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creatingblackcharacters · 3 hours

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"Let's Have a Talk, First"- Stereotypes, pt 1

Come sit down. You and I, before we get into any of the things I'm sure you're impatient to know: we need to have a come to Jesus talk, first.

There are some things that I've been asked and seen that strengthens my belief that we need to have a reframing of the conversation on stereotypes in media away from something as simple as "how do I find the checklist of stereotypes to avoid". Because race- and therefore racial stereotypes- is a complex construct! Stands to reason then, that seeing, understanding, and avoiding it won't be that simple! I'm going to give you a couple pointers to (hopefully) help you rethink your approach to this topic, and therefore how to apply it when you're writing Black characters- and even when thinking about Black people!

Point #1: DEVELOP THE CHARACTER!! WRITE!!

Excuse my crude language, but let me be blunt: Black people- and therefore Black characters- will get angry at things, and occasionally make bad choices in the heat of the moment. Some of us like to fuck real nasty, some might be dominant in the bedroom, they may even be incredibly experienced! Others of us succumb to circumstance and make poor decisions that lead to crime.

None of those things inherently makes any of us angry Black women and threatening Black men, Jezebels and BBC Mandingos, and gangsters and thugs!

Black people are PEOPLE! Write us as such!

If all Black characters ever did was go outside, say "hi neighbor!" and walk back in the house, we'd be as boring as racist fans often accuse.

I say this because I feel I've seen advice that I feel makes people think writing a Black character that… Emotes negatively, or gets hurt by life and circumstance, or really enjoys hard sex, or really any scenario where they might "look bad" is the issue. I can tell many people think "well if I write that, then it's a stereotype" and to avoid the difficulty, they'll probably end up writing a flat Black character or not writing them at all. Or- and I've seen this too- they'll overcompensate in the other direction, which reveals that they 'wrote a different sort of Black person!' and it comes off just as awkwardly because it means you think that the Black people that do these things are 'bad'. And I hate that, because we're capable of depth, nuance, good, evil, adventure, world domination, all of it!

My point is, if you write your character like the human being they are, while taking care to recognize that you as the writer are not buying into stereotypes with your OWN messaging, you're fine. We have emotions, we have motivations and goals, we make decisions, and we make mistakes, just like anybody else. Write that! Develop your character!

POINT #2: YOU CAN'T CONTROL THE READERS!!

Okay. You can write the GREATEST Black character ever, full of depth, love, nuance, emotional range, all those things…. And people are still going to be racist about them. Sorry. There is absolutely nothing you can do to control a reader coming from that place of bias you sought to avoid. If it's not there, TRUST AND BELIEVE, it'll be projected onto them.

That passionate young Black woman who told the MC to get her head out of her ass? Yeah she's an angry Black bitch now, and bully to the sweet white MC. Maybe a lesbian mommy figure if they like her enough to "redeem" her. That Black gay male lead that treats his partner like he worships the ground he walks on? Yeah he's an abusive thug that needs to die now because he disagreed One Time with his white partner. That Black trans woman who happened to be competing against the white MC, in a story where the white MC makes comparable choices? Ohhhh they're gonna be VILE about that poor woman.

It really hurts- most especially as a Black fan and writer- knowing that you have something amazing to offer (as a person and creative) and people are gonna spit on that and call it "preference". That they can project themselves onto white characters no matter what, but if you project your experiences onto black characters, it's "pandering", "self insert", "woke", "annoying", "boring", and other foul things we've all gotten comments of.

But expect that it's gonna happen when you write a Black character, again, especially if you're a Black writer. If you're not Black, it won't hurt as personally, but it will probably come as a shock when you put so much effort in to create a lovely character and people are just ass about them. Unfortunately, that is the climate of fandom we currently exist in.

My favorite example is of Louis De Pointe Du Lac from AMC's Interview With The Vampire. Louis is actually one of the best depictions of the existential horror that is being Black in a racist White world I have ever seen written by mostly nonblack people. It was timeless; I related to every single source of racist pain he experienced.

People were HORRIFIC about Louis.

It didn't matter that he was well written and what he symbolized; many white viewers did NOT LIKE this man. There's a level of empathy and understanding that Black characters in particular don't receive in comparison to white counterparts, and that's due to many of those stereotypes and systemic biases I'm going to talk about.

My point is, recognize that while yes, you as the author have a duty to write a character thoughtfully as you can, it's not going to stop the response of the ignorant. Writing seeking to get everyone to understand what you were trying to do… Sisyphean effort. It's better to focus on knowing that YOU wrote something good, that YOU did not write the stereotype that those people are determined to see.

POINT #3: WHY is something a stereotype?

While there are lists of stereotypes against Black people in media and life that can be found, I would appreciate if people stopped approaching it as just a list of things you can check off to avoid. You can know what the stereotypes are, sure, but if you don't understand WHY they're a problem and how they play into perception of us, you'll either end up writing a flat character trying to avoid that list, or you're going to write other things related to that stereotype because "oh its not item #1"... and it'll still be racist.

For example: if you wrote a "sassy Black woman" that does a z formation neck rotation just because a store manager asked her something… that's probably stereotype. If you thought of a character that needed to be "loudmouthed", "sassy", and "strong" and a dark-skinned black woman was automatically what fit the profile in your mind, ding ding ding! THAT'S where you need to catch your racist biases.

But a dark-skinned Black woman character cursing out a store manager because she's had a really bad, stressful day and their attitude towards her pushed her over the edge may be in the wrong, but she's not an "angry Black woman". She's a Black woman that's angry! And if you wrote the day she had to be as bad as would drive anyone to overstimulation and anxiety, the blow up will make sense! The development and writing behind her led to this logical point (which connects to point #1!)

I'm not going to provide a truly exhaustive list of Black stereotypes in media because that would ACTUALLY be worth a college credited class and I do this for free lmao. But I am going to provide some classic examples that can get y'all started on your own research.

POINT #4: WATCH BLACK NARRATIVES!

As always, I'm gonna push supporting Black creators, because that's the best way to see the range of what you'd like. You want to see Black villains? We got those! Black heroes? Black antiheroes? Assholes, lovers, comedians, depressed, criminals, kings, and more? They exist! You can get inspired by watching those movies and reading those books, see how WE depict us!

I've seen mixed reviews on it, BUT- I personally really enjoyed Swarm, because it was one of the first times I'd ever seen that "unhinged obsessed murderous Black fan girl" concept. Tumblr usually loves that shit lmao. Even the "bites you bites you bites you [thing I love]" thing was there. And she liked girls, too. Just saying. I thought it was a fun idea that I'd love to see more of. Y'all gotta give us a chance to be in these roles, to tell these tales. We can do it too, and you'd enjoy it if you tried to understand it!

POINT#5: You are NOT Black!

This is obvious lmao, but if you're not Black, there's no need to pretend. There's no need to think "oh well I have to get a 100% perfect depiction of the Black person's mind". That's… That's gonna look cringe, at its best. You don't have to do that in order to avoid stereotypes. You're not going to be able to catch every nuance because it's not your lived experience, nor is it the societally enforced culture. Just… Do what you can, and if you feel like it's coming off hokey… Maybe consider if you want to continue this way lol. If you know of any Black beta readers or sensitivity reviewers, that'd be a good time to check in!

For example, if your Black character is talking about "what's good my homie" and there's absolutely no reason for him to be speaking that way other than to indicate that he's Black… 😬 I can't stop you but… Are you sure?

An egregious example of a TERRIBLE way to write a Black character is the "What If: Miles Morales/Thor" comic. I want to emphasize the lack of good Black character design involved in some of these PROFESSIONAL art spaces, because that MARVEL comic PASSED QA!! That comic went past NUMEROUS sets of eyes and was APPROVED!! IT GOT RELEASED!! NO ONE STOPPED IT!!

I'm sorry, it was just so racist-ly bad that it was hilarious. Like you couldn't make that shit up.

Anyway, unfortunately that's how some of y'all sound trying to write AAVE. I promise that we speak the Queen's English too lmao. If you're worried you won't get it right, just use the standard form of English. It's fine! Personally, I'd much rather you do that than try to 'decode AAVE' if you don't know how to use it.

My point is, if you're actively "forcing" yourself to "think Black"… maybe you need to stand down and reconsider your approach lmao. This is why understanding the stereotypes and social environment behind them will help you write better, because you can incorporate that Blackness- without having to verbally "emphasize how Black this is"- into their character, motivations, and actions.

Conclusion

We need to reconsider how we approach the concepts of stereotypes when writing our Black characters. The goal is not to cross off a checklist of things to avoid per se, but to understand WHY we have to develop our Black characters well enough to avoid incorporating them into our writing. Give your Black characters substance- we're human beings! We have motivations and fears and desires! We're not perfect, but we're not inherently flawed because of our race. That's what makes the difference!

And as always, and really in particular for this topic, it's the thought that counts, but the action that delivers!

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kaldwinsart · 2 days

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“Beat your breasts, young maidens.

And tear your garments

in grief.” Had to draw Falin from the most recent Dungeon Meshi episode!

#delicious in dungeon #dungeon meshi #falin touden #dunmeshi falin #falin dungeon meshi #falin x marcille #laios #dunmeshi #marcille #She did nothing wrong and I love her #also fuck drawing ritual circles #but like marcille I'd gladly commit great crimes against humanity for her #my art #kaldwinsart #dunmesh spoilers

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workersolidarity · 3 days

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INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS CALL FOR INVESTIGATION INTO MASS GRAVES, CIVIL DEFENSE WILL COOPERATE, SIGNS OF TORTURE ON BODIES IN GAZA

Gaza's Civil Defense ministry says it will cooperate with any independent investigation into the recent discovery of three mass graves containing hundreds of disfigured, decomposing bodies at the Nasser Medical Complex in Khan Yunis, in Gaza's south.

Mohammed al-Moghier, a member of the Palestinian Civil Defense, said his teams were prepared to compile an evidential report for an independent investigation in the crimes, telling reporters that "this can be the foundation for work to be conducted by an international investigation committee."

"We are ready to help their work in order to push the Israelis to refrain from committing crimes against people in Gaza,” al-Moghier is quoted as saying.

The horrific discovery was made following the withdrawal of Israeli occupation forces (IOF) from the Khan Yunis area, after which three mass graves were found in the courtyard of the hospital complex.

At least 392 decomposing corpses have been recovered from the three mass graves so far, with only a fraction having been identified at the time of publishing.

Meanwhile, the spokesperson for the United Nations Secretary General, Stephane Dujarric, told Al-Jazeera News that while the international organization is collecting information on the mass graves, a mandate from the UN's legislative body would be required before evidence could be taken into custody.

“We’ve called for an international investigation. How that will take place? It’s unclear at this time. There are certain parts of this organisation that have the authority to do that,” Dujarric said.

“In the meantime, it’s important that all forensic evidence be well preserved,” Dujarric added.

The horrific discovery of the three mass graves is only the start, large numbers of the recovered bodies show signs of torture, reports say that 10 bodies had their hands bound, while at least 20 of the bodies showed signs they were buried alive, according the findings of a preliminary investigation.

While the international community has showed disgust and horror at the discovery, human rights organizations are calling on the Israeli occupation to allow investigators into the Gaza Strip.

In comments published on Al-Jazeera News, Donatella Rovera, a senior advisor with Amnesty International said, “the expertise, the skills, the resources – such as the ability to carry out DNA tests – none of that is available [in Gaza], and to make matters worse, there is the constant bombardment."

“Where there is evidence of a crime committed yesterday, it may be destroyed by a bombardment committed today,” she added.

According to Amnesty International, human rights investigators haven't been allowed into Gaza for many years.

“Something can be done immediately. That is for the Israeli authorities to allow independent investigators in immediately. If they have nothing to hide, they should have no reason in preventing them getting into Gaza,” Rovera concluded.

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nixnephili · 15 hours

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Psychological Notes - Nikolai Gogol - BSD

These are some simple notes on his psychology

I've done a little analysis on Fyodor in the past. Which you can read here:

Some S4 SPOILERS (nothing huge, tho)

HPD - Histrionic Personality Disorder.

I think anyone who is familiar with HPD can identify Nikolai with it immediately. On a more broad spectrum, he's a near embodiment of HPD.

Histrionic Personality Disorder main Symptoms:

- the constant need for attention/ attention seeking behavior (ex: mannerisms that seek attention, clothing that seeks attention, a specific way of speaking that seeks attention)

- being uncomfortable /physically uncomfortable in situations in which the individual is not the center of attention

- being overly provocative/ seductive

-displaying emotions that seem to be shallow and change rapidly/ do not remain consistent

- speaking vaguely, lacking detail

- being easily influenced by others or circumstances

Considering relationships to be much more intimate than they actually are

On that last point, it brings special attention to Nikolai and his behaviors in S4

His 'friendship' with Fyodor might very well exist only in his head. Fyodor allows him to entertain the delusion to keep him under some flimsy emotional obligation Nikolai sets up for himself. Though, as we've seen, he matches the symptoms as far as shallow and inconsistent emotions go. In one scene, he rejoices over reuniting with Fyodor, and the other, he sends him off to a very possible death.

Nikolai is very eccentric. Going out of his way for flare and drama. Although, on par with HPD, whenever his attention seeking behavior is ignored or doesn't receive the reaction he needed or expected, he either can become distressed or escalate his antics greatly.

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A scene that's very memorable and relevant for Nikolai is his: "I'm completely sane" scene.

I doubt that I need to come in here and tell you that this is very unlikely to be true.

To break this down... there is the notion of "sane or Insane Homicide". That refers to circumstantial points. Sane homicide would imply an act of self-defense or perhaps an accident. The person who committed the homicide was a victim of circumstance or negligence. They had no choice, where survival came first, and they needed to protect themselves or others against another human being that was threatening the individual's life. This presents a completely sane person commuting homicide out of need for survival or prevention of harm to oneself or others.

Insane Homicide would go down the path of a crime committed more out of a 'want' than a 'need'.

Nikolai is not physically forced or obligated to commit the murders and atrocities he is responsible for. He isn't trapped or manipulated (as he hates brainwashing by default i doubt he'd allow himself to be a part of it).

Though if I were to assume, Nikolai could be experiencing a compulsion. This refers to an action that the brain feels a pressing NEED to do. If not, Nikolai may feel uncomfortable or feel physically unwell. Compulsions are most often the results of the brain's desire to cure an obsession.

If you are obsessed with germs or cleanliness, you may feel the compulsive need to wash your hands very often. The obsession causes you to be anxious and overthink -> so your brain tries to resolve that obsession every time it occurs, through that compulsion to wash up.

Nikolai is obsessed with freedom. Complete and utter freedom from the world, society, feelings, and existence. To be truly free. His brain could be trying to resolve this obsession by compulsively 'freeing' people (murdering them) from feelings and, therefore, existence. Nikolai temporarily resolves his obsession with freedom by compulsively freeing those around him. If that obsession in his mind isn't resolved, he can not function. The brain needs and wants to function, so it resolves it repeatedly. Because what resolved it once will resolve it every time. And if the obsession can't be resolved, Nikolai grows uneasy and uncomfortable.

Much like a person who can not control their own mind and life, and compulsively chooses to control other's.

#nixnephili #bungou stray dogs #bsd season 4 #bsd fanart #bsd headcanons #decay of angels #bungou stray dogs fanart #nikolai bsd #nikolai gogol #bsd nikolai #bsd nikolai gogol #gogol bsd #bungou stray dogs gogol #bsd gogol

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clodiuspulcher · 2 years

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once again everyone thinking ‘past good’ is foolishly and arrogantly unable to image themselves as among the 50% of children who did not live into adulthood

#maybe im just biomedicine pilled but please god get a grip #before about eighty years ago every single person with type one diabetes died #they just died as children or adolescents or sometimes young adults #there was nothing you could do except watch your child die a slow and painful death #waste away into nothing #dead certain that like the richest thirteenth century noblewoman or whatever would give up all her wealth and luxury #to live in a world where smallpox had been eradicated and she didn't have to fear for her childrens lives #kim wexler voice picture it... REALLY picture it #a world without vaccines sanitation anesthetics antibiotics antivirals blood transfusions #chemotherapy immunotherapy radiation treatment x rays CT scans MRIS #without a basic knowledge of how diseases are spread and where they come from without antimalarias and antihelminthics #without any sort of meaningful medical testing without surgeries or anything like the ability to medically transition it #you literally cannot imagine it #and of course the fact that our medical advancements aren't available to everyone across the world because of capitalism is horrific #it is nothing if not a crime against humanity #but that problem won't be solved by pretending cornelia mother of the gracchi wouldn't have chosen to live #in a world where 9 of her 12 children didn't die if she could #9 out of 12 children. god. really picture it. can you?#i can't and i am thankful for that

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4ft10tvlandfangirl · 4 months

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Had to share this one because brother did God's work answering a question I know many of us had; how many times was KHamas mentioned today? 😅 Interestingly, I thought the number would be higher.

#hamzah saadah #south africa vs israel #international court of justice #gaza #free gaza #palestine #free palestine #endisraelsgenocide #gaza genocide #nothing excuses genocide #current events #social justice #justice for palestine #tw child death #war crimes #crimes against humanity #ethnic cleansing

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fancygremlin · 1 year

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My contribution to the fandom.

#rottmnt #rise raph #rise leo #rise donnie #rise mikey #rottmnt meme #rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles #I edited this using PicCollage because I have nothing else to edit stuff with which basically means I committed a crime against humanity

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ventiswampwater · 10 months

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Griffin Dunne as Jack Goodman in An American Werewolf in London (1981)

#baby angel babyBABY loml.png #this is MY hellblog and I WILL be making 48737432874 individual posts about this man!!!!#we are past the point of no return!!!! FAR PAST IT!!!!! lmao #an american werewolf in london #jack goodman #griffin dunne #gore #body horror #<-all simulated fx body horror/gore #mine #real canon fact: his horrific wounds aren't actually from being mauled by a weeeirhheeerewolf #they're from the sheer force and whiplash of me hoovering him down. dyson vaccum vroom vroom whirr whirr style on sight #to SHREDS!!!!! you say!!!!!#anyways!! wow incredible!! can't believe i wrote those last three tags in invisible ink!!!#u know when people are like. my fave fictional guy did nothing wrong!!!#and they are talkin about a man who breaks the geneva conventions every other nanosecond #and is guilty of 734298439 crimes against humanity and good taste #which like no harm no foul. that's 37847382734 of my favorite characters. but this guy???#he TRULY did nothing wrong and I'm kissing him always for that #he's like. the most guy of guys every. just a Guy. literally just a dude. just a Human Male™.#and he's my favorite!!!!! tysm for asking!!!!!!

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coco0milkshake · 4 months

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Nine! About time I drew him

#my son! (is only like 7 yrs older than him)#sonic prime #nine the fox #tails nine #miles nine prower #sonic prime nine #him and his many tags #ibispaintx #digital art #artwork #my art #as you can see I’ve given up on line art cuz my lines are never straight (and neither am I)#when drawing him I just realized how complex his design is like omg #I struggled #I’m still not over that trailer he’s off his rockers he’s going insane he has done nothing wrong ever cuz I said so #I’m still pissed at sonic for saying that line #when he says ‘he messes with all of us’ does that include the chaos council???#I hope not they were they literally committed crimes against humanity #the council are only working with them for selfish reasons and are only looking out for themselve #so yeah I am now taking custody of nine because of that line #oh sonic doesn’t want him anymore? ok then mine now #don’t talk to me or my son ever again #sonic prime fanart

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thatrandombystander · 4 months

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Are you fucking kidding me. With all this pinkwashing propaganda the Israeli state puts out about how they will protect and cherish LGBT+ rights unlike those evil homophobic Palestinians which is why you should let us genocide them

SAME-SEX MARRIAGE ISN'T EVEN LEGAL IN ISRAEL??????

#COMPLETELY MORALLY BANKRUPT #YOUR PINKWASHING PROPAGANDA HAS NOTHING TO STAND ON #this is just fucking insulting.#y'know. on top of the genocide and crimes against humanity being enacted onto the Palestinian peoples at a horrific and unconscionable rate #zionists in my activity feed will be blocked on sight.#and so will antisemites. there is a difference between a political state and the people it claims to represent #i condemn the israeli state and the individuals which support it.#but this does not extend to all israelis (and/or all jewish peoples whom israel claims to represent)#as there are many good people all across the world who are represented by institutions #that are at odds with their individual views and ideologies #no shitfuckery in my notes please.#current events #palestine #ramblings of a bystander

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inkquiry · 1 year

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president of the norman osborn hate club

#doc ock #USM doc ock #usm Otto Octavius #spider-man #usm #otto octavius #greasy greasy man. fueled by hate.#nothing after the iron octopus happens sorry!#what do you mean the heroes dismiss his accusations of norman by calling him delusional? no they don’t! (/s)#whole show would go different if this guy didn’t spiral into vengeful madness unsupervised and commit crimes against humanity

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jotunvali02 · 5 months

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Please STOP talking about Israel state and the Hamas as if they were equals.

As if they had an equal firepower, equal strength and equal means of defense.

As if a fucking genocide is proportional to the murder of a thousand people or the “right” answer to it.

STOP saying "Israel-Palestine conflict" when a "conflict" implies equality and there is obvioulsy none here.

Like, Israel invaded Palestinians and massacred them and kicked them out, Israel treat them like shit and you expect them NOT to defend themselves?

You expected them to shut up and let themselves be nicely, ethnically cleansed?

And then YOU Israel supremacists have the fucking nerve to claim YOU're the innocent, blameless victim when the Hamas attacks you?? And to claim Palestinians are your assaulters?

You assert Israel has "a right to defend itself"?? Are you kidding the fucking world?? Defense from what?? You're not defending, you're MASSACRING, you're SLAUGHTERING, you're BULLYING and EXTERMINATING!

ISRAEL is the one in and with power! ISRAEL the oppressor! ISRAEL is committing genocide! ISRAEL is the war criminal and the criminal against humanity!

Hamas tries to defend and liberate their country. In awful ways, but it's not like they were ever given a choice! (except extermination and submission)

Yet it's only THEIR violence that's constantly condemned, never YOURS which is though a billion times worse in terms of destruction and mass murder! Never YOURS that triggered THEIRS in the first place!!

THEIR violence is terrible but totally legitimate. YOURS is one of a bully, an oppressor and a colonizer.

#fuck israel #free palestine #fuck colonizers #victim blaming #hypocrisy #stop acting as if #israel has done nothing wrong #it HAS and not just once #israel is a terrorist state #israel is a war criminal #crime against humanity #palestine #hamas #bullying #gaslighting #genocide #nakba

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awesomecooperlove · 5 months

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THE MOST FAMOUS CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION THE « WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM »

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#you will own nothing #you will rent everything #15 minutes cities #drones will control #restrain and kill #wef #the silent enslavement of humanity #crimes against humanity #these people are evil #corruption #speaktruth #fight for justice #standup #speak up #truth #please share #wwg1wga

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spicyicymeloncat · 6 months

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Okay here’s another controversial “Green family take” tell me if I’m wrong.

“People who hate Harumi and Lloyd family dynamic ignore that Lloyd and Morro also shouldn’t have a family dynamic, when Morro did the exact same thing”

Because besties I agree I honestly think green cousins doesn’t make much sense either since yknow Morro and the whole possession thing, but at the same time if you look at canon, they just aren’t the same thing and yknow I need people to actually stop looking at Harumi as the girl version of Morro and the only reason we hate her is because she’s a girl.

Because she’s not.

Like yes I agree there’s definitely a lot of bias towards Morro, if he was woman he would be demonised to hell and back but since he’s man then he is adored, and vice versa with Harumi and sexism fucking sucks.

But Harumi and Morro are different guys. Harumi is portrayed as worse in canon in Lloyd’s eyes. Yeah Lloyd got possessed by Morro and that’s obviously bad tm but other than what people assume possession entails, Lloyd was never as shaken as he was with Harumi.

In s5, we never saw Lloyd be conflicted about the possession thing. He had no fear of Morro. We have no reason to believe that a ghost possession feels worse than being a sleep and maybe having a vague awareness of what’s going on. He barely mentions Morro after s5. And I will say I think this is a writing flaw, obviously it would’ve been cooler if Morro actually had some kind of impact on the ninja, but regardless this is the canon. Lloyd hates Morro but he’s not traumatised yknow. It’s not to the point that Harumi got to.

I feel like getting possessed should be worse than getting lied to, but Harumi did on top of it, start a cult in his name, Kill actual Characters (the royal family and Hutchins) and then kidnap Lloyd and his mother and his uncle and then resurrect his father removing vital parts of his father’s mind/personality/emotional cognitive abilities etc. on top of that she also nearly killed the ninja and wu (which Lloyd believed she did).

Somehow she was much more dangerous than Morro was, she was a much more successful villain.

Additionally I would say Morro has more of an excuse to be seen as family, even if I I’m less of a green cousins fan. Because Morro and Wu actually have a father son relationship, in which Wu was actually responsible over Morro. They had a normal albeit imperfect dynamic before Morro left. Regardless of Lloyd and Morro’s interactions, that dynamic was still present even in the very end.

It doesn’t mean and Lloyd and Morro have to be buddies, just because there’s a family connection doesn’t mean shit (this is the show of found family have we learned nothing? Blood connections don’t matter, only friendship).

But like in comparison to Harumi and Garmadon’s absolute parody of a relationship, where Harumi turns to the man who doesn’t remember what love is and asks him to be her father (at this point neither of them know what “father” even means), Morro does have a family dynamic and Harumi does not.

So in response to the original quote, Morro has a much more solid claim to any kind of family dynamic bc his relation to Wu is much more family esq, and also he was bad yeah, but the show portrays Harumi as worse especially in Lloyd’s opinion.

I just don’t like the argument that Morro and Harumi have done the same things, when the severity is definitely different imo and they aren’t just copies of each other. Imo it’s an oversimplification to reduce their characters down to each other.

#u heard it here first #spicy is not the biggest fan of green cousins or Garmadon siblings #sorry #if ppl make good content for it then I’ll let it slide but generally not a fan #i feel bad for saying it but I guess I really just don’t like Harumi as much #i feel like whenever people talk about Harumi it’s always ‘oh you hate her cuz ur sexist’#no I hate her because I don’t like how she’s written or how her character is established #like Ik some people like her backstory but I just don’t #it just feels like the writers went ‘let’s blame the characters for no reason’#and I’m just so sick of the evil love interest trope I hate it so much and that is what Harumi is on s8 #because it’s happened 3 times now #THREE #PIXAL SKYLOR HARUMI #It’s that mindset of women are evil they’ll seduce you with their crimes against human nature #okay that tag is gonna sound very appealing to the gays on here but like in the context of the show it’s just demonising women #like take out the romance aspect and fix Harumi’s backstory and maybe I’d like her more #i will say Morro is badly written also he does nothing interesting really other than his backstory #i like what he means about wu but like they do not even explore that dynamic much in the show #he’s like an unopened present #his set up is so good but they don’t do shit with it #idk idk #obviously all my opinions #ninjago

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