second time watching OTGW and I might be losing my mind
I'm just rewatching this masterpiece most certainly NOT on internet archive and certainly probably not silently dying because the first time I saw this I only saw the way Wirt's selfishness was being pruned out of him by the Fae world, and I only saw the grief on the Woodsman's side, but there's so
There's so much else to see on the second time through
Like the frog? George Washington? Being able to speak English when all the other frogs can't and yet not being able to speak English when it's just him and the humans? He's sort of a look into Greg's point of view? And he's this point of weird messed up communication because he's something Wirt and Greg were supposed to find together, hunting frogs like bros n stuff
But it was kind of half done; Wirt didn't want to be a part of that adventure and he was focused on Sara for all of the duration of it. Greg did most of the work, so that's why Washington reflects him most (he can communicate to everyone, but those of his own species speak a different language than him and seem to miss his points)
I'm sorry I'm thinking too hard into this but BUT IT WARRANTS THIS
AND THE WAY THAT UH
THE BELL GIRL
SHE'S KIND OF A FORESHADOWING TO THE WAY THE LAMP HANDLES PEOPLE
HOLDING ONTO HER ILLNESS AND TRYING TO DROWN IT WITH WORK ONLY MAKES THINGS WORSE, JUST AS HOLDING ONTO GRIEF AND TRYING TO DROWN IT WITH WORK MAKES IT WORSE
SHE AND THE WOODSMAN ARE HORRIBLY ALIKE BUT WIRT TRUSTS HER MORE BECAUSE SHE RESEMBLES SOMETHING MORE HUMAN
AND THAT NEEDS TO BE SLAPPED OUT OF HIM, THE FAE CANT OPERATE UNDER THAT
Also I didn't realize how much Wirt actually seems to love Greg
Like yeah he's selfish
But that's very much towards the back half of the episodes, and by then he's genuinely had his trust shattered and he's struggling to carry burdens and Greg doesn't get that because he sees the world completely differently, he's got zero preconceived notions burned into him
Wirt has notions, he's old enough for it
And he's kind of hampered by them
Only looking at this twice did I actually see the fog that he steps into in the eighth episode, the genuine fog, and how he kind of shuts down
It's... depression?
And Greg's response is that of a kid who doesn't understand depression in the least because he just isn't old enough to have run up against it yet
I get the sense that Greg asked the lady of dreams to make him take Wirt's place, or something like that, but he has no idea what he's stepping into
Greg is so much smaller and it's really not his role to be the big brother
The beast (who could represent a whole host of stuff like depression? Fear? Self-flagellation?) demands he do impossible things and reach impossible goals and Greg does them at first but then he gets so worn out because it's so hard to sustain a beast like that
So he ends up completely immobilized by these vines of atrocious levels of fear? And he's so tiny? and he's never been through something like that
While Wirt, for all his faults, is hardened by his failures and fears to the degree that he can look his grief in the face and say "I'm not indulging you; your move."
Faerie changes Greg in a sense because it exposes him to realities that he doesn't fit, but he really doesn't seem to retain the effects of these negative realities. That or they simply don't affect him back in the human world. I mean Greg is a champ at seeing eldritch terrors and going "aw hey there, Barnaby! :D" and moving on with the retention span of a happy cucumber so maybe he just did that again. Maybe he still doesn't necessarily get the line between a bad dream and a deep truth. But I kind of get the sense he wasn't as deeply affected because the trip into Faerie wasn't for him.
Wirt, though, went through the classic Faerie-story process of being taken down to his lowest point in order to find himself, and that experience absolutely stayed with him.
I just remembered that Wirt and Greg jump out of a cemetery as the first step to get into the Unknown and the way it goes is Wirt cries "that's it, this is the end" like the drama queen he is and Greg immediately interprets this and jumps off the wall a moment before Wirt does
Greg knew a moment before Wirt moved that Wirt was going to jump, so he jumped first
He never ever hesitates to follow/lead his brother into deep trouble because he
Greg just
He has no concept of fear
Sssssssssaaaaaaaaa
They enter through water, and when they go back, they're returning through water.
It reeks so hard of baptism/rebirth symbolism and I'm scrambling to grasp all of it
Also the fact that Quincy Endecott has a gravestone in that cemetery
So he really is a ghost, humanly speaking ❤️
Mm
Yeah I just really love this show to my bones and I cannot wait to look into more of it and scrape more thoughts together
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was just watching the little making-of from the over the garden wall dvd (which you too can watch here, you're welcome) and noticed something that got my brain whirring. they show a page of script with some draft lines for adelaide's conversation with beatrice and this line stood out to me:
ADELAIDE: I WANT A CHILD SERVANT!
MY HORRIBLE SISTER HAS ONE, AND I WANT ONE TOO!
(ALT) MY HORRIBLE SISTER HAS ONE AND SHE DOESN'T EVEN NEED ONE!
she's referencing auntie whispers and lorna! in the final version of the script, adelaide never alludes to them, though whispers tells wirt and greg to beware of her sister adelaide (an episode too late). and i just think it's interesting because while it's unnecessary info and that's probably why it was cut, it tells use a lot about adelaide that she sees lorna as auntie whisper's servant and not, as lorna herself puts it, her family.
i mean we never learn in the show how lorna ended up living with auntie whispers, but i've always parsed it as lorna being her ward and patient both; whispers is magically treating the symptoms of her "illness" with the bell, and that's why when the spirit is banished from lorna, whispers mourns that lorna "won't be needing old auntie whispers anymore to look after [her]." and of course lorna very sweetly refuses that idea and affirms they are family, and they hug, so we know that just like appearances were deceiving as to who was the "people-eater," the appearance of lorna wanting to escape her auntie was also deceiving. she just wanted to not be trapped, to have companionship and freedom. but now that she can have it, we realize there's no entrapment in their home at all, only a difficult love for one another!
the fact that adelaide doesn't understand their relationship at all and only sees lorna as a servant, or, interpreting further, as a luxury item that whispers has while she does not... it reveals a lot about her coldness and cruelty! the final script of this scene obviously bursts the "good woman of the woods" bubble pretty quickly as it is, but how telling this glimpse into her mind would have been! it immediately clues us in on her envy, her lack of love, her petulance. also this would have been in ep. 6, before the audience meets lorna or whispers, so it would have been a little foreshadowing of the subject of the next episode!
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