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zarnzarn · 8 months
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i see all these comments talking about this after the new episode, but. i would like to state for the record that stolitz isn't. toxic.
first off, the concept of a toxic and a healthy relationship are such... vague terms. when you're online, drenched in language and tight moral boundaries, trying to put a nuanced story like helluva boss's into boxes is easy to attempt and impossible to do.
a toxic relationship is one where one or both parties is maliciously affecting the other. I'm talking fetid, nasty, rude interactions where there is more hurt than love. they're unhappy more often than not when they're with their partner, there's no respect or give from the other side.
stolitz is nothing like that.
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Stolas actively cares about Blitz and actually has no fear or hesitation in ADMITTING IT OUT LOUD TO OZZIE. he has been calling, texting, commenting, laughing and finding ways to spend time with Blitz. he's throwing everything he has to the wind, finding the courage to move forward with the divorce, putting everything he has into trying to keep him. he's been alone in a palace since he was born, on medication, with such less people dear to him that he remembered the circus boy who spent a day with him DECADES ago- so when blitz comes into his life and brings back in laughter and color and sex, he's holding on with everything he's got.
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and blitz does care!!! he cares a LOT, the whole series we see him falling in love with stolas through SHOW NOT TELL (his expressions, his choices, his fear, his lashing out) and utterly unable to process that stolas cares about him too when talking to fizz; almost a desperate kind of denial-
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cause yknow. the first time he tried to confess something to someone he really liked, he accidentally killed half the people he knew and ruined the lives of the rest?
thats gonna leave just a teensy impact on the will to express your emotions in the future, methinks.
even before that, he clearly felt like on some level that he was unworthy and he's said twice that he despises himself for the accident even though it wasn't actually his fault. being self aware doesn't stop the emotions from emotioning.
he keeps insisting its only sex so urgently to anyone who doesn't ask because he can't even imagine it being anything else. he's both disappointed and relieved when he repeats that stolas sees him as a novelty, because what else can it be?
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(there's a whole other spiel of how brave both Stolas and Blitz have to be to say it out loud even when asmodeus can't afford to, considering how publically and completely beaten down both were at the club.)
(there's also another whole spiel about how frustrating it has been for ME to see all these comments over time with such bad takes based on like,, 20 min worth of info of a show that takes months to release an ep. like godDAMN have some patience?? let the story UNFOLD MAYBE? IT WAS ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE AN EXPLANATION WHY WOULD YOU CRITICIZE THINGS THAT ARENT EVEN FINISHED ESPECIALLY AN INDIE ANIMATION- i digress)
mind you, this has NOTHING to do with abuse. an abusive relationship is one where one is actively harming the other with full awareness. Stella is an abuser and their marriage is abusive.
and stolitz isn't that; it isn't even unhealthy or toxic. it's a consensual, transactional fuckbuddy relationship that slid into something more for both of them.
but!!!!! one of the main reasons for the problems that everyone looks over is-
they're in a BDSM relationship.
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I can't possibly delve into dynamics without making this a 10k research paper BUT even though we've gotten only hints and costumes and dialogue- they're very clearly and undeniably in a BDSM contract. Behind the scenes of this crazy show is a whole different story, of these two delving into the most hardcore kinks out there- knifeplay, painplay, bondage.
if you've gotten into the community, if you've read a couple dozen particularly good fics by authors who know what they're talking about, hell; even if your only experience is fifty shades or 365 or whatever- you gotta know that BDSM scenes are crazy fucking emotionally heavy. there's so much that has gone down between them during their full moons that helluva can't get into!!
but you know how in so many of these popular medias and fics, the dom in the relationship is also like,, the billionaire/mafia heir/prince, etc, the one with financial and physical power? this isnt that. it has been very clearly stated that stolas is subbing, blitz is domming.
now take a moment and think about how much that fucks up the dynamics.
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in stolas' eyes, blitz is a confident, dangerous individual who's an old friend and cherished memory of his, who he's trusted wholly with his safety during sex and he's lucky to have; and he has been in an abusive arranged marriage for the past eighteen Years, he's probably not going to be pushing his luck with his dom that much in the first place. plus, blitz is never cowed by him during their conversations- think back to the first phone call right after he stole the book, completely unafraid.
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and for blitz, it's someone trusting him again- but it's also a royal- a blue blood who's nearly untouchable and so much more powerful- who couldn't possibly like a piece of shit like him, apart from the sex he gets out of it. he only flirts once he gets some sort of cue from Stolas; he's desperately trying to view this as only a Goetia trying to get his rocks off, despite all the evidence to the contrary, because anything else is unfathomable to him, no matter how clearly Stolas shows it, because of the ptsd.
both of them thinks the other has the power. both of them aren't expecting the other to keep shut if something's bothering them.
and there's so much conflicting messages from the other too!
stolas calls him a plaything when trying to intimidate the humans; stolas cups his face gently and asks if he's alright
blitz asks him on a date and tells him to get better soon; blitz yells that it's only sex and doesn't reply to his messages
ya see?
bring it to fizzozzie for a second now; even though they do look all good on surface, you can still see fizz's trauma and doubt in all their interactions, they're still forced to keep the relationship secret. do you see his face when Ozzie says in hyperbole that he's never leaving the house again, or when someone accuses him of being a pampered house pet or when he got sexualized in the 7th ep? whatever happened in the interim between the accident with mammon, it fucked him UP. even though oz seems to be well aware of this when he tells him not to apologise and in their general interactions, fizz still visibly has trouble separating plaything/commodity from healthy relationship.
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shout the fuck out to Ozzie btw, man knows whats UP. rooting for these two so much omg.
i forgot where I was going with this point, I'll edit it when i remember. but yeah! lovely fucking relationship, but damn what angst filled issues.
anyway, to sum up- stolitz is not a toxic relationship. the relationship is stuck sludging through misunderstandings and careless microaggressions and trauma responses, but it's not unhealthy or toxic because of the simple reason that most of the current hurt comes from... a misunderstanding. stolas didn't realise blitz would need reassurance about what they were and blitz didn't see stolas as someone who could get hurt.
unecessarily calling it toxic, even online, is more impactful than people think too. almost all spindlehorse ARE on all social medias; so MANY YouTube animators i know have found jobs there; they see your words, especially since a lot don't tag posts with "anti hb" correctly to keep them out of the main tag. there are Very few queer medias made BY queer people that haven't gone through heavy corporate revisions- helluva boss is practically a historical landmark in its success. it's very very very fucking easy to forget that not ten years ago some of the only queer videos on YouTube were butter lover (one kiss at the end post credits), dirty paws and welcome to hell (subtext).
the amount of "critical talk" helluva boss gets for what it is is very unprecedented. it's a beautiful show. can't wait for the next episode.
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7roaches · 6 months
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ngl ice king and mbetty is cute but i think if i was ice king and i turned back into simon bc all the golbetty shit still happened my entire perception would chan why am i talking in first person i think for a looooong time like akin to his process in f&c simon would be hung up over betty nd be like “ooooo yeah ice king was terrible i understand why she was like that” and then when he cant rationalize that anymore hed be like “ooooo betty was crazy and i was too so i understand it” and then “oooooo but she loved me so much so its actually romantic” & then he’d reach his pinnacle instead of minerva therapy i think hed just sit there like hey. what the fuck was that about
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rockybfdi2763 · 10 months
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hey guys if I like. made a tumblr object comic where the asks controlled competitions and stuff would you guys like. be interested
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cantofworms · 5 months
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Last thing we hear from you is you’re gonna watch supernatural and then you disappear 😭
yeeeahhhh about that it’s been four days and I’m a few episodes into season three now w no end in sight😭
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caramiaaddio · 1 year
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so I was rewatching mark’s play through of power wash simulator and at one point he was talking about what he wanted to do after space and he mentioned wanting to help other youtubers make big projects since youtube originals shut down. and then he talked about how he knows other youtubers didn’t get the experience he did and namedropped daniel howell and his video about the series he was supposed to make.
and I remembered a few months ago when I was at the preshow q&a for we’re all doomed and somebody jokingly asked dan how he felt about markiplier onlyfans and dan offhandedly mentioned that he had been talking with mark.
so. having some conspiracy thoughts.
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4arconinoma · 1 year
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Confession I still havent finished stone ocean to this day and I need to so bad but I'm literally scared to because it's so fucking depressing
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peggy-ovo · 9 months
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👏 movie 👏 pacing👏 will feel👏fast👏when you're👏only👏used👏to shows👏
#im so sorry they couldnt fit 17 filler episodes directly in the middle of the movie??????#its a MOVIE#they need to fit the ENTIRE STORY into an hour and 40 minutes#but you people are so brain rotted from the 120 episode 40 hour story youve forgotten how movies work#and ppl complaining like “they changed things they changed things!!” yeah??? and????? if you wanted to watch the show then go watch the show#this is a different story#arguably better imo because they managed to fit all the best story beats from the (again. 40 hour) show and condensed it into under 2 hours#anyways i loved the movie and as someone who recently rewatched the whole show from start to finish#its obJECTIVELY BETTER#you guys wanna talk about plot holes? fucked pacing? what the fuck even happened with luka and marinette?? they got together as a#pivotal plotline at the very end of a season#then the FIRST EPISODE OF THE NEXT#break up#chloes redemption arc? that then got ripped away from her bc the head writer is a fucking baby?#whatever in gods name happened with gabriel at the end????#theyre completely different formats and slightly different stories is what im trying to say. you guys are judging a movie by show standards#apples to oranges#(except in this case its an apple to a rotting orange because jesus fucjing christ the show is a mess)#its still worth watching#its funny and has some interesting ideas#and when it hits it HITS#but holy fuck stop shittingbon the movie#esp when your only critiques are “its not the show!!!1!”#miraculous ladybug#adrien agreste#marinette dupain cheng#miraculous lb#miraculous awakening#chat noir
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strangleetomz · 1 year
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rewatching this bc i watched the whole show in one day yesterday and i am fucking obsessed-
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spoilers / rants in the tags,,
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foxcassius · 11 months
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i feel bad because i talked with jiwon on the phone about the fuckshit my job is doing and i may have shouted at him/in his general direction bc i was so pissed off and he was being so quiet and trying to help me i feel very very bad about it actually
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what-even-is-sleep · 1 year
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Holy shit on the first episode of the owl house and I love it so much!!! It’s like gravity falls but all my interests and centered around a young girl AGHHHHHG I LOVE IT
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scottishstoner · 2 years
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I’m so weird but I love it
I just worked behind a bar at a busy racecourse for like 9 hours and I’m so fucking happy ???? I’m wasn’t even on drugs bro. I’m just happy ??? Doesn’t make sense but - I just enjoy being behind a bar??? Like serving keeping busy but also seeing happy faces like idk ofc there’s some shit but every job has their shit ya know. Idk I enjoy bar work
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bunieboo · 2 years
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i feel like a nigga could pop me on the side of my head w a plate n stomp on my face w timbs on n my ass would still lay up at night n wonder if he’ll come back n apologize like it’s not even weak in the knees at this point it’s just Stockholm syndrome
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bigtiddydevilbf · 4 months
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Ahhhhhh every time I hear dos oruguitas I cry like a bitch
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sapsolais · 7 months
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