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Y'ALL I just opened my email inbox to find THIS^^ today and I- !!! this might seem like a small number to you or a big number, but to me it is SO WILD to see 9 HUMANS liked what i wrote 2 yrs ago enough to all leave me kudos in one day!?!
THANK U to whoever you 9 mysterious souls are, and THANK U to anyone who's ever left me a kudos!! Today was just a random day and then THIS happened and now this has made not just my day, but my whole WEEK!!! AO3 writers notice & LOVE this stuff, people!! Keep doing what you're doing ā¤ļø
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No bc LITERALLY Katherine *consistently* fell for goodie-two-shoes types!! Elijah, stefan, even MATT lmfao and she never once expressed genuine attraction to Klaus, and for Damon, she was crystal clear that she always loved Stefan MORE. So in what universe would she be impressed with Kai?
Secondly, as u said, KAI consistently saw right through the gimicky "bad boy" types like damon so he'd 100% see right through Katherine too! I could see a part of him *maybe* respecting her for owning up to being an asshole instead of pulling a damon and pretending she's morally better than Kai BUT i don't see him falling for her bc.. they'd agree on everything! Kai has demonstrated that he loves the thrilling challenge, tension & conflict of being at odds with Bonnie ethically/morally bc it's her RIGID values that make her so appealing to him! He wants to experience the slow, steady process of watching her values get corrupted bc of him and maybe a tiny self-loathing part of him also wonders if her strong values might infect him ("You're brave, loyal, patient. I wanna be more like you.")
He doesn't get obsessed w people who have bendy/flexible values bc 1) it lessens his respect for them and 2) where is the challenge?! He'd get bored intellectually bc someone like elena would cry about morals but not act on them, someone like katherine would challenge him w betrayals/etc. but never rly challenge his *worldview* (bc she'd agree w it), and someone like caroline would talk too much for his liking bc he prefers the mysterious strong, silent types who'd listen to HIM talk too much (cough BONNIE cough)
In fact, I have a lil crack theory that bon unknowingly triggers kai's huuuge Daddy Issues bc her rigid disapproval of him as a powerful witch subconsciously reminds him of never being good enough for Joshua šŸ’€ so i think in his mind, successfully infecting bonnie with himself and vice versa feels like finally proving that he is good enough for AND deserving of love from (someone like) joshua
ā€œafter-creditsā€ scene.
I hollered. Lmao!
No but they really did gymnastics trying to avoid a Bonnie and Kai scene through the 3 episodes Kai was in. And then the actual Bonkai scene we get at the very end, the writers use Kai to give a blandish introduction for the Petrova.
We already know how ā€œimpressedā€ Kai would be with Katherine - the same level of impressed he felt for Damon (her spiritual doppelgƤnger) and Elena (her literal doppelgļæ½ļæ½nger). Kai wasnā€™t impressed with Damonā€™s tortured, bad boy, ā€œI do evil things but I sometimes feel bad about them and that makes me redeemableā€ act and he wasnā€™t impressed with Elenaā€™s basic looks. People that claim he would have been impressed with her (or she with him for that matter because Katherine had a clear type) are people that are desperate to pair Kai with any white woman.
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@rhaenin-time thank u for using the term "acceptable murders" bc tvd RLY had a nasty tendency to frame certain crimes/murders as "acceptable" while others were framed as "TOO FAR" whenā€¦ a lot of those crimes would acc be quite similar?? Yet despite all the similarities, we (and the characters) were expected to be horrified by some and FINE with the others, with the only real differences b/w them being the RACES of the victims!!
Why does Caroline's Dad (who ABUSED her) get an entire episode dedicated to her sadness over his death (a death he CHOSE by refusing to turn into a vamp) v/s Bonnie's Dad (who was generally good to her) gets NOTHING dedicated to her grief over watching him get brutally murdered in front of an audience??? Why is one of these deaths framed as "woe is me" while the other one's treated like "u win some, u lose some.. welp movin' on!" U can't argue that Bill Forbes was more important than Rudy Hopkins bc... Bill was a guest star visiting Mystic Falls for like 3 episodes after which he died, whereas Rudy was a recurring character for S4-5 and was literally MAYOR of Mystic Falls when he died?!? U also can't argue that "Caroline is a more important character than Bonnie, so her grief deserves more screen-time" bc they're BOTH part of the main cast as Elena's best friends constantly involved with plot-heavy stuff! Add the fact that Caroline's Dad tortured her for being a vampire while Bonnie's Dad actually cared about her and u SHOULD logically have given CARE's dad a brutal death while BON's Dad got a more emotional one but... ???
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^^he's talking about his own daughter being a vampire here, meanwhile:
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....Notice one father sees his daughter as a monster, while the other dad calls his daughter's power A GIFT.
UK I'd also like to add that Tyler's Mom ALSO deserved a more emotional send-off considering she was also brutally murdered while being a very important recurring character who had EQUAL screen-time as Caroline's Mom in S1-3!! Yet.. Sheriff Forbes gets multiple episodes dedicated to her emotional death in S6 while Carol Lockwood gets.. drowned in a fountain by Klaus on her own property in S4. And Tyler's rightful rage over it is dismissed by the others basically ignoring it & not even checking on him??? Meanwhile the world STOPS for Caroline's Mom and Dad dying (MOST of the cast showed up at her house to make her feel better about her dad choosing not to transition!! Sheriff Forbes got a whole town-wide funeral bc of her title as sheriff.. yet Tyler's Mom didn't get that as MAYOR?? and Bonnie's Dad ALSO didn't get that AS MAYOR?) Notice how Tyler & Bon were both played by PoC actors, tvd...
I can see why u got overwhelmed by outlining a TVD video essay bc clearly, there is SO MUCH that would need to be covered, but if u ever decide to go ahead with it, i will 10/10 watch it xD There's also a few TVD vid essays out there (like jenny nicholson's) that u could check out for inspo on how to separate the show's issues into smaller topics/essays if that's intimidating you! (Or, uk, come ask crazy ppl like me if u need a sounding board hahaha i'd be happy to help u arrange ur ideas into smaller essays too, if u rly wanna do it!)
You get kai and bonnie so much together and individually everything you say fits them in canon so well it's too bad the writers really fumbled with them because when kai showed up he was a breath of fresh air and the best part about him is he's all about bonnie that was new and realistic bonkai was their last shot at getting the vampire diaries interest back up again
AH thank you so much for this lovely message, you're so sweet!! Yes, it really is such a shame the writers fumbled Bonkai bc it rly did seem like they had some great ideas there in the beginning, but the execution fell flat :( I feel like Kai was a breath of fresh air not just for us fans but also the cast & crew! U could rly feel their spark of new excitement for a dying show when kai showed up bc i think they all sensed that he was unique and different from the tired, recycled plotlines they'd had since S4.
Ian in particular seemed much more interested in his scenes when Kai was around (and much more lifeless when he wasn't) and Bonnie ofc was *given* much more interesting scenes when Kai was around, compared to prior seasons. Even Alaric & Jo, who started S6 as rick's new boring romance of the season, became relevant, layered and interesting bc of their links to Kai. Like rick loved to play the hero & act like damon was morally beneath him in S6 but his need to protect Jo from Kai brought out a selfish streak that made him go behind Jo & her fam's back to make shady deals w Damon & Kai as long as it kept Jo safe! Even Jo was revealed to be quite crafty considering her backstory of how she tricked & betrayed Kai in 1994, which made her much more interesting than her early role as rick's bland gf.
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Even Liv & Luke were (im sorry) SO BORING in S5 but 1000x more interesting in S6 once their story got linked to Kai. His existence single-handedly linked so many disjointed characters & plotlines from previous seasons (like why'd they even bring Rick back after dying in S3? His relationship w Jo (and by extension, Kai) was the only thing that made him relevant for the rest of the goddamn show)! Even the Heretics were introduced to the show through KAI & the gemini/siphoner lore and fully lost steam as soon as Kai wasn't there to make 'em interesting!
As for Kai's links to Bonnie, ya i agree she rly was their last chance to make things interesting bc they'd already given Elena & Caroline "dark" romances that fans were too attached to to accept anything else (see: Delena being forced to stay together; Steroline forever being overshadowed in most fans' minds by Klaroline) so giving Elena & Caroline new pairings would've disappointed fans, whereas Bonnie was a blank slate they could've gone WILD with bc none of her canon pairings had strongly attached fans... yet they gave Elena & Caroline new romances anyway and scrapped Bon's romance with Kai :)))
That is what felt malicious. In S6 alone, they gave Elena who ALREADY HAD DAMON the new guy Liam, then gave Caroline the same guy Liam, Enzo (briefly) AND Stefan, whereas Bon *almost* got Kai & *fully* lost Jeremy in S6. ??? Any writer who paid half as much attention to her fans as Plague did (considering how much ott fan-service she wrote into tvd & how many twitter fights she got into w fans whose ships she disapproved of) HAD to have known her fans wouldn't accept Caroline/Enzo, Care/Stef, Care/Liam or Elena/Liam as much as they loved Care/Klaus & Elena/Damon. Yet she did it anyway bc she preferred LOSING FANS to giving Bonnie someone interesting!
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She even planned Kai to be Bon's love interest in S6 bc she thought he wouldn't be popular w fans & instantly torpedoed that once she noticed fans' love for him bc, as I said before, Plague PAID ATTENTION to her fans' reactions. So fans having lukewarm feelings about Steroline was enough to get 'em married, but fans LIKING Kai was enough to get Bonkai axed. It's a common joke that Plague saw Caroline as her self-insert (neurotic, hyper-organized blonde control-freak) which is why she dated more men than even Elena. But I think a large chunk of tvd's white teen girl fans saw Care as a self-insert too (bc w each subsequent season, Caroline was increasingly written & designed that way, which is why fans turned on tvd's original self-insert, Elena, & worshipped Care instead).
Her "im never the one, im not perfect like elena" insecurities made her a blank canvas for (white) girls to see themselves in, which is why she wins Miss Mystic Falls, why she's a privileged Founding Fam member, why she gets to dress fancy & go to Mikaelson balls that have nothing to do w her, why she gets ALL the men, why she becomes the 1st vampire to be pregnant, why she gets to marry Stefan (then instantly lose him so she can go kiss Klaus in the spin-off), why she gets to be tvd's last vampire standing, why she repeatedly gets to have her cake and eat it too. By presenting Elena as "perfect/ideal" & Caroline as an "underdog," fans naturally sympathized more with Care's "struggle" (even tho she repeatedly got EVERYTHING!) Based on this, Plague refused to let ppl like Klaus date Bonnie (which would've made sense) but shoved him w Caroline (which didn't make narrative sense) bc that gave her & white fans the chance to see themselves in Care & feel like THEY were dating Klaus.
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(Btw I wanna add that I actually do like & enjoy Caroline! This is a critique of the shadiness that went into *writing* Caroline, not a critique of Caroline herself)
Similarly, Kai was allowed to want Bonnie as long as fans didn't like him, but once he got popular, Plague killed Bonkai bc she believed that she & her (white) fans wouldn't be able to see themselves in Bonnie and feel like THEY were the ones dating Kai. But Kai was not Klaus, Stefan, Damon, Enzo or Kol. His character was CONCEIVED w Bonnie in mind to the point that erasing his obsession w her would make him not even feel like KAI anymore. And that wouldn't work bc fans wanted gucci kai, not walmart kai. Also, his general personality quirks were just not the type that would vibe w Caroline. Chris Wood said it himself, "Kai likes to be the one who talks, he doesn't like to listen, so I think Caroline might make him wanna snap her neck & move on" bc Caroline ALSO likes to talk. So writing him w Care would change Kai too much & writing him w Elena was not an option bc Delena was set in stone & Nina was leaving. So, how'd plague have her cake & eat it too? She refused to let Bon have Kai, and bc there was no other white girl who made sense for him, she kept Kai eternally single so white fans could eternally imagine themselves w him.
And uk what's the worst part? I don't believe all white fans would've necessarily struggled to see themselves in Bonnie if she'd dated Kai. I think Bonnie being the ACTUAL underdog struggler of the show made her very relatable to people, regardless of what your race is (esp bc tvd rarely addressed her race or centered any plotlines on it). I think Plague's own subconscious biases just made it impossible for her to fathom seeing herself in a PoC character, which is why she wrongly assumed all her majority white fans worked the same way & letting Bonkai happen would've disappointed them & made them stop watching. (But that being said, even if it was just a "business decision" to her... isn't it funny how disappointing masses of white klaroline fans didn't stop her from tossing Care at stef, enzo, whoever she wanted, but ONLY stopped her when it came to Bonnie's ships (bc she was looking for excuses to scrap 'em anyway)? Oh plagueee ur biases are showing, girlieee)
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That ask you got about if Kai wouldā€™ve saved Bonnie in 6x22 and how you think it wouldā€™ve been out of spite šŸ˜‚
I just wanna say Respectablealcoholic has a beautifully written fic centered around exactly that. Itā€™s called the Hearsay Series. The first part ā€œThe Invitation Barrierā€ is about Bonnie and Kaiā€™s dynamic immediately after he saves her in 6x22 after Damon leaves her to die.
HAHAHA I'm glad you liked my answer lmfao even I cracked up myself when I realized "no kai srsly would save bonnie out. of. SPITE." šŸ’€
Thank you for ur amazing fic rec!! I actually read @respectable-alcoholic's Heresy series waaayyy back before I even had a tumblr or ao3 and I remember the thrill of refreshing ffn.net every few days/weeks back then to see if a new chapter had come out yet :') (yes folks, this was a time when more of the bonkai fandom posted on ffn rather than ao3 lol!) And you are SO RIGHT anon, I think Bonnie and Kai *both* had many moments of descending to such extreme levels of spite in that series, it had me glued to the screen!
The whole trilogy was an emotional roller-coaster that I strongly recommend. The angst, tension, conflicts and smut were *sublime* and pretty believable extensions of canon imo, tho i will say- when that story got dark, it got DARK. Like my soul sometimes felt *heavy* bc the series did not shy away from letting characters brutally hit their lowest points and it was gut-wrenchingly painful, but also necessary for that story tbh. Really intense series overall, people go check it out if u haven't already! It's like an iconic part of the bonkai fandom collection srsly ask anyone!
AO3: https://archiveofourown.org/series/520816
FFN (link to the first chapter): https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11716708/1/The-Invitation-Barrier
Happy reading, guys! And thank u, anon! <3
(Btw does anyone else remember reading this fic as it was coming out? No joke i remember *exactly* where i was the first time bonkai kissed in this series BAHAHA core memory)
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"at some point, they [vampires] did start to stand in for special and elite."
This... feels so extra insidious when you begin to do the math of how many vampires in TVD were white VS how many witches and werewolves were POC who explicitly got screwed over/murdered/etc. by white vampires OH GOD MAKE IT STOP PLS MAKE IT STOP i can't unsee it now..
(Also lmfao at the way Elena vs Caroline can rly be summarized as pick me/Not Like Other Girls nonsense in a nutshell ur so right šŸ˜­)
It's extra funny bc Elena was initially framed as an NLOG & Caroline was the original "most girls" -> they're LITERALLY "sheee wears short skirts [Caroline]; I wear T-shirts [Elena]; she's cheer captain [Caroline] and I'm on the bleachers [Elena]" šŸ’€ but then it completely flipped
You get kai and bonnie so much together and individually everything you say fits them in canon so well it's too bad the writers really fumbled with them because when kai showed up he was a breath of fresh air and the best part about him is he's all about bonnie that was new and realistic bonkai was their last shot at getting the vampire diaries interest back up again
AH thank you so much for this lovely message, you're so sweet!! Yes, it really is such a shame the writers fumbled Bonkai bc it rly did seem like they had some great ideas there in the beginning, but the execution fell flat :( I feel like Kai was a breath of fresh air not just for us fans but also the cast & crew! U could rly feel their spark of new excitement for a dying show when kai showed up bc i think they all sensed that he was unique and different from the tired, recycled plotlines they'd had since S4.
Ian in particular seemed much more interested in his scenes when Kai was around (and much more lifeless when he wasn't) and Bonnie ofc was *given* much more interesting scenes when Kai was around, compared to prior seasons. Even Alaric & Jo, who started S6 as rick's new boring romance of the season, became relevant, layered and interesting bc of their links to Kai. Like rick loved to play the hero & act like damon was morally beneath him in S6 but his need to protect Jo from Kai brought out a selfish streak that made him go behind Jo & her fam's back to make shady deals w Damon & Kai as long as it kept Jo safe! Even Jo was revealed to be quite crafty considering her backstory of how she tricked & betrayed Kai in 1994, which made her much more interesting than her early role as rick's bland gf.
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Even Liv & Luke were (im sorry) SO BORING in S5 but 1000x more interesting in S6 once their story got linked to Kai. His existence single-handedly linked so many disjointed characters & plotlines from previous seasons (like why'd they even bring Rick back after dying in S3? His relationship w Jo (and by extension, Kai) was the only thing that made him relevant for the rest of the goddamn show)! Even the Heretics were introduced to the show through KAI & the gemini/siphoner lore and fully lost steam as soon as Kai wasn't there to make 'em interesting!
As for Kai's links to Bonnie, ya i agree she rly was their last chance to make things interesting bc they'd already given Elena & Caroline "dark" romances that fans were too attached to to accept anything else (see: Delena being forced to stay together; Steroline forever being overshadowed in most fans' minds by Klaroline) so giving Elena & Caroline new pairings would've disappointed fans, whereas Bonnie was a blank slate they could've gone WILD with bc none of her canon pairings had strongly attached fans... yet they gave Elena & Caroline new romances anyway and scrapped Bon's romance with Kai :)))
That is what felt malicious. In S6 alone, they gave Elena who ALREADY HAD DAMON the new guy Liam, then gave Caroline the same guy Liam, Enzo (briefly) AND Stefan, whereas Bon *almost* got Kai & *fully* lost Jeremy in S6. ??? Any writer who paid half as much attention to her fans as Plague did (considering how much ott fan-service she wrote into tvd & how many twitter fights she got into w fans whose ships she disapproved of) HAD to have known her fans wouldn't accept Caroline/Enzo, Care/Stef, Care/Liam or Elena/Liam as much as they loved Care/Klaus & Elena/Damon. Yet she did it anyway bc she preferred LOSING FANS to giving Bonnie someone interesting!
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She even planned Kai to be Bon's love interest in S6 bc she thought he wouldn't be popular w fans & instantly torpedoed that once she noticed fans' love for him bc, as I said before, Plague PAID ATTENTION to her fans' reactions. So fans having lukewarm feelings about Steroline was enough to get 'em married, but fans LIKING Kai was enough to get Bonkai axed. It's a common joke that Plague saw Caroline as her self-insert (neurotic, hyper-organized blonde control-freak) which is why she dated more men than even Elena. But I think a large chunk of tvd's white teen girl fans saw Care as a self-insert too (bc w each subsequent season, Caroline was increasingly written & designed that way, which is why fans turned on tvd's original self-insert, Elena, & worshipped Care instead).
Her "im never the one, im not perfect like elena" insecurities made her a blank canvas for (white) girls to see themselves in, which is why she wins Miss Mystic Falls, why she's a privileged Founding Fam member, why she gets to dress fancy & go to Mikaelson balls that have nothing to do w her, why she gets ALL the men, why she becomes the 1st vampire to be pregnant, why she gets to marry Stefan (then instantly lose him so she can go kiss Klaus in the spin-off), why she gets to be tvd's last vampire standing, why she repeatedly gets to have her cake and eat it too. By presenting Elena as "perfect/ideal" & Caroline as an "underdog," fans naturally sympathized more with Care's "struggle" (even tho she repeatedly got EVERYTHING!) Based on this, Plague refused to let ppl like Klaus date Bonnie (which would've made sense) but shoved him w Caroline (which didn't make narrative sense) bc that gave her & white fans the chance to see themselves in Care & feel like THEY were dating Klaus.
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(Btw I wanna add that I actually do like & enjoy Caroline! This is a critique of the shadiness that went into *writing* Caroline, not a critique of Caroline herself)
Similarly, Kai was allowed to want Bonnie as long as fans didn't like him, but once he got popular, Plague killed Bonkai bc she believed that she & her (white) fans wouldn't be able to see themselves in Bonnie and feel like THEY were the ones dating Kai. But Kai was not Klaus, Stefan, Damon, Enzo or Kol. His character was CONCEIVED w Bonnie in mind to the point that erasing his obsession w her would make him not even feel like KAI anymore. And that wouldn't work bc fans wanted gucci kai, not walmart kai. Also, his general personality quirks were just not the type that would vibe w Caroline. Chris Wood said it himself, "Kai likes to be the one who talks, he doesn't like to listen, so I think Caroline might make him wanna snap her neck & move on" bc Caroline ALSO likes to talk. So writing him w Care would change Kai too much & writing him w Elena was not an option bc Delena was set in stone & Nina was leaving. So, how'd plague have her cake & eat it too? She refused to let Bon have Kai, and bc there was no other white girl who made sense for him, she kept Kai eternally single so white fans could eternally imagine themselves w him.
And uk what's the worst part? I don't believe all white fans would've necessarily struggled to see themselves in Bonnie if she'd dated Kai. I think Bonnie being the ACTUAL underdog struggler of the show made her very relatable to people, regardless of what your race is (esp bc tvd rarely addressed her race or centered any plotlines on it). I think Plague's own subconscious biases just made it impossible for her to fathom seeing herself in a PoC character, which is why she wrongly assumed all her majority white fans worked the same way & letting Bonkai happen would've disappointed them & made them stop watching. (But that being said, even if it was just a "business decision" to her... isn't it funny how disappointing masses of white klaroline fans didn't stop her from tossing Care at stef, enzo, whoever she wanted, but ONLY stopped her when it came to Bonnie's ships (bc she was looking for excuses to scrap 'em anyway)? Oh plagueee ur biases are showing, girlieee)
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@rhaenin-time WAIT that "trapped in an island" self-insert scenario hilariously seems like *exactly* what happened to Plague with Elena vs Caroline lmfaooo šŸ’€
Like even down to the no. of times tvd pitted elena against caroline when it came to men, vamp powers, and even friendships (bonnie)! I think S4 was one of the most obvious examples of it bc of the no. of comparisons they drew b/w Elena struggling to cope w vampirism and Caroline adapting to it much better than her & OMG that moment when Elena had her humanity off and picked a fight with Caroline and got her ass beaten, all while the two of them took turns slut-shaming & being downright hostile to each other throughout S4 my god what a mess... The best way to notice the difference b/w the show's framing of Caroline vs Elena is to pay attention to how S4 humanityoff!Elena did bitchy things & INSTANTLY got put in her place for it vs S6 humanityoff!Caroline did horrific things too but the characters AROUND her got punished for it more than her.
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Even the core ethos of the show changed when the self-insert shifted from elena to caroline! Notice how tvd's core message had always been "humanity > vampirism" in S1 back when Elena was the self-insert, which is why the show's "morally good" vampires e.g. stefan envied & admired her humanity while the "morally bad" vampires e.g. damon, isobel, katherine preferred vampirism to being human, which was framed as less noble of them. Jump to S3-4 & slowly that worldview starts changing along w the show's preference for Care over Elena. Suddenly, we have characters like Damon becoming "good/noble" yet still preferring vampirism to humanity, while characters like Rebekah & Silas are framed as "bad" but now hungering for humanity/the Cure to vampirism, which is the total opposite of tvd's S1-2 ethos.
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By S3-4, the show's original stance^^ on "Humanity vs Vampirism" began shifting & was no longer framed as "Honor/Morality vs Lack of Morals," but rather framed as "the Boring Choice vs the Cool Choice." So characters like stefan & elena are now considered "boring" rather than "noble" for favoring humanity over vampirism by S4 (hell, in Stefan's case, the show even frames him as WRONG/BAD now for wanting to help elena turn human again...... which is what she'd consistently wanted for all of S1-3 until randomly changing her mind in S4!! No wonder stef wanted to help her bruh!?). Meanwhile, Caroline is framed as an aspirational girlboss for preferring vampirism over humanity in S4-6 (while fandom views elena as a weak whiner for missing being human). Even Elena's "girlboss" move of feeding Katherine the Cure in 4x23, which would've been framed as a heavy "im gonna sacrifice my intense desire for humanity just to save us from katherine" moment in S2, instead got framed as a petty joke by S4-5 like "hehe lets give katherine some icky lame humanity" as if it's a DISEASE šŸ’€ with like NO angst whatsoever about elena/stefan/whomever watching katherine waste her shot at humanity that should've been theirs!!
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THAT big of a perspective & worldview shift w/i tvd's core messaging happened so abruptly all bc human Elena was no longer the gold standard self-insert, and got replaced by vampire Caroline! WILD. No wonder the series finale turning all the vamps human again (except Caroline) felt so hollow as a "happy ending" bc.. was it really?? In tvd S1-2, all the "good" vamps would've considered being human again a happy ending, but by S8 after tvd's shift to "humanity < vampirism"? Turning them human again felt more like a PUNISHMENT lmfaooo i mean why else was plague physically unable to do that to her self-insert Caroline, while sparing NO ONE else..?
What sucks is they rly could've handled that shift from humanity > vampirism to vampirism > humanity with more grace and compelling character arcs (for more ppl besides just caroline) if they wanted, but nuance is one of many things tvd lacked sighhh
(BTW where do i find the link to this josh hutcherson self-insert roast by jenny nicholson?? LOL)
You get kai and bonnie so much together and individually everything you say fits them in canon so well it's too bad the writers really fumbled with them because when kai showed up he was a breath of fresh air and the best part about him is he's all about bonnie that was new and realistic bonkai was their last shot at getting the vampire diaries interest back up again
AH thank you so much for this lovely message, you're so sweet!! Yes, it really is such a shame the writers fumbled Bonkai bc it rly did seem like they had some great ideas there in the beginning, but the execution fell flat :( I feel like Kai was a breath of fresh air not just for us fans but also the cast & crew! U could rly feel their spark of new excitement for a dying show when kai showed up bc i think they all sensed that he was unique and different from the tired, recycled plotlines they'd had since S4.
Ian in particular seemed much more interested in his scenes when Kai was around (and much more lifeless when he wasn't) and Bonnie ofc was *given* much more interesting scenes when Kai was around, compared to prior seasons. Even Alaric & Jo, who started S6 as rick's new boring romance of the season, became relevant, layered and interesting bc of their links to Kai. Like rick loved to play the hero & act like damon was morally beneath him in S6 but his need to protect Jo from Kai brought out a selfish streak that made him go behind Jo & her fam's back to make shady deals w Damon & Kai as long as it kept Jo safe! Even Jo was revealed to be quite crafty considering her backstory of how she tricked & betrayed Kai in 1994, which made her much more interesting than her early role as rick's bland gf.
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Even Liv & Luke were (im sorry) SO BORING in S5 but 1000x more interesting in S6 once their story got linked to Kai. His existence single-handedly linked so many disjointed characters & plotlines from previous seasons (like why'd they even bring Rick back after dying in S3? His relationship w Jo (and by extension, Kai) was the only thing that made him relevant for the rest of the goddamn show)! Even the Heretics were introduced to the show through KAI & the gemini/siphoner lore and fully lost steam as soon as Kai wasn't there to make 'em interesting!
As for Kai's links to Bonnie, ya i agree she rly was their last chance to make things interesting bc they'd already given Elena & Caroline "dark" romances that fans were too attached to to accept anything else (see: Delena being forced to stay together; Steroline forever being overshadowed in most fans' minds by Klaroline) so giving Elena & Caroline new pairings would've disappointed fans, whereas Bonnie was a blank slate they could've gone WILD with bc none of her canon pairings had strongly attached fans... yet they gave Elena & Caroline new romances anyway and scrapped Bon's romance with Kai :)))
That is what felt malicious. In S6 alone, they gave Elena who ALREADY HAD DAMON the new guy Liam, then gave Caroline the same guy Liam, Enzo (briefly) AND Stefan, whereas Bon *almost* got Kai & *fully* lost Jeremy in S6. ??? Any writer who paid half as much attention to her fans as Plague did (considering how much ott fan-service she wrote into tvd & how many twitter fights she got into w fans whose ships she disapproved of) HAD to have known her fans wouldn't accept Caroline/Enzo, Care/Stef, Care/Liam or Elena/Liam as much as they loved Care/Klaus & Elena/Damon. Yet she did it anyway bc she preferred LOSING FANS to giving Bonnie someone interesting!
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She even planned Kai to be Bon's love interest in S6 bc she thought he wouldn't be popular w fans & instantly torpedoed that once she noticed fans' love for him bc, as I said before, Plague PAID ATTENTION to her fans' reactions. So fans having lukewarm feelings about Steroline was enough to get 'em married, but fans LIKING Kai was enough to get Bonkai axed. It's a common joke that Plague saw Caroline as her self-insert (neurotic, hyper-organized blonde control-freak) which is why she dated more men than even Elena. But I think a large chunk of tvd's white teen girl fans saw Care as a self-insert too (bc w each subsequent season, Caroline was increasingly written & designed that way, which is why fans turned on tvd's original self-insert, Elena, & worshipped Care instead).
Her "im never the one, im not perfect like elena" insecurities made her a blank canvas for (white) girls to see themselves in, which is why she wins Miss Mystic Falls, why she's a privileged Founding Fam member, why she gets to dress fancy & go to Mikaelson balls that have nothing to do w her, why she gets ALL the men, why she becomes the 1st vampire to be pregnant, why she gets to marry Stefan (then instantly lose him so she can go kiss Klaus in the spin-off), why she gets to be tvd's last vampire standing, why she repeatedly gets to have her cake and eat it too. By presenting Elena as "perfect/ideal" & Caroline as an "underdog," fans naturally sympathized more with Care's "struggle" (even tho she repeatedly got EVERYTHING!) Based on this, Plague refused to let ppl like Klaus date Bonnie (which would've made sense) but shoved him w Caroline (which didn't make narrative sense) bc that gave her & white fans the chance to see themselves in Care & feel like THEY were dating Klaus.
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(Btw I wanna add that I actually do like & enjoy Caroline! This is a critique of the shadiness that went into *writing* Caroline, not a critique of Caroline herself)
Similarly, Kai was allowed to want Bonnie as long as fans didn't like him, but once he got popular, Plague killed Bonkai bc she believed that she & her (white) fans wouldn't be able to see themselves in Bonnie and feel like THEY were the ones dating Kai. But Kai was not Klaus, Stefan, Damon, Enzo or Kol. His character was CONCEIVED w Bonnie in mind to the point that erasing his obsession w her would make him not even feel like KAI anymore. And that wouldn't work bc fans wanted gucci kai, not walmart kai. Also, his general personality quirks were just not the type that would vibe w Caroline. Chris Wood said it himself, "Kai likes to be the one who talks, he doesn't like to listen, so I think Caroline might make him wanna snap her neck & move on" bc Caroline ALSO likes to talk. So writing him w Care would change Kai too much & writing him w Elena was not an option bc Delena was set in stone & Nina was leaving. So, how'd plague have her cake & eat it too? She refused to let Bon have Kai, and bc there was no other white girl who made sense for him, she kept Kai eternally single so white fans could eternally imagine themselves w him.
And uk what's the worst part? I don't believe all white fans would've necessarily struggled to see themselves in Bonnie if she'd dated Kai. I think Bonnie being the ACTUAL underdog struggler of the show made her very relatable to people, regardless of what your race is (esp bc tvd rarely addressed her race or centered any plotlines on it). I think Plague's own subconscious biases just made it impossible for her to fathom seeing herself in a PoC character, which is why she wrongly assumed all her majority white fans worked the same way & letting Bonkai happen would've disappointed them & made them stop watching. (But that being said, even if it was just a "business decision" to her... isn't it funny how disappointing masses of white klaroline fans didn't stop her from tossing Care at stef, enzo, whoever she wanted, but ONLY stopped her when it came to Bonnie's ships (bc she was looking for excuses to scrap 'em anyway)? Oh plagueee ur biases are showing, girlieee)
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@upper-echelon-h3arts Right?? the utter FRUSTRATION (...both for the fans & for the characters with all that pent up tension, i mean PHEW šŸ˜®ā€šŸ’Ø)
Favorite bonkai moment?
Wow it's been a while since I got one of these haha! MM I'd say my answer to this changes pretty often but rn I think it's the 6x05 scene when Bonnie challenges Kai to siphon her in the woods in front of Damon *just* to prove Kai doesn't actually know the spell to get them out of 1994. I enjoyed how Bonkai were so wrapped up in their petty power struggle that Damon ended up feeling like a third wheel with nothing to do there xD It showed that Bonnie and Kai were on a similar mental wavelength, somehow able to sense what the other was thinking/hiding, whereas Damon was left feeling lost and out of touch with their battle of wits. Also, I appreciated Bonnie being confident enough in her own intuition and skills as a witch to take a giant risk with Kai and be proven right!
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That being said, this scene was also the first time Bonnie ever murdered another character in canon, and I wish the show had.. emphasized that more?? She remorselessly kills Kai with no idea that he'll respawn and yes, Kai deserved it, but how did neither Damon nor Bonnie discuss the fact that Kai was her first kill ever?? That's huge! Ofc tvd had lost a lot of their care for continuity by that point so they prob didn't even realize Bonnie had never killed anyone before Kai when they wrote that scene but STILL.
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But yea, as of now, that's currently my fav Bonkai scene! It was also one of the first times their sexual tension was so absurdly LOUD to me and in-your-face that I had to pause the scene and wonder if it was intentional or not.. bc I thought "SURELY it can't be ambiguous subtext anymore if it's THAT overt, right??" As a fan of many shows, have I been guilty of reading too much into innocent scenes to find underlying meaning that isn't there or wasn't intended by the creators? Eh, sure. But with scenes like THIS, there's no way the vibe wasn't there!!! You'd have to be willfully blind not to see it!
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You get kai and bonnie so much together and individually everything you say fits them in canon so well it's too bad the writers really fumbled with them because when kai showed up he was a breath of fresh air and the best part about him is he's all about bonnie that was new and realistic bonkai was their last shot at getting the vampire diaries interest back up again
AH thank you so much for this lovely message, you're so sweet!! Yes, it really is such a shame the writers fumbled Bonkai bc it rly did seem like they had some great ideas there in the beginning, but the execution fell flat :( I feel like Kai was a breath of fresh air not just for us fans but also the cast & crew! U could rly feel their spark of new excitement for a dying show when kai showed up bc i think they all sensed that he was unique and different from the tired, recycled plotlines they'd had since S4.
Ian in particular seemed much more interested in his scenes when Kai was around (and much more lifeless when he wasn't) and Bonnie ofc was *given* much more interesting scenes when Kai was around, compared to prior seasons. Even Alaric & Jo, who started S6 as rick's new boring romance of the season, became relevant, layered and interesting bc of their links to Kai. Like rick loved to play the hero & act like damon was morally beneath him in S6 but his need to protect Jo from Kai brought out a selfish streak that made him go behind Jo & her fam's back to make shady deals w Damon & Kai as long as it kept Jo safe! Even Jo was revealed to be quite crafty considering her backstory of how she tricked & betrayed Kai in 1994, which made her much more interesting than her early role as rick's bland gf.
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Even Liv & Luke were (im sorry) SO BORING in S5 but 1000x more interesting in S6 once their story got linked to Kai. His existence single-handedly linked so many disjointed characters & plotlines from previous seasons (like why'd they even bring Rick back after dying in S3? His relationship w Jo (and by extension, Kai) was the only thing that made him relevant for the rest of the goddamn show)! Even the Heretics were introduced to the show through KAI & the gemini/siphoner lore and fully lost steam as soon as Kai wasn't there to make 'em interesting!
As for Kai's links to Bonnie, ya i agree she rly was their last chance to make things interesting bc they'd already given Elena & Caroline "dark" romances that fans were too attached to to accept anything else (see: Delena being forced to stay together; Steroline forever being overshadowed in most fans' minds by Klaroline) so giving Elena & Caroline new pairings would've disappointed fans, whereas Bonnie was a blank slate they could've gone WILD with bc none of her canon pairings had strongly attached fans... yet they gave Elena & Caroline new romances anyway and scrapped Bon's romance with Kai :)))
That is what felt malicious. In S6 alone, they gave Elena who ALREADY HAD DAMON the new guy Liam, then gave Caroline the same guy Liam, Enzo (briefly) AND Stefan, whereas Bon *almost* got Kai & *fully* lost Jeremy in S6. ??? Any writer who paid half as much attention to her fans as Plague did (considering how much ott fan-service she wrote into tvd & how many twitter fights she got into w fans whose ships she disapproved of) HAD to have known her fans wouldn't accept Caroline/Enzo, Care/Stef, Care/Liam or Elena/Liam as much as they loved Care/Klaus & Elena/Damon. Yet she did it anyway bc she preferred LOSING FANS to giving Bonnie someone interesting!
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She even planned Kai to be Bon's love interest in S6 bc she thought he wouldn't be popular w fans & instantly torpedoed that once she noticed fans' love for him bc, as I said before, Plague PAID ATTENTION to her fans' reactions. So fans having lukewarm feelings about Steroline was enough to get 'em married, but fans LIKING Kai was enough to get Bonkai axed. It's a common joke that Plague saw Caroline as her self-insert (neurotic, hyper-organized blonde control-freak) which is why she dated more men than even Elena. But I think a large chunk of tvd's white teen girl fans saw Care as a self-insert too (bc w each subsequent season, Caroline was increasingly written & designed that way, which is why fans turned on tvd's original self-insert, Elena, & worshipped Care instead).
Her "im never the one, im not perfect like elena" insecurities made her a blank canvas for (white) girls to see themselves in, which is why she wins Miss Mystic Falls, why she's a privileged Founding Fam member, why she gets to dress fancy & go to Mikaelson balls that have nothing to do w her, why she gets ALL the men, why she becomes the 1st vampire to be pregnant, why she gets to marry Stefan (then instantly lose him so she can go kiss Klaus in the spin-off), why she gets to be tvd's last vampire standing, why she repeatedly gets to have her cake and eat it too. By presenting Elena as "perfect/ideal" & Caroline as an "underdog," fans naturally sympathized more with Care's "struggle" (even tho she repeatedly got EVERYTHING!) Based on this, Plague refused to let ppl like Klaus date Bonnie (which would've made sense) but shoved him w Caroline (which didn't make narrative sense) bc that gave her & white fans the chance to see themselves in Care & feel like THEY were dating Klaus.
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(Btw I wanna add that I actually do like & enjoy Caroline! This is a critique of the shadiness that went into *writing* Caroline, not a critique of Caroline herself)
Similarly, Kai was allowed to want Bonnie as long as fans didn't like him, but once he got popular, Plague killed Bonkai bc she believed that she & her (white) fans wouldn't be able to see themselves in Bonnie and feel like THEY were the ones dating Kai. But Kai was not Klaus, Stefan, Damon, Enzo or Kol. His character was CONCEIVED w Bonnie in mind to the point that erasing his obsession w her would make him not even feel like KAI anymore. And that wouldn't work bc fans wanted gucci kai, not walmart kai. Also, his general personality quirks were just not the type that would vibe w Caroline. Chris Wood said it himself, "Kai likes to be the one who talks, he doesn't like to listen, so I think Caroline might make him wanna snap her neck & move on" bc Caroline ALSO likes to talk. So writing him w Care would change Kai too much & writing him w Elena was not an option bc Delena was set in stone & Nina was leaving. So, how'd plague have her cake & eat it too? She refused to let Bon have Kai, and bc there was no other white girl who made sense for him, she kept Kai eternally single so white fans could eternally imagine themselves w him.
And uk what's the worst part? I don't believe all white fans would've necessarily struggled to see themselves in Bonnie if she'd dated Kai. I think Bonnie being the ACTUAL underdog struggler of the show made her very relatable to people, regardless of what your race is (esp bc tvd rarely addressed her race or centered any plotlines on it). I think Plague's own subconscious biases just made it impossible for her to fathom seeing herself in a PoC character, which is why she wrongly assumed all her majority white fans worked the same way & letting Bonkai happen would've disappointed them & made them stop watching. (But that being said, even if it was just a "business decision" to her... isn't it funny how disappointing masses of white klaroline fans didn't stop her from tossing Care at stef, enzo, whoever she wanted, but ONLY stopped her when it came to Bonnie's ships (bc she was looking for excuses to scrap 'em anyway)? Oh plagueee ur biases are showing, girlieee)
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would kai have saved bonnie if damon left her ?
The simple answer imo is yes - the complicated answer would be his *reasons* for saving her.
I feel like if Kai saved Bonnie in 6x22, it would be VERY different from when he saved her in 6x13 on her bday. In 6x13, saving Bonnie was a huge sacrifice Kai made bc of his newfound guilt and other growing feelings about her. But if Kai saved her in 6x22, that man would do it out of SPITE lmfao. Like sure, maybe a *tiny* fragment of leftover post-merge Kai would save her bc he believed she deserved better, but at the mental state that he was in by 6x22, i think a larger part of him would actually be looking to save her out of this petty urge to make bonnie suffer, bc dying would be too easy for her according to his thought process šŸ’€
In canon, remember how Kai got annoyed by damon seemingly deciding to let bonnie die and choosing elena over her super quickly? He complains, saying smthg like "This decision was supposed to torture him," bc he wanted damon to agonize over the bonnie vs elena choice for a long time. Similarly, i think bonnie dying just like that would eliminate a lot of the angst, pain and tension of the situation, so Kai would save her life *just* so bonnie and damon would be forced to live with the uncomfortable reality of damon choosing elena over her and deal with the emotional fallout of that instead of pretending they have the world's best friendship, as they'd been doing for all of S6 (bc Kai would enjoy watching that mess).
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Ofc, that would probably result in Bonnie aiming a lot of her resentment towards Kai for forcing her to face those hard truths, but maybe, after an initial explosion (and a lil nudging from Kai), she might realize that targeting kai is just shooting the messenger rather than addressing the root problem (her toxic friends). If it hadn't been kai, then somebody else would've made bonnie see the truth but either way, that's something she needed to see.
Realistically, even after this realization, i don't think bonnie would've suddenly warmed up to kai, but i think it might've pushed her to ditch damon instead of sticking around Mystic Falls to help him all the time (which would've consequently made Kai suddenly lose interest in Mystic Falls too xD). If Damon then chose to seek her out to beg her (read: force her) to defeat the town's new villains-of-the-week, or if he found her w his humanity off and tried to kill her to get elena back, i think kai might've surprised them all by appearing out of nowhere to get damon off bonnie's case (bc kai being kai was prob keeping tabs on bonnie's whereabouts as soon as she skipped town).
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And maybe Kai's sudden appearance would've led to a bonkai confrontation with Kai realizing he may have saved her out of spite in 6x22, but there is no explanation for why he saved her from damon this time besides.. *wanting* bonnie to get her life away from her friends. And maybe that would've also led him to unsubtly point out that an elena-free existence had actually made bonnie's life better, thanks to kai.
Bon would probably kick his ass halfway across the world after a comment like that but i think it would stick with her, making its way under her skin as it sinks in that the horrific thing Kai did really did end up working out for her in the long run. Bc as we know, even at his lowest, there was always some part of Kai that begrudgingly wanted bonnie's attention and validation and rly resented her friends getting that from her while walking all over her. It would take a long time, but slowly and surely, i think Bonnie's intuition would eventually pick up on that tiny part of Kai that saved her life to show her that she deserved better. It would be very uncomfortable for her to realize that Big Bad Kai could no longer be an easy scapegoat for all her problems, but that might be just what she needs to finally see Kai as a person, rather than a monster. And from there? Well, looots of opportunities and potential would open up from there šŸ˜
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Kai and bonnie dynamic do you think it would be the same or more intense now if they reunited
My answer to this is, uh... "yes." lol
Allow me to explain! I do think their dynamic would be different, but also somehow the same?? It's like, if they reunited now after so many years, ofc their initial reaction would be just as intense or maybe even MORE intense than before bc Bonnie would be like "wtfwtfwtf" and Kai would be like "letsfuckletsfuckletsfuck" šŸ’€ JK (or am I?)
From Bonnie's end, she'd be more intense about getting rid of him bc I'd like to think she's reached a place in life where she's happy by now so she'd be adamant to defend that from Kai ruining it. On Kai's end, he'd be more intense about invading her life (and her space oop) bc the guy keeps getting killed off so quick that he's prob come to expect to only ever stick around for a short time so he's gotta make a BANG while he can (pun intended šŸ˜)
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I think after that initial intensity tho, if they finally put the spells away and actually TALK, depending on what Kai's reason would be for making it back topside, they might discover that their goals are NOT actually conflicting w/ each other (or maybe they're even aligned) and THAT might lead to a return of their old banter, tho maybe it would start out the same but evolve into an almost.. calmer version of their dynamic eventually? The years might've given them perspective and wisened them up/calmed them down enough to not go stabby stabby every time they're near each other xD
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And who knows? Maybe that calmness would turn into tolerance, which might turn into teamwork, which might turn into a weird kind of trust, which might turn into reluctant support, which might lead to increasing time alone, which might lead to chemistry, which might lead to denial (smh bonnie) and jealousy (smh both), which might lead to SEX, which might lead to "a regular arrangement with no strings attached," which might lead to rising possessiveness, which might lead to growing exclusivity (and FEELINGS), which might lead to a confession of said feelings (Kai, probably - bonbon would RUN), which might lead to a Break TM feat. begrudging mutual pining, which might lead to a Moment of Weakness, followed by several Moment(s) of Weakness(es), which might lead to increasing domesticity, which might lead to Bonnie horrifyingly realizing she's Used To Him Now, which might lead to Kai finally getting her to admit it too, which might lead to them just settling into each other's lives more and finally, begrudgingly ending up together! <3
(If u couldn't tell, I loved this question lol thanks for asking!)
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Favorite bonkai moment?
Wow it's been a while since I got one of these haha! MM I'd say my answer to this changes pretty often but rn I think it's the 6x05 scene when Bonnie challenges Kai to siphon her in the woods in front of Damon *just* to prove Kai doesn't actually know the spell to get them out of 1994. I enjoyed how Bonkai were so wrapped up in their petty power struggle that Damon ended up feeling like a third wheel with nothing to do there xD It showed that Bonnie and Kai were on a similar mental wavelength, somehow able to sense what the other was thinking/hiding, whereas Damon was left feeling lost and out of touch with their battle of wits. Also, I appreciated Bonnie being confident enough in her own intuition and skills as a witch to take a giant risk with Kai and be proven right!
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That being said, this scene was also the first time Bonnie ever murdered another character in canon, and I wish the show had.. emphasized that more?? She remorselessly kills Kai with no idea that he'll respawn and yes, Kai deserved it, but how did neither Damon nor Bonnie discuss the fact that Kai was her first kill ever?? That's huge! Ofc tvd had lost a lot of their care for continuity by that point so they prob didn't even realize Bonnie had never killed anyone before Kai when they wrote that scene but STILL.
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But yea, as of now, that's currently my fav Bonkai scene! It was also one of the first times their sexual tension was so absurdly LOUD to me and in-your-face that I had to pause the scene and wonder if it was intentional or not.. bc I thought "SURELY it can't be ambiguous subtext anymore if it's THAT overt, right??" As a fan of many shows, have I been guilty of reading too much into innocent scenes to find underlying meaning that isn't there or wasn't intended by the creators? Eh, sure. But with scenes like THIS, there's no way the vibe wasn't there!!! You'd have to be willfully blind not to see it!
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Slight flash warning! Helllooooo itā€™s been awhile:) but hereā€™s the kai section of the grimoire that I manage to work on all this time. Sorry for how long that took, but lifeā€™s wild, anywho-hope you like my spin on kais backstory and lore-Iā€™ll be back to post the pages after a good sleep:)
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It's been so hot lately. It gave me inspiration to draw this! Pool day and a sprinkle of spiderdads! :D
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Hello! Hereā€™s a piece I worked on with @buythetickettaketheride21. WeĀ pieced together the different perspectives Bonnie has had about herself throughout the story of ā€˜The Cheerleader and The Punkā€™. It was really fun to do and I hope you guys like it:) Anyways, back to grimoiresXD.Ā 
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Speaking of grimoires, still cranking out more pages and refining. I cant wait to share them with yā€™all when theyā€™re all done:)Ā 
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KATE SHARMA & ANTHONY BRIDGERTON Bridgerton season 2
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