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starlite-png · 10 months
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Supernatural is funny bc you'll have sam and dean doing funny sitcom-esque scenes one moment and then be violently reminded that they are legimately psychotic the next.
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Ok, some Winchesters theories coming up! So, we remember that the trailer for The Winchesters has a literal video of Cas' shadow in it. And in the latest Winchesters' episode we see this image from a previous episode of Supernatural. SO this could be a couple things... (1) The CW has limited resources and money and is lazy so they reuse videos and images (2) we are meant to find them and they mean something for the end of the show. I choose to believe the 2nd since I have put my clown shoes back on. So, running theory is; time travel is obviously happening again, angels are involved (hence the Cas video and literal Gabriel in the latest Winchesters episode). BUT WHYYYYYY Like, we know that Dean is telling us the story of his parents meeting. We can assume that this is him telling us post finale given the car having OG plates and the samulet hanging. Dean is not wearing his finale or heaven outfit though (good discourse on that here). So, we can assume this means something as well; he wears this outfit in 15x8 and 15x9 (The Trap - episodes that have Dean and Cas working through the some couply shit and traveling to Purgatory - so other planes). Ok, so back to S1E8 of The Winchesters, we know that Dean gave John the letter that effectively changed history/the story. So, Dean had to have traveled back in time to do this, likely by help of angels, post finale.
But, again, WHY What is Dean (and the angels - but likely just Cas) trying to change? What's the motive? If we make the assumptions that this is happening post finale (with our other assumptions made above) and we believe Jensen when he says it will stay within cannon, we can assume that this is not, technically, a prequal, but a continuation of the original. But, to play Lucifer's advocate with myself, how does that storyline get a second season? Potential theories:
It turns out that something is wrong in heaven or Jack and Cas cant keep the heaven light on and if heaven goes out the world does so they have to go back in time to fix shit?
Or, baddies from other worlds (akrida) are causing havoc in the world when they have not (did not in SPN timeline/cannon) so now (post finale timeline) they have to go back and fix it by Dean giving John the letter. And Sam is not involved because he is not in heaven yet and can go back to help out?
-- OR -- If we go with the evidence and the lazy version of typical time travel (and CW) story telling, we will assume that Dean, in heaven (or not) , is telling us the true story of how his parents met which was this exact story that is happening in The Winchesters. Like, Dean has traveled back in time before. That photo that Mary and John look at in S1E8 is from SPN S6E9. Maybe, Dean traveled back in time around that time to maybe stop the whole SPN timeline from happening to try to save more people, and they got their minds wiped given the Akrida are other wordly crazy monsters etc etc. Thats why the story of John and Mary meeting in The Winchesters is so similar but a little different than the SPN timeline. Maybe thats why there is differing, kind of, stories of thier meeting. And, you could plot right over that by saying, to make the appocolypse happen they wiped the minds, and made them fall in love (like SPN cannon).
But this does not explain the Cas barn scene in the trailer or why Dean is wearing a different outfit in the narration scene in S1E1. But, Lucifers Advocate, this can be explained away by them using the Cas scene to bait us and Jensen just liking that outfit lol. BUT Daneel is #1 heller and the twitter accounts like all the destiel stuff so, at least, they know that is marketable, SOOOOOO it has to happen, it just has to! ------ If you have made it this far, congratulations, you have officially fit into the clown car with me. I will live here, with my clown shoes on, and believe Cas is coming back to us, that him and Dean are having fun, gay, adventures in heaven
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orpheustiel · 11 months
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the reason the empty wants revenge, even though it was supposed to be a neutral entity - like death, is that, like death, it wants balance. the empty suffered when cas woke up. it wants cas to suffer too. and if somewhere along the way it went too far (making every demon and angel there suffer too), then it's because true balance never really existed in supernatural.
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roxyandelsewhere · 3 years
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the thing about the kripke era is that from s6 onwards the guns stop needing to be cleaned, and there’s always ammo and salt rounds, and joints don’t need to be popped back into place after fights, and when someone walks into a room the people there weren’t busy doing anything else unless that’s the point of the scene, and interactions with one-off characters no longer require those little thankyous and hellos and byes and excusemes that are barely noticeable because those interactions are just transactions to move the plot along, and driving around the country hardly ever involves small bits of logistics like buying gas or charging backup phones or something needing to be replaced, because the world keeps getting bigger and bigger but it’s their world, just scenery for the ones that matter to move around in, and unless showing the small details of everyday life serves a specific point, they’re no longer things that simply happen, casually a part of the day-to-day
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castiel · 3 years
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i have to go off about this for a second. so much of their relationship is about eye contact. we can see it from their very first moments together. cas's unnerving constant stare. and dean looking back at him, always trying to understand. each trying to figure out the other. dean's gotten used to cas's gaze. it's as much a part of the conversation as the words they say, sometimes more. so he knows when cas won't meet his eye, it's because cas feels he's letting him down. so he makes him look. he needs him to see. to see his unwavering faith in him. because he knows cas now. they've saved each others lives. he knows despite whatever doubts and conflicts cas feels... cas has been there for him. dean doesn't trust easy. he's used to people leaving him. and when he met cas, everything was screaming at him not to trust this being. and yet... just as cas had said, "you're different"- cas is different for dean too. a small part of him, a part he'd never admit to anyone, marvels at the fact that his mother was right. an angel was watching over him. and now here he is, in the flesh. he pulled him from hell and left a mark on his body and soul. he can feel it when their eyes meet. yes, they're different. they're tied together now and he will never let cas forget. that he has faith in him.
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archivistsammy · 3 years
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i am gonna bite someone.
yes, what sam says to dean in s9 does genuinely hurt him. his harsh words certainly threw me at first—i puzzled over them for days. “iʼve been trying to wrap my head around samʼs thinking off and on all morning,” i messaged amina. “his line about how everything bad thatʼs happened between them is because theyʼre family has just been ringing in my ears.” (why yes, we archive our text conversations bc we are degreed media professionals.) 
this s10 conversation between sam and charlie then felt like the key to it all finally making sense. sam didn’t really mean all those hurtful things he said! he was just lashing out! he can’t do this without his brother! on rewatch, however, i almost cannot stand this scene anymore. no longer caught up in dean’s pity party, as amina detailed earlier, it reeks of spin. 
spin that walks back all of sam’s righteous anger and vital candor. 
spin that minimizes—even justifies—dean’s manipulation. 
spin that recasts their deep, seasons-long conflict as just another disagreement between siblings, who are both equally at fault. 
the episode goes so far as to make sam an active mouthpiece for this spin. that sounds about right. dean saved him. sam hurt him. aren’t we relieved that sam at last understands how unfair he was being? [chuckles] brothers. puh-lease.
the catalyst for this exchange between sam and charlie is dean’s passive aggressive response to sam saying he cannot lose his brother to the mark of cain. “you change your mind on that?” dean retorts. “cause that’s not what you said last time.” even if you do not consider dean’s remark a willful misreading of what sam expressed in 9.13 “the purge” (which i do), sam already demonstrated that he will save dean—regardless of what he said before. “what happened with you being okay with this?” a mortally wounded dean asks in 9.23 “do you believe in miracles.” “i lied,” sam replies. 
so why bring all this up again—almost three-fourths of the way into the next season? i cannot help but feel it serves to rebuke s10 sam. to call him a hypocrite. you said "same circumstances, i wouldn’t,” but here you are going to extreme lengths to save your brother. 
and this perhaps gets to the crux of what angers me most about the spin. because while it sets up sam to be held accountable for the deadly consequences of his actions (yay!), it once again spares dean from being held accountable for his (boo!). because if dean were right and sam were wrong about “same circumstances, i wouldn’t”—if sam does “do the same thing” “if the situation were reversed”—then we just do not have to address everything else sam said in s9. that “something’s broken.” that sam “can’t trust” dean the way he thought he could or “should be able to.” that invoking “family” is not a “cure-all.” that dean didn’t just save sam for sam but because dean “didn’t want to be alone.” 
brothers.
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dotthings · 4 years
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Since yes I do remember I have a tumblr and should probably use it to express myself because I’m wordy. After witnessing stan twitter 1,345, on a platform where nuance isn’t exactly common, I have some thoughts.
First: No EP or writer from spn has ever denied Destiel exists or ever told shippers to stop seeing or stop talking about it or mocked us for seeing it in their work. The writing team (which includes several queer writers) continues to work in textual level material as well as subtext and queer coding.
Second: A majority of Destiel fandom doesn’t harass and hate on the cast/crew/writers and we can see how Destiel’s now becoming increasingly textual in intent. We’re pragmatic about the chances of openly declared confirmation. That doesn’t make it less “real.” It’s getting more and more exhausting witnessing a subset angrily shouting down their own ship and attacking the show as a whole. That isn’t how I feel about spn and Destiel and I know I’m not alone on this. I’m not invalidating their rage. I’m tired of all of Destiel fandom being blamed for the behavior of a few and I don’t think the ones who behave like that are how most Destiel shippers act or how they see the situation (which is complicated) or how most shippers feel. Some are more wary than others, without being vitriolic or close-minded about Destiel and canon. Destiel fandom is not a groupthink.
Destiel is an important part of the show. It’s actually the relationship that is my personal heart center, and I’ve been yelled at plenty just for feeling that way about it, but it’s moot, canon made me feel that, canon gave me the ample content for Dean and Cas and their relationship, canon had opportunities to remove it, to end it, and never did. Instead canon built it up and added layers and made them even closer. Their relationship has been part of the A-plot. Even if it’s not the center of the show, it’s still crucial. (When are people going to get this simple concept? Something doesn’t have to be THE center to still be greatly important). For context, I’m a fan of Team Free Will too, and the bro bond, not just Destiel, and have been watching SPN since the pilot aired.
At some point under Dabb’s tenure on SPN, the way canon handled Destiel changed, from subtext, to moments where it broke into full text in ways I could no longer unsee how seriously the writing team takes this ship. I went from calmly resigned it was never going to actually be a thing, to the hair on the back of my arms standing on end because stuff was happening, and continued to happen, and it was no longer confined entirely to subtext, even if it wasn’t consummated or loudly confirmed.
Because there’s still people who straw man this kind of discussion, let me state very clearly: you are not wrong to want more open, loud representation.
Also: there is nothing wrong with wanting Dean and Cas to kiss. Or hoping for a sex scene. I’d be delighted if SPN goes that far. But if you’re out there insisting a kiss or some other explicitly sexual gesture is the absolutely, hard line the only way it will ever “count” you are hurting other fans, you are erasing the actual queer content. If you would burn the internet down in rage because Dean and Cas gets confirmation via a hand-hold or verbal confirmation or even a 3rd party statement penny drop when they aren’t even in the room, and claim that it doesn’t “count” and it’s “not enough” while you go on the attack, that’s not supportive of the ship or the work the writers have done to give it to fans as much as they can.
There has to be room for ships that fall between “loudly openly confirmed with sex scenes” and “nothing in canon backs this ship and it’s only fanon.”
Destiel in canon has had to date more canon build-up, more material, more arcing, than some canon ships in various fandoms. Yet people still deny its validity. Why is that? Why is that?
I’m not going around claiming a ship like that is incredible representation. There’s better representation available. Maybe go support that instead of obsessively attacking SPN, the crew, the cast, and turning against your own OTP.
There has to be room for multiple choice options rather than just “malicious queerbaiters!!” to allow for ships like Destiel where it’s obvious from the canon the creatives are taking it seriously in terms of story but are being held back from taking it where they would like to go with it. We won’t know until spn is over whether Destiel is getting its loudly open confirmation and consummation or not. I’m not making you promises, I’m not claiming to have inside info, I’m not claiming I know how this will go. I’m describing to you what I can see, with my eyes, so far, in both canon, which is borne out by extra-textual comments and incidents, but the extra-textual back-up is just support for what I can see in the canon.
I’d also like to know since when is fandom wank more important than the actual canon content. When did the drama and conflicts within the parasocial relationship between the people who make the show and fans become the thing calling all the shots here while people ignore the canon.
Let’s play a game. Close your eyes. Breath deeply. Imagine SPN canon, everything playing out exactly as it has in canon up to this point, but in fandom there was never a loud group of obsessed antis pounding in your ears calling you delusional or fake fans or ruining spn for seeing it. There were never antis repeating the weirdly contradictory “this show is about FAMILY so Destiel can’t be a thing.” There were never antis twisting the canon into uncrecognizable knots so they could deny and deny and deny how much Dean and Cas care for each other even as friends, along with their phobic anti-shipping concern trolling. There were never antis supposedly on your ship team (Destiel shippers who are hurt and disappointed at the lack of loud, open confirmation, which is valid, but some turned toxic over it) telling you there’s nothing there and you’re only being baited and it’s not real and you’re delusional for seeing it and a traitor to the ship if you see anything good for Destiel in the canon. Imagine you never heard of twitter.
Imagine that.
Would you doubt what’s before your eyes? Would you deny it was valid?
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teamfreewill2pointo · 3 years
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Sam’s Emotional Arc 1/3
I hated the finale immediately, but I’ve spent some time with it and talked to friends who loved it. I can see now what it was about, and I’ve come to appreciate the story they were trying to tell, even if I think it didn’t land right.
I’ve been told that my meta on this has helped other people come to terms with the finale, so I thought I’d compile it in one place from across various discord channels and twitter posts. If you are struggling with the finale, I hope it helps you.
Part of this actually started with a shit post. I was making a joke about Sam being psychic since he was scared of clowns when Dean died by one. I realized that may have been deliberate. I dug into the story more and now I’m convinced it was. Then I came across some excellent meta that fit with the themes I was finding and opened up the series even more for me.
Happiness isn’t in the having, it’s in just being. It’s in just saying it.
Cas said it. Dean accepted it. Sam lived it. First, Sam’s journey. 
Clowns pop up in s15 before the barn scene. In 15.01, which was written by Dabb, Sam is injured by a clown. Castiel is able to save Sam and heal his injury. The clown keeps coming after Sam, with Sam having fight scenes with the clown, while others attack the other ghosts. The clown is kicking the shit out of Sam again, and Castiel saves him once more. Sam is unable to fight off the clown on his own both times.
They run until they are able to escape outside a magical barrier. Sam turns to the clown and says, “shut up”. 
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This is literally Sam running from his fears. On top of that, this isn’t just any clown, but the ghost of John Wayne Gacy, from an episode also written by Dabb.
Dean: A serial killer clown. I mean, this is, like, the best/worst thing that’s ever happened to you, you know, ‘cause you love serial killers, but – but you hate clowns.
Sam gets nervous and struggles with the lighter before he’s able to get rid of the clown, for now.
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I believe this is a metaphor for hunting in general: it’s both the best of Sam’s life and also the worst. The clowns symbolize his relationship with Dean.
Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie was co-written by Dabb (see the pattern?). Sam’s fear of clowns was known since season 2. In season 7, Dabb explored where this fear came from.
On the surface, Sam’s fear is just because he found them creepy, but the episode explains that they actually come from Sam’s fear of being left behind by Dean.
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This episode comes directly after an episode where Sam worried that Dean would get himself killed
Sam: Look... Dean, the thing is, tonight... It almost got you killed. Now, I don't care how you deal. I really, really don't. But just don't – don't get killed. Dean: I'll do what I can. Sam: Well, what's that supposed to mean? Dean: It means I'll do what I can. All right? You can shut up about it.
Sam is dealing with Hallucifer at this moment, but Hallucifer doesn’t really scare him. Losing Dean does.
Sam has a conversation with an employee about greatest fears.
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Recognize the actress? She came back for s15 in 15.06. I don’t believe this was a coincidence. 15.06 featured Castiel helping a parent find their lost child in a season that features Castiel worried about losing Jack. Through his experience with her, Castiel confronts his fears and doubts and then returns to join in the fight against God. [I’ll touch on Castiel’s journey more in his chapter]
Sam’s greatest fear is losing Dean. There’s a lot in the series about how Sam felt lonely and abandoned for much of his childhood. A whole episode, Just My Imagination, centers around this. Sam hated when Dean went off on hunts without him.
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source In The Chitters, Sam tells Dean how his fear of losing his family paralyzed him as child. It’s a story where an older brother dies and the younger brother never recovers from it until he’s able to lay him to rest (sound familiar???)
Sam: You know, whenever you and Dad used to leave me to go hunting, and I-and I wouldn’t hear from y’all for a while, I, um, I was always sure that some vamp or rugaru, or take your pick, I always figured one of them finally got ya. I tried to think what to do, you know, the next step to take. I was just lost. Dean: We came back, though, every time.
You might naturally think, “Wait a minute! Sam left Dean multiple times!” Honestly, this was something I had a huge issue with when watching through the show the first time. I didn’t understand Sam and hated him leaving Dean in s8. I was completely on Dean’s side at first. But, on multiple rewatches and talking to others, I’ve realized that when Sam left Dean, he was running from his fear. In this TV Guide interview, Jared perfectly sums up why Sam left in season 1; he couldn’t stand to see his family die. Dabb wrote Dark Side of the Moon along with a comic that explains why Sam left in detail. While the comic isn’t official canon, it shows Dabb’s thought process. In it, Sam sees his family as running towards a horrible end and can’t handle dealing with that.
Dean: So what are you gonna do? You're just gonna live some normal, apple pie life? Is that it? Sam: No. Not normal. Safe.
There are many more points in the series where we learn about Sam’s fear of Dean dying. This would be 3948573945 pages long if I wrote them all out, so I’m going to focus on the key moments that loop back to this ending, but there’s so much more there.
If you are struggling with this and need more, please let me know and I can do a deeper dive into that subject. We first see Sam’s inability to let Dean go in season 1 when Sam refuses to let Dean die in Faith.
Dean: You're not gonna let me die in peace, are you? Sam: I'm not gonna let you die, period. We're going.
Sam’s whole arc in s3 is him being unable to handle Dean dying. He wants to save Dean, but Dean won’t let himself be saved. This was what Gabriel was trying to teach him in Mystery Spot.
Trickster: This obsession to save Dean? The way you two keep sacrificing yourselves for each other? Nothing good comes out of it. Just blood and pain. Dean's your weakness. And the bad guys know it, too. It's gonna be the death of you, Sam. Sometimes you just gotta let people go.
This is how Ruby gets under Sam’s skin and what gets him to start working with her. Everything Sam did was to save Dean. In s4, Sam’s arc is about him sacrificing himself in order to save Dean. He’s gutted from being unable to save Dean. In 4.12, Sam decides to drink demon blood in order to save Dean
Dean: [says that they will die early] Sam: Maybe we'll be different, Dean. Dean: What kind of Kool-Aid you drinking, man? Sammy, it ends bloody or sad. That's just the life. Sam: What if we could win?Dean: "Win"?Sam: If there was a way we could just...put an end to all of it.
When Sam breaks out of the panic room, he’s suicidal. He’s determined to save Dean with his life as the cost he’s willing to pay. He didn’t think he would survive killing Lilith. He was committing suicide in that moment. The reason why Sam is so willing to sacrifice himself in s5 is because he has low self esteem. He blames himself for everything that goes wrong. In Sam, Interrupted 5.11, also by Dabb, Sam has a breakdown under the weight of his guilt. He hates himself and he feels his rage is out of control. In season 6, we see soulless Sam and, unlike souled Sam, he has no rage. Yes, he’ll kill when necessary, but he’s not angry. It was Sam’s fear driving his rage. He felt out of control of his life and let it lead him down a dark path. In season 7, he sees Dean heading down a dark path and he feels helpless to stop it. He worries about dragging Dean down and tells Dean to let him go. But, at the same time, he’s developing coping techniques. He’s starting to face his fears. 
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And then Dean disappears and Sam completely falls apart. Sam didn’t have a healthy relationship with Amelia. They were two broken people clinging to each other. Sam and Dean struggle to reconnect after their time apart. There’s a lot of text addressing the horror of a partner dying and people trying to escape from it.
Mrs Holmes: He could see the end of my days were at hand, and... He had lived centuries all alone, but I don't think he could bear the thought of life without me. That's why he drove off that bridge. You must think I'm a monster.
In Hunteri Heroica written by GUESS WHO!?!? Sam finally acknowledges that he was living in a dream world with Amelia. He was running from his past. We see a flash back with Sam pressing on his scar, which he did to help himself distinguish fantasy from reality.
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The episode is about a man refusing to engage in reality and harming those around him. Sam has a big confrontation with him
Sam: Look, it can be nice living in a dream world. It can be great. I know that. And you can hide, and you can pretend... all the crap out there doesn't exist, but you can't do it forever because... eventually, whatever it is you're running from – it'll find you. [CASTIEL appears to be taking Sam’s words to heart.] It'll come along, and it'll punch you in the gut. And then... then you got to wake up, because if you don't, then trying to keep that dream alive will destroy you! It'll destroy everything!
Likewise, when Sam was with Jessica, he wasn’t honest about himself. He was hiding from his family and his past. Running to avoid pain. Sam is avoidant in general. Not just in his relationship with Dean. When he talks with Rowena in 13.12 Various & Sundry Villains about his fears of Lucifer, he admits that he could talk about it with Dean, but he can’t bring himself to.
Sam: I’ve seen it too. What he really looks like behind – behind whatever vessel. It… Yeah, still keeps me up at night. Rowena: How do you deal with it? Sam: I guess I don’t deal with it. Not really. I mean, I pushed it down and, um, the world kept almost ending, so I keep pushing it down, and I don’t know. [stammering] I really don’t talk about it, not even with Dean. I mean, I could. You know, he’d listen, but… That’s not something I really know how to share.
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In 15.20, Sam’s past is front and center. Literally. I know a lot of people found the Winchester family portrait odd and upsetting, but it symbolizes something I’ll get to in a bit. Instead of trying to avoid his grief, Sam has moments where he lets it wash over him. He goes and sits in the car. He’s no longer avoidant. He’s no longer running away. He’s letting his grief move through him. He’s literally sitting with it.
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Soulless Puppy pointed out that the characters emotional arcs is similar to DBT. Please look through their awesome meta here.
Personally, I see them as similar to the therapy I do called ACT. Both are forms of therapy where instead of fighting against them, you accept painful emotions and allow yourself to feel them. If you don’t do that work, then you can’t stop feeling them and your fears/ghosts will always haunt you.  In Swan Song, Chuck tells us that “Dean didn't want Cas to save him. Every part of him, every fiber he's got, wants to die, or find a way to bring Sam back. But he isn't gonna do either. Because he made a promise.”  In 15.20, Sam initially didn’t want to let Dean go. He’s been refusing to do this since season 1. When he’s separated from Dean he lives a fake life or destroys himself/the world trying to get Dean back. There’s a moment in 15.20 where Sam looks at Dean’s guns. He wants to commit suicide, but he makes the choice to live. For the time in Sam’s life, he let Dean go and lived with his pain. He no longer ran from it. After Swan Song, Dean was unable to let Sam go. He wanted him back. After Carry On, Sam is able to do what Dean couldn’t do. He lives a life outside of Dean. What’s more, Sam has reconciled himself with his past and his family. It’s clumsy and I wish it were better shown, but having the family portrait and their parents in heaven isn’t meant to excuse the way Sam and Dean were raised. In order to move past the trauma of his relationship with his parents, Sam fully integrates them into his life. In Lebanon, Sam was able to confront and forgive his father. In doing so, he can also forgive himself. Mary asks for forgiveness too, and he grants it to her. He doesn’t forget what happened, but he’s able to move forward and leave the intergenerational cycle of violence. He’s able to raise his son, Dean, the way his brother should have been raised.
Happiness isn’t in the having, it’s in just being. It’s in just saying it.
Cas said it. Dean accepted it. Sam lived it.
I can see why people see Sam’s life after Dean as unhappy. I hated it so much because I saw it as horrible and sad the first time through. I had to sit with myself and my emotions first. I think it’s because we’ve been told by society that we have to get rid of our grief in order to be happy. The finale was showing us that it’s possible to do the opposite. [Personally I think it would’ve been better had they showed more overtly happy memories, but many of my friends saw this straight away] When I began therapy, one of the first things I learned was that there aren’t “negative” emotions. When working with our kids, we call them Big emotions. In DBT/ACT, all emotions are treated as normal and natural. Grief, anger, sadness, etc, these are all normal parts of the human existence. We don’t need to run from them in order to have happiness. We can live with them. As interstitial said in our chats, “you can't change the past, you can only change your relationship to it. To accept that your past contained both love and heartache, to miss it, but also know you can do better; that's actual recovery, as good as it gets.” As Soulless-Puppy explained to me, Sam lived in duality. Dean was dead, but Sam lived. Sam was happy, but he grieved. Dean was with him in the watch and the car and his son, but Dean also waited for him in heaven. I hated the finale the first time I saw it, then next watched it with my boyfriend who loved it. As we were watching together and discussing it, I realized that Dean’s death scene wasn’t just about him, but about the show itself. 
Dean promising Sam that he will be with Sam in Sam’s heart is also the show promising us that they will never leave it. That’s why Alex kept posting “The end has no end.” Just as Sam carried Dean with him in his heart, we will carry the show with us. I hope this helps. It’s a terrible thing to feel upset about an ending and thinking of the show this way, recognizing these patterns, is bringing me peace. I still have issues with how it was written, but now that I see what they were doing, I wish all the more that they had the chance to do it right. Please share your thoughts and experiences. I love hearing different opinions. Next up, Dean. Then Castiel.
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leafblogger · 3 years
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im reading Educated by Tara Westover bc its summer homework for a class im taking next year but it Really Has Me Thinking about the winchesters because well. everything is about supernatural especially when its not. and like one of the horrifying elements of Educated is the fact that Tara's family believed god was watching over them and everything that happened was God's will, including major medical injuries like brain damage, to the point that they wouldn't seek out medical care.
in supernatural, although the belief in God among the winchesters is mixed, there is divine intervention coming from the very root of their biological family. cupid literally created the marriage between John and Mary to produce sam and dean - and presumably chuck watched over sam and dean throughout the rest of their lives, making sure everything was set in place for the story.
what's worse - someone controlling your life for their story, or believing someone is controlling your life for their story?
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starlite-png · 9 months
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Thinking about Dean's perspective on meeting revived mary is always top tier, but u also gotta consider how wild it was for Sam.
I mean, you finally have a Mom, but she's not what you'd imagined, not what you'd been told. And as you watch your brother grow more and more openly critical of her, more open about what he'd done to take her place; you come to realize that you may not have had a Mom, but you have had a mother your whole life.
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luxshine · 3 years
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@pookeepsee
I'm looking forward to reading your conclusions, I'm a new follower of yours so do you have a tag where I can read your old meta posts?
Sure thing! And thanks for reminding me that new followers can’t find the damn meta so easily! 
For the Great Supernatural Rewatch Meta, a project where I tally when the brothers are violent to each other, who lies to whom, who gets the bulk of mytharcs and who gets the bulk of filler episodes (And pretty much I also will add “times where Dean was so bi it hurt, probably)) you can go here:
https://luxshine.tumblr.com/spngreatrewatch
Season 1 is almost done. As soon as Salvation stops throwing curve balls to me (Just remember most if not all is written pre Season 10) and hopefully I won’t take three years for the season finale.
My first impressions from when I started watching the show, blind and without spoilers (It’s not finished as RL caught with me hard, and while I do have my notes to the missing episodes, it sort of ends in Season 12)
https://luxshine.tumblr.com/spnrecaps
Every other little bit of meta scrap I written over the years, before I had to take a hiatus for my RL work doing my own stories (As well as a TON of fighting with the bibros, I may be old but I have no brake when it comes to arguing lit. Criticism)
https://luxshine.tumblr.com/spnmeta
And well, I need to link the dubbing meta now, but that’s basically under the tag “supernatural mexican dub”
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roxyandelsewhere · 2 years
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made these months ago when my brain was scrambled eggs for work reasons and i was particularly mad at the finale and i don’t exactly remember what was going through my head but i came across them cleaning up my laptop and i might as well post them
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castiel · 3 years
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i know this line doesn’t seem like much but it really stuck out to me. mostly because “damn necklace” and “please” don’t fit together. to me this one line is Dean in a nutshell. he puts on this tough guy act because it’s how he hides, it’s how he protects both Sam- and himself, it’s how he survives. you can see the extreme version of this self in endverse!Dean. but then there’s that please. he doesn’t need to say it. and it certainly doesn’t fit with the tone of the rest of the sentence. but he does. because he’s speaking to Cas. someone he cares about. anytime he asks Cas for something, he says please. please help me. dean is made up of these contradictions and i don’t know if he himself even knows which part is truer. he’s worn that tough guy jacket for so long, it’s hard to tell where it ends.
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niche-pastiche · 3 years
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Chuck is such an interesting character who I really enjoy (note I didn’t say like or approve of. Dude’s got problems. Don’t like him. Would not be his friend.).
Because on the one hand, he’s this smol anxious bean who just wants to be liked. And honestly I don’t think that’s a total fabrication. I think on some level, he really is this pathetic lonely man who watches the world but is too frightened to go out and live in it. 
The problem, and the thing that makes him a villain, is that he is also incredibly powerful with absolutely no one to hold him accountable. Not even a peer. He’s locked Amara away, leaving no checks on his power. And he views any attempt at autonomy from his children (angels or humanity. Take your pick)
And I think this idea for how quickly Chuck could become threatening has been there since the beginning in the little ways they’d do things like cut to a weirdly menacing close up on his eyes while he’s talking. 
Anyway, this whole post is just me saying that It think it’s really cool how Chuck as the big bad for season 15 feels like it was being set up at least as far back as 5x09 The Real Ghost Busters. And at the end of that episode, we have Becky stepping in and doing something he didn’t expect because she loves the story and payed attention to it.
And whether it was actually being set up or not isn’t the point. The point is they managed to put the show together in a way where it feels like it was. 
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archivistsammy · 3 years
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amina’s meta about sam as the magician has really gotten me thinking about his confidence. in his experience. his hunter instincts. and scenes like this one from 5.18 “point of no return” demonstrate another brand of confidence. his unwavering faith in dean. and time and time again sam’s expression of that faith is critical to redirecting dean towards what “the right call” is. of keeping dean dean. here it’s turning down michael. in 10.23 “brother’s keeper” it’s turning down death. in 14.12 “prophet and loss” it’s fighting for another tomorrow. in 15.17 “unify” it’s not giving chuck his ending.
dean protects sam. sam anchors dean. 
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anthonycrowley · 3 years
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charlie boy bucky's angel with a shotgun. is that anything
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