#seeing fandom discourse is so annoying

[lumiilys]

POV: You are taking measures to be able to look for stolitz art in peace

#I’m glad people have the decency to tag it at least #and I’m not saying people can’t criticise! #But some people seem to only engage with vivzie’s stuff from a place of hatred #and that’s annoying #I am begging people to stop engaging with things they hate it isn’t healthy #ANYWAY #I’m ranting cause it’s annoying to have to scroll past angry posts when I just wanna see cool art #ALSO IF YOU ARE HB CRITICAL DONT COME AT ME #i /have/ seen a lot of valid criticism #and I think it’s stupid that ppl will attack people for any kind of negative opinion #it’s just #seeing fandom discourse is so annoying #I’m just here to have fun #wish tumblr wouldn’t include those posts in the main tag but whatever #thanks for tagging them at least #helluva boss #stolitz #Ollie rambles #sorry for this btw I don’t usually wanna put discourse on ppls gls #*tls #this is why I don’t wanna join new fandoms anymore hahahah #found my safe corner for the last 2 years

[hadesoftheabyss]

"We need more gay ships that include people of color!"

The Spiderverse Fandom: does that

"Actually no, don't do that. In fact stop touching people of color and forcing themselves into gay ships!"

#i love pavbie and all ive seen is discourse of them #ya'll annoying #never happy #in the future when someone brings this stuff up and im gonna point to what the spiderverse fandom did to its queer ships with poc #this applies to punkflower too #ya'll making people finally have gay black love and trying have discourse over it #spiderman across the spiderverse #across the spiderverse #hobie x pavitr #punkflower #pavbie #chaiflower #discourse #i hate discourse #but its so sad to see whats happening #creators cant even have fun anymore

[mayadoesfandomstuff]

Had to block hazbin hotel as a tag because holy shit the amount of ship discourse coming in to the aroace tag because of Alastor was way too much like ffs some of them weren't even tagged as hazbin hotel so I still have to see some of those posts even if I block it out

please for the ever loving fuck TAG YOUR FUCKING HAZBIN HOTEL SHIP DISCOURSE POSTS

THOG DON'T CARE IF THE DEMON FUCK OR DON'T FUCK FOR FUCKS SAKE LET ME BROWSE THE AROACE TAG IN PEACEEE

#mayaposts #rant #hazbin hotel critical #hazbin hotel fandom critical #fandom critical #shipping discourse #ship #vivziepop critical #this discourse is also primarily the reason why i never reengaged with hazbin after watching the pilot #im so tired pleaseeee #this shit is so much more annoying than those bots that keep spamming valentine's day in the tags #at least tag it as hazbin if you want to co-opt the main aroace tag so i dont have to see it ffs

[chuplayswithfire]

Nuance is something that can be soooo hard for online spaces to hold onto. Hell, offline spaces too, for that matter. Today I'm thinking about kink and the concept of kinkshaming, when I think about nuance: that people should be allowed to enjoy and engage with kink, especially in fictional and fandom spaces where even bad kink etiquette can't actually harm anyone should be a given. Personally, as long as someone is tagging correctly and creating with self awareness, anything goes in a fictional space, you do you, your content deserves to exist online. I have personally created a variety of kinky works, both publicly available and not, and would really not have a leg to stand on trying to declare otherwise. In a time where people are cracking down heavily on kink and trying to decry it as deviance that shouldn't exist, being kink positive can be a very important, good thing.

At the same time though, the people have squicks, and when it comes to kink and a good culture towards sex in general, people have to be allowed to have squicks. If anyone's hearing the term for the first time, a squick is essentially a concept that just grosses you right out, you do not want to see it, you do not want to learn more, maybe it even distresses you to see it, but not to the extent that you would consider ot triggering content. A couple of common tend to bodily excrement: piss and shit, alongside guro (extensive bodily mutilation combined with sexual imagery). A squick doesn't have to be extreme, it doesn't have to be unusual, it's just something that grosses an individual out, and they don't want to see it. (And because this is tumblr and it must be said: no, racism is not a squick.)

Sometimes, we lean so heavily into the negative that we refuse to allow positivity. Sometimes, we get so into positivity, that we refuse to acknowledge negatives. People are allowed to talk about their squicks. If people see something that grosses them out, they don't have to shut up about it just because it's someone else's kink. Kinkshaming, the idea that someone would go up to someone else and tell them they're gross for their kink, is something people shouldn't do in general. But expressing disgust and distaste for a kink in general isn't kinkshaming - that's just talking about your squick.

Your Kink Is Not My Kink And That's Okay is about not hating on other people or demanding their works not exist because you hate the kink, not pretending that you find every kink, fetish, or sexual concept totally wonderful and would never react with disgust towards one. This idea in fandom that if you don't like something you should never say anything publicly because what if someone does like that thing, and is upset that you publicly don't like that thing, is ridiculous, and it has been for a while. Negative emotions have a place in fandom, especially in regard to sexual content. You shouldn't harass people who share a kink (especially when their content is tagged this is why everyone should read the tags) - but you also shouldn't go around saying people aren't allowed to use their own online space to process their disgust.

I've been seeing a lot of people lately saying anyone discussing how much they dislike a kink concept is just a kinkshamer, an anti, the purity police, and it's getting beyond ridiculous. We have the right to engage in kink, to write about kink, to make kinky art, create audio for it, and to in general delight in all kinds of kinky works. We also have the responsibility to make sure we're tagging correctly. Others have the right to dislike kink, including our own kinks, and to talk about how much they dislike those kinks. They have the responsibility to make sure they're curating correctly, that they're reading the tags and warnings on a work, and that they work out their negative responses in their own space.

Multiple things can be true: kink is a great way to explore sexuality and desire and a wide range of topics. people deserve to share their interest in kink without harassment or being belittled. one person's joy can be another person's squick. people deserve to share their squick without harassment or being belittled.

#been seeing some annoying kink discourse for a WHILE #the fact that purity police are always trying to go after kink has made some people have this #calcified response of if you don't react to every kink with interest or neutral respect then you're kinkshaming and an anti #if we want to bring back the useage of terms like squick you have to accept that people will also openly talk about their squicks #and in much less than positive terms #and that's fine! #fandom dicosurse #Even if actually this goes beyond fandom because I definitely see some people being annoying like this in real life too #the number of people I have known who are snide and dismissive towards anyone who's having what they see as vanilla sex #the number of people I have known react with visceral disgust if someone's having anything but so called vanilla sex #We have to move away from this idea that you can only talk about things in neutral or positive tones #being negative about something is perfectly fine as long as you are respectful towards others

[qtubbo]

The amount of people saying blues using unfair strategy again, and are being cruel for wanting to destroy green’s base when red has destroyed green and blue bases?????

#The endless unescapable nightmare #Also im seeing way to many people talking about how roier and etoiles are annoying #It is upsetting me greatly :[ you dont deserve them #Blues so evil for going to destroy reds base while kind red has only used the bounty hunting mechanic to hunt down bad and not let #Him do anything for the entire day because their so nice #Discourse #red team neg #fandom neg #neg #qsmp fandom neg #Val haterisms #qsmp #Literally any other neg tags I need anything else?????

[antimony-medusa]

Okay so inspired by nothing in particular (it's inspired by reading the notes on the ace swag final poll, fun stuff in there), I have been thinking about being Cringe. Cause like, you enter a fandom, and usually, you find out shortly that somebody else hates that fandom. There is no fandom niche enough that it's not Weird to somebody, and there's no fandom mainstream enough that it's not Annoying to somebody else. And given the fact that some people do hatred recreationally, there's often going to be somebody mad enough about your fandom that they're going to go on diatribes about how your fandom is bad and actually harmful and destroying the fabric of civilization, etc. They're gonna pull out anything negative and blow it up until it's the size of the skyline and attack you for liking this negative thing.

Fun times, we've all seen it.

And the thing is, there's an impulse to have this happen and immediately find somebody else to point to and say, yeah, well, I might be weird, but at least I'm not THAT guy. I might read YA, but at least I'm not a Furry— those guys are sexual deviants! I might be into actual play podcasts, but at least I'm not into mcyt— those guys are all harmful and my guy is fine. I might be into danmei, but at least I'm not into bandom— rpf is so gross. I might be a furry, but at least I'm not into mainstream romance novels— senseless drivel aimed at middle class white women. Y'know. Immediately find someone to punch down on.

And boy do I understand why you want to do that, when people are pointing at you, but I don't actually think that it's helpful.

Cause like, every fandom has a logical train of thought and reasonable human impulses behind it. You might not share those impulses— I'm not a furry I don't think, I don't really get true crime— but that doesn't mean I can't have it explained to me by a very patient person in in the writer's workshop common room and go "oh, yeah, kinda pretending to be an animal, but you're gay about it, yeah, makes sense", or "oh yeah, morbid curiosity from the safety of your headphones, it's like a horror movie but real" and nod. Like there isn't a fandom or group out there that doesn't look weird from the outside, and there isn't a fandom or group that can't be explained if someone has thought about the human psyche enough.

And that isn't to say that there isn't sometimes salient critiques for what fandoms are doing or not doing— to grab the two examples above, I have heard people talking about issues with true crime reinforcing the current fucked up justice system, or bigotry at furry cons. But a) most of the time, there is already somebody inside that community that's fighting against those issues, and you just threw them under the bus with the problem they're trying to fix b) you don't usually know the nuances of the actual conversation and problems, you saw a couple callout posts. You saying "Yeah I'm a board game nerd but at least I don't play competitive trading card cames, those guys are doing nothing but feeding the capitalist machine" is not usually helpful towards fixing the ctg scene. It's just a cheap way to score points.

Like, I assure you that the YA scene is aware of the calcification of the genre into a tighter and tighter romantic form and their dependence on going big on tik-tok to sell enough to keep publishing. They know.

You specifically saying that your fandom is better cause it's not [problems you heard about other fandom having] is not actually going to make the person who's hating on you stop hating. They already decided that you're the person they're better than and that they're punching down on, you passing the punching down on to another fandom just makes more people sad on the internet, and potentially starts yet another chain of someone punching down at someone else. The wheel grinds on, everybody gets punched.

I guess this is just kinda turning into a "why hate on the internet, what good does that do" post, which is broader than I meant it to be. But like, there's a difference between thoughtful critique of problems (complicated to do fairly but very necessary) and finding someone new to curbstomp to make yourself feel better/morally superior (look, I'm writing this on a mcyt blog, we've all seen this happen, it does not increase the joy in the world).

Like in MCYT, we all decide to punch down on [other server we hate], or RPF, or people who write kidfic, or people who write e-rated fic/art, or people doing the popular trope of the moment, and sure, it lets you feel morally superior for the moment, at the cost of slapping the guy next to you. Haven't we had enough slapping the guy next to you? There but for the grace of god (got a fun idea/watched the wrong stream/ended up in the wrong brainstorming circle/got fixated on the wrong funny guy) goes I. You're not better than another group just because you saw a couple more callout posts (usually from people inside the community trying to fix things) about them.

We are all Cringe. There is nobody who's not Cringe. Don't say that you're not Cringe because someone else is more Cringe. Stop that.

#discourse #This is another thing where the public/private rule applies too I think #cause social media is public and what you do there is governed by different politeness rules #walking into your friend's dms and saying GOD I AM SO ANNOYED BY [other fandom] is a normal human impulse #posting that where other people can see that is potentially much more like shouting in the face of a random person #idk this is potentially something where me having a thousand followers is warping the perspective #cause I try to be really aware of the fact that who knows what people who see my posts are into #there's nobody I can throw under the bus and not have them see it #if you have eight followers all of which you know #you're much more effectively in a private space #idk #boy reading the tags on that ace swag poll was kinda a Oh Yeah They Really Hate Us moment #I forgot that cause I was just happy over here #but boy are we still an internet's favoured punching bag #and I just think making an effort to not continue to punching bag people might be good #fandom meta

[tariah23]

I rly don’t see how ppl be 20+ shipping kids anymore tbh… like, it’s so rampant and I don’t see the appeal to it anymore being as tho I’m in my late 20’s.

#I’m grown….. it always baffles me to see it like man I don’t care I don’t find joy in it anymore since I’m not a teenager #I just look at them and think they’re like my fake son… daughter nephew niece whatever lol #give me the struggling and mentally fucked up 20+ year old give me those middle age bitches man if I’m going to like a ship now anyway #like i don’t care about the romance between kids man it sucks that this is such a huge thing in most fandom spaces #not that I participate in said spaces since ppl are annoying and embarrassing #also very nasty #sns is diff tho like that’s a whole other thing 🪽 #sns is just a classic it’s legendary it transcends space and time it it- #I’m so glad that jjk is full of adults tho lmfaoo #one of Gege’s only W’s… especially impressive for a shounen #i like jjk outside of the goiji pairings too like I just genuinely enjoy it despite how awful it is now lol #again #I do think that ppl need to learn how to become more comfortable with enjoying media outside of shipping tho #like there’s nothing wrong with it obviously but I’m talking more like how tons of ppl only get into a new series for the sole purpose #of shipping instead of engaging with said media and the story that it’s trying to tell… #this is why fanon and wild insane hc’s usually get out of control too to the point where those who might be interested in checking out #a series might be deterred because they don’t even know what the show is about because the only stuff that ppl see about the thing is ship #stuff and like discourse #and the behavior of the fans… #these ppl be 30+ arguing with teenagers man it’s crazy to me #I just think there needs to be a balance lol #like still go crazy. Have fun and all but you get it #but anyway. with all that being said! Goiji stays winning in my heart 🚶🏾‍♀️ #rambling

[fruit-kick]

ngl i hate it when u bring up how fucked up the show and fandom treats jermy and ppl respond w/ "he makes out w/ his dog" like idk how to tell you that jermy is not A Real Guy who made out w/ his dog the same way Dolph was not a kid who happened to look like hitler.

like both of those things are deliberate choices made by the writers to justify shitty, bigoted choices in the story and i need all of you to stop falling for it when people bring up the fact that it was fucked up.

also, other hot take that i think should be cold: people doing fucked up things does not justify bigotry. if the writers put in a trans caricature, misgendered them every step of the way, and then threw in a "they kiss dogs" ya'll would know thats bullshit. (or at least i hope you do) so put in the same fucking energy.

#🍊​fruit.posts🏀 #camp camp #jermy fartz #queued #no hate to the blog owner of the hot takes acc #but seeing people post the most abysmal takes on anon #and respond in the comments w/ the most ridiculous statement #it made me wanna punch this fandom in the face so hard #like some of you SUCK. #and i hate it when someone posts something so horrid on anon and i cant block them #literally so annoying to see valid criticisms of the show and fandom be drowned out by mindless discourse #a select few of u lack literacy about anything that isnt shipping discourse #you'll post paragraphs upon paragraphs explaining why a ship is toxic #but the moment racism; ableism; fatphobia; anti-semitism; etc #the moment any of those things come up its either radio silence or 'okay but...' #annoying

[butwhatifidothis]

So, why do some people who love Crimson Flower always go on about how the English translation is pure evil? Because they always say that "oh, Treehouse hated Edelgard," but they never do a side-by-side comparison of why the English translaton is significantly more pro-Dimitri and anti-Edelgard (notice who they leave out in that) than the Japanese script.

From what I've seen, it seems to come from early fandom interpretations of 3H saying that it was "mistranslated to make Edelgard look worse" that came from people who, uh. Primarily didn't actually speak Japanese, or otherwise had a fairly severe misunderstanding of it.

You'll see this with pretty much every big-name event that is claimed to have been "mistranslated" in general. The AM parley, the Continue To Kill no u, Faerghus Toxic Masculinity, and "the Dream Interview calls her an antagonist not a villain" are the Big 4 of this thing happening, and all four of them have been thoroughly debunked as nonsense by people who actually speak and understand Japanese. That's probably why the actual MAJORITY of events that get the "this was mistranslated to make Edelgard look worse" card don't actually have that side-by-side comparison you mention (since there's WAY more smaller things that they say this about, for example Dimitri was TOTALLY JOKING with Edelgard during Gronder 1 and TOTALLY WASN'T freaked the fuck out at her "jokes"), because the people who claim this are 0-4 on being correct about this for four of the most important examples of this supposedly happening.

So they'll kinda just say anything is Totally A Mistranslation in the hopes that the English-speaking fandom who for the most part don't speak Japanese will believe them, and through that believe them on what the game is "actually" trying to say. With that being, of course, that Edelgard was completely and utterly right about literally actually factually every single thing she has ever said in the game ever and literally actually factually every single other person who disagrees with her is completely and utterly wrong (unless what they're saying is, of course, in alignment with what Edelgard is saying).

And if anyone who actually knows what they're talking about comes in and corrects them - even nicely! - they'll either go on about how everyone is coming after them (read: people who understand Japanese are correcting someone who doesn't understand Japanese about something that exclusively revolves around understanding Japanese), or they'll accuse that person of being a liar/sexist/homophobic POS who just wants the poor little gay bean that is Edelgard to be pure and utter evil since they totally view all gay women to be pure and utter evil.

All this, from what I can gather, is mostly to serve as a justification as to why they like Edelgard since they view liking her as a villain to be a genuine mark of bad character, for some reason. They want to believe that she's the progressive figure who does everything for the little guy for one reason or another, and so grab for any excuse they can give her they can think of to make their interpretation of her not seem so unfounded against all of the evidence Edelgard provides the player that she really is just an imperialist who doesn't really give a shit about her people if doing so gives even the slightest bump to her goal of forceful unification. All because daring to like villains is just soooo baaaaad lmao

#ask #anon #anti edelgard #anti-edelgard #edelgard critical #edelgard discourse #just to be safe #oh noooo i spelled out Edelgard's name in tags meant to be blacklisted can't wait for this post to be screencapped on Twitter lmao #anyway. #it's why they so often BLOW THE FUCK UP on people who like Rhea - they see her as an ontological villain so anyone who likes her must be ba #same with Dimitri and why he has ''manpain'' instead of trauma and ''toxic masculinity'' instead of mental illness #and why they can't fuckin' decide on where Claude slots in since he agrees with Edelgard on something but still stands against her #which is why you get either Edelgard's Cool POC Friend or Satan for him #because villains are bad and liking villains is bad so people who like villains are bad #so Edelgard CAN'T be a villain because then they'd be bad people for doing the Bad Action of liking a villain #hence them making up mistranslations that ~totally prove~ that Edelgard isn't a villain #(while they ignore all of the ACTUAL mistranslations that show off how much more blatantly villainous she is in the JPN version) #not the first time this sort of thing's happened in fandom it's just always annoying when it happens

[pocketramblr]

Dash simulator

Blog 1: lol anyone else seeing a lot of strawberries in new recipes now? sometimes its fun but i really dont get the appeal of adding it to everything. why did you make strawberry garlic bread

Blog 2: u kno im not a fan of strawberries, i really like the rich sweet and sour notes from oranges, oranges and chocolate is such a good combo. i altered a recipe for a smoothie with oranges last week and it was soooo good ill give you my notes if you want Reblogged by: Blog 1: ahaha yesss i love chocolate and oranges

Blog 3: I canNOT believe the hate im seeing to strawberries right now, like, you know guys know the rule don't like don't bake right?? you know you can hit the back button right?? honestly what's wrong with yall

Open draft- wait guys you know there's a difference between leaving a comment on a recipe saying you hate strawberries and the recipe writer should never use them, and going to your own blog to say you don't really like strawberries, without naming any specific people or recipes right? you know there's a difference right?? - Save - Post - Discard

Draft discarded

Blog 4: why is everyone jumping on the strawberry hate train right now. what is wrong with you. Reblogged by: Blog 5: I knowwww like guys some people stop baking because of reading things like that, please stop it, if you don't like strawberries you can be quiet about it

Open draft- im so sorry if anyone's getting sent mean messages or comments about what they're writing and baking, but i'm literally not seeing any of that and if you are, please use the block button. but someone making a post on their own blog is not that, and if you can't see the irony in you being allowed to complain on personal blogs but not them i can't help you... - save- post- discard

Draft discarded

Blog 2: are strawberries even in season?

Blog 6: woo cherry pie!

#trying so hard to be a blog 6 rn #im discarding those drafts #but clearly it has been too much for me as this one is getting posted #like i really am sorry if any. strawberry antis are directly being rude to anyone #that isnt ok #but i have seen zero of that on my dash or in the tag #i saw a few blogs saying lol they don't like strawberries #and then i saw a ton of blogs saying how dare there be any negativity at all #and seeming to act as if those blog posts were specifically about disliked fic authors i mean recipe makers #which... if any of them were... i didn't see it because of how i blocked large swaths of the fandom like three years ago #when i realized that it was determined to blow up a discourse topic every single month #and if there are people doing that. please. do what i did. block en mass #if you open a recipe that turns out to have strawberries in it and you cant hit the back button but instead leave a nasty comment that is a #you problem #but also if you see a random blog post about someone saying they dislike strawberries- hate strawberries even- and you feel personally #attacked and start crying about how now you never want to bake a strawberry shortcake again and they're so mean #that is also. a you problem. #'what fandom is this pocket' dont worry about it #not one i have any mutuals in #which. considering the mass blocking and the annoying chronic discourse explosions. perhaps is not surprising

[densitywell]

really though like it was the same thing with ashton last month (and imogen several times before) where people's interpretations of their actions would be at best in deeply bad faith and at worst just blatantly incorrect. and when they got called out for villainizing a character while failing to understand even the basic facets of them they would be like "ugh stop coddling them you're allowed to admit when your favorite character has flaws"

#this is just like something that is Generally True About Fandom really esp w/ the current disdain for babies who like baby shows or whatever #but you see i'm the REAL understander and appreciator of flawed and problematic characters and it is annoying to me. #still thinking abt people saying that taliesin's very clear (and very predictable based on what we knew abt ashton) answer #to them knowing abt fearne's feelings was him lying as damage control or proof he didn't understand what he was doing with the character. #bud. i could've told you that ashton thinks he's unloveable like 40 episodes ago. #and of course people do this with like every fucking thing imogen does so. #crposting #cr discourse

[wastelandroses]

Even though I’m a multishipper most of the time, I wouldn’t be fine if MiIeven was canon after the events of ST4, vol. 2 more specifically, and how the love triangle was handled overall. The sentence “I don’t care which one will be canon as long as all of them are happy” has been very common around circles that love both couples, MiIeven and Byler, but I can’t bring myself to agree.

I wouldn’t be fine if MiIeven was endgame after Will’s feelings were used as a prop to mend it. El should have herself told Mike how greatly she feels about him, or Will shouldn’t have to urge Mike to say “I love you” if the relationship was to be fixed. (However, I think they are doing this for a reason, but this is beside the point.)

Will is a gay boy in the 80’s, lives in a small conservative town that already hates his family. On top of that, he is terrified of coming out. Amongst everything else he has gone through, he does not need a storyline where his romantic love for his childhood best friend is neglected, turned into a plot device in favor of restoring a hetero relationship.

If they wanted to make Byler as an example of a tragic unrequited love, there are other ways to do it that doesn’t reek homophobia (and queerbait). The love triangle is not just a mindless fandom battle between who is better for Mike (or who he “actually loves”) like any other heterosexual love triangle in media. There is a difference between the two outcomes. One of them being filled with homophobic and disgusting writing choices that led to cause more unnecessary pain and trauma for a queer character and the other is a hopeful, refreshing ending along with another step forward in queer representation that the mainstream media lacks.

insp.

#the fandom is still pretty much hibernating but just wanted to throw my two cents #hopefully this was comprehensible because i cant write #this is mostly based on my experience on twt #you don't see much multishipping here which is kind of a shame or not really #st fucked up and now were all praying for the best #rip miIeven it was fun while it lasted #aus headcanons are fine and normal but were talking about canon here #i'm saying this with the utmost love #el is my favorite character so idk what to tell you except #if your boy is only encouraged to say ily after your gay brother says so MULTIPLE TIMES i would dump him #byler #anti mileven #stranger things #st (mine) #ship discourse #<- block the tag if you're annoyed #at times i'm too #rose posts

[lildoodlenoodle]

Not the spiderverse art book restarting the dying down Hobie age discourse. With the Japanese version implying he’s a ‘young boy’(I think that’s what it was either way either way) and the book saying ‘he’s much older than miles..’(smth like that either way either way) and it’s like seriously? Again? AGAIN?

The directors said it’s up to interpretation. And the only reason(w/ the exclusion of the people thinking he’s like 30 cause that’s weird and gross, re-examine some racial biases)that people are so adamant he is or isn’t a minor is because of shipping! Whether it’s with one of the spider teens or with OCs or justifying self shipping it’s weird! It’s weird that that’s the reason people are going nuts over this shit and dying on their respective hills. And let people have their HCs holyshit.

And to reiterate: it’s not proshipping/pedoshit if someone HCs Hobie as a teen and ships them with one of the spider teens. It’s not necessarily fetishization and is not pedoshit if people HC him as a young adult and do self ships or whatever else goes on there.

It’s fandom let people fuck around. Something doesn’t have to be justified as morally wrong for you not to like it. Stop trying to force your own Head Canons, key word HEAD as in the canon in your head, onto other people.

Sorry for the rant I just cannot believe it’s still going.

#I’ll say it again #head canons #as in the canon IN YOUR HEAD #ik part of the problem is people are new to fandom spaces/culture and don’t entirely understand HCs #sorry I’m getting so heated but this is like the stupidest shit to see people get stuck on as someone who has been here for awhile #like actually dealing with ACTUALLY problematic ships and this is what y’all think is problematic now??? ITS IN YOUR HEAD BESTIE #like the ghostpunk. punkflower. and chaipunk ships aren’t for me but I do love and appreciate the art! #never rlly been into self inserts either. idk just not my thing tbh #didn’t even rlly know what proshipping was till the Hobie brown stuff #y’all are KILLING ME #it’s funny but it’s also annoying to see it all over my feed #so now we all have to suffer #there isn’t even really a tag for me to filter it out #I’m gonna put some triggers just cause I was less eloquent than I could’ve been lol #tw pedophila mention #age discourse ig

[akatsukitrash]

Risking angering 90% of the founders fandom but frankly i think the madatobi vs hashimada discourse is silly bc both sides heavily misunderstand madara's character and woobify him like i dont understand when they keep blaming each other for it. U both do it.

#that being sad some of my closest mutuals are hashimada and madatobi fans #and i can see the appeal in both ships #plus i love art #so i always reblog both #i dont hate either fandoms i dont have such strong feelings abt it bc i tend to stay in my madara loving corner #but sometimes i see discourse and its a lil annoying

[lost-technology]

It’s kind of sad to look up fanfiction for something you love and it turns out that almost every fanfic is for a ship you don’t vibe with and the second most popular ship you see is also something you also don’t vibe with.   Probably even more sad when you do vibe with a less popular ship, but you’re mostly a non-shipper who just wants gen-fic, family / found family and friendship and philosophy style fics.   Romance and sex, bleh!   I’m not anti-ship.  I am very happy to see others have their fun - it’s just I’m that kid in the corner of the playground not interested in the games the other kids are playing...or something.   

#I have otps for other fandoms #just not trigun so much #I just don't vibe with vashwood sorry #nor with plantcest #I'm not an anti I just don't personally vibe #maybe it's because I am painfully asexual I do not know #I like vashmeryl but even that in small doses #or maybe it's just the oversaturation #it's like how in zelda fandom I like midlink but find zelink kind of boring #and almost everything is zelink #I've gotten to the point of just turning it out while I look for genfic #like background noise #I guess I need to roll up my sleeves #get back into trigun ficcing #and be the gen I want to see in the world! #trigun #trigun fanfiction #trigun fanfiction discourse #me being an annoying non-shipper

[qtubbo]

I feel like people need to remember the phrase, its not banter its bullying, when it comes to Sunny and Phil, whether or not he’s intended it he’s been way more aggressive towards this egg he doesn’t know, and without directing these “jokes” to any of the other eggs. That is a child he is an adult and if he is making this literal baby feel bad with his comments (mind you ones he makes without the kid even being there sometimes) maybe he shouldn’t be making them, maybe thats something to look into and analyze. Going actually this toddler needs to just get used to Phil’s jokes and he’s doing nothing wrong, ignores Phils own attempts to rp a more morally complex character and blames a child for being hurt.

Let characters have flaws, do I need to give you a qtubbo character flaw involving his “jokes” to make you understand this isn’t a personal attack. Tubbo has huge self-doubt and self-confidence issues which stems from feeling of never being able to do what he really set out for, because of this he tries to talk himself up. Generally though he is unable to see himself in a better light so he instead talks down his friends in an extreme and exaggerated ways. While the comments are joke-y they are still unfair to the people he’s directing them to especially since he always says this stuff in private. Making a joke out of your friends to feel better about yourself isn’t evil but it’s still a character flaw.

Also if you’re gonna make a response to my other post don’t add in argument I didn’t make about Phil and Tubbo’s relationship so you can feel smart. It just shows that you had nothing to stand on in the first place, and most likely agree with what Im saying. (Reference to multiple tweets and posts)

#Val ramblings #Fandom neg #qsmp fandom neg #discourse #Fandom annoys me sometimes its so hard to enjoy characters with flaws when people are just unable to admit they are there #Or downplay them to a degree were it’s impossible to really talk about them #Qphil is just some guy and so is qtubbo but ignoring that hes been going far past joking about tubbo is just not it #Tubbo says wow your old old man and phil responds wow everything you have ever built for your child sucks a train cart could never be home #Your kid must be suffering in your care??? Like do you not see the difference #Qsmp #i waited to tag that last one because I didn’t want it to be at the top of the tags