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insanesonofabitch · 5 months

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Kind of funny. SPN was supposed to end in s5, with Sam in Hell, Cas in Heaven, and Dean on Earth, living with a wife and a son. But it ends after ten more season later with Cas in superhell, Dean in Heaven, and Sam on Earth, living with a wife and a son. Like some fucked up game of musical chairs. Except the chairs are never taken, the song remains the same, and they’re just going in circles. Anyways, Happy November 19th.

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mrcowboydeanwinchester · 1 year

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sorry i still find it so absolutely batshit insane that dean rationalises his death in 15x20 as something that was "meant to happen", that he was "supposed to go out this way". you are the free will boy. you have just spent the last season, nay, the last FIFTEEN YEARS fighting to escape every narrative and boundary to be placed upon you that told you you had to go out blaze of glory hunting style. the idea of destiny and fate has driven you so insane you almost killed your child and raised a gun to your brother's head. and you have literally just killed god. AND THEN. you are stood dying in the FINALE saying it's okay because it was always meant to happen this way???????????? WHAT WAS THE POINT. OF ANY OF IT.

#meant to be doing uni work but i'm just #EXPLODING #????????#FATE AND DESTINY DOESNT EXIST ANYMORE YOU LITERALLY JUST KILLED THAT CONCEPT #ONE EPISODE AGO #MAKE IT MAKE SENSE #dean winchester #dean meta #spn #15x20 #s15 #ola originals

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sailorsally · 1 year

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The most devastating thing about the chuck won theory is that it means Cas is still very much in the empty and chuck is oc lying to Dean and it's on Dean to figure it out but Dean is so full of self doubt he could really believe that Cas woul rather be rebuilding heaven than seeing Dean and the more time goes by without Cas showing up and him spending time driving on that endless road alone the harder would it get for him not to get caught in dark thoughts that keep telling him Cas never meant any of what he said because if he did where is he now? Why hasn't he showed up? The only way to get thru this is for Dean to finally believe in himself and his worth. So Cas, before dying did give him the weapon that could ultimately help Dean save him from the empty. Dean just has to realize that.

#chuck won #spn meta #im having such intense destiel feelings today #out of fking nowhere #destiel #15x20 #15x18 #spn #supernatural

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angelsdean · 1 year

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not only did jensen produce his first fanfic but said fanfic is both a prequel and a sequel AND a 15x20 coda / time gap fic AND canon-divergent AND simultaneously set in a completely separate AU. it's also a crossover fic between two shows. and could be a one-shot but has series potential. boy's got so many ao3 tags

#literally i stopped using my spn prequel tag the day the finale aired bc it's actually more of a sequel / coda ??#and it's been blowing my mind. like yes we knew dean's parts were set post-15x20 #but he was mostly voiceover / meta narrative until the spnwin s1 finale where it was like. oh oh ok yea he's actively in this story #dean's progressing HIS own story too. and when we got confirmation that this all takes place during the heaven drive it's like !!!!!#this is literally a fanfic gap. literally a time gap fic #and i love it so much #vic.txt #spnwin

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bi4bisamjess · 3 months

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God not to restate the obvious but supernatural’s ending was such bogus bullshit that it makes my head explode. Just. The Winchester brothers have experienced death. They’ve escaped it too many times for it to have any weight or meaning. Why should Dean stay dead? There’s no real reason. What makes this time stick other than the end of the narrative?

The Winchester brothers have experienced death. They’ve had plenty of grief and tragedy. There is no narrative. God is dead. Why not have them live? Why not have them be happy?

#something something supernatural is 15 seasons of:#brother dies. the other grieves. the other other brother is alive again #it just would be infinitely more compelling to explore the Winchester’s idea of peace after arguably lifetimes of constant unrest #other than one dying and the other grieving him #just like fucking always.#ada.txt #spn #supernatural #sam winchester #dean winchester #samjess #destiel #castiel #spn meta #spn season 15 #15x18 #15x20

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youchangedmedean · 2 years

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Dean’s Outfit in The Winchesters Trailer

Here I am, back on my obsession with Dean’s clothing and able to put it to good use.

We see Dean in the trailer not looking exactly like we know him. However, we know his outfit.

He is wearing his black denim jacket, light denim shirt and mid blue jeans. I am guessing this is heaven by the license plate but it is not his heaven outfit from 15x20. Dean has had the jacket since s11 and wore it in s15 for

15x04 Atomic Monsters

15x08 Our Father Who Aren’t in Heaven

15x09 The Trap

The shirt was new for s15 and worn in :

15x04 Atomic Monsters

15x08 Our Father Who Aren’t in Heaven

15x09 The Trap

15x14 The Last Holiday

15x15 Gimme Shelter

15x20 Carry On

While they were both in Atomic Monsters (directed by Jackles himself) they were not worn together. They were worn together in 15x08 and 15x09. Yes, this outfit travels to both hell and purgatory.

And Jensen finds it so significant that he decided Dean would wear it the first time we see him in The Winchesters. I also want to note that it was worn in 15x04 to kill a vampire. And Dean died on a Vampire Hunt. In this case the parents were getting him human blood. They said Sam and Dean couldn’t understand because they are not parents. “We just wanted him to have a normal life”. Can’t help but think this could take on new meaning with the prequel.

It was also interspersed with Chuck and Becky with this memorable scene

BECKY: Okay. If I had to give one note… the jeopardy, Chuck. It’s feeling a little… thin? Low stakes? It’s fun to hear the boys’ voices, but a story is only as good as its villain, and these villains are just not feeling very… dangerous? Not to mention, there’s no classic rock. No one even mentions Cas. The climax is a little stale. Boys tied up again while we get the villain’s monologue, which, frankly, isn’t one of your best. A little originality wouldn’t… hurt.

I don’t think I need to remind everyone about all the Atomic Monsters theories. “It’s awful! Horrible. It’s hopeless.” They’re not dead. They’re just away”.

The shirt I believe to be the one Dean died in. He changed into it and his death jacket for his final hunt.

I think I might have an idea now for something I had no clue about before. I noted before on my post about Dean’s Cursed Heaven Outfit that on the video Jensen posted as he was dressing up as Dean for the last time “at least for now” he was not wearing the jacket Dean wore in Heaven. He was wearing Dean’s black denim jacket, not the heaven one.

These are NOT the same jackets. The sleeves sit different, pockets are different shapes, there is not the same seams on the heaven one etc.

I could never figure out why Jensen would be dressing as Dean in a near identical outfit that we never see. Now I wonder if Dean coded Jensen managed to film something way back in September 2020 for the prequel? The scenes filmed on that final day were the roadhouse, driving and the bridge. I think it might be possible he switched jackets at some point. And maybe this was when Jensen stole it from set! Seeing this trailer I am more convinced than ever that the prequel is somehow going to lead to a continuation.

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t00muchheart · 2 months

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The thing about a theoretical supernatural season 16 is that you could make it happen in so many ways and still have it be on-brand. Nothing is too camp or cringe for this show. Name a solution, it would work—it was all a dream? Sure. Resurrection? Been there. Time travel? We’ve done it. Just continue and have them fix problems in heaven? Plausible. The finale was just an amateur film made by someone (ghostfacers, fanfiction crew, etc.)? Not only makes sense but also explains the party city wig and blurry wife.

The options are endless, and almost anything you can think of is not only possible but can probably easily be made to make sense in-universe.

#spn #supernatural #spn meta #spn 16 #supernatural season 16 #spn 15x20 #15x20 anti

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catsconflictscopicsandchamomile · 1 year

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spn 15x20 explanation masterpost pt 1

Dean's last words to Sam in 15x20 are a copy of his last words from 9x23. The direction, pacing & framing of the scenes also match.

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Iron and nails are common weapons against demons in-canon, while rebar & similar are regularly used as stakes.

A nail that size shouldn't have been fatal, especially not within minutes. Despite this, Dean immediately knew that he was dying and specifically told Sam not to bring him back OR take him to a hospital.

Though extremely out-of-character for him, Dean's behavior as he dies is similar to how many creatures in spn react to iron and/or stakes.

In s10, Demon!Dean was canonically weak to iron.

TLDR: Dean had been a demon for some amount of time before 15x20, and like most demons, an iron stake through the back is fatal.

(While likely a trick of the light, Dean's eyes briefly flicker black during his death in 15x20, and his face appears more jagged & uncanny as well.)

...Also, Chuck Won. Obviously.

If anyone is interested in the Sam, Cas, Jack etc sides of this analysis, lmk.

@genderanged @unhumanatural @those-aspen-woods @measured-words @chuckwon @very-offkey-kazoo pspspspsps come get yall lore

#this guy got staked BY a vampire jfc #supernatural #spn #deanmon #demon!dean #spn meta #rusty nail #spn 15x20 #supernatural theories #chuck won theory #chuck won truthing #dean winchester #Youtube

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incarnateirony · 1 year

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not what i set out to finish, got a bit distracted on other meta ends, but too good to leave sitting in drafts

and no just in case you think that's when they set all their clocks, or it was actual time, no and no. there was a lot of interesting clockwork in 15.01 to begin with, I just tagged my stuff back then poorly

In Manipura and below, man is bound by the laws of karma and fate. In Anahata one makes decisions ("follows one's heart") based on one's higher self, not the unfulfilled emotions and desires of lower nature. As such, it is known as the heart chakra.

It is also associated with love and compassion, charity to others and psychic healing. Meditation on this chakra is said to bring about the following siddhis (abilities): he becomes a lord of speech, he is dear to women, his presence controls the senses of others, and he can leave and enter the body at will.

Anahata (Sanskrit: अनाहत, IAST: Anāhata, English: "unstruck") or heart chakra is the fourth primary chakra, according to Hindu Yogic, Shakta and Buddhist Tantric traditions. In Sanskrit, anahata means "unhurt, unstruck, and unbeaten". Anahata Nad refers to the Vedic concept of unstruck sound (the sound of the celestial realm). Anahata is associated with balance, calmness, and serenity.

The name of this chakra signifies the state of freshness that appears when we are able to become detached and to look at the different and apparently contradictory experiences of life with a state of openness (expansion).

Normally we are not used to the effect produced by the confrontation of the two opposite forces. At the level of Anahata chakra appears the possibility to integrate the two opposite forces and obtain the effect (sound, in this case), without the two forces being confronted (without touching of the two parts).

This energy is specific to cooperation and integration, which brings peace and a new perspective in a world which, up to this level (considering only the energies specific to the first three centres of force: Muladhara, Swasdhistana and Manipura) was made only of a more or less conscious confrontation between opposite forces. The name Anahata suggests, in fact, the synergetic effect of the interaction of energies at this level.

Anahata is considered to be a tiny flame inside the heart. associated with the ability to make decisions outside the realm of karma.

Hrit (Hridaya, Surya) chakra Tree inside two circles inside a lotus flower The Hrit chakra (just below Anahata) is the seat of the wish-fulfilling tree.

Immediately below Anahata (at the solar plexus or, sometimes, on the near left side of the body) is a minor chakra known as Hrit (or Hridaya, "heart"), with eight petals.

It has three regions:

a vermilion sun region,

within which is a white moon region,

within which is a deep-red fire region.

Within this is the red wish-fulfilling tree, kalpavriksha, which symbolises the ability to manifest what one wishes to happen in the world.

The heart wheel in Tibetan Buddhism is the location of the indestructible red-and-white drop. At death, the winds of the body dissolve and enter this drop, which then leads the body into Bardo (the intermediate stage) and rebirth. The heart wheel in this model is circular, white and has eight petals (or channels) reaching downwards.

These channels divide into three wheels (mind, speech and body)

The heart wheel is important in meditation; in the lower tantras, the mantra is recited from the heart. It is recited verbally and then mentally;

then, in the heart, a tiny moon disc and flame are imagined from which the mantra rings.

In the higher tantras (the Anuttarayoga Tantra of the Sarma schools) or the Inner Tantras of the Nyingma school, the practitioner attempts to dissolve the winds and drops into the central channel at the level of the heart to experience the Yoga of Clear Light.

#time #watch #swiss watch #spnwin #1x2 #1x4 #15x15 #15x09 #15x01 #15x20 #15x17 #1x7 #meta #blossom #akrida #arcadia #garden #queen bee

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insanesonofabitch · 5 months

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Jensen saying Dean’s biggest regret is that he couldn’t save Cas is already insane, right? But it makes sense, it makes sense to us because we believe that Cas wasn’t saved. We believe that Cas wasn’t saved. We believe that Cas wasn’t saved.

But Bobby said he already was, so why is it still Dean’s biggest regret?

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four-of-cups · 1 year

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ummmmm so i’m pretty sure that they killed dean off because the spn writers could not come up with a ‘happy long life’ montage for dean that didn’t involve cas. because…there probably isn’t one??

like seriously. dean with a blurry wife and a kid? visiting his brother and blurry sister-in-law on weekends? does not feel close to plausible. he’s not exactly going to reconcile with mind-wiped lisa and there hadn’t been anything like a female love interest for years.

alternatively - neither sam or dean get married and then it’s a montage of the same old codependent hunter life. and getting to heaven has no real emotional weight.

sam gets married and dean doesn’t? honestly this could have worked and they’re cowards for not even trying. sam’s a dad and dean is the cool uncle and they’re still close but they’re not hunting - at least not together. dean has a lifetime to work through his shit, and he does. dies of old age before sam and who’s waiting for him in heaven?

okay yes cas just snuck into my hypothetical cas-less montage but seriously!! It would have been so easy. they could have kept it as ambiguous as the network wanted and still made it clear that cas and dean are together in heaven. (they could even go pick up sam in baby and stand on a bridge if they really really wanted to.)

it is just wild to me that they spent years building towards an endgame here that ended up feeling so inevitable that no other happy ending was even vaguely plausible. and instead of embracing that payoff they murdered their own main character.

#that rebar was a hate crime #spn #spn meta #spn finale #dean studies #destiel #spn 15x20

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restlesshush · 2 years

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I do think it is really kind of cruel actually the way Cas and Jack’s conclusion is only alluded to in 15x20 but never shown, like we’re told they’re in heaven together and therefore presumably okay, but we never see it so it doesn’t quite feel real. In terms of what we’ve been shown, the story put in front of us, is that Jack (textually suicidal) tries to sacrifice himself to save the world, then Cas sacrifices himself, then while he’s dead his grieving child low-key tries to sacrifice himself again, and ends up as god as a result. The show can imply with a few throwaway lines that actually they’re okay now, but it’s hard to believe it when a few throwaway lines is all we get. It’s not enough to counteract what we last saw of their stories, and it means regardless of what the show says, because we don’t get to see them, the note things with Cas and Jack have been left on is still just awful.

#does this make sense?#like those couple of lines provide no comfort re very upsetting ending. because we are only told and not shown #it’s lazy in a cruel way i think #jack kline #castiel #cas and jack #spn meta #spn 15x20 #spn #worded thoughts #suicide mention

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deanwasalwaysbi · 2 years

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Something about Deleted Scenes. (x)

Something about.

Knock knock. Dabb. Dabb? DABB!?

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drsilverfish · 1 year

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So it goes...

15x20 Carry On Supernatural

1x01 Pilot The Winchesters

“The most important thing I learned on Tralfamadore was that when a person dies he only appears to die. He is still very much alive in the past, so it is very silly for people to cry at his funeral. All moments, past, present and future, always have existed, always will exist. The Tralfamadorians can look at all the different moments just that way we can look at a stretch of the Rocky Mountains, for instance. They can see how permanent all the moments are, and they can look at any moment that interests them. It is just an illusion we have here on Earth that one moment follows another one, like beads on a string, and that once a moment is gone it is gone forever.

When a Tralfamadorian sees a corpse, all he thinks is that the dead person is in a bad condition in that particular moment, but that the same person is just fine in plenty of other moments. Now, when I myself hear that somebody is dead, I simply shrug and say what the Tralfamadorians say about dead people, which is "so it goes.”

Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse Five

#Supernatural #The Winchesters #15x20 #Robbie T's fix-it fic #1x01 Pilot #SPN meta #Meta meta #Vonnegut #The Winchesters meta #Meta

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dykeydean · 4 months

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unpopular opinion but the finale couldve been okay if cas stayed dead. if they let dean become his own person, for once finally *his own person,* not someones brother or lover or protector. just dean. that wouldve been Okay. but making the suicidal guy die because the person he depended on is so. just really cements into place that he can only exist when hes needed

#dean winchester #supernatural meta #dont get me wrong i wish the finale had cas alive #but they still couldve done something with it and have cas stay dead #but no. they chose THE WORST POSSIBLE ENDING #15x20 #supernatural finale #ezra posts

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shallowseeker · 2 years

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I’ve come to terms with my evil finale meta where Sam and Dean kill that little family. (And also, the family is Cas, Dean or Kelly, Sam, and Jack. At first I thought it might be John, Mary, Dean, and Sam, but it's the older brother who looks like Sam and wears the exact same hoodie as Sam later in the episode.) It’s Agents Singer and Kripke. It’s right there! They’re (spiritually) possessed.

Actually, no. No, I haven't. I have things to say: (I write a lot of evil meta for fun, but THIS is one I actually believe was intentional.)

WHO'S WHO

First some notes about who we're watching here. We're watching demon roleplay ("miming") with terrible consequences:

Singer is laughing about the pie. It's Singer-Sam that pied Dean here at the pie festival.

Kripke-Dean (machete) killed the cute family’s dad

Singer-Sam drained the dad's blood for bullets.

Singer-Sam cut out the mom’s tongue (little blade).

Singer-Sam shot the vampire-that-looks-like-John in the head, the same way Bobby Singer* did to his dad.

Jenny is a reference to Dead Man’s Blood, so it’s trying to draw your attention to the fact that Singer-Sam drained that man for his bullets.

Singer-Sam was the most different in character from Sam as we know him. It was an acting choice.

The Ghostfacers music over the murder scene and the general shadowey nature of the mimes with masks are trying to show you who the killers actually are.

THE CHUCK OF IT ALL

Maybe Chuck-Carver-Edlund did want better for the boys, after all. His ending was better for the legacy of the boys as heroes. At least it wasn’t character assassination.

ROBBIE?

I pray that vampire-John is a nod to #TheWinchesters and he's Robbie Thompson speaking out to us with a nod to all the Charming Acres coding and simply taking the narrative back to Safe House with soul eaters and reliving traumatic things.

They’re not dead

They’re with the nest

We…take a harvest

Every few years, grab a couple kids, raise them up, feed them right, juice them.

We don’t do fast food.

GOTCHA! THAT'S SO META!

I mean, we ALL know we're watching a story. As story-god, you either let the universe's rules be a certain way, or you don't. The in-universe rules sort of reflect the meaning and the morality of the story you're experiencing.

You could show a story of trench warfare, for example, and show all the compelling things that happen good and bad during war...and then you COULD pull out to show a single man stabbing himself and killing all his puppies. Right? But that would be...stupid. And really, really pretentious.

It could make a good short story, but not a fuckin 800-page novel. Get me?

You could also show someone one of those "I can't believe it's not cake" shows and switch it out the cake-dog with a real-dog so when you cut into it! Ha! I got you! That's a REAL dog! How meta is that thing I just did? *indulgent, self-serving smile*

METAWRITING IN GENERAL IS FAST-BECOMING "MEH"

It’s so, you know, edgy. Like a fifteen-year-old writer who spent a couple hours navel-gazing and decided, “Hey, I wanna teach everyone that stories are delusions. Yeah. That’s gritty, man. Deep.”

But your story is on the CW, man. If I order a cheeseburger, do not serve a pretentious something else and pat yourself in the back for the sleight of hand. Being “meta” isn’t the genius you think it is. It’s fast-becoming a mark of a lack of integrity and the educated overwriter.

DANGERS OF METAWRITING

Metatron toed the line, and so too did Chuck, but it's because the characters still appeared to be struggling within the framework. Whereas having Sam and Dean murder a family just to save it? Eh. Many viewers left feeling, "Who gives a rat's ass?" and "What's the point of watching the whole thing now?" -- This is why. Viewers could FEEL that Sam and Dean were the killers, even if they didn't pick up on it immediately. (TBF, many didn't bother rewatching it.)

KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE

Here's an example of what this whole thing feels like: "See that girl over there? She's allergic to shrimp, but she's eating at a restaurant. Doesn't she know restaurants can't be trusted? They lie about their ingredients! Know what we should do? GIVE HER SHRIMP. Then she'll know restaurants aren't to be trusted! I'm so benevolent to teach her this. Don't worry, she's got an epi-pen, so she'll be fine. What a memorable LESSON I'll leave her with!"

But I ordered a cheeseburger, dude. I've had a long day at work, and I don't want an existential lesson. I just want my damn cheeseburger. I get enough hard knocks in...actual life.

You made it too much about yourselves, my dudes. Some writing works through insights about trauma, and then there's writing that feels so overwrought and pretentious, you get the sense they've never actually struggled with anything in their lives. They just like the power of writing and trying to be callous and appear intellectual with bleakness like, "Gotcha!" There is a trend, especially among pulp and comic book writers, to keep on dumping in hopelessness and bleakness and depression like it's salad dressing and will make the story more meaningful. Or that sprinkling satire and intellectualism concerning craft will somehow make it more.

I didn't start reading Candide, dude, I'm reading Frankenstein. I'm watching a show on the CW. Miss me with that Don Quixote pretentious crap. UGH

And you ruined Sammy and made him into an obsessed, delusional madman that lives in a bunker and either dreams or roleplays all this crap. That's just sad, man. Why bother watching the show. And I mean, it was there, kinda there, with Thinman, Slumber Party, the Ghostfacers, and Everybody Hates Hitler... But I think GOING there with Sam and Dean was a bad move. The tension was that the main character fought the real stuff because they'd been cursed by the audience-gods and stuck in a story.

That was better than the Sam delusion "it was all a dream" shit they pulled. It's like they fucking wrote to the stupid Kansas song. "Get a glimpse beyond this illusion. Yeah. That's deep. I can't believe how clever I am, man."

I will now accept nothing LESS than the headcanon that the mime stuff were just Kripke and Singer roleplaying. Good riddance.

P.S. If you're a GIF maker, I'd LOVE the scenes I mentioned here:

#Kripke #singer #anti 15x20 #anti finale #spn meta #spn finale #supernatural #audience beware #the winchesters #robbie thompson #my meta #cursed thoughts

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