#achaean

[fickes]

On always making your suffering a goddamn competition

#art #artists on tumblr #illustration #visual poetry #comic #ancient greece #iliad #the iliad #homer #achilles #agamemnon #trojan #achaean #ancient greek #drawing #painting #comics #poetry #artist #queer artist #clip studio paint #digital art #trojan war #classics

[dolonsonofeumedes]

y’all i am wearing the COOLEST weasel cap rn

#trojanwarposting #trojan war #trojan #tamer of horses #achaean #achaeans dni #weasel cap!!!!!!! #the iliad #<- whatever that is. some blind guy told me to add that tag

[dijeh]

Figure 1. Hittite graffito: warrior with horsetail crested helmet, found at Boğazköy / Hattusa (HPC 308, following Vermeule 1987:146). Drawing by Jill Curry Robbins.

Figure 2. Fresco fragment: warrior with horsetail crested helmet. From a fragment of a Mycenaean or “Achaean” painting (HPC 309, following Vermeule 1987:146). Drawing by Valerie Woelfel.

East of the Achaeans: Making up for a missed opportunity while reading Hittite texts (Gregory Nagy)

#gregory nagy #hittite #achaean #valerie woelfel #jill curry robbins #history #art

[kebriones]

Can you draw all the solders waddling in like little traffic cones. I saw Achilles in the armour and I just want to see that

I hope that this is what you meant, Anon.

#the iliad #homer #the achaean cone bois #tagamemnon #menelaus #ajax the great #odysseus #achilles #patroclus

[dootznbootz]

Odysseus, throughout his 20 years gone: I would not need to learn to manage my anger if more people learned to manage their stupidity.

#His fellow Achaeans #His own army #to Polyphemus #the suitors #The gods #literally everyone but his wife and son are free game for his anger #Even when he should get mad at them (like when Telemachus left the door open for the weapons room) he doesn't. it's so funny. #odysseus #the odyssey #odyssey #the iliad #iliad #tagamemnon #Mad rambles #shot by odysseus

[lesbianshepard]

*trying to impress girls at the club* you know...i can recite the entire catalogue of ships from the iliad 😏

#yeah it's only like 300 lines it's no big deal #yeah yeah all the Achaean leaders and how many ships they brought #i actually cant i have shit memory #but what a feat it would be if i could!

[alibonbonn]

Considering changing my Thetis’s design to be more Mother Supreme

#she’s inhuman she’s not malicious she’s a loving mama she #she send the achaeans quaking in their little boots #ooooh she loves her silly liddle boy #I’m procrastinating on the outline but this is something in it :) #wip #alibonbonn

[luciuscaelus]

I AM NOT ALRIGHT.

Fall of Icarus. Death of Aegeus. Lost of Hylas. Katabasis of Orpheus. Everything about Oedipus, and Antigone and Ismene. Death of Patroclus. Death of Hector. Death of Ajax. Death of Antilochus. Death of Achilles. Cries of Trojan women. Nostos of Odysseus. Odysseus’s love for Penelope. Odysseus’s meeting with Anticlea. Telemachy.

I’VE BEEN SHEDDING TOO MANY TEARS FOR THIS TRAGIC MYTHOS RECENTLY.

(Oh half of my tags aren’t showing cuz I’ve run out of them.)

#greek mythology #tagamemnon #odysseus #icarus #orpheus and eurydice #oedipus #antigone #patroclus #achilles #hector #telemachus #been hyperfixated on greek mythology too much already #it just can’t go normal without tragedies eh? #the looking back of Orpheus is breaking my heart #he went all the way down to the underworld just to bring his wife home #and all hope was lost when he looked back #DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH IT HURTS ME??? #And when will I ever get over the story of Achilles and Patroclus? #Patroclus why lingered in the battlefield and never returned? #the fall of troy was completely tragic #the brutality of achaeans led to their melancholy nostoi #not to mention how these brutal actions became the nightmare of all trojans #and there’s always the Ithaca royal family #and who mourns for Hector? #lemme know #wait for me #I’m coming to you #yeah and do you know how much of my thoughts have Hadestown and Epic the musical taken over? #90% if not all #sorry if I’m getting too emotional about them I just can’t help it

[littlesparklight]

Some thoughts on deities and what would be considered "their" cities...

You've got Zeus with Troy and Dodona, but what I wanted to talk the most about is Apollo and Sparta.

Apollo being so connected to Sparta in the historical era (though, even there it seems Hyacinthus was first!), it's really easy to assume the same thing applies in myth. I certainly did!

But looking at it... myth-wise you have Delos and Delphi, presumably Pleuron, since in a version of the myth where Apollo kills Meleager, he does so specifically during the battle between the Pleuronians and the Calydonians that spring from the Calydonian boar hunt.

Then Tenedos, Killa, Sminthe - and Troy, if only in relation to the royal family, especially for the Trojan war era. (This not taking into account possible real-world connections one could make for the city itself and "Apalinuna(s)".) In connection with this, you've got the association of Leto with Lycia and in general the cities/lands around western coastal Asia, and with her her twins.

You know who does claim Sparta (and was worshipped there in historical times, as well), however? Not just claims it but claims it as one of her three most favoured cities?

Hera.

Hera, too, that didn't step in to hinder Herakles when he went against Hippokoon and put Tyndareos back on the throne*. If it's remarkable to Herakles that she didn't hinder him for this, I'd say it's pretty likely it's because she both favours the city and disapproved of Hippokoon usurping Tyndareos' throne. Herakles going against the usurper and putting the rightful ruler back on the throne would then be to her pleasure and she has little cause to actively oppose him even if she isn't going to actively help him either.

(Hell, given that Hera with Hermes gave Polydeukes and Kastor immortal horses, clearly being a bastard son of Zeus matters less when said bastard son(s) is attached to Sparta!)

*Pausanias, Description of Greece 3. 15. 9 : "The Lakedaemonians [of Sparta] are the only Greeks who surname Hera Aigophagos (Goat-eater), and sacrifice goats to the goddess. They say that Herakles founded the sanctuary and was the first to sacrifice goats, because in his fight against Hippokoon and his children he met with no hindrance from Hera, although in his other adventures he thought that the goddess opposed him.

#greek mythology #apollo #hera #greek myth thoughts #not that one can't have Hyacinthus upset Apollo is 'betraying' Sparta #because as a potential bit of relationship conflict that is way too juicy #to just wave away #there's after all Apollo's connection to Hyacinthus #and with that to Sparta #and Hyacinthus' mother can be a granddaughter of Apollo #and lastly - just Hyacinthus assuming that OF COURSE #Apollo would be on the Achaean side...

[adriles]

this was when internet memes began

#image #this is the #alaksandu treaty #from 13th century bce #which mentions hittite wilusa #bronze age anatolia at peak power babey #there r hittite records from around then that mention conflicts over the city #which mention achaean intercessors #slay

[valiantvillain]

So in the Odyssey we found out Nestor has a daughter called Polycaste who he allows to bathe Telemachus and in some versions of post-Odyssey life the two of them are married, which implies that she is either of age with or younger than Telemachus. Telemachus is as old as how long Odysseus has been gone; 20 years. So Polycaste was either just a baby like Telemachus when their fathers set off to Troy, or (and personally I find this possibility more interesting) Nestor's wife was pregnant with her when he left.

And like, imagine you're Nestor and you're finally returning home after ten years of war and are probably dreading having to tell your wife that one of your sons died at Troy. And you come home and find out you now have a 9-10-year-old daughter who probably doesn't even know who the fuck you are or any emotional connection to the brother she lost. Not to mention that those two brothers who went to war were probably old enough to be fathers themselves so she may very well be an aunt to children fairly close in age to herself. Like can you imagine how awkward and uncomfortable that would have to have been for all parties involved?

And then Telemachus just comes along years later looking for info on his dad and Nestor just decides to play matchmaker.

There isn't really a point to all this. I just felt like rambling about Classics again.

#greek myth #greek mythology #homer #the odyssey #the iliad #nestor #telemachus #polycaste #like sometimes i just think about how much time all the men in the Achaean army lost even if it wasn't for twenty years like odysseus #their kids literally grew up without them #who knows how many of them had kids born just months after they left that just spent the first decade or their lives without a father #i just imagine these kids being very confused #and just thinking “why the fuck is this dude in our house and why does he keep wanting me to call him dad?”

[johaerys-writes]

Do you know the approximate ages of all the main characters in The Iliad?

Hi anon! I haven't looked into this topic before tbh, and I feel like researching it thoroughly will take up a lot of time, so these are just off the top of my head!

Achilles was a teenager when Agamemnon called the men of Hellas to sail to Troy. By the time of the Iliad, he must be in his late 20s.

Patroclus is described as being slightly older, and therefore wiser, than Achilles and is sent to Troy to counsel him. So he must be in his early 30s in the Iliad.

Ajax is Achilles' cousin, and is said to have been trained by Chiron too. But I'm not sure if they trained at the same time? Telamon, Ajax's father, is the elder brother of Peleus, so if we assume that both these men had their kids at about the same age, then Ajax would be at least a few years older than Achilles. Maybe Ajax was sent to Chiron first, and then Achilles followed. I'm really not sure haha. But I would say he must be about mid to late 30s.

The sacrifice of Iphigenia is one of those myths that not everyone accepts as part of the Iliad, but I am one of those that believe that it should be read into the greater myth of the Iliad and the Epic Cycle (for various reasons that I will not go into now lol). Agamemnon and Clytemnestra had four kids, and Iphigenia was the oldest, who at the start of the Trojan war was at marrying age (let's say about 15). That means that Agamemnon must have been at the very least in his mid 30s when the war started (although men generally married older than the women). So in the Iliad he should be at least mid to late 40s.

Menelaus is Agamemnon's younger brother, so.... let's say he's late 30s, early 40s when the Iliad starts? Give or take?? My impression is that he's a quite a bit younger than Agamemnon but I don't remember a specific passage about it right now.

Odysseus left Ithaca after Penelope had just had Telemachus, so that would have been in the first or second year of their marriage. He must have been at least in his 20s when that happened, let's say mid to late twenties. He must be mid to late 30s in the Iliad.

Nestor is described as having seen two generations of men, and that he's still ruling as king in the third age, so I would assume he's FUCK old lmao. Probably 70s-80s in the Iliad, I would say.

Hector is Priam's oldest son by Hecuba, and he has 19 siblings by the same mother. The youngest son, Polydorus, is old enough to meet Achilles on the battlefield in the Iliad. I'm not sure in which order the children were born, but if we assume that Hector has at least a 10 year age difference with Polydorus, and that Polydorus is at least 15 in the Iliad, then we're already looking at a man who is in his mid to late 20s at the very least. But he's most definitely much older than that, because...

Helen's daughter, Hermione, is quite young when Helen leaves with Paris, but I'm not sure how old exactly. What we do know is that Helen spends 10 years in Troy before the Achaeans arrive, and then there's 10 more years of the war, so at the time of the Iliad she must be... late 30s? At least? And Paris is probably around the same age as her. And if Paris is in his late 30s, and he's Hector's younger brother, then Hector is even older than him. Which means that Hector is probably in his early 40s.

Priam has a ton of children, and he is generally described in the Iliad as a kindly and mild-mannered old man, so I would place him about Nestor's age. Virgil in his Aeneid has Priam be in his 80s when Troy is sacked, and I think that estimation is correct.

I think these are the main characters?? Don't think I've missed anyone lol. As I said, these are off the top of my head so if anyone has any corrections or additions they're welcome to add them <3

#the iliad #homer's iliad #we really go into fucky territory with some of these i think #many contradictory accounts over Hecuba and how many children/sons she had #i also didn't mention andromache and briseis bc there's not much to suggest their ages i don't think? other than them being quite young #i would say mid to late twenties in the iliad #given that andromache's only child is a baby and i thiiiiink briseis had been freshly married when the achaeans sacked lyrnessus? #anywho feel free to correct me if i'm wrong! #tagamemnon

[dolonsonofeumedes]

this is a post abt my lovely son eumedes (named after his grandfather). what a guy. i hope he’ll achieve greatness in battle someday, just like me after i receive the horses of achilles when we win the war!

#eumedesposting #trojanwarposting #trojan war #trojan #achaean #achaeans dni #the iliad #horseposting

[baejax-the-great]

Saw a post earlier about how people dunk on Agamemnon because of "bad media literacy" and needing to make Achilles look better, and I'm like, lmao, I dunk on Agamemnon because Homer wrote him as an absolute buffoon

#by book 2 hes made a complete fool of himself #he never gets a redemption arc #by the end of the book the Achaeans are booing when he speaks #like... #that post also aaid Achilles anger was written as a warning #which is just... a take but definitely not definitive proof #I'd say he wrote Agamemnon to show the dangers of incompetent leadership #book opens with Agamemnon refusing to give back a daughter and basically being forced and still not accepting it #causing the Achilles conflict #book ends with Achilles giving back a son peacefully and asking nothing in return #Agamemnon's armor slaps tho ill give him that #LITERALLY CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO PARTICIPATE IN FUNERAL GAMES

[kebriones]

They don't show you Achilles piercing hector's heels because they are huge cowards

#he wasn't just tied #honer describes it so you have to include it alright i don't make the rules #a yes honer #anyways typos aside they also never show the achaeans admiring hector and also kinda being scared if him #even when he's dead #and poking him #looks at troy #looks at troy fall of s city #disgraceful

[dootznbootz]

just so you know, YOU'RE 🫵 the reason i draw odysseus with very curly hair now. I imagined him with slightly curly hair before,, but now he has CURLY hair. You once mentioned how sometimes he even has perm and i haven't been the same since.

And i love it it's genuinely so much fun to draw

YEAH!!!! I love curly curly curl curly Q you do!!!!

He gets it from his mom and Ctimene has it too! It's a "Hermes descendant" thing >:D Another Hermes thing is Freckles which they all have >:D

It's mostly because of the "Hyacinths in full bloom" as WOW that's PRETTY. (part of where "Pretty boy conman" comes from)

It gets frizzy a lot and he'll often just shove it into his Pileus. (Thick curly hair needs a LOT of care. It's literally because of the "divinity" in him that it's not a constant mess) Man is kind of like Merida with curls (not color though!)

It's long too and it's where some of his brain is >:D he's like Samson where if you cut it, he loses his power. He get stupid :P

To ME, it's basically THIS but longer, and sometimes gets "poofier" depending on stuff like weater, bedhead, hathair, HELMET hair, etc. (Or straight up like Wolfy's new Art except more red/brown as I basically SCREAMED "That's it!!! It's a mane of HAIR!!! LONG AND CURLY!!!! lksdjf lkdsj " )

I think it's kind of funny/ironic for his hair to be a "mane" despite the fact that he's never described like a lion in the Iliad (from what I remember) while the other men were. He's the one that has a literal lion's mane but he's never compared to one because...personality. He's described as one in Odyssey but still!!! It's IRONY!!!! >:D Plus it's Penelope's favorite fidget/stim and Baby Telemachus' favorite thing to yank >:D

A cute little thing 🥺 I have long hair and one thing I used to do was "hide in it" from my family to play and be silly in. When Odysseus and Ctimene are really little they did the same with their parents 😭 Especially as they can "hide easier" by just flopping the giant curls over their faces. They thought they were sneaky 🥺

#Long-haired Achaeans is very important to me😤 #And homie blonde Odysseus is haunting me alongside the bobbleheads. none of us are safe. #I love how Odysseus looks soooo different depending on >:D He's never consistent from artist to artist (black or brown hair? narrow or #wide faced? etc.) it's neat!!! Man of many ways!!! #nikoisme #ask #shot by odysseus #my headcanons #Mad rambles #Odysseus is my special little guy I love him. #Telemachus' hair isn't AS poofy but still curly. It's just not “bouncing” like his dad's sometimes decides to do. #Mad character design