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asura22zoro · 2 months

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In Mako's defense, I don't think we should blame the whole love triangle fiasco solely on him

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A lot of things came into play for that triangle to happen but it just so happens that Mako's need to NOT disappoint anyone (but ending up disappointing everyone) is a huge factor.

Let me just point out that whenever Mako initiated a kiss to either Korra or Asami, it was never while he's "officially" dating the other. If anything, it was often the girls who would kiss him first while knowing he's dating the other, which they both know that it is their fault too.

In Book 1, he just simply confessed his feelings for Korra while also pointing out the fact that he couldn't act on those feelings because he's dating Asami (whom he also has feeling for but possibly not to the same degree as with Korra). But Korra kisses him anyway.

In Book 2, Asami kissed him first at her warehouse when the guy is simply cheering her up and saying he believes in her even when she doesn't believe in herself. At the time, he just broke up with Korra. Sure, it was pretty recent and he's trying to not dwell too much into that by busying himself with police work but can you blame the guy for giving up trying to put up with Korra's spitfire?

Then of course, we know what came after when Korra and Mako saw each other again and Korra's memory was wiped.

Now, notice how Asami pretty much didn't try to make a move on him again after that? Even after he and Korra broke up the second time (for good)?

I think Asami pretty much realized that Mako's too not into disappointing anyone and too emotionally awkward to pursue a relationship with again. Because not only would it be awkward but going from one girl to a other twice could ruin their dynamic as a team as well as her friendship with Korra, both of which she cherish.

So, yeah, both girls ended their romantic relationships with him. (Or in Asami's case, the possibility of it.)

And this sets up to what I like most about their relationship with each other after, especially in Book 3.

Now in Book 3 starts between three of them with Korra and Asami witnessing how Mako treats their interactions like a land mine, like any moment some hard feelings might come up, and how much he wants to avoid that from happening.

Hence why he declined Korra's offer to have him live in Air Temple Island and both ladies' help with the investigation.

What Mako doesn't realize is that there's zero to no hard feelings between the two because they pretty much had an idea that both of them made a move on him while he was dating either one of them.

Asami for sure knows that Korra kissed Mako in Book 1 and Korra probably had an idea that something happened between Asami and Mako while she was away and felt embarrassed that she kissed Mako right in front of her and everyone who knew about their break up. Probably why she laughed when Asami admitted that she DID kiss him.

Because both women knew they had feelings for Mako and that the dude also reciprocates those feelings and thought "Yeah, that was awkward but maybe we can bond over that fact instead of being at each other's throats because we're also at fault and if there's a female version of bros before hoes, Mako is that emotionally awkward hoe and we won't let his people-pleasing ways get between our vibe."

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So they both poke fun at Mako's awkwardness to loosen him up. None of that "you hurt her and you hurt me, and now you're gonna pay for it" revenge plot. I guess Mako picked up on that during their airbending performance because he wasn't uncomfortable around those two since. And I guess Mako finding out that they got away safely from the Earth Queen's airship and out of the dessert reassured him their team dynamic is still intact.

The Korra-Mako-Asami love triangle is not exactly what I would call toxic.

Fucked up? Yes. Messy? Yes. Toxic? No.

Maybe it would be toxic if, say, Mako actively pursued both women while he was in a relationship with either of them without any inhibitions or conscience to stop him from acting out his feelings for both. Like, literally cheating on them.

Instead the canon love triangle is just a clusterfrick of three developing young adults emotionally stunted by dead parent/s, becoming a parent, parental issues, and basically being sheltered for more than a decade in the middle on an icy nowhere with limited contact to the outside world.

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Ngl I chuckled at "Mako is that emotionally awkward hoe" lmao.

After reading some of the comments... people still don't get it. The point isn't that Mako is innocent, he is far from it. But so many people just pretend like the girls didn't have an active part in the drama, especially Korra. ALL three are to blame, even if we say not equally, then Asami is still the one carrying the least of it.

If the writers had given more spotlight to Mako or at least equally as much as they did to Bolin, it would've been more apparent but I think Mako's core flaw was that he was often very indecisive in anything that wasn't bending related (he was acknowledged as talented af by Amon), or keeping his brother's ass alive. We see him mostly going with the flow, which is a problem.

But in the end he without a hesitation decides that he is willing to sacrifice himself to bring Kuvira down by overloading the spirit bomb.

As for his stick in the butt. It's for a reason. He watched his parents get killed by a firebender (missed opportunity to make him conflicted about his talents as a firebender imo). He and his brother were oprhaned and became homeless and he sacrificed a lot to keep Bolin alive. They joined a gang and I would assume that he carried most weight there, since he wanted Bolin to retain more of his innocence than he did. Their life, for Mako, didn't start turning upwards until they got to leave the triads and move into the probending scene. He shielded Bolin from a LOT in those years more than likely, just to allow him to remain his cheerful self.

So basically, Mako sacrificed his own innocence so Bolin could have his. Him being less animated, more no nonsense and more serious, makes sense because he HAD TO BE to keep themselves alive.

( I edited a few parts that I disagreed with out

so people wouldn't assume I agreed with those takes

to be frank the b2 breakup was due to their mutual flaws not incompatibility neither of them were ready for a relationship with anyone. it was asami and korra who were incompatible with each other while makorra overcame those mutual flaws

I never really thought of korra and asami as becoming friends until b3 ( before you go but asami said she liked korra you dont need to be friends with someone to like themq

#lok #legend of korra #anti korrasami #mako defense squad #mako #lok mako #asami sato #lok korra

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makoxxlip · 8 months

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Korrasami's shippers think that this

"like yes, korra is literally the most powerful person in the world, but the second asami uses her angry voice, she fears for her life. ( and rightfully so )"

- is a good thing... yikes yikes. why the fuck the Avatar would be afraid of Asami 🤦‍♀️

Oh man I hate that one scene with so much passion but these people making it about " Korra only scared of her lol " is the worst like- you don't care about Korra if that's your only thought.

Literally Korra just came back from years of physical and mental health struggling, which Asami perfectly knew since she's the only one who got a letter cuz Korra felt enough comfortable for her to be her only confident, but still she got screamed at while she was just trying to help her.

While on the other hand, Korra get criticized or even hated for the hell out of it when she did the same with Mako in the beginning of b2 while it was more understandable with how much she was going through at that time. Also she was a 18 yo teenage girl with the responsibility of the world on her shoulders, not 22.

Also in that same reunion scene, Mako got mad at Korra too, but him it was bc it didn't get any news from her for years making him dead worried but still.. look how gentle he is with her without knowing her condition beforehand? And his feelings were legit (both Mako's complain and Korra's self isolation are legit btw- how they're confronting it afterwards is the only thing which can be 'judged') but still, Korra didn't replied back to him too, understanding his feelings and even actually blaming herself for making him feeling bad. While we know how these two react when they're disagreeing and are genuinely angry., but here it wasn't it. But guess who got hate for literally reacting like a caring friend? Mako.

Anyway, if that scene was just taken like that and not romanticised I wouldn't care but it's just sounds wrong how people trying to turn it out.

You prob didn't asked for a rant, but there it is hoping you wouldn't mind 🫶🏽

#lok critical #I'm a Korra stan first #human being after #I ship Korra with ppl who actually care about her #the double standard between Mako and Asami always icked me #this is makorra safe place ONLY ‼️#anti korrasami #pro mako #mako #korra #the legend of korra #pro makorra #makorra #lok #makorra 2.0 #tlok #makoxxlip asks

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the-badger-mole · 1 year

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You had said that Korrasami is a bad ship that has the same problem as Kataang.

Can you elaborate on that? Why Korra and Asami don't work as a couple?

Like Kataang, it's really one-sided. Asami is a friend to Korra, but we never see that reciprocated, and it's not like Asami hasn't been through her own mess. Also, Asami was reduced to Korra's supporter, even though she is smart, talented and powerful in her own right and deserves to have her own story play out, too. Asami really got demoted to Korra's therapist by correspondence and they called it a romance.

Aside from that, the build up just wasn't there IMO. There was a reason that Bryke had to confirm that the ending was supposed to imply a romance. I'm a firm believer that a couple shouldn't have to kiss on screen to know that they're together, and them kissing should definitely not only be the reason we know they're together (stares hard at Kataang), but there needs to be something between them that suggests as strong and deep connection, and sorry, them spending a season being pen-pals is not it.

One major reason Zutara is the most enduringly popular ship in the fandom is because the build up was there. They were mutually supportive, comforting, and even physically affectionate. Plus, the chemistry between them was palpable from season 1. If the show ended without an official ship, people would probably assume they got together later on because the connection was there. Not to mention they spent the show's emotional climax together in one of the most romantically coded sequences in children's media. Korrasami doesn't have that. Then the last season, they aren't even really sharing much screentime, and there was never any particular chemistry between them. The big romantic moment is Korra and Asami walking off into the sunset (spirit world, whatever) holding hands. As if that isn't a common platonic show of affection between friends. Female friends especially.

I think the only reason people aren't as annoyed with Korrasami is because they were the first (?) official lesbian couple in a kids' show. Which...okay, fine. I get that sometimes you have to appreciate representation when you can find it and I'm never going to tell someone they can't like Korrasami because I think it's poorly written and weak. Still, Korrasami seemed even more tacked on than Kataang and I'm pretty sure it was an attempt by Bryke to drum up interest in the show after ratings fell so low Nick didn't even bother airing it on TV.

All that being said, Korrasami doesn't piss me off nearly as much as Kataang. It's not even close. At least Korra and Asami are both grown, and Korra doesn't need Asami to play nursery maid to her. At least Asami spending so much time off screen at least implies she has her own things going on, not that Korra seems all that interested, but whatever.

#atla #anti kataang #anti korrasami #THE YEAR OF CONTENT!!!!

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shadowfiredemonwolf · 1 year

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makorra were compatible with each other (korrasami has no real compatibility without korra being ooc

the notion that makorra breaking up in b2 means they could never work is idiotic ( neither of them would have worked with anyone they broke up due to mutual flaws that led to them breaking up flaws which they overcame by book 4 ( its korra and asami who couldnt work out without korra bieng ooc in the last 2 minutes

makorra is more comparable to kataang ( and mako showed that he could support korra the way she needed it asami didnt

I have seen people try to go well mako told raiko he did the right thing the notion that he should have just went along with korras plans when the only issue was that he didnt speak up sooner ( which is his problem he holds things in too much till they get to the breaking point he should have confronted korra much sooner) you can be sympathetic to korras issue and acknowledge that korra was in the wrong trying to take another countrys military away

(mako sees korra the person asami only sees the avatar)

makorra is far more comparable to kataang then zutara ( mako has the same position in krew he supports korra like katara supported aang , etc and is the talented bender) katara and mako both had some jerk moments and their flaws acknowledged and treated as such i feel korrasami was only popular because of desire for lgbt rep and the irrational hate for mako so they shipped it to spite and punish mako for daring to have flaws which had led to asami getting hurt when mako didnt do anything that required punishment

his flaws and mistakes were acknowledged as such bryke already handling his flaws and issues the way they needed to be people over reacted due to asami getting hurt

sorry but korrasami is more comparable to zutara the popular same sex ship that was popular despite not having a basis in canon

they had to twist the most minor moments to claim evidence along with piling up headcanons to try and claim a moment its evidence

the claim that korra chose asami to help her in b3 finale when that has no basis

and korra only smiled with her father and air babies and bolin when she was in that state

or claiming korra and asami sent each other letters for years when there was only one letter sent

and it doesnt mean korra is closer to asami ( korra sent one letter to vent and put a sense of closeness ( saying that korra sent the letter to someone she isnt concerned about makes way more sense)

while mako talked about korra the person asami in remembrances went youre the avatar we need you which was a failure tenzin needed to comein and bring up korra the person and how she grew as a person

while mako supported korra the way she needed to be supported in the episode where they went to confront zaheer ( while asami did nothing ) which adds to the list of many reasons korrasami was a last minute retcon. censors wouldnt have prevented them from interacting or bonding or showing a close relationship in anyway

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Anonymous asked: you said that korra’s dialogue implied she sent asami only 1 letter could you make a post that shows the dialogue/script for it so I can see that

It’s not directly stated, but I think reading between the lines of the letter itself and Korra’s explanation of it makes it seem unlikely that she sent more than one:

“Dear Asami, I’m sorry I haven’t written to you sooner, but every time I’ve tried, I never know what to say. The past two years have been the hardest of my life. Even though I can get around fine now, I still can’t go into the Avatar State. I keep having visions of Zaheer and what happened that day. Katara thinks a lot of this is in my head, so I’ve been meditating a lot, but sometimes I worry I’ll never fully recover. Please don’t tell Mako and Bolin I wrote to you and not them. I don’t want to hurt their feelings, but it’s easier to tell you about this stuff. I don’t think they’d understand.”

The thing to note here is that Korra feels guilty about not writing to Mako and Bolin and says she doesn’t want to hurt their feelings, but seems to feel the need to tell someone about her fears. Considering the circumstances, continuing to write to Asami in spite of that guilt doesn’t make much sense.

She doesn’t really offer any room for a back-and-forth discussion in her letter, in any case — she’s treating it as a confessional rather than as an opportunity to talk. It seems more like she’s trying to explain why she hasn’t been able to respond than opening a conversation.

The other part of it is this:

“I wrote to Asami while I was away. I asked her not to tell you. I’m sorry.”

I feel like, if Korra wanted to keep up a continuous conversation with Asami, the request not to tell Mako and Bolin about it would have been phrased differently (“Please don’t tell Mako and Bolin I’m writing to you and not them” rather than “I wrote”) as would the explanation (“I sent letters to Asami while I was away”).

Instead, “wrote” is in the past tense in both cases, instead of something less ambiguously repetitive, and the second one mirrors the first, which is clearly only talking about the present letter.

It’s also important to remember that there isn’t much time for her to keep up a conversation even if she wanted to do so — she went off the grid within a few months of the letter, and international mail isn’t exactly instant.

“What irks me is that it’s obvious makorra was the planned ending. there is too much build up to deny it. it’s like bryke paved a road for that ending and swerved at the last second to end with korrasami. I don’t see representation. I see sloppy writing and pandering.fantastic-nonsense answered:Honestly, based on the way the narrative seemed to be heading, I was fully expecing Korra to remain single with the possibility of rekindling the Makorra relationship (as mature adults who have retained their love for each other but have grown, are more levelheaded, and are able to deal with conflicting responsibilites) in the future. But I will agree: a grand total of six interactions post-“Long Live the Queen,” only one of which is truly non-ambiguously romantic (the finale scene), does not proper relationship build-up make. “

shippers try to claim they couldnt show more because of censors but censorship but as fantastic-nonsense put it

“Censorship explains why we couldn’t get a kiss and an “I love you” in the finale or blatant romantic scenes, not the utter lack of Korra-Asami interaction as a whole. They had six (to six and a half) minutes of interaction in the last season, spread out over six interactions/conversations. They’ve had nearly no on-screen interaction since “Long Live the Queen,” actually. They had the 5 second “I can come to the South Pole” convo in “Korra Alone” (which Korra refused), the single letter, their interactions in “Reunions,” and then the tea scene in “Remembrances.” After that, they don’t speak again until the last two minutes of the finale. The episode after “Remembrances” is the Korra-Mako field trip to the Spirit Wilds and Zaheer’s prison and the culmination of Korra’s recovery arc. Where was Asami? She had two lines in the whole episode, and they were both to Varrick.”

the difference is that bryke broke the narrative to force korrasami in at the last minute

and zutara got actual moments and interactions which would say that they are close to one another

( to be frank toph x katara makes more sense then korrasami

korrasami being the only same sex ship in lok doesnt mean you are homophobic or dont care about the lgbt community if you dont ship it or say it shouldnt have happened good writing is more important then representation

good writing and not having a forced ship where you throw away narrative and two characters make no sense to be with each other is more important then filling a quota or publicity stunt. its more important then the genders involved ina ship

if they wanted to have a show with a same sex ship then make another show with a same sex ship canon with actual buildup etc

like say given that they are making another avatar series they could have not done korrasami and waited for the next avatar series to have a avatar in a same sex ship which would have actual buildup

anyone who trys to go there are tons of shows with a het ship being canon are the people who ship something based on the genders involved not the people criticizing korrasami if they try to go but there are tons of shows with het ships being canon as if its relevant to legend of korra they have no place to complain about queerbaiting or say a het ship is forced.

people arent mad that a het ship didnt become canon they are mad because korrasami was a forced last minute retcon there not being canon it being a same sex ship is irrelevant

people would have shipped makorra even if asami was a guy ( or if korra was a guy korrasami where korra was a guy would be generi pairing mc with a bland love interest with no screentime)

the idea that because there are tons of shows with the het ship becoming canon instead of the same sex ship becoming canon means we should okay korrasami since there arent any canon same sex ships in lok besides that or its the first etc is idiotic whats the most important is the characters themselves the writing ofthe story whether or not there is buildup whether the characters makes sense etc

a character or ship whose gay deserves criticism or love or support based on its own merits

there are plenty of lgbt people who say korrasami is forced

a same sex ship is just as viable to criticsim as a het ship thats equality

labelling anyone a homophobe/het lenses for saying otherwise makes a joke of the term

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Anonymous asked: Why do you think Bryke chose Mako as the one to accompany Korra to Zaheer's prison - which was arguably the most climatic scene in tying up her Book 4 character arc - instead of somebody else? For such an emotion heavy point in the story I feel that they had to have made some conscious thought on who would accompany her. It could have been Asami, or even Bolin. Do you believe that they saw something that Mako offered more to her arc than the others did? I'd love to hear your opinion!

Because Korra’s relationship with Mako is the only one she had that offered her the sort of support that she needed in that situation.

None of Korra’s other friends or mentors has as much trust and faith in Korra as Mako does. Asami’s support is a bit too insistent and she worries a bit too much for her to have done what Mako did and stepped back when Korra asked. Bolin is… Bolin. He’s good at cheering people up, but he’s not the one to rely on when humor isn’t called for. Even Tenzin couldn’t have taken Mako’s role, because he’d let Korra’s long recovery get to him.

Mako, in contrast, was able to let go when Korra needed him to do so. Korra needed to confront Zaheer on her own, and she needed to do so without having to talk her moral support down from coming in with her. Mako was the only one who could fill that role.

Anonymous asked: About Korra's letter to Asami and whether or not it's about Asami meaning more to Korra than anyone else: when I lost someone I cared about years ago, one of the first people I told about it was somebody who was a good friend but not one of my closest ones. This person had also lost someone and dealt with it strongly, especially for someone her age, and I knew she would understand without getting too gushy about it. It wasn't about who I "cared about more" and it definitely wasn't romantic!

Thank you for sharing your own experiences.

It makes a lot of sense, doesn’t it? If you’re dealing with something difficult and uncomfortable, talking to someone who understands (or seems likely to understand) the specific situation does a lot more good than talking to whoever you feel closest to and hoping they’ll respond in a way that actually helps.

Just because you’re closer to/romantically interested in someone doesn’t mean they’re going to be the one with all the answers. As such, the idea that going to one particular friend for answers about something very difficult implies closeness or romantic interest just… doesn’t really comport with reality. =/

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orangepanic · 2 years

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I wish there was more Makorra.

Not because it’s my ship or anything; just because I get angry when I hear people saying they “can’t” ship it or create content for something they like for fear of being yelled at or called homophobic. The need to preface the work with “I really love Korrasami but” or “Korrasami is also great and” as if creators feel that the very act of exploring a different pairing - especially a canon pairing - automatically makes them a terrible person. It’s sad, stifling, and undermines the very diversity that queer ships like Korrasami help to promote. If Makorra authors also love other ships, great! Multi-ship party! I personally ship Korra with half a dozen partners and love to see the variety. But it’s sad how often love of Korrasami is treated as necessary. Bizarrely, I even see this with other Korra wlw ships. It’s specifically Korrasami that’s the fandom requirement.

But Makorra doesn’t make Korra any less bi. Neither does the idea that Korrasami breaks up post-canon for perfectly normal hey-we’re-22 reasons or that Korra one day wants someone else, be it Mako or Kuvira or Wan or an OC or Prince Wu or Lin Beifong or Sonic the Hedgehog (yes Korra x Sonic is a real fic). Or even AUs where she and Asami in particular never had a spark. She’s still canon bi. Bi women can date, or even marry, men as well as women. Unless an author is writing “and Korra walked into the bar and thought, ‘wow, I sure do hate ladies’” it’s implied that she’s bi, the same way we know what she looks like or anything else. That pre-knowledge of a character by the audience is one of the joys of fanfic. And stapling Korra to a single pairing in the name of representation is a disservice to both her and the fandom, and the complexity and diversity of queer relationships.

Anyway that’s today’s rant. You don’t have to like Makorra or any other ship. But neither does anyone else.

#Makorra #anti korrasami #not really but I’m fine with people blocking the tags #just annoyed #I’m probably going to regret this but oh well #seriously bi means both not “Asami-sexual

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novaae · 4 months

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me if i see anyone making fun of mako today

#he alone in s1 has more character than asa/mi does in 4 whole seasons #anti korrasami #lok fandom salt #my post

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captaindarksword · 9 months

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I have to be frank the whole how could you be against korrasami its the only same sex ship in lok or the first canon same sex ship involving mc’s kind of shows to me that they understand on a deep level that korrasami was badly written that it had no buildup.

since they have to rely on the uniqueness ( the fact there wasnt a same sex ship involving a mc before)

to try and deflect criticism . when the fact its the only canon same sex ship in lok and the first canon same sex ship involving mc is irrelevant for its a forced ship that shouldnt have happened .

If i were to make one wish to change lok it would be the last minute retcon korrasami didnt happen because the fact that its the first canon same sex ship involving mc should not be the reason why people support it.

korra nd asami were barely friends they barely interacted with each other censorship doesnt explain what happened with them. and korrasami shippers just took any positive interaction between them and claimed it was evidence and they take any moment and over play/hype/exaggerate along with infusing headcanons as if they were fact.

1. I recall someone claiming that korra chose asami to help her in b3 when nothing shows that

2. they claimed that korra sent asami multiple letters when its implied its only one letter

3/ they pretend that korra sending asami a letter (she wouldnt have read the letter asami sent back so it would be more like korra venting in a letter which is easier to do then talking one to one .(from experience ) ) means asami is closer to her than the others when it doesnt . people can say stuff to someone they arent as close to because they felt that they would understand better saw an example of this from an anon on a different post, or they didnt

4. asami has never shown the ability to support korra the way she needed to tenzin and mako have heck in remembrances asami the one moment we had to see her try and support korra she failed she went youre the avatar of course we need you while tenzin succeded by bringing up korra as a person and mako got a whole speech about how he feels about korra the person. and cares about korra who she is and wouldnt bring up korra being the avatar as why he needs korra.

and mako supported korra the way she needed to when she went off to confront zaheer and given their personalities mako would be the only one who would have done this

6. korra and asami barely interacted in b4 censorship doesnt explain that

7. people try to go if it was a het ship you would see it when no , if korra/asami was a guy no one would ship korrasami, while people wouldship makorra even if one of them were genderbent.

8. on the blush that isnt romantic evidence she blushed at bolin complimenting her as well and she didnt have romantic feelings for him ( she was just in a sad/negative state

at best you could say maybe male asami hada crush on korra ( since with friendships between men and women dont really include compliments while two girls being friends can compliment each others appearance without it being romantic. while if two guys did that people would make gay jokes while two girls complimenting each others looks is considered normal.

( guys tend to avoid being too intimate/close with their guy friends do to not wanting to be seen as gay

while two girls being friends dont have this problem

alot of people ignore that to just go if one of them was gender swapped

“You can’t just port the actions of a female character over to her Rule 63 equivalent without alteration and expect it to mean anything. Male!Asami never would have been helping Korra get dressed in the first place, and he probably wouldn’t have gotten a letter, either. And portraying platonic male-female friendships without romantic undertones is a ridiculous tightwalk that doesn’t allow for compliments about appearance in the way female-female friendships do.

You can’t just port the actions of a female character over to her Rule 63 equivalent without alteration and expect it to mean anything. Male!Asami never would have been helping Korra get dressed in the first place, and he probably wouldn’t have gotten a letter, either. And portraying platonic male-female friendships without romantic undertones is a ridiculous tightwalk that doesn’t allow for compliments about appearance in the way female-female friendships do.

Build up requires, you know, building up. Korra and Asami only had personal conversations in eight episodes out of the 26 that made up Books 3 and 4, and their amount of direct conversation tanked between the two Books, with Book 3’s five direct plot-related conversations dropping to zero in Book 4. Since episodes with group conversations held steady at two, that means that episodes with any conversations between the two at all dropped from 11 to 6. That’s… basically the opposite of buildup. (And, for reference, Book 1 had nine episodes that dealt with Mako and Korra’s relationship directly, which is more than Korra and Asami had in both Books 3 and 4.)

If the show wanted to portray Asami as Korra’s closest friend and confidant, it should have found a way to make it seem like Korra actually valued Asami as such instead of just having her react to Asami pushing to do stuff or help her in almost every instance. =P Male!Asami would have probably read as a pushy Nice Guy if things played out the same way.

K/A wasn’t intended to salvage the show, no (and Bryke didn’t seem to want to continue past Book 4 anyway). Given Bryan’s post, it’s far more likely that it was intended to salvage Bryke’s conscience.

Shippers base speculation on ridiculously limited evidence regardless of gender, particularly when the characters involved are attractive. That doesn’t mean that shows actually expect their viewers to see something like Kuvira and Tonraq looking at each other as romantic. =P

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9. to be frank if asami was a guy I doubt male asami would be the one to help korra get dressed given their lacking relationship

( dont give me but korrasami was more popular as an argument to it having evidence or being planned zutara was more popular then kataang.)

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#anti korrasami #lok

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hotgirlkorra · 1 month

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Why do Korrasami shippers always throw Korra under the bus. Korra is NOT a dumbass.

#legend of korra #god these shippers #i think this needs to go under #anti-korrasami #korra #korrasami shippers dni #if u plan on arguing w/ me don't bother

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sapphic-agent · 21 days

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"If I was surprised at anything, it may have been that it seemed like people were less willing to let her make mistakes than they were with Aang."

I hate Bryke's guts, but the one thing I will agree with him (Bryan) on is this.

I've gotten heat from Aang stans for saying this, but for me Korra will always be a better written character for me. Not because Aang's childish and optimistic and naive or anything like that. That doesn't matter to me. Hell, it's not even for his actions during DOBS or EIP or Kataang. Sure, those things aren't great, but they aren't the issue with his character.

It's not about Aang's actions, it's about how Aang's actions are treated by the narrative.

This is nothing new obviously, I've said this before. Many times. Aang kissing Katara in EIP is treated as him messing up his chances with her, not because he forced something on her she didn't want. The kiss in DOBS doesn't even come up again in the show (and when it did in the comics, Aang blew up and nearly melted her face off so-). I've spoken enough about his holier-than-thou attitude in TSR too and how his message of forgiveness is perpetuated as the right one.

It's one thing that is 100% better in LOK; Korra is held accountable for her actions, by the narrative, the other characters, and herself. A big part of LOK is Korra acknowledging her actions and making the effort to change and be better.

A great counter to Aang repeatedly crossing boundaries with Katara is in Reunion when she warns Asami about trusting Hiroshi and Asami calls her out on giving unsolicited advice. Korra immediately backs off and tries to apologize when she sees that she upset her.

Now compare this to Aang's behavior in TSR or EIP.

And before anyone says it, I know Korra's older. I also know Asami reconnecting with her father is different than Katara wanting to kill Yon Rha. I get all of that.

But honestly? That doesn't matter to me. Because when you're talking about fictional characters- especially character progression and development for the protagonist- addressing flaws is important. Accountability is important. Especially when it comes to how they treat the people around them (love interests like Asami and Korra probably being the most important).

This is what solidifies Korra's character development as being better than Aang's for me.

However, I do think it's because of this framing (and the fact that she's a woman, but shh) that Korra gets more hate. Her flaws being addressed also means that they're constantly apparent. The audience is always aware of them. Whereas Aang's worse actions tended to be brushed over or excused. Or the context of those mistakes were maneuvered to make the audience feel bad for him instead of the one affected by his actions (EIP EIP EIP EIP).

So yes, Bryan, people were more willing to let Aang make mistakes because you and your bestie failed to actually address them

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grayluforever · 9 months

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As far is how bad the ending of the legend of korra was at least some people who weren't fans of the Korrasami ship who can agree that the ship felt very forced and pretty weird that it became canon off-screen and for the fans who thought it was best if the girls broke up. and not to mention how cringe inducing and annoying it was with all the Korrasami stuff in the comics.

#anti korrasami #anti bryke #legend of korra

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asura22zoro · 1 month

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why I would prefer a lok remake ( obviously ending with makorra back together or a hint to it ) while the love triangle stays the same rather then go the asami the equalist spy route

it would feel like I am vilifying asami giving her the Ron the death eater treatment because of the irrational hate for mako alongside feeling like I am coming down to the people who had an irrational hate for mako daring to be flawed in a way that cant be romanticized away to the point they gave him the Ron the death eater treatment ( outright lying about him twisting his words or trying to portray him as a womanizer or cheater or whining if anything good happened to him ( like becoming a police officer claiming it makes him a Gary stu or putting him through standards they don't put any other character to) when he was just an emotionally immature teenager who messed up a messy situation his flaws were always acknowledged and treated as such he didn't need a punishment at b1 (I even saw some ridiculous people try to equate him to yues fiance.

when mako repeatedly showed to care about asami sato and genuinely like asami ( he just had stronger feelings for Korra) but he also felt security with asami sato or trying to claim he was in the wrong to tell raiko about what korra's was doing (it would be neat for a lok remake with b4 kuvira its implied that kuvira had a moment /;plot in the past which was to her what Korra doing what she did with the fleet was to her but she didn't have a mako ( someone close to her that called her out) Korra and mako both had issues that led to the b2 breakup they weren't ready for a relationship with anyone

mako gets a lot of bullshit from the fandom where they twist/lie about his character to bash him ( it reminds me of someone claiming someone only apologized due to being surrounded by classmates ignoring that there was panels showing him thinking about it )

like trying to equate him to yue's fiance who didn't care about him or only cared about her looks etc which is nonsense

or tried to claim him telling raiko about korra's plot was akin to that one guy telling about the party ( its not) mako was in the right and in a full lo

claiming mako was a Gary stu for ending b1 happy or becoming a police officer and looking to be a detective is worse then someone claiming katara was a Mary Sue for being a master water bender)

I mean seriously their logic was just something good happens to mako = creators pet/Gary stu when it doesn't.

seriously you cant give me the but there are people older then him in the police force argument when there were people training as water benders longer then katara was and this is a cartoon show.

(speaking of which did you know that there were people calling Korra a Mary Sue for some reason )

they even twisted mako's words to claim he called asami a leech he obviously used a figure of speech ( their equivalent to rip off a bandaid but because its mako they twist it to their worst possible idea because they cant stand that he mishandled a love triangle its a minor mistake

zuko's actions were worse

you cant give me but he was the antagonist excuse for mako's mistakes weren't worthy to be an antagonist his mistakes were that of a main character

even katara made mistakes or said rude things. its like they are wearing hate goggles when it comes to him

so I would keep the love triangle and asami as is

#lok #mako defense squad #atla mako #avatar the legend of aang #anti korrasami #lok remake #lok mako #mako #venting post

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