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genericpuff · 1 year

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Did you hear about the "do not trace or use my work" update RS has on... I think her Twitter? @hestia-is-ace-pass-it-on knows more about this. I'm just wondering if this is going to affect Lore Rekindled at all since your series is an AU thing?? (I hope not cause I really like Lore Rekindled).

lmao yeah I heard about that, frankly I'm not worried, it's not going to affect Rekindled in the slightest as far as I'm concerned because even the panels that are sourced from S1 LO (like the Persephone looking up at Hades one, the Cerberus one, etc.) are still redrawn by my own hand from the bottom up, I don't directly trace them and I'm not copy + pasting them from LO and just calling it a day. Not to mention (and IDK if Rachel realizes this or not) those kinds of "please don't trace/use my art" warnings are more for people who trace/rip art and pass it off as their own, i.e. deliberate theft. Lore Rekindled is advertised as a fanfic/foe fic/AU project with proper credit given to Smythe and disclaimers that Lore Rekindled is not affiliated with Smythe beyond the original idea and art style that it's aiming to mimic - she can't copyright an art style, the Greek myth inspirations, or the brushes that are used, and there's nothing she can do about people making AU comics.

If she theoretically wanted to put her foot down on Rekindled, she'd have to go after the entirety of the fanfic/fanart community 😂 She has next to no ground to go after any derivative or fan projects inspired by her work, not unless they directly try to impersonate her and/or make a profit with the Lore Olympus name/branding/etc. (hence why there isn't a Patreon for Rekindled). Even the direct edit accounts themselves don't try to pass themselves off as LO or Smythe, they always show the original panel and make it clear in their bio descriptions that the accounts themselves are for LO which is easily sourced as not belonging to them.

One could argue that it's generally bad taste on the grounds of it being rude to edit other people's work, and yeah, that's valid. It casts the presumption that there's something "wrong" with how an artist wants to express themselves and that the edit makes it "better". But, for starters, we all know why these edits exist because LO has gone down in quality and people are having their own fun time trying to restore that original vibe in tribute to Rachel's original version of LO; second, it would be a lot more heinous IMO if LO were still some small series being made by a nobody, but ... it isn't, it's a massive commercial product within its industry and fanwork/foework is par for the course with commercial products; and third, there still isn't any sort of legal ground for Rachel to stand on because those accounts still aren't pretending to be her or her work, if anything they may as well be advertising it.

Plus, a lot of those edit accounts are more like redraw accounts, so many of them may as well be DTIYS prompts rather than direct edits (that's not a bad thing, just a statement of fact) save for a few accounts that deliberately try to mimic the old LO style as much as possible when editing new panels. Those kinds of stylized redraws are legit just fanart.

For many of these accounts, a lot of it's still work they're doing themselves and they're not trying to pass off their edits as legitimate LO products. No one's ripping these panels and re-posting them and going "look what I drew today!" (ex. Love's Divinity did this and a lot of people rightfully called the creator out on it, thankfully it seems like they've learned and moved on from copying directly from LO and other webtoons) they're going "hey, so this is what the webcomic looks like now, and here's what it looks like in my style" or "hey, this is what the webcomic looks like now, but here's what it would possibly look like if it still looked like S1 LO". None of it's meant to be maliciously stealing or impersonation, the pettiest it can get is just people saying "Rachel, your art sucks" which may as well be the only reason she edited that into her bio in the first place.

Like, if this IS aimed at the edit and redraw accounts, she's basically only upset about the panel edits that call out her obviously declining art IMO. Especially considering she's retweeted edit stuff before, many of them being from the anti/ULO community which I don't think she ever even realized ? 😂 But regardless, she shares edit panels a lot so it makes that bio notice come across less as "don't trace or use my work" and more as "don't do edits that make me look bad!!" when she's already doing plenty of work on her own end to make herself look bad 😂

In my personal opinion beyond the legalese... yeah, her work really does suck nowadays. I get how awful working for Webtoons is, I get that Rachel might not even be into drawing LO anymore, I can empathize with her maybe not being able to put in the same amount of emotional investment or time that she was able to put into it back in S1, but every single edit account is pretty sincere in doing it simply because they want to express how they wish it could look if it hadn't dropped in quality.

Phew, that was a lot of words for a very simple question, but rest assured, I'm not really worried it's going to affect Rekindled. 90% of the panels are completely original compositions save for the few panels that are referencing older moments in S1 LO that I brought back for Rekindled's plot, and even those panels are still redrawn from the ground up and given different outcomes (ex. Persephone punching Hades in the face lmao). Probably won't be doing much of that from here on out but more so just because the plot's going to be shifting even further from original S1 LO; but it's def better safe than sorry on my part to just make that 90% into a 100%, I suppose.

As a last point, I don't blame the edit accounts who ARE stepping away from editing panels out of respect. While it might not be a technically legal issue, I can still respect those who still want to respect Rachel's requests and do better as creatives and individuals. Just because something isn't against the law doesn't mean it isn't a cruddy thing to do, and I say that fully as someone who cut their teeth on edit content. We have tons of other ways of expressing ourselves creatively in this fandom than directly editing old panels.

The DTIYS stuff though, I don't think that should be off limits. It's fanart and that's completely fair game IMO especially for someone like Rachel who's creating a commercial piece of work. It comes with the territory. Welcome to being a pro.

#lore olympus critical #lo critical #antiloreolympus #anti lore olympus #ama #ask me anything #anon ama #anon ask me anything

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northern-passage · 2 years

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hi, i don’t mean this to be rude at all just genuinely wondering how you’re going to approach nsfw content with your nonbinary characters? i’m just curious since you’ve never revealed agab (which i totally respect that) and i’ve done the same with my own nb ROs.

i assume this is about nsfw art? i've done snippets for Clementine before, and i've always kept it vague for them (and same with Noel, since xe was gender-selectable at the time)

this is something i've thought about a lot and have talked to various people about since i've started tnp; i've always been pretty adamant about not discussing agab on the blog, and that's not going to change with this. i have a no nsfw policy almost entirely because of the way the IF community interacts with & talks about trans and nb characters, and while it has improved slightly in the last year, it's still not something i'm going to entertain. to be frank, i find people asking for agab/discussing agab in this context (anonymously on tumblr dot com), even about fictional characters, to be really weird and rude.

i don't really think it adds anything to announce a character's agab in that way, and personally for the stories i write i always want it to be something that comes up in-game between the player and the character, because it gives the character some agency and (this is entirely a personal opinion) as someone who is nb myself it makes me feel that, as an author, i am conveying to readers that this is not information you are Entitled to, not in real life and not even in fiction. you have to get to know this character, and even then, they are not required to share this very private thing with you. obviously i do understand the appeal in announcing if your characters are trans, and i understand it makes it easier for people who are looking for trans inclusive games to find them that way - this is just my personal opinion about it, and why i don't specify that kind of thing in my character descriptions or intro posts.

at this point, though, with the plans i have for the game and the sexual content i want to include, it's obvious that it's not exactly realistic of me to keep it vague. it's going to eventually come up in game, in the intimate scenes i have planned for everyone. i didn't expect that i would ever even be writing those kinds of scenes, which is also part of why i set that boundary about my nb characters to begin with (this game wasnt even 18+ at the start). but i've got more comfortable with that now, and it's something i'm actually looking forward to.

i've debated a lot about this, especially after i released the siren's call demo and posted art of Rome on that blog and immediately had people in my inbox misgendering them and calling them a man - it really frustrated me in particular that just giving the slightest bit of facial hair made people act like that... they aren't perfectly androgynous, and suddenly people felt comfortable disregarding their identity and straight up misgendering them.

however, i don't think the answer to that is to just remove all sex characteristics from my nb characters... that's silly and isn't actually addressing the problem (i'd argue it's making it worse) plus there's already a prevalent misconception when it comes to nb people and How they are expected to look and dress, with most people assuming certain things that directly harm the more vulnerable members of our community. nb people can look any way they want, and they're still nb. it's ridiculous to expect androgyny, and it's ridiculous to expect nb people to be "vague." but i also think it's ridiculous to expect Anyone to disclose personal, private information about themself, no matter how they present... and with Clementine and Noel being fictional characters, they can't really "decide" what they want for themselves.

sorry this has turned into a bit of a tangent, but basically my thoughts on all of this now is... it's Complicated. lmfao. i know a lot of people especially liked how i've handled Clementine up to this point, and i understand if people are disappointed with this potential change. i've also had a lot of people that have really liked my snippets and depictions of Merry - whereas with Clem i was always vague, i've been far more explicit with Merry.

i think, particularly with Merry, she has shared with the player that she is trans & potentially has already had an intimate encounter with the hunter. Lea, too, is very close with the hunter and they are both intimately familiar with each other, whether they like it or not. obviously we know Clem and Noel are trans as well, but the difference is that they have not disclosed certain things with the hunter like Lea and Merry have, if that makes sense. this is also why i preferred to keep things vague with those two specifically - again, i like giving that bit of agency to the characters, and we have a long way to go in-game before Clem or Noel are close enough to the hunter to want to share that information.

for the record i do think it's weird to treat it like some Big Deal that *gasp* Clem and Noel have genitalia! it's not something that needs an announcement. but i hope this at least explains my thinking & why i've done things the way i have up to this point, and why i've changed my mind slightly.

my plan now, with the nsfw art aspect, is that i may post an occasional tasteful nude of some of my characters on patreon. and that's it. it's not going to change how i do anything else, and this doesn't change anything about either Noel or Clem.

#also not to be like problems for future me but i have a lot of work to do before patreon #and before i get to any intimate scenes in game #so... for now this is where i stand about it #ask #anonymous

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fuckitfireeverything · 8 months

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I don't want to reply directly to someone else's post because I don't want to seem rude but people thinking about gender abolition who are open to but skeptical of the idea should read the introduction to Marquis Bey's Black Trans Feminism — Marquis is an extremely generous scholar and thinker who highlights some of the very very complicated questions inherent to the project of gender abolition, and also gently and productively pushes back on the pieces of "identity" that we cling to

for Bey, "gender self-determination" does not get taken away by gender abolition, but actually structurally enabled by it:

"In short, the commingling of abolition and gender self-determination is actually reciprocally facilitated by each since one cannot emerge through what I would deem genders that might have arisen but for Gender if the latter has not been abolished. If abolition must be a project not only of closing violent doors (Gender) but the cultivation and proliferation of nourishing and transformational things (genders that might have arisen but for . . .), abolition cannot occur without gender self-determination as Gender is one of the chief forms through which coercive, compulsory violence and captivity are carried out, and gender self-determination cannot be actualized without widespread abolition. Indeed, “sex,” rooted in the gender binary, hands over gender assignation to someone outside of oneself, someone buttressed by the medical and juridical institutions thatbestow the validity of gender. One’s inaugurative possibility is quite literally deprived from them and instantiated in another. This is far from self determination; this is another’s literal determination of oneself and one’s self. So gender as well as sex abolition enable gender self-determination."

But "gender selfdetermination" means something very particular to them:

"But the gender self-determination argued for here, nuancing the popular conception, disallows the building of hierarchies for genders. It disallows battles between genders based on proximity to a mythical realness or authenticity. Gender self-determination is much more than 'any person, any gender,' for such a conception of gender self-determination, the one that seems to be in place now, bears traces of neoliberal individuation presuming that the process of gender is extricated from sociality and nevertheless evaluates the contours of that gender through a marketplace economy of its use-value, legibility, and ability to still be productive . . . gender self-determination avows a subjective cultivation of ways to do illegible genders, genders that abolish the bestowal of gender, genders that allow us all to be and become expansively outside of the very desire to have to bestow onto ourselves gender. This means that when we advocate for gender self-determination from this purview we do not say 'Yes' to any and all genders one chooses; it means we advocate for the ethical requisite to say 'No'—or better, to decline to state—with regard to the imposition of gender."

This is because Bey's paraontological examination of gender via blackness in their earlier work brings them to a wider critique of identity and its relation to the neoliberal state that I think is really crucial to understanding why gender abolition, just as an understanding of the state's role is crucial to other abolitionist projects like police abolition, prison abolition, border abolition, and family abolition (it's an oversimplification to list these as separate projects, obviously, but a useful one for the sake of a tumblr post)

"These identities are at base hegemonic bestowals and will thus have diminished liberatory import in the final analysis; indeed, we cannot get to the final analysis—which I offer as an abolitionist analysis—with these identities if such an abolitionist terrain is given definition by way of the instantiation of the impossibility of violence and captivity. Black trans feminism cannot abide such classificatory violences, so it urges us also to abolish the categories we may love, even if they have not always been received well. If the aim of the radical project of black trans feminism is abolition and gender radicality, which is the case I will be making, it is imperative to grapple with what that actually means. We cannot half-ass abolition, holding on to some of the things we didn’t think we would be called to task for giving up. If we want freedom, we need to free ourselves, too, of the things with which we capture ourselves."

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seresuns · 1 year

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to coffinbelltower/@gonnabreakhisheart/apeirophobia (and all your other handles):

so. coming back after months of hiatus to this. i'm going to make it clear once and for all. idgaf if you believe me, but i have the dms to prove my side. here are the facts:

i didn't send that screenshot to topguncallouts. i don't engage with the equivalent of fandom tabloids. as far as i'm concerned this issue was over a long time ago (Sept 2022) y'all just brought it up again and idk why.

i didn't report you to the tgm server mods. i sent the screenshots of our convo to a friend, because your statements about trans ppl and writing about trans ppl made me uncomfortable, and i tried to correct you, but you didn't listen. and it made me anxious. so anxious that i physically felt it. my hands shook after that conversation. i sent it to a friend because i wanted to vent, and i wanted a trans person to check if i had handled the situation correctly as i am a cis woman.

after seeing the whole convo this friend did ask if i wanted to report you. and i said no, because it happened in my dms. it was directly traceable to me, and to be fair it wasn't a public incident on the server. it was, simply, a disagreement between you and me. no, you don't get to know who the friend is. they're trans and i don't want you interrogating them instead.

our conversation happened around Sept 9 2022. i vented to a friend later that day. you were banned from the tgm server Sept 26 2022. that same day you also banned me from the after dark server without explanation, but i suspected the reason already as you had deleted all your messages to me (which, an innocent person acting in good faith would totally do /s). when i mentioned to mods about it, they apologized to me that my private dms, which were showed/brought/forwarded to them, were part of the reason you were banned. you should have stopped to think. if i'd been the one to report you, it would have been closer to Sept 9, not weeks later around the time you would be arguing with tgm server mods. you would have been banned immediately because those dms contained much worse than what was posted in callouts.

they were part of the reason you were banned. but you were first reprimanded for arguing with mods. you know that.

any reply you make to this should be public, or in my inbox and i will publish it. despite our disagreement, i thought you were my friend and you were capable of listening. but look at what believing in that got me. i'm getting dms i was being brought up in callouts. i've said nothing even though you banned me from after dark server--when after dark server was my idea in the first place. i haven't complained even though i was told you wanted me banned from the tgm server in return, calling me several things, the mildest of which is i'm a security and privacy breach which should not be tolerated. i took that all. i kept my silence. and yet you and those anons still have the audacity to drop my name in these petty issues.

i won't tolerate any more disrespect. if you send something rude or assume the worst of me again and spread it. i'll drop the full screenshots. and trust me, context will not clear your name. it'll just show ppl how much worse the things they don't know are. otherwise, leave me alone. i don't care if anyone believes my side. i know the truth, and i know i didn't betray or hurt people or lie, despite what you or anons or dms will say about me.

#replies #you are asking the wrong person the wrong questions #dealing with this on the week my dog died is not improving my already terrible mood #and to the anon who dragged me into this #idk how you got that screenshot but i don't think you meant well posting it in the equivalent of fandom tabloids #anon will do anything for drama and clout and it's disappointing

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delusion-of-negation · 10 months

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tumblr stop spamming me posts "based on your likes" of people angrily putting down the "opposite" side of the debate on what is acceptable for mentally and physically disabled people to say, or whether each is "more privileged" challenge. my likes are not the people insulting and putting down each other, they're posts that express discomfort, anger, and frustration with the concepts of doing that at all, of bickering, of judging, of bullying, etc. I think I stand against both sides on this because I think they're both just prone to overgeneralising, strict adherence to labels, and lacking nuance. I'm physically and mentally disabled, and I don't think to differentiate between the two makes sense when you stop being black and white. I just saw someone saying "comparing mentally disabling conditions to my injury is disgusting and bigoted" (this quote is paraphrased because I closed it before realising I had to express my frustration), and like... I saw nobody going directly to them and saying "my depression is exactly like your accident" I'd actually bet money what they meant is the general trend of folks saying "we're not so different, we both are disabled" at no single person particularly, just into the void. and the fact is, it's not that physical injuries stop me doing things, or that mental conditions solely do, it's both, it's the middle of the venn diagram, and idk if something would be possible if I only had one circle. and the two completely aren't separate, mental conditions have the physical symptoms and physical effects, and the physical ones also have psychological symptoms and psychological effects, they're just factually not wholly differentiated. who gets to say cripple is the stupidest hill to die on, it doesn't fucking matter. only the people actually oppressing disabled people benefit from us arguing the stupidest shit, instead of putting that energy into real activism. I genuinely don't care who says cripple, I don't think either side is more oppressed than the other, I don't think the sides exist at all really, I think you're both constructing them for the sake of some bullshit lateral discrimination. yes, your injury is different from a person's mental health symptoms in some ways, it's also totally different from other physical conditions, it's likely different in an enormous number of ways to someone with an identical injury, I cannot express enough everyone's bodies and symptoms differ. you're constructing imaginary boxes and arbitrary lines for some nonsense about who's allowed to compare things, under a weird apparent view that comparing is a claim of being identical, when actually it's a claim to any level of similarity. I don't want to see a bunch of posts that are the exact opposite of the handful I liked. because it's just as scummy when people wrongly say a physical would be treated "better" and accepted more, as when you post angrily that mentally disabled people don't have a single thing in common with you and are "invading" the community, partially as you're both wrong, and partially as you're both rude, but also the apparently surprising fact that it's a false dichotomy anyway. bro

#ik some of you will have your own opinions on this and on the characterisation of each side based on what you've seen of them #and that's fine you're entitled to think your own thoughts and I genuinely have no intention to take that away from you with this #but I just do not want to argue about it or be spammed posts generally being rude to the alleged opposition when I hate it all #I don't see the worst of either side from the people I follow it literally just comes from the 'based on your likes' posts so yeah

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asterekmess · 2 years

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Fuck the Writing Rules

The title is more aggressive than I feel at the moment, but I couldn't think of anything better.

I see so many posts/videos/articles about writing. About pacing and plotlines and character info and hooks and background information. Every single aspect of writing, there is advice about. And sometimes it contradicts, but there are certain things that Everyone seems to agree with.

Specifically when it comes to pacing and trimming and editing. Even if someone mentions that you should keep your 'trimmings' and see if you can use them for another piece, everyone seems to agree that you want to Trim Down your work. Write the first page, then remove the first paragraph. Write a draft, then cut out all the bits that don't Directly Further the story. Nip and Tuck and Trim and Cut until your story is Streamlined and everything relates to the main plotline and there's no extra bits hanging off the edges. Until everything Pushes the Plot.

And sure, this can be Incredibly helpful advice for people! I guess. Sometimes. Maybe. Once in a while.

But god damn it, I hate seeing it.

It always makes me angry and GUILTY because I do NOT do this. I almost NEVER cut things from my work. Not for the express purpose of streamlining or simplifiying or trying to fix Pacing. Never. I don't Immediately start on hooks or give out only the Important details or cut scenes that aren't directly relating to the main plot. I hoard Every Fucking Thing I write, and fics that could easily be trimmed down to 10-15k end up at 50k or 60k. So I feel guilty. I'm supposedly a Good Writer, but I don't do this basic thing. My works are FILLED with Random side bits and unimportant chit-chat and smalltalk and the tiniest details that Don't need to be there at all. I focus on days where nothing happens and I give scenes that have No real purpose for the story.

But you know what?

PEOPLE LOVE IT.

Do you have any idea how many comments I have gotten over the years from readers about how much they Absolutely Adore that I don't cut shit? In one of my most Popular fics, it takes me 13 Chapters to get to the main plot of the story. Out of 27.

And PEOPLE FUCKING LOVE IT.

Even if you consider how many people Didn't like it and thought that it was too drawn out, but just didn't bother telling me bc it would be rude to complain, that in NO WAY discounts the HUNDREDS of comments I received telling me how Delighted the reader was that I took my time, and how heartbroken they would have been if I cut even one scene.

And it just re-enforces this fury I have with the constant bombardment of Cut Trim Snip Delete Erase that writers get.

Yes, having a story that drags and drags isn't good. But you can have the most fast-paced streamlined story ever and it can STILL drag if it doesn't ever draw the reader in in the first place. If the reader doesn't care about what's happening, they are still going to skim or speedread to get to the end. And on the flip side, you can have the longest fucking stories, 100-200-500k stories, that NEVER drag. That the reader is GLUED to and Invested In despite every out of the blue convo or irrelevant character arc/scene.

And it's unfair to say "oh, well that's just in FIC. Real stories shouldn't be like that," because do you have ANY IDEA how massive fanfiction is as a written medium? It's JUST as prevalent as the fiction genre. No one ever fucking yelled at homer for the Odyssey being so goddamn boring and his rambling about the color of the sea and the shape of the island. It doesn't matter that it's a 'classic'; if you're following this rule, then the story is Still Bad.

But that's my point! You don't have to follow this rule! It isn't a RULE.

It's like artistic references that teach you how to draw the correct relative size of body parts for a character study. Sure, knowing how to do that helps, but if it doesn't match your preferred style, then DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

The best reason to know rules, is so that you know how to Break Them.

Now, one could argue (and it would honestly not be an unsafe assumption) that because I have spent so many years writing and studying writing, that the reason people are still able to enjoy my work despite the lack of reasonable pacing, is because I know HOW to do it well. How to make the pacing roll like a wave on a beach so that you have slow parts and fast parts but you don't get Dumped into it, you just drift through the motions. I struggle a lot with memory loss, but I've been studying and working in creative writing/language for SO LONG, that I manage to do the good stuff anyway. It's instinctive. I don't know HOW or WHY I do something, I just do it, and it works. It's not natural talent, it's ingrained, learned ability. So, maybe I literally just know enough to do the Advanced technique of having uneven pacing that Still Works. It's true that everything I write has A purpose, even if it's not THE purpose. Everything I put has something to do with a character's thoughts/need/feelings at the time. With their core traits and how those are shifting. With how the environment is moving and setting up other things. With how a relationship is developing or GOING to develop very far in the future. Everything has a reason to be there, they just aren't "Big" reasons.

And they don't need to be. Not everything has to be about the main plot! Sometimes you can give the reader background into your character that will have NO effect on the outcome of the story, and you can do it just so that the reader gets to Know the character better. Empathizes better. Cares More.

Slice of life fics are so precious and loved, because they let us see the character Outside of the stress of the main plotline. You can't have the Stress without the Relaxation, or it destroys the Weight that the stress carries. How are you supposed to know just how heartbroken someone is, just how PUshed to their Limits they are....if you've never EVER gotten to see them in their comfort zone? If you never see someone smile, there is no goddamn reason to care if they cry, because that's ALL THEY DO.

The inclusion of benign moments in the midst of your horror or action-packed story is so important, because it makes the moments when things ARE action-packed and fast-pace Feel that way when the reader realizes those benign moments are suddenly MISSING. If I write a character who is Always running from one spot to the next saving the day without a single break, it's going to dull out. It's exhausting for the reader just as much as it is for the character. But if I write a character who has normal days. Who goes to the nearest gas station in their downtime and grabs candy bars, or visits a park to go for a relaxed run. And then I Take Those Away and throw them into a panicked state? it'll hit more because the reader will SEE the absence of their normal routine. No more candy bars. No more running that isn't fueled by a desire not to be ripped apart. You Feel the absence, and it makes the panic that much more real.

How often do we get angry at show-runners for never letting their characters have down-time? For crushing so much plot into so little time and just Pushing toward the next one and the next one. Shoving subplots in until there's no room left for the characters to EXIST.

But it doesn't have to be like that.

Here's MY advice on pacing.

Be sure everything you write has a purpose. Period. It doesn't need to be big! It doesn't need to relate to the overarching plot or theme. Just having a Reason. ANY REASON. Is enough. Are you giving A a good day so that when everything goes wrong they're more upset? That's good! Send them for ice cream or something. Are you giving A and B a quiet moment together to bond, because they haven't gotten to be alone together for far too long? Perfect! Are you letting B share a tangential story in the middle of a serious moment that lowers the tension of the whole room and reveals something completely benign about their backstory that just makes them feel more real? That's ALL the reason you need!

Noting the color of the sky or the texture of a fabric under someone's fingers Does things. It reveals what the character considers important, or shows how their mindset is Different than usual. Are they avoiding their problems by focusing on how well someone's outfit matches their hair, or is this how they Normally see the world? Did they eat something for dinner and it was weird enough to mention? Or NORMAL enough to mention?

Establishing a baseline is important. Tell people what is normal. Casually mention that your character eats hot pockets for dinner or that their favorite show is This. or that they always park a little too far forward. Just let it trickle into the work and don't feel like you have to delete it all just because it doesn't Move The Plot Forward.

Fuck the plot. Live in your world. The readers WANT to be there with you, and they don't know all the fun shit you do! Share it with them!

You will get better as you go. Yeah, some of your stories will drag. And you'll learn from it. Don't feel bad for not following a "writing essential for making a Good Story." There is no one way to do it. You are not a failure or a cheater. You just have a different style, and if you learn to hone that ability, you can make incredible things.

#personal #rant #fic talk #writing talk

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derpyslurpy-da-derp-master · 3 years

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I mean Nuts and Dolts may be gone but it still had moments actually interpretable as romance unlike Whiterose. The last two seasons of no development plus the VAs directly saying they don't see Whiterose happen canonically, did an irreparable damage to the likelyhood of the ship being a thing. I don't know what else has to be said to convince those few stubborn fans that Whiterose, while being a cute fanon concept, is probably never going to go beyond fanfiction, and baiting themselves will only result in more disappointment...i mean, it's kind of time to move on, and i say that as a former Whiterose fan.

Nuts and Dolts may be dead but Whiterose never even lived if you ask me personally...

oh so we're doing this now

we're doing this now okay let me pull up a chair-

If you sincerely think that Whiterose doesn't have any chance, and I don't mean to be rude here, you might not have been paying attention. Because these two are loud. They are absurdly loud in how in love they are and Volume 7 was a fluke. One dry season does not cancel out literal years of content! And you think that Nuts and Dolts had moments that felt romantic, and yeah they definitely had moments like that and it was very cute, but they had plenty of moments that were just as romantically inclined as Weiss and Ruby, albeit a lot fewer because Penny was, (is?) well, dead. There is a mountain of content I could post here but in the interest of not making this super long because I’m pretty busy rn with projects and this is cutting into my Tumblr time enough as it is...

For one, Whiterose is constantly compared to Bumbleby, the one cannonical WLW ship out of our main cast, in Volume 6 (best volume in my opinion, loved it so much) in the intro the affection between these two is shown as a direct contrast to Yang and Blake to show how at odds the bees were at by showing how close and loving the roses are. When you’re explicitly comparing a pair of character’s relationship to the relationship of a cannon one, that says a lot. It’s why the Bees are compared to Renora a lot too, there’s a lot of power in explicit parallel's and foils. This didn’t need to be here but it is. I don’t think I need to argue why the bees are cannon and definitely romantically involved so I’m not gonna, moving on-

Let me introduce you to Weiss’ ‘I am madly in love with Ruby Rose’ smile as well

She smiles at Ruby like this all the time throughout Volume 6 (and a few times in V5) and never looks at anyone else like this. Okay imagine Ruby was a man, say Jaune. Look me in the eyes and tell me that wouldn’t immediately be taken as romantic by everyone excluding fans including me that just want Jaune to be friends with Weiss and the rest of the crew and nothing more. I could go into this further, but again short for time. And I know that we all love our ship captains Arryn and Barbara, but the voice actors aren’t the ones writing the show, sure it might not be their preference, but, you know who has bearing on all of this and is a reliable source of information on the show?

Yeah. Yeah.

I’ll just leave you with a few more pictures of these gaybies and get back to my current writing and drawing projects, I hope this didn’t come across as mean spirited, that wasn’t my intention. Hope you have a lovely day! :D

Also thank you for being on anon, I know there’s probably people round these parts not as chill as me who’d go ape shit in your ask box over this and that’d suck, good on ya!

#Ask #RWBY Whiterose #RWBY Thoughts #RWBY Ruby #RWBY Weiss #Original

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#finishedbook They Can't Kill Us Until They Kill Us by Hanif Abdurraqib. Got this from the library. It is made up of his essays from various publications structured in the context of an essay on Marvin Gaye's legendary 1983 national anthem performance at the NBA All Star game that he divides into 6 parts beginning each chapter. The title of the book comes from one of his more interesting essays on Bruce Springston's "The River" where he argues stripped down to its base is a romantic story about a guy with nothing trying to make his life and loves work in a world that doesn't always give him the breaks he thinks he deserves. He thinks about this visiting the grave of Mike Brown where there was a paper sign in all caps, "THEY CAN'T KILL US UNTIL THEY KILL US." The consideration of which may seem odd, but when you come from a people born of a true oral tradition, you live lives even after you are no longer living a life...Brown was flawed, but young enough to be romanticized in the way Springsteen's romantics are bellowed throughout "The River", where the mistakes are large and beautiful pointing to some much more spectacular end. He makes this observation on the way to a Springsteen concert where in the height of it all, he sees a concession worker at the stadium (majority are black) sit down exhausted caring less about Springsteen before being rudely told to move by a white fan. This makes up the majority of the essays observations going to and being at concerts, so at his worst he would write about going to a Machine Gun Kelly concert since he heard the hype and wanted to see what it was all about...the essay of which as meaningless as the undertaking. But when Abdurraqib hits he hits, loved his essay on Future's album run from Honest to HNDRXX hitting his high point in DS2 that he cites as a brilliant break up record that doesn't directly confront the failings of the relationship but intimately details the movements of what that failure turned an artist into. It is misery most frequently seen in black men experiencing their misery, not discussed, pushed into a lens of what will drown it out with the most ferocity. Relating to this, I appreciated his essay on Allen Iverson and everything that went into that crossover on Jordan and after. Iverson was a local hero, I learned to play basketball on the same courts as him in Hampton in the early 90s, my AAU team was based at Bethel High (his high school). So I naturally learned the same crossover and saw him go through all the racism that blackballed his career. As much of a joke as it still is many forget the context of his infamous post game about "practice" and his following words, "I'm upset because of one reason...we are in here. I lost my best friend, I lost this year, I feel that everything is going downhill for me as far as my life. I don't want to deal with this man, I don't want to go through this shit man." Relating this to Future and my generation in general, we were taught to keep it all inside, even when I got beat as a kid I'd be threatened with more if I cried. What it all does is just eat away at your humanity in a society that is already set up to deny you any anyway....you can see it in Iverson where he really ain't have the tools to cope and articulate, but coupled with his perception as a "thug" afforded him zero empathy as it had his whole life...that press conference was a display of black pain and societal ridicule of it. Perhaps though, this is why he/we had to be tougher otherwise we wouldn't had of lasted long, which is a dual tragedy filled with irony. I saw that in the Elijah McCain footage where he was articulating his need for personal space and his personality type (something my generation wouldn't even think to do but really aren't even emotionally capable) and they killed him all the same...it breaks my heart.

#finishedbooks

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This is a whole ass essay but yeah I seriously do not get all the fuss about Lizzo and Chris and the attack on fic writers like quit y'all need to quit pulling the racist and fatphobic card because it literally has nothing to do with weight and color, we won't be having this argument if this were a male celebrity doing it to a female celebrity it's as simple as that I don't know what y'all are not getting. You can argue that he's playing along all you want but I too, would force myself to when I am placed in such awkward and pressuring position where people expect a specific desirable response from him where people would probably call him a buzzkill, rude or snob if he doesn't attend to people's expectations, take into consideration that the man had openly talked about his anxiety numerous times.

Moreover, even if he chooses to ignore her, people would relentlessly pester him to acknowledge her until he does, she posts their DMs for fuck's sake. I never get why people feel the need to share their DMs and text messages with the public, people send messages to you directly for a reason. Y'all said it yourselves, the amount of people thirsting over him is crazy enough as it is, that's exhausting and frustrating as hell so I'm pretty sure the last thing he needs is a highly influential woman openly thirsting over him and broadcasting to her over dozen million followers how she wants to have his baby and practically encouraging people to join in and enable her to overindulge on her thirst. Even the majority of thirsty teenage fangirls knows better than to act all feral and thirsty when they meet famous people they have the hots for or when having a direct interaction with them, some of them would have a hard time trying to collect myself to speak , but they would still try to have a decent and human conversation and say normal and thoughtful shit like 'how are you' and 'have a great day' and treat them like actual humans instead of talking about babies.

Mind you, they aren't even really close and I'd like to assume that their first interaction was when she drunk texted him and went ahead to post the screenshot of it; personally, if I were the one given the chance to interact with someone I admire, I would actually try to properly express my admiration and initiate a normal friendly conversation instead of subjecting them to the same type of treatment they get from thirsty fans who sexualizes them 24/7.

Now don't get me wrong, I like her but I'm not about to ignore the fact that this is unacceptable behavior if you don't think see this as predatory/sexualizing/disrespectful then so be it, but don't defend it. The same principle applies when you're not supposed to use the 'N word' just because you have one black friend who's not bothered by it or how you're not supposed to enable cultural appropriators just because you're Asian/Native American/etc+ and was "not offended by it". Don't tolerate. The fact that "he plays along" is never a reason, he never may have stated he is uncomfortable by it but he also never said he's okay with it but keep in mind that we never even saw him initiate nor seen any interaction that did not involve her sexualizing him.

go OFF anon!!!! i agree with literally all of this. it's disappointing to see someone of such huge talent and status and who is supposedly a feminist act like this. thanks for this essay and sharing your thoughts 💙

#anonymous #answered

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I feel like we should not judge whether Bakugou grew up in an abusive household or not based on one scene that we saw with his mom. Bakugou and Todoroki where raised completely different, noticeable at this one scene in season 4 as well "Well that's how I was raised and I turned out awesome" followed by Bakugou remembering what Todoroki told Midoryia about his family (Manga, the Anime kinda cut that scene). If Bakugou really had experienced any abuse or trauma from the way he was raised I think Horikoshi would have hinted that properly too. I also do not know where you're from but in a lot of households (specifically some more eastern countries in Europe) it is considered quite normal that the parents slap their kids when they've done something wrong. (I personally don't agree with that) A lot if friends of mine who were raised that way would never call it abuse.

I hope this whole thing didn't come off as rude because that was definitely not my intention. Have a good day and keep doing what youre doing :)

The post that I did was mainly about the scene after the Sports Festival where they have him chained up in a way that is very reminiscent of how he was when he was being attacked by the Sludge Villain.

However, we can see that Bakugou is abused and Hirokoshi wants to have his cake and eat it too. He shouldn't be allowed to portray a serious story about abuse if he's then going to show a mother blaming her son for his own kidnapping, calling him a nuisance directly after getting him back from a potentially lethal situation, and hitting him repeatedly for minor offenses of talking back but just say that it's for comedy. Just because Bakugou doesn't realize he's being abused doesn't mean that it's still not abuse.

While Enji abused Todoroki outwardly and never showed any affection for him, Mitsuki is doing the kind of abuse that a lot of parents do. I know a lot of people use their own upbringing as an excuse about why this isn't abuse, but I can argue that as well. My own mother used slaps and spankings as a punishment when I was little but they eventually got phased out. She hit me once when I was older then ten and I still have issues from it. To this day I'm terrified of saying the wrong thing to her and getting slapped again, I can't have an argument with her without crying out of fear, and I don't trust her with some of the more serious things in my life because of emotional abuse as well. Just because the abuse doesn't look the same doesn't mean it's not still abuse.

This goes into a kind of 'death of the author' situation where the main argument people have for why Bakugou isn't in an abusive relationship with his parents is because Hirokoshi said he wasn't. This is kind of like people immediately taking everything JKR said about Harry Potter after the last book was published as gospel. You can write abuse without knowing you wrote abuse (Take 50 Shades of Grey for example.). Regardless of whether or not Hirokoshi intended it to be abuse or not doesn't matter because what he portrayed (especially to someone that has been emotionally abused and gas-lit) is a very, very unhealthy and abusive relationship.

Sorry for the super long paragraph, this is just something that I feel very deeply about and have a lot of opinions about. You seem like a very reasonable and well-thought out person. Thank you for your contributions to this discussion :D

#mha #bnha #bakugou #abuse #hirokoshi #ask #debate #mitsuki is abusive :/#trigger warning #content warning #rant

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Why did you feel the need to get annoyed by another account’s ask? An account that is already known to be NSFW and who accepts NSFW asks. They weren’t even asking how to find NSFW IFs, they were asking for recommendations from that author. I really love your story, but I despise the way you treat other authors and readers who simply have different opinions than you. This isn’t the first time you’ve decided to put your opinion in places it doesn’t belong. You don’t speak for all authors, and if another author has a problem with an ask or something, they can say something. You constantly show up on multiple blogs with some kind of complaint, you’re snippy and rude to other IF authors, you are hostile to askers who just want to understand where you’re coming from, and it’s very hard to appreciate what you do properly if all you do is cause drama amongst the IF community. There is already enough problems in this community and you feed every single fire. You push your way into every problem and it’s so difficult to try to follow your story when you’re constantly posting about issues that have nothing to do with you. I truly believe you’re an amazing writer who has such a bright future ahead of you, but you need to stop trying to worm your way into everything or you’ll lose a lot.

that particular ask Annoys Me, yes, and i did make that comment; it annoys me. there are a lot of things in the IF community that annoy me.

however, i reblogged it to point out how to turn the adult content filter off on itch.io, in an effort to Help that person find more games. i'm not trying to argue, i'm literally friends with that author, lmfao. i feel like so many of my comments on here get interpreted as me being "mean" when i'm literally just making a statement. obviously, the issue is not that the ask was sent to that blog (as i stated in the tags) but the way it has been circulated elsewhere. and i really don't think me saying an ask is annoying is that big of a deal, to be completely frank with you.

i'm assuming this instance isn't the actual one you have a problem with, though, and if you are really this bothered by me pointing out that we do Not exist in a bubble and the things you say on tumblr about other authors, other games, other characters are all things that people will see and possibly take issue with, especially when those things are being put directly in the interactive fiction tag (so they are clearly Meant to be seen and circulated. i am not just "showing up" on people's blogs), then i really don't know what to tell you. this is the internet. you are posting publicly, you are posting about Other People’s content. i will comment on it if i want to.

i've already explained my whole issue with the way some people treat nsfw content here on tumblr in the IF community and i'm not rehashing it again.

and you're right, i don't speak for all authors, but you do realize... i am friends with other authors, and we talk and discuss things that happen in the community amongst ourselves? we share opinions? and while they have nothing to do with my comments in the tags, or any of my previous discussions about this, i am friends with the author i just reblogged that ask from? and honestly, just because it's me saying it shouldn't automatically make you disregard it just because you all dislike me.

unfortunately, the reality is a lot of people are uncomfortable saying anything, because this is the reaction. i'm called a "bully" for pointing out that someone's post made other people uncomfortable. do you hear yourself? would any other course of action really have made a difference here, or would the story just change to me "trying to bully smaller authors in DMs, behind closed doors" instead? forgive me for feeling skeptical.

so what is the solution? to just ignore behavior that people find uncomfortable for the sake of "peace" or whatever? cus that's definitely going to help things improve.... sorry, but that's not the kind of person i am.

as for me being hostile, again, i feel like so many of the things i say are interpreted as me being rude or mean because i don't fill my responses with please and thank yous and positive affirmations. that's not my problem, that's yours. i have been hostile in the past to certain anons because they're purposefully trying to get a rise out of me, or are people that have been sending me shit for weeks and it annoys me. other times it's people sending me transphobic or homophobic shit and i'm not going to respond nicely, because as a gay trans person, it makes me angry, no matter what the original message's intent was. yes, i am going to have a problem with people that have homophobic and transphobic opinions, or as you put it, "different opinions than me." i have listened to other people's comments and thoughts before, i've posted opinions that i don't necessarily agree with, i’ve posted criticisms, but forgive me for not entertaining bigots on my blog. either way, even the instances where i have been Incredibly polite, people still tell me i'm being "too mean." and at the end of the day, i'm not going to deny it, i have been aggressive sometimes 🤷 because i have to be or else people won't listen and won't respect my boundaries. you have Not seen my inbox. you have not seen the kind of messages i receive here.

there also seems to be this prevalent assumption that you and i are friends, or that i am meant to be friends with every reader and every other author... we are Strangers. we are strangers on the internet (and you specifically are anonymous), i am not obligated to be your friend, or be super nice to you when you make me uncomfortable, and you’re not obligated to like every single thing i say. i do not Know you. this is incredibly important: you do not know me, i do not know you. not just at you, anon, but in general: i am not your friend. i am not your buddy, we are not familiar with each other, and i don't like when people act like we are and ignore basic etiquette and cross my boundaries.

there also seems to be this assumption that any "negative" comment is a "call out" or some kind of attempt at "cancellation".... that is not the case. me saying something is annoying is not "drama." it's just me saying that something is annoying. i'm not trying to Cancel every anon that has sent that ask, or whatever it is that you think i'm doing here. i literally just find the sudden fixation on nsfw content lately to be annoying. you are welcome to disagree, i literally don't give a shit.

pointing out racism and transphobia or other kinds of similar problems in other games and within the community is not "drama." so i don't really know what else you're referencing here when it comes to me having "complaints."

likewise, me telling someone that "x made people uncomfortable" is not me trying to argue, or start "drama." i cannot believe this has turned into such an issue?? like i am genuinely baffled over the response to this whole thing. personally, if something i did made someone uncomfortable in that way, i would want to know so i could correct it and make sure it doesn't happen again. i genuinely feel like i am in the fucking twilight zone, here.

i really don't have anything else to say about this. i'm not trying to change anyone's opinion about me, i am aware of what most people in this community think of me and it is what it is. if you have actual criticism beyond me hurting your feelings, then i’ll listen to it, but my focus at this point is keeping this space comfortable for me and the people around me and i'm going to keep doing that as long as i'm here working on these games, and if you take issue with that.... you can just unfollow me.

#ask #anonymous #sorry for the long post 🤷#i am tired of everything i say being hyperanalyzed and picked apart tho like im some evil mastermind secretly working to Cancel all authors #like. it's a little ridiculous #the fact that me saying an ask is annoying triggered you to write this essay is a little ridiculous #like me having to defend myself while other people get to publicly call me names….#but sure im the bully for… giving someone a mild criticism

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I feel the response to my ask was "disingenuous as fuck". Your original post was mad that the writers lost their jobs & blamed the fandom for not continuing to pay money for writing that many viewed as genuinely trans/bi/black-phobic. I don't think they deserved death threats or hate, but criticisms are valid. I don't get why you defend them and act like a fanbase of mostly lgbt+ who are probably hurting for money during the pandemic should be throwing money at writers that treat them like shit.

over a thousand members of the fandom WERE still paying money to the patreon is the thing though. i’m not arguing with you about what exactly kind of harm homestuck^2 did because i don’t know what exactly you want me to say? i’m not qualified to talk about the issues homestuck has with race but writing kind of spotty queer rep is in no way comparable to material anti-lgbt harm being inflicted on real people, nor did hs^2 at any point textually encourage violence against said marginalised groups.

but there were people who were still willing to financially support the team and the wider fandom harassment campaign directly led to these people no longer being able to donate money. also no one was being forced to donate to the patreon? the people who donated did so because they wanted to and because they were in a financial position where they could do so.

i defend the writers because they really aren’t these malicious actors bent on inflicting abuse on poor helpless lgbt fans like they’re made out to be. to be specific the writers who were pushed out of the team before now were all marginalised and were reviled for the apparent crime of representing their perspectives in line with homestuck’s narrative (thinking here specifically about the backlash towards pesterquest roxy and literally anyone who had any creative input on the direction of vriska’s character). the only evidence of those people treating the fans like shit is when they defended themselves and got mad about the literal online dogpiling they faced. if i was being 24/7 hounded by entitled fans i’d probably call them some rude things too! these were people doing a job that was comfortably financially supported that they had to walk away from for their own wellbeing. they did not owe the fans anything and even if they did they still had a large number of fans that supported their work and now it’s all gone because of a moral crusade by people who never liked post-canon homestuck and never intended to. that’s pretty much why i’m mad at the fandom.

#Anonymous #i do not get why people who hated hs^2 so much couldn't just ignore it?#it was one niche aspect of the homestuck franchise that had no bearing on the parts you liked #i do not get why they felt the need to get it shut down #because if we're slinging mud i'm gonna say it: hiveswap is a much worse offender on every front #but that one is more widely forgiven. hmm wonder why that could be

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So you really DON'T believe that Sora looks like Ven or Roxas??? Wtf lmao Bluerosesburnblue stuck to the facts there as usual, so why are you fighting the truth so hard? I dont want to sound rude but nothing you said made any sense. It's PERFECT for Sora to have been influenced by Ven and its basically implied in BBS.

I do like how the moment I allow anonymous asks again, the questions come flying in. Especially, when this is one of four that I’ve received talking about the same thing since those posts. I can’t tell if it’s even the same person, or if I just riled up some indignant feathers of her followers. I don’t know Blue personally, but I do feel pretty confident that she wouldn’t encourage one of the things you (probably) sent based on her comments about similar behavior during the SRT debunk. I know that the original inquirer, Mademoiseli, wouldn’t like it either.

Well done.

In any case, you could’ve brought it to the table on the reblog/comment chain instead of in my ask box, but...

Okay.

I am pretty tired of this conversation and the impact it has had on my interaction with others, so this is probably going to be the last time I address this unless any actual new information comes about regarding this part of the story. There is something that needs to be realized though:

For one—the reason why I even commented in the first place and why the conversation took its turn is essentially linked. The reason I entered it was because I held a difference to these statements and phrases made by Blue’s first answer:

“I think it’s certainly possible that Sora’s connection to Ventus did effect his appearance in a number of ways, and out of every possibility that one seems the most likely to me.”

along with:

“Ultimately, I can’t say for certain that Ventus had an impact on Sora’s appearance, but since there seems to be a good deal of evidence supporting that it would be possible, it’s one of the better explanations in my opinion.”

[via Blue post]

Admittedly, I was “triggered” to respond from this, which so happen to be the opening and closing statements of the posts. But, I understand that I shouldn’t have been prompted by it in the way that I was (not fully, anyway).

In that, she was primarily talking about the topic of Ven influencing Sora’s physical appearance as a probable explanation to the hypothetical question of, essentially, “Why do Sora and Ventus look alike?”. All the while, looking at how the ideal was congruent with existing concepts.

I, on the other hand, in addition to that, took it as an evaluation of, not only a hypothetical scenario, but extending to that of weighing the probability of the question and explanation becoming reality within the context.

In other words, while she was much more concerned with whether there existed congruent truths between the premise (Ven influencing Sora) and the context, I was primarily concerned with establishing whether it HAS happened and judging the likelihood of it happening at all. Between us speaking on theory and concepts or plausibility and probability—these certainly aren’t mutually exclusive, but the direction of the conversation was split between the two somehow.

And I’ll take the blame for that, but in recognizing that our approaches weren’t completely separate, still, talking about the likelihood of the premise being true and/or introduced at a later time WAS still a relevant topic. It could’ve been its own conversation, but it was relevant, nonetheless.

Two—I am a person that, when encountered with a question, I am first immediately concerned with the facts. Always. Only after that do I inquire about uncertain material through a “possibility spectrum”, and what determines the strong end of this are the facts that suggest or support the proposition at hand. Through that, I’m never opposed to admitting my uncertainty about something or the existence of “breathing room” to probability. Not to mention, establishing the difference between plausibility and probability for its interaction in gauging truth—I could get more into that, but it won’t be necessary for the sake of this post.

Anyway, with that out of the way, I’m going to approach the rest of this post by centering it around this question [ID as premise]:

Premise: “Do you believe it’s possible for it to be explained that Ventus influenced Sora’s physical appearance when their hearts connected?”

Understanding the extensions and work around of the questions (Sora growing into the influence and not being instant), I would answer—yes, it is possible by the merit of its potential to be. However, after reviewing the explanations already established for this connection and the results created by said explanations for the topic the prompt addresses, I would say that it’s unlikely to happen.

Yeah. You read that right.

Possible, but unlikely to happen. [improbable]

Remember to consider that there are two ways in which something can be explained for fictional media. This is typically split in what is taken from the concept of Diegesis, where in this scenario, we’re talking about explanations that function internally within and by the world, and explanations that function externally outside and by other means. Both approaches can even simultaneously exist for the same topic—there being an appropriate explanation for something in both ways.

The formation of my conclusion, actually, is based on the facts, which also don’t include any strict implication that Sora was influenced by Ven, as if to even create an equilibrium between their facial features. If anything, you could argue the opposite was done, specifically in the way of making a distinction between the two by their face.

So, let’s take a step back, and go to where all of this actually started in the game’s context. The first question revolving around this topic would essentially be this:

Q1: “Why do Roxas and Sora look alike?”

*we’ll refer to this as Q1

If not automatically generated by the events of the story itself, this question was made relevant even back in the release of the Ultimania Alpha (when Roxas was just “Mysterious Boy”). Here we could see Roxas’ face and model much more clearly than that of the picture at the end of the GBA version of CoM. The Ultimania Alpha features this as his profile header (and also on the correlation chart):

“Who does he (you) look like? The key person of “II””

- KH Ultimania Alpha—Roxas’ Profile, pg.12

First, it’s good to establish that by design, the characters of Sora and Roxas do and were intended to [basically] have the same face, save for a few differences made. They also have other attributes that are considerate of each other, but we’ll highlight the face specifics. This is certainly non-debatable from an external application that they are to be correlated characters by design.

“The facial models of Roxas and Sora are basically the same, but the chin is slightly different. When I put on his hair, Roxas looked a little bit stout, so I made him thinner.”

- KH2 Ultimania—Tomohiro Kayano [3D Modeling Director], pg. 345

“Roxas: I traced Sora for this piece. My image of Roxas actually came first, before Sora, and I had already drawn him for the first project document. The concept of "between" was something I kept in mind: since Sora's outfit was to be black this time, I made Roxas' base color white, and I also added a black and white checked pattern. The cross on his chest isn't a necklace, it's part of his zipper, and it is the motif of the Nobodies. Also, his hair is supposed to be the exact same length as Sora's.”

- KH2 Ultimania, pg. 701 [via KHInsider]

“Roxas A lot of thought was put into this character. Based on the premise that he was 'an expression of the reverse, hidden inside Sora', I gave him pretty much the exact same face as Sora, just with slightly narrower eyes. And then, I made white the basis for his clothes, in contrast to KHII Sora. The black and white checkered pattern, 'neither darkness nor light', was to be a hint. My absolute favourite scene of his has to be the one at the end of the opening of KHII, when he says 'looks like my summer vacation is over'. I put a lot of feeling into creating that, as I intended it to feel, for a moment, like the end.”

- Nomura, KH Character’s Report Vol. 1 [via KHInsider]

The third one is the most interesting because it’s the only one to provide an explanation to the external application of the similarity—it being based on the connection that the characters shared and how they’re perceived against one another. Roxas being the “reverse” of Sora was utilized in more ways than the face, more so than what is understood by how that could apply to Riku’s design.

If considering the relevancy of correlating Sora and Roxas’ designs outside of representing their connection to one another (i.e. just by design alone in representing it—external), the answer can also be assumed from the game’s revelations. Meaning, after playing KH2, it would be reasonable that people would essentially believe that the answer to Q1 was answered as:

“Because Roxas is Sora’s Nobody”

Hah.

However, in the reality of the internal explanation that directly influences the characters, this didn’t quite turn out to be the answer that was presented. Not only that, but the question changed. BBS happened, and instead, we receive an answer that turns Q1 into a misleading question, and presents another in its place:

Q2: “Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike?”

No, seriously. It is the literal question posed in the BBS Ultimania:

“Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike? A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart.

As was shown in the opening to KH BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked (P.646). And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus.”

- BBS Ultimania, pg. 616 [via KHInsider]

The answer here is pretty straight forward. The “why” is propositioned by two things: Sora and Ventus’ hearts being linked and Ventus’ heart residing in Sora when Roxas was created. Whether it was just one or both of these reasons is inconsequential—Roxas took his physical appearance from Ventus, NOT Sora. This is the internal explanation given on the topic of Roxas’ and Ventus’ appearance, not the external as previously given in KH2.

Since BBS, the idea of Roxas = Sora has essentially been replaced with the actuality of Roxas = Ventus multiple, if not every single, time appearance is mentioned or corresponding questions were answered.

"Ven has the same hairstyle, face, clothes, and voice of Roxas, but just who is he?”

“The face of the polygon model of Ventus that appears in this title is, strictly speaking, different to the one from KH BBS. The one in KH BBS was subtly altered from Roxas' face, but this time, in order to increase efficiency on motion work, we used the same model for Ventus and Roxas.”

“Yes, it is the same actor. Therefore the player will only look at Ven as Roxas from Kingdom Hearts 2.”

[blazed through because those quotes are too long]

* Keep in mind it’s usually about how VEN looks like Roxas, because Roxas was introduced as a character first. Internally for the story, it’s really the other way around.

And, in the mountains of paratextual material that has covered the two characters since BBS, it has opted to mention the similar notion of Roxas getting his appearance from Ven—this being mostly by the specification of the face. The idea that Roxas and Ventus share the same “physical entity” has been introduced and cemented by the explanations given by BBS.

So, instead of getting Q1 v.2:

“Okay? But uhh, still, why do Sora and Ventus [Roxas] look alike, then?”

We get this:

Q3: “Why do Sora and Vanitas look alike?”

The answer, of course, was explained in a similar fashion to Q2:

“How did you decide on the design for their faces?

Nomura: Well Terra’s look was already a decided thing, we just had to make him look a bit younger. I knew that Ventus should look either like Sora or Roxas, and I wasn’t sure which one to go with, but I thought Vanitas looking like Sora would have a bigger impact so I had Ventus look like Roxas instead. And there is a reason that Vanitas looks like Sora. As Sora filled in Ventus’ fractured heart, the fractured part (Vanitas) was effected by Sora and ended up with Sora’s face. So if it had been Riku who had filled in Ventus’ heart, Vanitas would have looked like Riku.”

- BBS Ultimania, pg. 646 [via KHInsider]

Similar to the above, instead of Vanitas, who comes from Ventus, looking as such of his existential bond, instead it emphasizes that of Sora = Vanitas by the physical attributes. Interestingly enough, in the same quote is the proposition of whether Ventus would look like either Sora or Roxas in development, lending more to the idea of this separation of their appearance. Similarly, this is mentioned consistently in how Vanitas looks like Sora. This extends even beyond the Ultimania books, as even the KH3 Character Files book emphasizes that Vanitas has “Sora’s face” and resemblance. [pg.86]

If you read my posts in the original chain, you’d understand that what I’m pointing out is that, instead of establishing an equilibrium between the four characters, it instead creates the separation of two different physical entities:

Sora [Vanitas] and Ventus [Roxas].

This would be different than what was cleanly set between Kairi, Namine, and Xion—this being accompanied by external and internal reasons that not only captured the connections between the characters, but also have literal, internal reasons applied that are part of the narrative.

“How did you go about designing Xion's outward appearance?

Nomura: It was decided from the start that she would have a deep connection to Kairi, so she was based on Kairi with her hair changed a little. We were actually thinking of changing nothing but the colour of her hair, but when designs were drawn up her hairstyle was made quite a bit different too. Even the 3D polygon model's face is the same as Kairi's, apart from the hair. So, if you look at the 3D models of Xion, Namine and Kairi, they have the same face and differ only in their hair, but unexpectedly have individual personalities.”

- Days Ultimania, pg. 485 [via KHInsider]

Actually, the quote itself is similar to the comment made by Tomohiro Kayano above about Sora and Roxas’ 3D facial models being “basically the same”, except the girls are without difference of detail to the face, with the note of being the same while the hair is specifically what differs. This turns out to be an interesting detail because, there’s never an attempt to create a distinction between the three characters outside of what has been spoken for—their hair. And, they have the internal explanation to boot for what makes it literal in and of itself.

This is different than that of the Sora [Vanitas] and Ventus [Roxas] entities, where for internal functionality, there is then a difference by the face in those two and what it means for the characters in the story. As far as I’m concerned, there isn’t even an attempt to establish that they all have “the same face, but different hair.”

Where’s the equilibrium?

The further we go into the explanations that take a different road than that of what Q1 proposes, the question itself starts to become irrelevant—the mystery of the question’s origin (that between Roxas and Sora) was instead supplied by other lore reasoning in the world. All the while, setting a distinction between the two physical entities by “the face” as opposed to just answering the original question.

At least, in an internal way.

Really, Q1 is already answered—this answer being more external, that Roxas has “pretty much the exact same face” as Sora as a way to represent their connection to one another, with the “pretty much” representing the differences that can be accounted for.

However, when it comes to an in-world, internal explanation, instead of providing a lore-based reasoning to express in the narrative, which would’ve been thought to be the same reasoning (because he’s Sora’s Nobody) as the external reasoning, instead we have an answer that makes the Q1, now, seem misleading.

To be fair, it doesn’t necessarily eliminate the Q1, just makes it seem less likely to be answered or if even to be something to be asked anymore. That’s because, in all the ways we understand what resulted from the connection made between Sora and Ventus, we haven’t exactly been given an explicit negative to the possibility of the original premise:

Premise: “Do you believe it’s possible for it to be explained that Ventus influenced Sora’s physical appearance when their hearts connected?”

or, to reintroduce it in a familiar angle:

Q1 v.2: “Why do Sora and Ventus [Roxas] look alike?”

It’s not explicitly negated, but in all the information I could find, this following quote is the closest to answering either question.

– So it’s not “Once Sora’s story is finished, another hero’s story will begin”, the hero is always Sora.

Nomura: Yes. One of the concepts behind the KH series is that the main character Sora isn’t special, he’s just a normal boy. Yes he does have connections with Ventus’ heart, among others, but he hasn’t inherited anything from them. He’s just a normal boy you could find anywhere. I wanted to make Sora a character that the player could take onto themselves and feel that you don’t have to be special. But connect to many people and you will realize your secret potential. With BbS I want to make fans excited to see Sora’s return. The secret event is a symbol of that, so I hope everyone will get to see it and wait for Sora’s next adventure.

- BBS Ultimania, pg. 650 [Via KHInsider]

Unlike the other quotes supplied for the topic of Sora and Ventus’ connection, this quote was on the conversation of Sora’s adventures post-KH3. However, the comment itself is still in retrospect of the internal attributes of Sora’s character, even specifically mentioning his connection to Ventus’ heart, putting it in perspective of that particular circumstance that happens in the game.

So, what do we have now?

That comment doesn’t completely negate the premise, technically, but it also doesn’t support it either. In tandem with everything else in what HAS been done with the connection between Sora and Ventus....

It doesn’t look likely.

There’s also the mention of Aqua pointing out how Sora is:

ENG: “the spitting image of Ven”

JPN: “ヴェンそのもの [Ven himself]”

Even though there isn’t anything conclusive to whether she, just like with Riku, was talking more about Sora and Ven’s disposition than their physical face, the BBS Ultimania does go with the former.

“Guided by a warm light, Aqua meets two boys on the island. Their atmosphere [presence] was similar to that of Terra and Ventus.”

- BBS Ultimania, pg.384

As it is, the fact remains that there hasn’t been any attempt in equalizing the appearance between Sora and Ventus outside of what could already be understood externally through Sora and Roxas.

The understanding of it being unlikely to be addressed or to be a truth doesn’t rely on “it wasn’t talked about”. Because, IT WAS talked about—the topic surrounding this HAS been approached, it HAS been explained, and the premise at hand isn’t anything offered as actuality.

So, why should I assume then that the information we’ve received for years, that has been explained and told in so many ways, is incomplete?

It could change, sure, but it’s not incomplete as it is. As to this day, we can safely say that the literal equalization of similarity isn’t between Sora and Ventus, because it, as of right now, literally isn’t in accordance to the observable facts. It hasn’t happened, even if to predict it to happen. And if to weigh the possibility of this change occurring, after all the facts presented above and how the subject has been breached, that yes—it’s an unlikely change.

Not impossible, but improbable.

And that is VERY reasonable to say after 10+ years and an immense amount of supplemental paratext produced to say something about it.

This being by not what information is lacking, but by what has been provided. And even then, the frequency and different angles in which the information has been touched upon makes it hit much harder.

If in the attempt to play devil’s advocate on myself, I would proposition that the proposed premise would be setup by the concept behind the story of BBS:

"There is no coincidence in fate"

In which, along with the questions of “why Riku was chosen to wield the keyblade, or why Kairi met Sora and Riku”, the original question (Why do Sora and Roxas look alike?) could’ve been a part of that, and thus, explained similar to that of the Kairi, Namine, and Xion situation—that Sora AND Roxas were influenced by Ventus (and, logically, Vanitas would’ve been as well), and that being why they look alike.

But nope.

Instead, we got it all the other way around where Sora is the character influencing the other characters, and being connected to all three through that direction, not backwards. Creating, really, the impression that the visual similarity between Sora and Ventus IS fate, but through this, it is part of that scheme in which two people who just so happen to be similar are connected to one another.

Their resemblance and their connection is by the design of fate and the way it was meant to be—not necessarily due to a direct phenomenon, but that two people who have that similarity were fated to have the connection they have.

It certainly has been done in storytelling before, so it isn’t a crazy concept anyway.

Don’t know for certain, but from the information available, that actually seems more likely.

Sora has not been affected by Ventus, and the fact that this information isn’t presented as incomplete, this idea becomes less plausible to even be implemented, if not, irrelevant. This would be the same to Q1 as it is, where it was diverted by other information and questions.

All the while, in recognizing the distinction given between the two physical entities of Sora[Vanitas] and Ventus[Roxas], I much more prefer how they’ve handled it so far, where that bridge between Sora and Ventus isn’t closed by that type of phenomenon, but instead, through the efforts of capturing the connection that the characters have. This is directly through the acknowledgement of how the story has implemented understanding of the distinction between the two, particular the face, NOT just the hair. This is also in accordance to story things, in that in the connection between Sora and Ventus, this is primarily a one-sided affair in how Sora influences Ven, NOT the other way around, and I’m fine with that in how it is represented in the story.

This is especially for the sake of Sora and Roxas’ characters is very concerned with his identity in relation to his existential ties towards Sora, and Sora is the normal boy who has “secret potential” by his ability to connect with other people. I’ve of zero interest of Sora’s character being tainted with that type of effect, especially now and in everything that hasn’t [would’ve] acted in accordance to it.

Sigh.

Anyway, that’s just what it is. Don’t send me any more asks expecting me to post this, because I honestly don’t have anything else to say about it that would be that much different. My points would largely be the same. If you have concerns though (like some quotes I got myself since KHInsider didn’t have them), just message me, and I’ll send some screen shots and whatnot.

Anyway, overall, it still remains an interesting thing to thing about alongside the concepts that are implemented in KH. That, I can agree on.

#kingdom hearts #sora #roxas #ventus #vanitas #but seriously #knock it off

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elizabethrobertajones · 7 years

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regarding your "wank" post. I really don't mean to be rude so you don't have to publish this if you don't feel like it. But you complain about being seen as a positivity police but the examples you give are kinda yea true. You're right on those ones. But I think there is a big difference on speculation that's coming for next seasons and genuine complaints about the show. For example Sam was out of character this season with following the BMOL. And it was bad writing. (1/2)

But when you come to certain meta bloggers with that you get a 5 paragraph expalantion about why that really wasn’t bad writing and it really fit the the character. And I don’t know at some point you get the feeling that there is NO place for people who still love the show but have complaints about it. You either love it. Or you hate it and should stop watching. As soon as you voice an opinion people will say; if you don’t like it, then stop watching. there is no room for complaint. onlypositivy

I just came upstairs to grab my phone and ended up looking in my inbox, but I will say quickly that:

But when you come to certain meta bloggers with that you get a 5 paragraph expalantion

The thing is after an episode I see a zillion posts about an episode doing this that or the other, and I can choose to agree, disagree, or just not engage at my leisure. There’s wanky bloggers I just never ever reblog from even when I see others do because they have nothing to say I agree with and I DO see the futility in talking to them.

ON THE OTHER HAND, when people bring stuff TO a meta writer, to our inboxes, with the exact same point, THEN you are either asking us to comment on it or for us to ignore an anon. And I do. I ignore some wanky anons I have no answer to or don’t think there’s anything I can say that will help.

BUT WHEN SOMEONE TAKES SOMETHING DIRECTLY TO A META BLOGGER AND ASKS AN OPINION YOU ARE GOING TO GET AN OPINION AND IT WILL NOT BE ONE YOU CAN PREDICT IF IT WILL VALIDATE YOUR OWN BITTERNESS OR NOT.

Largely, I see it as a chance to try and CHEER UP someone who is miserable about the show, on the assumption they do like watching it and maybe some more insight on their issue might help them out if I can offer it.

IT IS NOT POLICING ANYTHING IF YOU WALK RIGHT UP TO US AND ASK AN OPINION AND OUR OPINION IS NOT BITTER.

You’re literally soliciting an answer and waiting to see what it is and if it’s not “yeah fuck those guys” you have the right to continue disagreeing and feeling bitter but we have been asked our opinion and we’re going to give it and if it’s positive, well that’s just because we still see some light here and there and we’re enforcing it on literally no one, just offering the exact thing that anyone would come to the inbox of a meta blogger to ask for in the first place. You can find the blogs going “oh fuck them” easily enough by looking in the general tags.

Listen, if someone IS going around arguing with all the negative posts, fair enough they might be the “positivity police” (or just trying to help people feel better about something they supposedly love but proactively)

But in the example you gave you literally gave the ONE FREAKING WAY that is the LEAST AGGRESSIVE, POLICING WAY anyone can POSSIBLY offer positivity about the show on this hell site because they were ASKED THEIR OPINION AND GAVE IT.

Like fucking hell, I’m sorry, I’m in a mood about this today because there’s some utterly ridiculous misconceptions about people who write meta and the idea that TAKING SOMETHING TO US FOR OUR OPINION is creating the positivity police, means MAYBE ONLY COME ASK A QUESTION WHEN YOU WANT TO READ THE ANSWER. WE ARE REALLY HAPPY TO DISCUSS THE SHOW IN ALL ITS ASPECTS AND TRY AND META IT THOROUGHLY FOR YOU SO YOU DON’t HAVE TO DO ANY THINKING YOURSELF.

Least you can do is be ready for the fact you’re asking people who are offering the service to explain and help and understand as much as possible the choices in the writing of the show and ASSUME they’re doing it in a customer service voice like how can we help, sir, do you want a side of speculation with that cheer up meta reasoning why it might not be as shitty as you think when you dig below the surface?

Because when you bring stuff to a meta writer, they’re going to meta it. And if they are generally positive enough about the show to be doing that activity in the first place, they’re going to find the upsides

There’s NOTHING policing about responding positively to someone BRINGING an idea or wank to them.

Also there is no crime in being a positive blog full stop.

#Asks #I'm sorry you feel this way but I am realising today the fandom has a MESSED UP view in general about meta #and i want to make it really clear that as meta writers we don't THINK about HALF these shitty things #we don't write stuff meaning to police anything #we don't go out of our way to pick fights #we like talking about the show #we want other people to talk to us about it #if someone comes to talk to us about it we assume they want a conversation #like #we're nerds #that's all it is #fucking nerds #let us be #wank for ts

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loudlytransparenttrash · 7 years

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Why are you against feminism? From what I can see of your blog you are just as judgmental and rude as you accuse feminists to be. I don't know much about your fundamental beliefs but at least feminism is built on the basic idea of equality and justice. I think you might feel like feminism is obnoxious? Or maybe that feminists attack people to much? But my issue with that is that it seems like you are attacking feminists with just as much fervor and less of a moral basis.

I’m going to go easy as you’ve probably only just discovered feminism and you admit in your other messages that you have only read a few of my posts. But why didn’t you read more before asking why I’m against it?

If you did bother reading any of my posts, you’d understand my critique goes a lot further than “feminists are rude.” I can tell you are used to debating people who really don’t know what they’re talking about, so all you have to do is throw around the whole “supporting feminism is the moral thing to do and if you don’t then you are immoral” tactic and you’ve won.

In your second message, you affirm this by saying, “Feminism is about equality between men and women, and if you claim to be a moral person, all of those are objectively good things.“ You did the same in this message as well, saying I attack feminism with little moral basis. Well, you asked why I’m against feminism and you’ve just provided a perfect example.

It’s these sly, sneaky manipulations which feminists have successfully used to shame and silence opposition for years. If you don’t agree with feminism, you hate women, equality and morality. If you don’t agree with Black Lives Matter, you hate black people. If you don’t agree with illegal immigration, you hate all immigrants. It’s all the same and it it only ever comes from one side. So for someone who believes feminism is the epitome of morality, what exactly is feminism doing that justifies this belief that supporting feminism makes you a moral person?

You repeat over and over that feminism is about equality for men and women which I’m sure you often whip out the cute dictionary definition to prove it. Though you have to realize the gig is up, that used to be a convincing way to pull the wool over eyes, “how could you possibly be against equality between the sexes” but forty years later and we’re still waiting to find out what exactly feminism has done that benefits both men and women. Years of crooked actions cannot hide behind a dictionary definition.

Let’s look at feminism’s most common grievances, better known as lies, and you tell me why you think we are immoral for not playing along:

Wage gap myth: Where misogynist businesses are deliberately breaking the law and losing billions in profits by paying men more than women, simply because America hates women. Also, you’d think if women were being unfairly underpaid, they would sue their employer since there’s already two major laws that are enforced to prevent pay discrimination and they would be perfectly in their rights to sue, yet they can never find evidence of it once facts and honesty become a requirement, I wonder why that would be? The myth also collapses the moment you realize the entire framework of it is not comparing an apple to an apple, it’s the obvious difference in wages between a male accountant and female cleaner instead of comparing a male accountant to a female accountant and a male cleaner to a female cleaner.

Male privilege myth: Where despite the fact men are less educated, less graduate, have shorter life expectancies, commit the most suicide, the majority of victims of all violent crime, make up nearly all workplace and service deaths, nearly all those incarcerated, have less legal rights, do society’s most disgusting, dangerous and backbreaking jobs, expected to give up their life for a woman and receive little to no support or charity for men’s issues and diseases, no shelters or protection, no grants or gender-based scholarships, males are still born into a world of privilege where they can sail through life with a breeze while being responsible for women’s oppression by merely existing.

Toxic masculinity: Where the behavioral differences and the core identity of being a male is toxic and not only affects all boys but it’s also responsible for harming women. This framework allows feminists to contextualize all of the bad experiences they’ve had with men under a broad umbrella of “toxic masculinity.” It’s the best way to blame men as a whole without directly pointing the finger. If masculinity is really toxic, then what’s the remedy? We already know the answer. Stripping, or feminists would call it liberating men from their masculinity and then they go on to encourage women to be ass kickin, beer drinkin bosses who’s life is work and having onenightstands with a whole bunch of weak men.

Rape culture myth: Where America supports and tolerates a “rape epidemic” known as ‘1 in 5′ (which is a myth itself) and the only way to overcome it is to pull young boys aside in class and tell them over and over that they are potential rapists and rape is wrong. Have you noticed all of these injustices perfectly sums up life under Islamic law by the way. Instead rape culture in America is statues and Blurred Lines. RAINN, the largest anti-rape organization in the country, says “In the last few years, there has been an unfortunate trend towards blaming “rape culture” for the extensive problem of sexual violence on campus. It is important not to lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime.”

Then we have manspreading, mansplaining, the male gaze, heteronormativity, crush the patriarchy. Does any of this scream “equality between the sexes”? Or does it have a nasty whiff of deceit, lies and attempts to demonize men and provoke an oppressor-victim paradigm that helps give feminism the power it needs to continue to entice more impressionable young women and continue to rake in the masses of donations and funding?

And yet you still pretend to have the moral high ground. You have to understand, most people who oppose feminism were once a feminist. You’re under the naive impression that we have no real reason for not supporting it and we “just don’t understand.” Here’s the problem, the majority of women aren’t feminists and it’s because they do understand feminism. Indoctrination only works on an empty mind. That’s the problem. There’s nothing you can “teach” or “explain” to us that we didn’t once say ourselves.

I understand you’re probably used to arguing with anti-feminists who just shitpost and troll feminists as they have nothing better to do. But the next time you spam my inbox with dumb messages saying I’m immoral and I don’t understand feminism, please come equipped with something a little better.

All you’re doing is proving my point: Feminism is an emotion-driven scam with no evidence, no facts or credibility. It’s a girls club where only those who agree are allowed membership, if you’re a conservative woman, Trump supporting woman, a pro-life woman or a woman who even slightly steps out of the ideological party line, you join the straight white men as the enemy. Feminism stopped standing for equality a long time ago.

I already have a feeling you’re not going to reply so I won’t go on. Though if you want to talk more or you’ve managed to find a solid argument against anything I’ve said, please feel free to message me at any time :) xx

#myreplies

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