representative of most Zionists or interpretations of Zionism. It is an extremist form of Zionism known as Revisionist Zionism.
* Don’t deny Jewish indigeneity to the levant. It doesn’t help Palestine and hurts Jews by erasing our physical and cultural history as well as erasing the Jews who remained in Israel even through widespread diaspora.
* KEEP THE HOLOCAUST OUT OF YOUR MOUTH
Things That Are Always OK
* Denouncing Antisemitism loudly and publicly
* Denouncing Islamophobia loudly and publicly
* Telling your Jewish and Muslim and Arab friends you support them and won't abandon them
* Elevating the work of respected, widely accepted people and organizations devoted to attaining peace for all, rather than just one group of people.
* Develop media literacy
* Understand what aspects of the current western leftist movements Jews are criticizing, rather than assuming our criticisms are motivated by hatred for Palestine or Palestinians.
* Expressing sorrow for civilian deaths regardless of religion or nationality.
* When you are not Jewish and you share a post about antisemitism from a Jewish person, please say you’re a goy. This isn’t because you’re not welcome to share. This is because it is indescribably comforting to know we aren’t just talking amongst ourselves and screaming into the void. Let us know you are supportive of us. It doesn’t mean that you or we hate Palestine or Palestinians or that we oppose their full and equal rights in our shared homeland.
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ecoamerica · 1 month
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pinkcarabiner · 9 months
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something that has been on my mind recently is that fact that so much of antisemitism within lgbt spaces and/or leftist spaces comes from people who consider themselves to be allies to the jewish community. particularly white goyim who see themselves as allies are actually unwilling to listen to jewish people because they believe they're already doing enough through simply stating they support us. i believe that most of their antisemitism is not intended to cause harm, and rather comes as a genuine attempt to do the right thing and show support another marginalized group. here are some examples that i have noticed all from goyim who call themselves allies
asking jewish people they've just met about zionism after learning they're jewish when their conversations had nothing to do with israel
continuously sharing memes/rhetoric with nazi origins even after being informed of their meaning because "the joke isnt antisemitic"
constant use of antisemitic language to discuss transmisogyny after jewish people have asked them to stop
critiquing media for only the ways it negatively affects white lgbt folks and disregarding antisemitism/islamophobia/racism/ableism etc
using the word "religion" as a synonym for christianity, often framing "all religion as bad" in conversations about religious trauma
claiming that jewish women (especially orthodox) contribute to their own oppression through religious observance
again, these all come from people who claim to be allies to the jewish community. goyim, i am not saying you're a bad person or inherently evil if you have done any of the above, but rather calling attention to the fact that your words and actions may have been harmful to jewish people, as well as other religious minorities, even when that was not your intent. if you call yourself an ally, it shows us that you recognize our oppression and will support us. when a jewish person addresses antisemitism, the best thing you can do is listen to them, educate yourself, and either change your behavior or call it out in others. allyship is an action. take the time to listen to us, don't speak for us or over us.
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fdelopera · 7 months
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I've been thinking about one of the antisemitic canards that some of you goyim like to shout at us Jews. It goes something like this: "LOL looks like the Jews are becoming like the the Nazis, haha."
And I've been thinking about why you goyim are so incredibly grotesque when you say this about us Jews.
Is it because you are knowingly weaponizing the Holocaust, our greatest tragedy, against us? Yes, that's part of it.
Is it because you are being intellectually deceitful bigots? Yes, that's part of it.
Is it because your bigotry and antisemitism are delegitimizing the Palestinian cause, and making it harder for the Palestinian people to fight for their freedom? Yes, that's a BIG part of it.
But I think the most disturbing part of this lie is where you goys got it from.
Especially you leftist goys.
You got this lie from the Neo-Nazi, Richard Spencer.
You know, the Nazi who famously got punched in the face.
You also got this lie from the Neo-Nazi, David Duke.
Richard Spencer was one of the first white supremacists who popularized weaponizing the Holocaust and Nazism against Jewish people in this way (all while being a whole-ass Nazi himself). He uses logical fallacies and political theatre to advance alt-right ideas.
But then you goyim on the political left got ahold of Richard Spencer's talking points. You copied the homework of an actual Nazi, and ran with his ideas, and here we are.
You leftist goys have been secretly listening in on Nazis for fucks sake!! Despite knowing full well that they HATE people of color. Despite knowing full well that they HATE queer people. Despite knowing full well that they HATE Muslims. Nazis want everyone who isn't a white, cishet, right-wing Christian to fucking DIE, for fucks sake.
Richard Spencer and David Duke stand for EVERYTHING YOU HATE!
Except, apparently, for hating Jews.
You leftist goys have been going to YouTube and listening to Nazi lectures. You've been plugging your ears when Nazis say HIDEOUS things about every other marginalized group, but then when they start talking about Jews, you copy their white supremacist talking points VERBATIM.
How DARE you steal your ideas from Nazis. You are DISGUSTING.
There are so many VALID and LEGITIMATE ways you can protest against the Israeli government and their atrocities and war crimes. There are so many VALID and LEGITIMATE ways you can protest the actions of the Israeli military.
But when you steal your ideas from Nazis, you make it clear that you don't give a SHIT about the Palestinian people.
When you steal your ideas from Nazis, you make it clear that the ONLY thing you care about is seeing Jews get murdered.
YOU HAVE BECOME USEFUL IDIOTS FOR THE NEO-NAZIS AND WHITE SUPREMACISTS.
Great job, goys.
God. You make me so, so tired.
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germiyahu · 2 months
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There really is no meaningful distinction between Right Wing antisemitism and Left Wing antisemitism. At least not when it comes to their effects.
Right Wing antisemitism claims Jews are subhuman, or even non-human. Both a powerful elite and a class of pathetic vermin. Weak and strong. Dangerous yet easy targets to vent off a little societal steam. The perfect scapegoats.
Left Wing antisemitism claims Jews are a privileged class not in need of protection, not deserving of consideration. The beneficiaries of white/class privilege and also constantly attempting to cosplay marginalization for special treatment or attention or sympathy.
Both see Jews as a powerful force perverting society, while also feeling contempt for individual Jewish people, Jewish culture, Judaism, etc. as useless, lazy, whiny, entitled, and moronic. Are Left Wing antisemitism and Right Wing antisemitism really all that different in their core beliefs?
Right Wing antisemitism is often more openly violent, sure. It's often more of a direct call to action to harm Jews. It's often more outwardly and proudly genocidal in scope and intent. But Left Wing antisemitism can feel more insidious I imagine, as it looks at Right Wing antisemitism and especially in these times, increasingly says "So? What do you have to say about all the dead children in Gaza?"
Right Wing antisemites want to victimize Jews and Left Wing antisemites insist Jews cannot be victims. Do you not see how this is a deadly combination? And do you not see, how maybe after decades of thinking they could trust them, Jews are more upset about Left Wing goyim being antisemitic?
And that's not even touching on the Leftist antisemites who are being openly violently antisemitic in a Right Wing way but still insist on calling themselves Leftists. I'm taling about who I think is the greater percentage. The Leftists who see verifiable undeniable rising antisemitism and simply don't care because the Jews had it coming or the Jews need to do x, y, z before they deserve your pity or your help or your anything... this is a huge problem.
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screamingfromuz · 7 months
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I know for a fact that people calling Israelis and Jews "white european colonizers" either:
A) have never met an Israeli Jew or a Diaspora Jew, and base their idea of what a Jew looks like from hollywood (which has a long history of casting only white-passing Jews or goyim in Jewish roles, while more 'Jewish-looking' Jews get cast as Arabs or other "brown people") or from those antisemitic khazar theories from neo-nazis and antisemitic leftists where they cherry-pick the most white-passing Jews* and claim that this is what all Jews look like - sometimes they sneak in a few pictures of european gentiles, while claiming it's pictures of Jewish people.
B) are straight up lying and know that they are lying and spreading misinformation
My entire life I have experienced people assuming I'm from an Arab country (an on some occasions, other ethnicities, such as when my older [Indian] co-worker asked if my family was from India because I "looked a lot like her niece who she misses a lot" (her niece lives elsewhere so she doesn't see her often) - which is literally the sweetest way anyone has ever asked me where I'm from). I have experimenced islamophobia (which got especially bad in Europe after 9/11) despite not being Muslim, because people assume I'm an Arab, and assume that Arab = Muslim. While Arabs and Arabic culture is definitely a part of middle eastern culture, there as also many other ethnicities, ethno-religions and cultures making up the tapestry that is the middle east; we're a lot more diverse than people give us credit for.
Also, tangentially related: in my experience, the most anti-zionist jews are usually the most white-passing ones, which makes me wonder if being able to pass as a goy means they have less experience with being discriminated against, and thus are more able to put energy and focus into supporting other minorities as well as not seeing the reason why other Jews cannot simply assimilate into gentile society? Maybe they assume that all other Jews (who are not as white-passing) share their experiences of not being faced with bigotry, and therefore think that Jews who feel unsafe and scared because of rising antisemitism are simply 'being paranoid' or 'exaggerating'.
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strangesmallbard · 5 months
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re: being jewish in goyische leftist circles, it’s also complex because of how many people were genuinely well-meaning. many wanted to learn about judaism and antisemitism + trusted me as a source of that knowledge. these were people i trusted. i shared/unpacked experiences with a friend who was white-passing bc we navigated white goyische spaces in similar ways. my former roommate (someone i consider my sister) once helped me grate potatoes for latkes because my osteoarthritis was acting up. this is not about the other former roommate who asked me, while we were both drunk, why i didn’t believe in jesus. (and even she was well meaning! lol. lmao, even). i don’t resent them; i resent me for distilling my people and culture into something palatable, even memeable. “judaism is about punching god behind a denny’s” etc.
they even encouraged me to be more open in activist spaces, but i knew they didn’t know what they were asking. because our circles didn’t discuss jewish issues, unless i brought them up. or unless the antisemitism was especially noticeable (to goyim). obviously i can’t really begrudge catholic goyim for not Knowing. but idk maybe i can? especially when Learning About Marginalized Groups was a concept we lived by. i literally took a sociology course called “Marginalized Groups in the US” and the only article about jews we read was “when jews became white people.” idk my point here yet actually!! but i wish i’d done something different nevertheless. these are people i love—who reached out to me after the tree of life shooting, but not after oct 7. it could mean nothing. i don’t want to check their social media feeds. AUGH.
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abigail-pent · 4 months
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will probably delete this later, but... saw a post yesterday that bugged the shit out of me. didn't want to add comments on it because g-d knows I don't need tumblr harassment in my life, of all things, but...
there is an incredibly Western impulse to say Israel is colonialist and therefore we should expect decolonization in that area to look like it did in South Africa or pretty much anywhere else that European nations colonized. and when you say this, it's like... tell me you have no grasp of Jewish history without telling me you have no grasp of Jewish history. tell me you think all Israelis are white colonizers without using those words.
you simply cannot expect that a nation largely composed of *refugees* and the *descendants of refugees* will be treated the same way white South Africans were. or should expect to be treated that way. Western leftist goyim have really taken the "Jews are White > Israel is White" thing way too far... even when we are, which is far less often than many think, we are more often than not treated as acceptable targets for violence because we are Jews. This is simply not true for White former British citizens. their historical experience is not our historical experience. violent antisemitism, including pogroms and massacres, was ALWAYS a feature of diaspora before the creation of the state of Israel, and it's naive to expect that violent antisemitism wouldn't also be a common feature of a post-Israel world. especially when Hamas had "death to the Jews" in its charter for ages, and the Houthis have it now, and Iran has something like it too and funds them both. and yes, I know Hamas took that out of its charter in 2018, but... if you think that the quiet part stops existing when you stop saying it out loud, then I have a bridge to nowhere I'd like to sell you.
like. metaphors have their time and their place. this is not it. some situations are simply not like every other situation that you think kind of looks similar to it on a surface level. I think Westerners in particular find it incredibly easy to look at conflicts in parts of the world they know very little about and go "oh yes, so x is just like y thing we have over here" and ... not everything is. and you'll walk yourself right into a trap of oversimplification if you do that. not to mention that there's a certain arrogance to saying that "x is like y, we solved y already, so why don't you just adopt our solution for x?" it's a kind of chauvinism to assume that x has no important features that Westerners didn't already account for in solving y. it's essentially saying that you think non-Westerners are backwards for not having implemented solution y already.
but most of all it just feels like goyische leftists in the West will tie themselves into all sorts of pretzel knots to feel ok adopting the same slogans as people who have told us and shown us, over and over, that they're interested in committing violence against Jewish people. what happened to "when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time"?
like... of course that's not what everyone who uses a certain slogan means by that. but there are a lot of people who do mean that. and when both those with and without violent intentions use the same slogan, we can't tell the difference between the two. so tell me, what's the cautious way to approach someone who has like a 1/3 chance of wanting to do you harm? on an interpersonal level, you avoid them.
like don't get me wrong - here's the official Online Jewish Disclaimer - I am very anti Likud, very anti Netanyahu, very anti war crimes no matter who is committing them. but I do not know or pretend to know how to solve this conflict and achieve a lasting peace. and I wish more people understood that you can't arrive at a real solution by erasing one party's current reality or historical experience.
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anethara · 5 months
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i/p conflict. there is nothing coherent under this read-more. also a slur. and typos probably.
so. when i signed up to take this seminar about israel (ironically, about two weeks before 10/7), i did so thinking, "well, who knows. hopefully i will learn some new stuff and wrestle with this subject i have largely rejected whole cloth on account of annoyance." i expected to meet information i did not like or that made me uncomfortable. that's fine. that should be the drill, really, if you're jewish. "disturb us, Adonai, ruffle us from our complacency; make us dissatisfied" etc etc. and do you know what? it has changed my mind about some things - although, probably not the way the hartman institute imagined it would (the curriculum is a decade old). i'm not going to get into all that right now though.
no, i want to kvetch about something else that has happened in this class. i need to bitch and moan about the fact that almost no one else in the class seems to have come to the table with the same attitude. and i wonder: what the hell did you think we were going to discuss? we're talking about the challenge we face as reform jews in grappling with the israeli government's abject ideological failures. the whole program exists to resuscitate a conversation that had basically been abandoned by millennial jews because if our jewishness is in part defined by a commitment to social justice, we cannot feasibly support a state that flagrantly flouts those principles! so most of us threw our hands up on the subject of israel, and especially us american jewry - we said 'not my circus, not my monkeys.'
when all of this really popped off and suddenly every gentile could identify israel on a map, i was disgusted to realize something i've heard from basically every other jew ever, especially older folks: we will never really be assimilated, not truly. you're not nearly as american as you are jewish. this was logical knowledge, but until i experienced the ensuing tire spike of leftist antisemitism, it wasn't practical knowledge. it was like saying "yeah yeah i know how velocity works" and then getting into a neck-breaking car crash. because of this reaction, i did what a lot of us have done for the last few months: i retreated. i retreated because there has been no escape. in an age of surveillance normalcy and clickbait news, i cannot avoid incendiary headlines; goyim i haven't spoken to in months have flocked to my dm's (or invited me to dinner! without warning!) to ask me about my opinion on the war - a handful of these inquiries have been well-intentioned, if clumsy good-faith attempts, but most of them have the putrid aftertaste of "are you a good jew, or a bad jew?" lingering on them. even my beloved blue hellsite is not safe for me. and believe me, i have gotten very good at curating my dash over the years, but you people have found a way to fucking blast me with some of the most rancid, white supremacist tinfoil hat shit i've ever seen out in broad daylight, so to speak. i cannot tell you how many times in the last few months i've seen mutuals reblog something that made me think, damn just call me a kike and move on it will be better for both of us. so yeah, i've retreated. my non-jewish social circle shrunk exponentially within a matter of days. something i've had to repeat a lot is "i will have this conversation with other jews but i'm done having it with gentiles."
and now. and now. i cannot have this conversation with other jews!!!! at least, almost none who i see and interact with regularly. overnight, three fourths of my reform congregation turned to populist, nationalist rhetoric. people who months ago were championing reproductive freedom are now saying alarming things about the "duty" of jewish women to produce, and this is verbatim, "lots and lots of jewish babies!" today, in class, i had to fucking hand-hold someone through a reality check about the fact that hamas was not democratically elected so much as """democratically elected""" (read: at gunpoint) and you could see the gears turning, you could almost physically watch as this woman realized that if what i was telling her was true (which rabbi corroborated), that would logically terminate her justifications for violence against palestinians. "i just feel like if you support israel's military actions, there's no space for you in this conversation," she said, referring to the class. never mind that every fucking week we get derailed and the thing devolves into arguing about philosophical potholes and logical fallacies (which would be fine on saturday morning but this subject begs a slightly different tone imo). all we fucking do is hear out the pro-bibi spiel like patient parents and then gently try to offer facts and information only to be told we aren't 'making space' for the opinion that 'war crimes acceptable actually.'
anyway, all this to say that i am feeling deeply isolated and lonely right now. i don't want to talk to my remaining gentile friends about this. i can't talk with other jews about this, apparently. i haven't attended services in months (i'm usually there every week, fri-sun). i've been showing up to class via zoom (which i hate) so that i don't throw hands.
i gave rabbi a ride home the other night. she asked me, in the most earnest voice i have ever heard from another human being, "so. how are you doing?"
i do not know what compelled me to reveal this, especially to someone i have not had the easiest relationship with, but i said, "i'm sad. i'm lonely." she nodded. "hanukkah sucks this year. everyone who has ever conveniently forgotten about the maccabees for the last several decades - everyone who has celebrated a sanitized festival of lights so that we could compete with the christian slice of the hallmark card market - is suddenly trotting out the story of the revolt." she was still nodding. "and now, they've all gone and conveniently forgotten about how the hasmonean dynasty ended."
she seemed to chew on this for a moment. i like that about her. then she said, "if they ever even know about that part to begin with."
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Sorry meant what do you think of ben shapiro(besides the anti trans stuff cause fuck that)
I'm???? Clearly I don't like him???
I think he sucks, his politics suck, and he's honestly making a huge Chilul Hashem with the way he's the only exposure to Orthodox Judaism many goyim have. He's a hypocrite and besides his conservative politics I obviously don't agree with, he's also just annoying. Politics shouldn't be about who talks faster and louder.
But I also think goyim focus way too much on him and his sister, it's frankly antisemitic with the way they sexualize both of them and mock their appearances. Especially since there are far more Christian conservatives with far more power than Ben Shapiro has, but no, by all means, make your whole personality about hating Ben Shapiro, who isn't even a politician. Like frankly if we all just stopped giving him attention, he'd shut up, but I guess making fun of Ben Shapiro makes white leftists money, so.......
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ladyimaginarium · 7 months
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the op won't allow rbs which is valid but. yeah. nonnative goyim especially white leftist goyim settlers read this im& Begging.
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transamus · 2 years
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something i've been having a really hard time articulating is the focus on the Glory of Violence on the left, like. especially among other white leftists, especially among goyim, especially among TME people, a Complacency with just painting fascism as this Enemy Figure and focusing on nothing but that. there's a great video by the youtuber noncompete called Quixotism on the Left that does a great job of getting into it, but just like.
especially During Hanukkah, seeing "leftist" youtubers upload videos with swastikas in their fucking thumbnails, think for a second about how many videos you see, how many books on display at book stores- even leftist ones, how many posts, how many talking points, are just "fuck terfs" or "nazis bad" & plaster swastikas everywhere, compared to how many times you've ever seen anything about cherishing jewish lives, cherishing trans lives, cherishing the lives of people of colour, about learning more and focusing on Protecting over Glory.
it's never reassured me at all to see "fuck terfs" 1000 times from someone TME who hasn't once went out of their way to uplift trans voices. it's, at best, a tragedy for someone to devote their lives to fascism, & i think it should be treated as such? which isn't to say "oh violence isn't the answer", because it is. a lot of the times its the Only answer. there's just no glory in this, & there never has been.
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deqdyke · 3 years
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TW: discussions of Ch*rlottesville
An active part of being antizionist is destabilizing the narrative that Jews need Israel for safety. You do that by supporting and keeping safe diasporic Jewish communities, especially ones that have no direct connection with the settler state. It's so frustrating to me to see white goyim leftists constantly post about Palestine but when confronted they have no idea what BDS is, what the nakba or farhud are, what the term Mizrahi means, what Hamas actually is; they can't name any Zionist thinkers and if pressed they'll name "Bernie Sanders" or Netenyahu. A vocal local antisemitic leftist has a rehearsed call and response that involves calling basically any public Jewish figure they're dismissing a Zionist. It's so disheartening. There's no care for the actual pain and hurt that impacts Palestinians or Jews.
That same leftist constantly claims she can't be an antisemite bc she was at CVille. She talks about it all the time. I had Jewish friends at CVille. One of them got beat by Neo-Nazis who were shouting "Jews will not replace us". They don't organize anymore. I have another friend whose entire family FLED THE COUNTRY because they had to watch Nazis march down their street and could do nothing to stop it. Every time that antisemite brings it up I just want to scream at her that this isn't about her. Part of the conversion process is being taught about the violence you face as a Jew and being asked "Why do you want this? Can you really condemn your children to this? Understand what it is you're facing".
Fucking protect us. Being an antisemite doesn't help Palestinians, it just uses them as a cudgel. Be loud, be vocal, be unapologetically against the Zionist colonial regime. Create a world where basically every Jew doesn't have an escape plan plotted out. Render their propaganda meaningless.
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beefcake007 · 4 years
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I vented about this in 2016 and 4 years later I still feel the same. You’re not being useful if you’re entire activism as a leftist is one up-ing other leftists on just how hard you’d punch a nazi. Especially if you’re a white goyim, aggro jingoistic displays of violence that put yourself in a spot where you are legally in the wrong don’t Actually help minorities.
I’m not saying this out of propriety but out of self preservation. Stand up for yourself, stand up for others, but do not instigate. If you’re white then the repercussions won’t fall on you, it’ll fall on a mosque, a temple, a black church, someone on the street wearing religious garb etc. etc.
And maybe don’t be a hypocrite. Listen to the voices affected by white supremacy, they’re all pretty fucking scared rn, and when they see these white gen z anarchists that care more about chaos than change it can be pretty disheartening. Chaos can definitely bring change, but no one seems to anticipate who takes the fall in those situations.
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This is prompted partly by people recently sharing around a post by a Christian conservative/rightist Dunking On The Stoopid Atheists (nice work! very Not Culturally Christian of you all), but it’s also a more general response to how I’ve seen a lot of us talk about and treat other people. This is first and foremost directed toward white Christians (though not exclusively) and particularly focuses on other LGBT people, because that’s where some of my experiences wrt this have been most disappointing--
Some of you have really shitty and smug attitudes about non-religious people and especially people who have left the religious communities they were raised with, and it shows
I may as well put the disclaimer right here that Yes, I know about the Nu Atheists and their support for imperialism and fascism. I’ve also definitely had my share of antisemitic crap from LGBT goyim, I really have. I’m very familiar with being scrutinized as Possibly Regressive for having anything to do with “A Regressive Patriarchal Abrahamic Religion” and “Judeo-Christianity.” Antisemitism and Islamophobia and racism masquerading as “being critical of beliefs” are rampant with white culturally christian LGBT people. We have to support religious LGBT people, and a lot of us don’t, and the pushback against that is vital.
You also actually still have to support LGBT people who very decidedly are not religious, who have left the religious communities they come from, have had extremely negative and traumatic experiences with religious practice, suffered religious abuse by their parents, and have not and will not Reconcile or Reclaim anything. Nothing about that contradicts combating antisemitism, islamophobia, and racism.
“Lots of people had bad experiences but they were able to reconcile and do the work to carve out--” that doesn’t mean that’s what’s best or even possible for somebody else. You don’t get to treat people who responded differently like they’re less enlightened for leaving something that was immensely harmful to them, or even that just wasn’t right for them. The idea that Forgiving and Reconciling is what makes someone the bigger person -- and that not doing so makes them weak, small-minded, petty, bitter, broken, etc. -- is fundamentally abuse apologism that serves the social function of silencing survivors, isolating people who are already outsiders, and folding them back into the entrenched social formations that hurt them.
I’ve particularly seen many self-styled Leftists, and unfortunately a number of other LGBT people, launch into abuse apologism and start regurgitating absolutely heinous victim-blaming shit as soon as someone alludes to their trauma or the abuse they experienced in religious contexts. Immediately rolling their eyes and actually feeling bold enough to assume It Wasn’t That Bad and the person in question is just a bellyaching edgelord whiner, like “we get it, you’re just soooo much smarter than your parents, you’re just way too intelligent to have christmas with grandma, that must have been so hard for you lmaooo”
(if you are going to respond derisively like that, you should throw “snowflake” and “triggered” in there too, just to make clear who the edgelord really is.)
If your idea of a non-religious person or an atheist or w/e is White Culturally Christian Edgelord Neckbeard Who Just Wants To Pretend To Have Problems, you might be projecting your own environment and positionality onto everyone else. If you’re white and Christian yourself, the shit is DEFINITELY under your own shoe.
I don’t know how else to get across to some of you that “Atheists are selfish, vain, amoral, untrustworthy, antisocial, and materialistic” isn’t the Radical Liberatory Take that you think it is.
Lastly: even Nu Atheists do not have nearly the kind of power projection capabilities and the direct involvement in imperialism & building fascism that the Religious Right and evangelical white american Christians do, but I wouldn’t know that from the focus some people place on them. Especially if you live in the US.....you know Boy Scouts still exists, right?
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One of the most insidious forms of antisemitism is this idea of choice – that Jews are only victims of antisemitism when they choose to be. This is prevalent in some leftist communities, especially the idea that Jews are “European/white” in the same way goyim are. This idea leads to the inevitable conclusion that antisemitism is escapable for the Jewish people; in a way that racism is not. This puts the onus on Jewish people to assimilate in order to pass as gentile in order to avoid violence. More heinously, it also puts moral guilt on Jewish victims. A good example of this is the idea that Jews could’ve escaped the Holocaust because they, say, look no different than the rest of the European population. Jews are not only genetically unique, but had been segregated and labeled in European communities since kingdom come – Jews are wholly Jewish, their faces, names, families, etc. are not white European in the same way goyim are white Europeans. Every part of my being is Jewish, there is no part of me that is goy; in this way violence is inescapable both in my family’s past and in my future.
This is one of my main criticism of antisemitism being defined as the targeting of a specific religious minority – totally secular Jews are just as much targets of antisemitism as practicing Jews.
This apparatus of guilt that is constructed around Jewish victimhood– the constant need for Jews to prove they are still targeted, and the constant need to find Jews guilty of extorting their past to justify their crimes. (i.e. Our narrative of oppression is a smoke screen for us orchestrating the slave trade, and Jewish victimhood is a beneficial way to hide our wicked ways.) This not only asks a group of people who were recently mass slaughtered to carry out obscene amounts of emotional labor, but also allows for antisemitism to continue to flourish.
~~FREE PALESTINE~~
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